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23506108 No.23506108 [Reply] [Original]

Pick a movie/director/tv series and pair them with a writer that exemplifies their work.
I’ll start with an easy one. Bergman and Kierkegaard.

>> No.23506112

Shakespeare and Kurosawa

>> No.23506129

>>23506108
Holy fuck great fucking taste bro

Goddard and Sartre

>> No.23506142
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23506142

James Cameron and the entire western canon

>> No.23506152

>>23506108
This is a fucking gay ass post and will not spawn any worthwhile discussion. This is essentially the same as a "book for this feel" thread where nobody actually interacts w/ anybody else posts except to tell them if they're pleb/patrish.

>> No.23506175

the thin red line and the man who was thursday
not the same mood though but the same mood at the end atleast

>>23506129
>>23506108
faggots

kierkeegard is also just more malick movies bergman was a fag

>> No.23506187

>>23506108
Tarantino and Henry James

>> No.23506201
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I thought Wild Strawberries by Bergman was heavily influenced A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, only without the Christmas

>> No.23506206

Malick and Heidegger

>> No.23506219

>>23506175
>T. A huge faggot who lacks taste

>> No.23506222

>>23506108
Heidegger and Tarkovsky

>> No.23506223
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23506223

Barney/Mailer

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>>23506108
Though on the face that's a terrible pairing, it does work somehow. Bergman's views aren't compatible with my own, but he was a talented director. I want to see what his theatre is like.

I could have fun making lots of pairs, but I'll limit myself to this one:

Kaneto Shindo and Aeschylus

>>23506112
Too obvious, be creative.

>>23506129
I forgot to watch Goddard (I thought I had, just realized I haven't). What should I start with?

>>23506142
Pretentious.

>>23506201
So, sans everything essential.

>> No.23506264

>>23506223
Looks interesting. I've never heard of it. If I like Sorrentino, Bunuel, and Fellini, would I like this?

>> No.23506274

>>23506108
>>23506152
Yeah this is childish nonsense

>> No.23506279

>>23506264
Barney is a hack. Check out instead:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Ruiz_(director)

>> No.23506285

>>23506108
Bergman wouldn't be intelligent enough to be inspired by Kierkegaard. He was undoubtedly skilled, but his best movies, or scenes, are those in which he holds the subject aloof from himself, in which he is a real artist depicting a subject. However, 99% of his movies are just the neurotic vomit he has projected over the screen, without a second thought if the viewer might not be scared of the particular monster under the bed (which changes with every movie) that he is.

It is frankly insulting to Kierkegaard to equivalate him with Bergman. Kierkegaard was a genuine Christian, Bergman, at best, just used Christianity as an outlet for his gay human dramas.

>> No.23506286

>>23506274
>t. plebs who can't contribute

>> No.23506288

>>23506235
>Kaneto Shindo and Aeschylus
Interesting, but Shindo's not quite primal enough to be an Aeschylus.

>> No.23506290

>>23506279
Specifically, the films The Hypothesis of the Stolen Painting, Three Crowns of the Sailor and City of Pirates.

>> No.23506299

>>23506285
Bergman is decisively not a Christian. He was rebelling against the Christianity of his parents. He exemplifies the atheist existentialism brought about by the World Wars, but that isn't the point. It is their perpendicularity which makes it a nice pairing. Nta, however.

>> No.23506302

>>23506288
He so is. Onibaba is one of the most primal films I've ever seen and its rife with Greek references. Name a better character than Clytemnestra to correlate to the onibaba.

>> No.23506318

>>23506235
I agree that Bergman is a bit wet thematically but he is a very good writer and director. Probably from his background in theater, like you mention.

He is able to explore profound philosophical ideas very efficiently, both in terms of resources and screen-time (most of his films are very low budget and only run 90 minutes), which is something I feel is missing from a lot of modern cinema which is much more cinema-centric rather than dramatic/theatrical.

Also the narrative A Christmas Carol doesn't actually have much do with Christmas really, other than its set during that time and its appeal to a generic "Christmas spirit". It's like Die Hard or Home Alone in that regard.

>> No.23506322

>>23506318
I agree with you about Bergman, but you're dead wrong about A Christmas Carol.

>> No.23506383

>>23506108
Kubrick and Clarke.

