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>> No.23494525
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King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

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23494527

Repeating my question:
I'm thinking of reading some less-talked about Wolfe, The Devil in the Forest and Free Live Free
Any thoughts?

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>that torture scene
Yyyeah, that's gonna stick with me.

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>>23494519
Read Radix. Howlie.

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recommend a fantasy series with a strong female mc that has to disguise herself in a skimpy outfit to sneak into the bad guy's lair.

>> No.23494665
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23494665

What are some SFF stories about BIG boobs? (that aren't Malazan)

>> No.23494668

only 400 pages to go... surely The Shadow Rising will have more Rand chapters...

>> No.23494801

>>23494668
>he doesn't know

>> No.23494812

>>23494519
i haven't read for years i was thinking of getting back into literature by reading Brandon Sanderson as reddit advised what do you guys think?

>> No.23494817

>>23494812
i got back into reading again recently and thought the expanse was easier to get into than stormlight

>> No.23494831

>>23494812
Maybe you could be the one guy who actually reads The Frugal Wizard's Guide to Surviving Medieval England

>> No.23494841

>>23494812
Try Belgariad instead.

>> No.23494858

>>23494812
>>23494841
Or Dragonriders of Pern, that's something Sanderson says inspired him

>> No.23494868

>>23494812
>>23494817
>>23494831
>>23494841
thanks idk about sf and the frugal wizard seems too silly for me but the belgariad one seems nice it's not too short not too long , finished and has nice score on goodreads maybe i'll try it

>> No.23494909

>>23494868
Belgariad and Malloreon are 5 books a piece.
You can get trade paperback compilations from Barnes and Noble that condense the 5 books into 2, or all 10 into 4 books total. That may seem dense, but each book is only about 200 pages and they're very fast-paced with next to no filler, so they're very easy reads. The big problem with Belgariad is the horrific proper nouns, most of which are The Eye of Argon tier, or worse. The character and place names, with few exceptions, range from unpronounceable gibberish to rejects from Flash Gordon scripts.

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don't usually like stuff which tries to be funny but i read this and enjoyed it a lot. sequel was ok but didn't really capture the same vibe and went too hard with the references

>> No.23494988

>>23494527
both great. Devil in the Forest has a cormac mcarthy-like character if interested in that

>> No.23494992

>>23494988
>both great
I'm beginning to see a pattern with Wolfe

>> No.23495000

>>23494992
He has never disappointed me. Check out Wolfe Archipelago too.

>> No.23495008

>>23495000
>Death of the Island Doctor
>The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories
>The Death of Dr. Island
>The Doctor of Death Island
LMAO at these titles

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>Go to Indigo book store in leafland
>The bestsellers table is filled with nothing but manga's and not a single novel in sight
Is it the same story over the border in Barnes and Nobles?

>> No.23495046

>>23495014
basically

>> No.23495049

>>23495014
No, B&N's is still like 90% books. Manga section has grown a lot over the years, but it's mainly taken away from western comics / graphic novels, not fiction. My local B&N moved locations a couple years ago (just across the street) so they took the chance to redesign the store in the new building and the result was the manga section now occupies half of one side of the entire building, plus some tables in front of the shelves. Previously it was a motley collection of shelves near the middle of the store.

The fantasy and sci-fi section expanded also, though it definitely slants way more toward fantasy now than sci-fi, since GoT made fantasy overall popular again. I do try to patronize B&N when I can, but it's expensive anymore and they have a pretty limited selection of authors since they tend to only carry whatever is new or else enduringly popular.

>> No.23495097

>>23495049
There's also the fact that there are countless SFF authors (as well as of course other genres) that are out of print and therefore unsuitable for stocking in the first place. There's not exactly a huge demand for a new edition of, say, Gordon R. Dickson's Dragon Knight series, or The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester. That forces you to use private sellers via amazon to get used copies or independently published print-on-demands.