>> No.23506388

>>23506302
>Name a better character than Clytemnestra to correlate to the onibaba.
Clytemnestra wasn't some embodiment of female morality and jealousy. She was avenging herself based on her right as a mother. And Onibaba TRIES to be primal, it partially succeeds, but it also still bears the traces of the attempt. And philosophically it's worlds apart from Aeschylus. Something like Gance's Napoleon is closer.

>> No.23506390

>>23506235
Start with Pierro le fou

>> No.23506397

>>23506388
>female mortality and jealousy
So exactly what the old woman in Onibaba is, gotcha. Lol. Not only that, the entire point of Onibaba IS the primal nature of humanity and man and woman. Your criticism is empty.

>> No.23506399

>>23506390
Will do.

>> No.23506404

>>23506108
Franco Piavoli and Marcel Proust

I chose Proust instead of the more obvious Homer because the themes of time, nostalgia and changing identity are better exemplified in Proust even if Nostos is influenced by Odyssey Book 23.

>> No.23506989

bump

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>>23506108
>Lit mashup

>> No.23507982

>>23506108
Tarkovsky - Dostoevsky
Herzog - Schopenhauer or Nietzsche

>> No.23508651

>>23506108
David Lynch and Fernando Pessoa.
I see it.

>> No.23508695

Celine and me (yes, I am writing an ambitious screenplay based on Journey to the End of the Night, why do you ask?)

>> No.23508708

Zack Snyder and Homer
Zack Snyder and Ayn Rand

>> No.23508718

>>23506223
to me ballard and barney are spiritually closer together
love to see river of fundament posted though

>> No.23508727 [DELETED] 

>>23506108
William Luther Pierce and Mel Gibson

>> No.23508739

>>23506264
nta you asked but ubu archive has some barney films you can check out if you are curious and dont want to sink hours into cremaster or river of fundament. worth a shot if you want something grandios and visceral
>>23506279
what do you mean he is a hack? explain a little anon

>> No.23508745

>>23506108
true detective season 2 and james ellroy

>> No.23509337

>>23506108
What does Bergman have to do with Kierkegaard? The former was an atheist, while the latter was a devout Christian.

>> No.23510016

Bergman became an atheist at some point in the early 60s, prior to that he struggled with faith, as often reflected in his films, most clearly in Seventh Seal, the story of the Knight's tortured search for faith. It is very likely that the Knight's confession to Death, whom he supposes is a priest, is close to Bergman's own feelings, at that time, about God.

>What is going to happen to those of us who want to believe, but aren’t able to? ...Why can’t I kill God within me? Why does He live on in this painful and humiliating way even though I curse Him and want to tear Him out of my heart? Why, in spite of everything, is He a baffling reality that I can’t shake off?

And the Knight's quest for God is arguably successful. He has a final, peaceful meal with the happy Christian couple Mia and Jons.

>I'll carry this memory between my hands as carefully as if it were a bowl filled to the brim with fresh milk.
>And it will be an adequate sign -- it will be enough for me.

Now, this can fairly be compared to Kierkegaard, or at least it is so argued here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B_D0efnj7E

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>>23506235
For Goddard I would recommend 'Breathless' or 'Band of Outsiders.'
They're a couple of his most accessible films, especially for non-French speakers.

>> No.23510603

>>23506108
The Holy Mountain and Karl Marx

I’m not good at this…

>> No.23512439

>>23508739
bump because i want to discuss barney

>> No.23513417

>>23506129
>Sartre
No

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>>23506108
Resnais-proust

>> No.23513632

Cioran and Lars von trier

>> No.23513904

>>23506108
>Bergman and Kierkegaard
trash comparison

>> No.23514692

>>23513632
I'm surprised it took so long for von Trier to get mentioned. I'm a sort of not-a-fan fan of him. I've seen many of his movies several times a piece, but I think he fails miserably at everything he tries to do. What I do like about him is that he always always actually has something to say. Whether its worth saying or he manages to get it out effectively is another matter.

>> No.23514712

alejandro jodorowsky & william s. burroughs

>> No.23514895

>>23514692
Watch the idiots. His magnum opus.

>> No.23514950

>>23506129
>Sartre
vomit-inducing sovl-less slop

>> No.23515518

>>23514950
Filtered. Too easy.

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>>23506108
Luc Besson et Christin & Mézières.

additional note: it's not even a joke.

>> No.23515936

Malick and Hegel