>> No.23495128

>>23495008
>The Lisland of doctor death was nominated for the Nebula award, and the award presenter at the ceremony, Isaac Asimov, incorrectly called him out as the winner. Once the applause and congratulations had died down, Asimov was corrected, and no award was given for best short story that year, much to his embarrassment, and probably Wolfe's as well. Apparently he recommended to Wolfe, and a little tongue in cheek, that he write THE DEATH OF DOCTOR ISLAND next, and he was sure to win because of the mishap. Of course Wolfe did just that, possibly thinking that Asimov wasn't serious and didn't think that it could really be done.
Wolfe likes to have fun

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The official Mom Protagonist SFF List.
I apologize for the lengthy (ie autistic) list. I may update it later.
>Caught in Crystal (1987) by Patricia Wrede
>The Interior Life (1990) by Katherine Blake
>Raven's Duology (2004-2005) by Patricia Briggs
>Wolfblade Trilogy (2004-2005) by Jennifer Fallon
>Bridge of D'Arnath (2004-2005) by Carol Berg
>The World Gates Trilogy (2004-2005) By Holly Lisle, Arhel trilogy and Minerva Wakes too
>Dragonsbane (1985) by Barbara Hambly
>Paladin of Souls and Vorkosigan saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>Sunrunner Saga (1988-1993) by Melanie Rawn. Mommy Sioned best yandere girl
>The Empire Trilogy (1987-1992) by Janny Wurts
>Liveship Traders (1998-200) by Robin Hobb
>Birthgrave (1975-1978) by Tanith Lee
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
>Karavans Trilogy (2006-2012) by Jennifer Roberson
>Skinwalkers (2014) by Wendy N. Wagner, ex-pirate Axe wielding mom!
>Frostfell (2006) by Mark Sehestedt
>Legacy of Steel (1998) by Mary H. Herbert
>The Traitor Spy Trilogy (2010-2012) by Trudi Canavan
>Sevenwaters Trilogy (1999-2001) by Juliet Marillier
>Blood songs (1987) by Robin Wayne Bailey
>Bloodsong Trilogy (1985-1986) by Asa Drake
>Gypsies (1988) by Robert Charles Wilson
>Child of Time (1991) by Robert Silverberg
>The Wayfarer Redemption (1995-1999) by Sara Douglass
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld (1974) by Patricia A. McKillip
>The Keys to Paradise Trilogy (1987-1988) by Robert Vardeman, trio of mcs all of the same importance, veterans of the Trans-War that ravaged the country, one of them is a cat-girl who saves a slave kid and adopts him
>Bitter Angels (2009) by C.L Anderson
>The Great Wheel (1987) by Joyce Ballou Gregorian
>Daughter of the Bear King (1987) by Eleanor Arnason
>Night-Threads series by Ru Emerson, portal fantasy about a druggie mom, her sister and her teenage son.
>Frostflower adn Thorn (1980) Phyllis Ann Karr
>Fifth Millenium by S.M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, and Karen Wehrstein
>Spellsong Cycle (1997-2002) by L.E. Modesitt Jr
>The Sword of Lyric by Sharon Hinck, christian portal fantasy about a soccer mom and her son fighting against Not-Satan
>Cradle of Sea and Soill (2020) by Bernie Anes Paz
>Boneshaker (2009) Cherie Priest
>The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson, absolute grimdark kino but like most of Donaldson's work it has a happy ending, the main characters just have to go through hell to get it.
>Dragon Gate by Lindsay Buroker, a six book epic about a Mother-son duo
>Memories of Ice (2001 Book 3 of Malazan Book of the Fallen) by Steven Erikson
>To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987) by Robert Heinlein
>The War Eternal by Rob J Hayes
>Black Jewels by Anne Bishop
I'm open to any suggestions for SFF books with mom mc
And Kate Elliott's new Mom protagonist book the Keeper's Six.
BakkerWolfeVance is king etc.

>> No.23495229

>>23495186
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
Take this vile trash off the list, it is NOT Mommy-Core.

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>>23494519
Other than the Locked Tomb books and the Abhorsen series, what are some fantasy works with particularly novel takes on necromancy?

>> No.23495318

>>23494812
>Brandon Sanderson
You will probably like him if you enjoyed Naruto.

>> No.23495329

>>23495318
pre or post timeskip?

>> No.23495334

>>23495329
Boruto tier.

>> No.23495335

>>23495289
Necroscope

>> No.23495343
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>people unironically reading Sanderson after this
...

>> No.23495349

>>23495343
filtered.

>> No.23495364

>>23495343
I stopped on the second book once I realised the entire book is going to be about the worst character.

>> No.23495372
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>He read Sanderson past the 2nd prologue

>> No.23495396

>>23495372
>>23495343
I simply can't get angry at normalfag literature. It's not for me, but it doesn't piss me off like midwit pseud authors, I'm just indifferent to it so I don't find any reason to discuss it at all, let alone spend valuable time hating it when there's so many other better things to hate.

>> No.23495399

>>23495343
God, that book was garbage.

>> No.23495433
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23495433

Why does every single conversation ends up with this one book being recommended?

>> No.23495457

>>23495433
Because it's part of /sffg/'s cannon unironically

>> No.23495484

Can anyone recommend me some sci-fi or fiction with an important 'forbidden/impossible romance' (sub-)plot.

>> No.23495487
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>>23495433
It is the ultimate flytrap for edgelord internet pseudointellectuals. Nothing strokes the ego of a chinless foreveralone shut-in like Bakker, barring perhaps other misanthropic closeted homos like Nietzsche and Schopenhauer.

>> No.23495532

>>23495433
It's just a very good series.

>> No.23495538

>>23495484
Almost literally any story about King Arthur, ancient or modern; between Arthur fucking his sister, Lancelot (or Bedevere) fucking Arthur's wife, and Gawain fucking every female creature (not necessarily human - or alive) between the age of 12 and 12,000, there's lots of forbidden love there.

The adventure novels of H. Rider Haggard, such as King Solomon's Mines and She, invariably tend to feature a doomed romance between a white hero and a woman of the wrong skin color or magical ancestry.

The principal relationship in the Changespell series by Doranna Durgin I shill occasionally is that of a female horse (Dun Lady's Jess) transformed into a human woman by a spell gone awry has to face human feelings of love generated for the man that rode her as a courier (Carey).

Wayne Barlowe's "God's Demon" series (as yet unfinished) features a romance between Sargatanas, a fallen angel (read: demon) who becomes "un-fallen" through a redemptive act and the first Woman Lilith, who is not only the consort of Beelzebub, but due to being neither fully angel nor fully human is incapable of attaining that redemptive act, so is stuck in hell while Saragatanas ascends.

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>>23495343
It would not bother me so much if he were not touted as some modern fantasy guru with his own self titled literary law. Just goes to show how powerful the Mormon marketing mafia is.
>Webm related
Its the sandersoi's enjoying his latest sloppa.

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>>23495014
No light novels?

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I wish he would return. The memes were always top notch.

>> No.23495607

>>23495335
Not him, but what’s so great about it?

>>23495364
What makes them the worst character?

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>>23495433
I was there, anon.

>> No.23495623

/sffg/ when the bakker fell...

>> No.23495629
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The picture that made me read Bakker.

>> No.23495657

Best thread in months.

Truth shines brothers!

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>>23495657
>>23495629
>>23495620
>>23495532
>>23495457
>>23495433
>>23494593
>>23494525
>Fucking bakkerfag

>> No.23495683

>>23495680
All me btw.

>> No.23495703

>>23495680
Who are you quoting?

>> No.23495740
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Never read litrpg before, so i decided to go with this one since i was bored. Seems interesting so far. Does the guy fuck any monster girls?

>> No.23495741

>>23495396
King is normie literature. Whatever the hell sanderson is another beast entierly of retardation.

>> No.23495769

>>23495740
No, he does not.
It's not that kind of litrpg.
He doesn't even get a romantic interest at all

>> No.23495772

>>23495741
It's just generic high/epic fantasy meant to be enjoyed by the 12-25 age bracket. It is the pinnacle of normie-core. It is scarcely any different or better than Harry Potter. The only difference between Sanderson and the other 10 million authors who write this sort of thing is that he got rich and famous out of it instead of being an obscure nobody selling his independently published print-on-demand books through amazon. Sanderson isn't offensively bad, it's just kitschy lowest-common-denominator schlock for women and children.

>> No.23495778

>>23495769
Well thats a shame

>> No.23495789

What the fuck happened to Bakker anyway.
I don't read unfinished series, but it's like he's dropped off the face of the Earth. I can't find any evidence he's working on finishing the series

>> No.23495805

>>23495789
probably fucking and sucking

>> No.23495874

>>23495805
What about feeding and sucking?

>> No.23495879

>>23495484
You're just asking for books with incest

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>>23495874
books with tit sucking please

>> No.23495931

Why are autists on Royal road better at writing fantasy than “real authors”

>> No.23495951

>>23495931
They're not getting paid, therefore the subject is a labor of love rather than a product for profit.
Of course 90+% of royal road content is still hot garbage, but that's just the nature of things.

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>>23494519
There’s the Avatar Kyoshi books, but are there any other good books or series with cool forms of elemental magic? I’ve heard of the Codex Alera books, but what about ones that aren’t so well-known?

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>>23495740
How do you not find the super intelligent anthropomorphized cat annoying? Also why is the MC clinically retarded?

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Made me laugh like a retard back then.

>> No.23496330

>>23495951
>90+% content is still hot garbage, but that's just the nature of things.
you just described the "real published authors" as well

>> No.23496484

>>23494812
>Brandon Sanderson
is brandon sanderson really that bad /lit/?

>> No.23496495

>>23496484
No. It's just typical /lit/ contrarianism. Don't get me wrong, he's nothing special, but he's nowhere near as bad as people here make him out to be.

>> No.23496842

>>23496484
He's just vacuous. Probably north of competent but generally thoughtless and kind of plodding. You don't find much wrong AS you read it but later down you won't be very fulfilled wither. IF you just want to read for the sake of reading something you can do worse but you can do so much better.

>> No.23496915
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23496915

Why are romantasy covers always so good?

>> No.23496920

>>23496915
Book covers with real models are always tacky.

>> No.23496957

>>23496484
I tried to read the way of kings and it felt like isekai and shounen combined

>> No.23496958

>>23496957
Way of Kings is a portal fantasy for 12 year old boys?

>> No.23497004

>>23496287
I dont mind ridiculous characters in a ridiculous setting. As for the mc, so far he hasnt done anything retarded, but the guy has int stat of 3

>> No.23497025

>>23496920
I don't even like it when a book with a movie adaptation gets a cover with t he actors on it

>> No.23497037

>>23496915
I mean you have to give them full credit. They understand their audience (women) are judging the book by the cover. It tells you exactly the tone of the story and the person they are going to be self-inserting as. If only other books were that honest.

>> No.23497084

>>23494525
Truth Shines!

>> No.23497164
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Are there any authors like Wolfe who try to blend scifi/fantasy with deeper themes?

>> No.23497209

>>23497164
Yes. Your pic related.

>> No.23497245

What's a good place to start with Xianxia novels for a newfag?

>> No.23497246

>>23495343
Tbh the latest one is much worse. All the character development slog from Oathbringer goes to shit again.

>> No.23497250

>>23497246
Joke's on you. I quit on book 3.

>> No.23497332

>>23497245
Martial World

>> No.23497426

>>23495629
Did sffg ever figure out who this whore is? I wonder if she still posts here. Or if this was just some kind of misguided paid advertisement by Bakker or one of his minions.

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>>23495538
>completely misunderstand the characters
>accuse others of being edgelords and pseuds based on your own edgelord and pseud impressions of the characters
This is why Bakker is king, he exposes retards like you.

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Are espionage/technothriller scifi? Thinking of getting into some Tom Clancy

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Looking for more science fiction reqs
I'm currently reading The Dispossessed, last book I read was Left Hand of Darkness
I have Roadside Picnic on deck and Neuromancer in the hole
I want to spend more time reading and less time trying to find something to read this year

>> No.23497732

>Or if this was just some kind of misguided paid advertisement by Bakker or one of his minions.
Holy rent free.

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>>23497250
>He didn't quit at book 2
>>23497004
Ahh yes the fetal alcoholics defense.
>'I'm sorry officer i was just born stupid, b-but I'm not technically retard! Please let me keep my drivers license!'

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>>23497164

>> No.23497861

Has anyone read K.J. Parker's fantasy novels? How are they?

>> No.23497883

>>23497605
Target by Janet Morris reads sort of like a Michael Crichton techno-thriller, but not really as good, maybe one of his lesser works like Next or Rising Sun, or one of Crichton's imitators like Preston&Child.

Declare by Tim Powers is borderline scifi/fantasy (depends on your perspective) but it involves actual genuine espionage elements taken straight from real history and indubitably fits the label of techno-thriller. It's like if James Bond met Indiana Jones.

>> No.23497924

>>23494519
need some insight.

I'm trying to decide whether to make the Elves in my IP have demonic ancestry or be more idyllic and a pure race of long-lived beings that live near God.

One path is veering into something else. The other is more familiar to the average fantasy enjoyer and is more Tolkiensque.

Are Elves in mythology moreso aligned with pagan gods? Am I elevating something that really was evil? Or denigrating something that really was good?

I don't want to make a mistake here and elevate something that could be related to demons or denigrate something that is really good.

>> No.23497932

>>23497924
You can make elves Buddhist for all you want. Hell just make up a religion for them that worships big black cocks since that's clearly what you're into you unimaginative fuck

>> No.23497933

>>23497924
Op here, maybe drop elves altogether.

>> No.23497936

>>23495364
I stopped after the second book when I realized the rest of the series would be similar to an Avengers movie.

>> No.23497949

>>23497933
but Elves are iconic.
There's going to be plenty of very completely new and unique races to go around since my playable world space will be gigantic.

>> No.23497965

>>23497949
It's an old tired trope. If you have many other new and unique races then why waste time with an old trope

>> No.23497993

>>23497965
I like them.
I guess I should just fashion them into what I want for my IP.

>> No.23498101

>>23497924
There are numerous and varied cultural depictions of the fair folk. Since you seem to be coming from a Christian background for this, I'd recommend the following take, which is based on medieval interpretations:

"Elves" are the descendants of the nephilim, those fallen angels who mated with humans to produce "giants" before Noah's flood. These fallen angels are not necessarily equivocated precisely with true demons because they inhabited earth's physical plane instead of the Hell that is infinitely removed from God's presence, thus they exist in a sort of questionable moral limbo, not quite acceptable to God's grace, but neither wholly excluded from it. The "watchers" (Egregoroi) of Enoch are associated with this group, and you can get an idea of them from the 2014 Noah film.

At any rate, these "elves" are essentially just tall, attractive humans who may or may not be exceptionally long-lived or capable of transgressing supernatural boundaries that regular humans cannot consciously access (e.g. "magic" or the "Otherworld"), equivalent to the demigods of classical Greco-Roman mythology - or perhaps the wood nymphs and dryads and fauns. They are synonymous with what the Latins called "fata", the Normans called "fae" and what the Welsh called "Tylwth Teg" and the Irish "Tuatha de Danaan". Hence Arthurian "Fata Morgana", "Morgen y Tylwth Teg", "Morgan la Fee".
Conspicuously, the Celtic races of the British isles, particularly the Irish, who claimed blood descent from these "gods", once converted to Christianity believed that their ancestry left them in a terrible pickle: since Yahweh's covenant was with the Adamite humans, of which the Tuatha De were NOT, this meant that they must have had an entirely separate covenant from that of the Jews or any regular fully-human gentile who could become a Christian.

>> No.23498156

>>23498101
whoa, that last part was incredibly interesting and weaves into how I'd make the Elves if I went a more Tolkien route, that they'd be separate from the Adamic line, a previous made people.

"Conspicuously, the Celtic races of the British isles, particularly the Irish, who claimed blood descent from these "gods", once converted to Christianity believed that their ancestry left them in a terrible pickle: since Yahweh's covenant was with the Adamite humans, of which the Tuatha De were NOT, this meant that they must have had an entirely separate covenant from that of the Jews or any regular fully-human gentile who could become a Christian."

>> No.23498248

>>23498156
Remember of course that this is all post-Christian rationalization; there is exceedingly scanty evidence as to what the pre-Christian Celts actually believed, even less than the infamously elusive Germanic traditions, of which the Norse Eddas and the untrustworthy reports of Roman historians are the sole literary representatives. The Mabinogion, that great repository of Celtic myth, was not put to paper before 1100 AD, centuries after the British isles had been thoroughly Christianized, though it is probably a mostly reliable transmission of oral traditions.
The point being that elves, in the celto-germanic sense of the word, are largely identical to what Tolkien wrote. Although the Germanic tradition hardly made any distinction between "dwarf" and "elf"; the stereotype of them being short drunken scotsmen is a very recent invention.

>> No.23498262

>>23497924

>>23495576
>>23495323

>> No.23498263

>>23498248
It interests me that the Tuatha De Danan weren't considered Demonic by Christians, getting this other treatment, while faefolk in other parts of the world were.

>> No.23498279

>>23498262
thank you

>> No.23498317

>>23498263
It really depended on the background of the given culture and the attitude of the given missionaries, as well as the time period they're operating in. For example, a lot of the native tribes in North America had essentially monotheistic religious beliefs that would have been completely amenable to a Christian or Jewish interpretation and syncretization, but the problem is they were met by Enlightenment-era WASPs, which is even worse than being a black African encountering the British Empire. Contrast West African Vodun, which again is an essentially monotheistic religion that encountered next to no opposition from the Catholic French of San Domingue in the Caribbean, but which got stereotyped into Voodoo devil-worship in the 20th century by puritanical pop culture, and eventually BECAME authentic devil-worship once the Hollywood image displaced the original harmless superstition.

>> No.23498328

>>23494812
everyone hates him here but i recently read the first one, The Final Empire, and it was extremely good lol. i was genuinely surprised by how good it was actually
he has some quirks but every author does. unlike other fandoms you don't need to pick a side and irrationally stan for it or w/e. pick one up and see what it does for you

>> No.23498331

>>23497705
Read the whole Sprawl trilogy and after that the Bridge trilogy, also from Gibson.
Burning Chrome is also pretty good.
Sky Lords, War of the Sky Lords and The Fall of the Sky Lords is good fun, not that well known.

>> No.23498334

>>23498263
Additionally, it helped that the Celts didn't really have the same conception of "gods" like regular polytheists did. They were not adamant in their polytheism, as far as they were concerned their magical ancestors were just really powerful immortal wizards, and it didn't really change their worldviews very much to learn "oh there's a being even more powerful than that who created the universe and them".
Also it wouldn't behove the church to say to a people that they're trying to court "oh your ancestors are demons, you aren't allowed to become Christian." But that's all in the past, modern Irish and Welsh and English don't care about that nonsense unless they're haploautists or schizos.

>> No.23498354

>>23495186
>>Paladin of Souls
reading this one now after loving Curse, and it's ok. it's a very feminist book which i don't mind, but it's very inelegant in the way it communicates its ideas.
every time the narration touches on an unfair cultural norm regarding womanhood the protagonist essentially looks at the camera and gives the Jim Halpert face, just in case you didn't realize it was a Bad Thing
it is funny how a big theme throughout the book is "is a women ever too old to ride the cock carousal?" and I can guess what the answer is going to be

>> No.23498446

what IS "science" fiction?

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>>23498446
Anybody who claims a meaningful distinction between "hard" and "soft" SF is a disingenuous faggot. "Science fiction" is really just fantasy for atheist technocrats. It fundamentally deals with things that are impossible and not real. There is no difference between
>"the wizard Gorbulon cast the disintegrate spell to wipe the demon lord Karaziah from this plane of existence"
and
>"Dr. Gorbulon projected the anti-matter beam to disassociate the alien tyrant Karaziah's molecules into 12th-dimensional Kata-space".

"Science" fiction is a story about a Diplodocus hatching, growing up, feeding on cycads and ginkgos, and avoiding Allosaurs until it can join a herd of Diplodocus and reproduce and lay eggs. All that is based on real things that happened because real science has made them known.
"Science fiction" is a story about cloning dinosaurs by extracting blood from mosquitos trapped in amber and replacing the damaged parts of the genome with frog DNA and turning it into a theme park.
"Science" fiction is Space Cowboys with Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones. It depicts a fictitious story about real things that can actually happen.
"Science fiction" is Interstellar by Christopher Nolan. It depicts a fictitious story about fantastic things that mathematicians have conjured up out of their deranged minds.

>> No.23498516

>>23498446
The expectation of certain cliches (starships, ray guns, robots, etc)

>> No.23498536

>>23498478
Space isn't real

>> No.23498545

>>23498446
it's speculative fiction based partially or entirely on our current understanding of science
frequently it posits that a particular scientific challenge we find insurmountable now is overcome in the future and we get to see the impact this has had on our cultures and species
over time it's expanded to encompass essentially "works that are not true and also impossible in our current reality", and thus includes fantasy, alt history, and other subgenres that have little with science

>> No.23498619
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>>23498478
This guy gets it.

>> No.23498633

>>23498619
Note that I don't imply that so-called "science fiction" is bad, just that at the end of the day it's still fantasy.
Author writes about a guy who robs a convenience store by pointing a gun at the cashier: that's fiction. That sort of thing may happen every day, but the specific characters aren't real.
Author writes about a guy robs a convenience store by waving some RFID scanner hidden on his person to steal the cashier's credit card information: that's science fiction. That's a plausible scenario utilizing recently developed technology to achieve a goal in an unorthodox fashion.
Author writes about a guy robs a convenience store by shooting a ray-beam at the cashier to transmogrify him into a sheep: that's fantasy. That's something that completely defies what is known about the real world in favor of something that might theoretically be possible in the event of as yet undeveloped and unlikely ever to be developed technology that is for all intents and purposes a magic spell.
All of these scenarios can be entertaining and well-written, or not.

>> No.23498649

>>23495186
Ok but which of these are the horny ones?

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>>23495186

>> No.23498665

>>23498662
The mom is really mean in that one

>> No.23498677

>>23498662
>>23498665
QRD?

>>23498649
Heart of Bronze is horny if you like 9 year olds.

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>>23497164
>Are there any authors like Wolfe who try to blend scifi/fantasy with deeper themes?


"First of all, I don't write fantasy. I write stories that have important human themes. They have elements of romance, history, adventure, mystery and philosophy. Most fantasy is one-dimensional. It's either about magic or a world-building. I don't do either." - Terry Goodkind

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>>23498678
This guy is why I'm not an atheist or libertarian.

>> No.23498688

>>23498678
He really was a terrible human being and the world is a better place with his death.

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23498751

Read Tenebroum

>> No.23498779

>>23495097
If you're lucky enough to have a large used book store in town, you might also get lucky with some nice finds there too. I do have such a used book store, and a lot of the older stuff I have is from them. Anymore for online shopping for used books, I prefer ebay over Amazon.

>> No.23498790

>>23498678
The gall of him to talk like and then shit out utterly trite garbage like Wizard's First Rule. I couldn't even finish it, it was so utterly cliched it was like being forced to relive all my adolescent attempts at writing original fiction.

>> No.23498821

>>23498665
the author is a black lady. that should explain every single weird parental thing that goes on in that series lol

>> No.23498872

>>23498790
If you thought the first book was trite and cliched, well, you haven't experienced true disgust and disbelief at the abominations of the written word that came next. The only thing larger than his ego was the piles of shit he went on to produce.

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>>23494519
Fire and Blood - George R.R. Martin (2018)

Fire and Blood is a history of House Targaryen from Aegon the Conqueror to Aegon III, roughly 0-136 AC, which covers the first seven of the seventeen Targaryen kings. I only found two of the kings to have lived admirable lives full of accomplishment. Aegon I for being the Conqueror and Jaehaerys I for being everything that a king ought to be. The latter is arguably the best ruler the Seven Kingdoms has ever had. He had his flaws, but everyone else had far many more that were much worse. The other five were enjoyable to read for what a mess they were. The Targaryens had already been in Westeros for a century before Aegon conquered, and that's briefly detailed. A Game of Thrones begins in 297 AC and with the lives of ten more kings to chronicle there could easily be a second volume of similar length. This is a fix-up novel that incorporates and expands on previously published stories, though most of it is new content. The latter half of the book forms the basis for the The House of the Dragon TV series. If I didn't know otherwise I would’ve thought it was all originally written at the same time.

This is a historical overview rather than a narrative driven novel. A notable feature of this style is that lives can be written about without any concern for their narrative importance because there aren’t any point of view characters. It doesn’t matter who dies, the world continues on without them, as does the story. As ought to be expected it's far more fast paced than the A Song of Ice and Fire novels that take place over a few years while this covers closer to a century and a half. There's a huge cast of characters that constantly changes. There's a lot of death, far more than in the main series, and many of the most powerful and influential characters die in sudden and unexpected ways. Much of it's because of conflict, though there's a lot of accidental deaths as well. Some accidental deaths include falling off a horse, slipping in the mud, climbing stairs, a burst appendix, and choking to death on bacon. Death doesn't discriminate, even for the Targaryens, who on the whole were far crazier and less competent than I expected. So many lives are nasty, brutish, and short. There’s so much gelding. Happy, joyous, and glorious times are depicted, but the focus is decidedly on misery, malice, and massacres.

I had been putting this off for a long time because I had doubts whether I'd enjoy it. I wouldn't want this to be the norm for a book series and I don't know if it could stand by itself, but I think it's an extraordinary supplement. Fans who are interested in expanding their view of House Targaryen’s history and its context within A Song of Ice and Fire will find exactly that. My frame of reference for Daenerys has entirely changed. I'd prefer that the main series be finished first, but I'd be happy to receive more in this style if it's more of this or nothing at all.

Rating: 5/5

>> No.23498977

>>23498971
Other Thoughts
Considering how much Brandon Sanderson has done compared with how much he still wants to do he may eventually have to write something similar to this to get it all out. A brief history of many worlds and their people. This is somewhat similar to a campaign setting sourcebook, such as The Grand History of the Realms. I also greatly enjoyed that, so it may seem silly that I was so doubtful about this, but that's how feelings go. There are several other series that would benefit from a book like this.

>> No.23499066

>>23498328
I liked Final Empire but found the Well of Ascension too Marvel for my taste. At least the intro chapter did and I dropped it pretty quickly. Haven't picked Sanderson up since

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>> No.23499137

>>23499118
I would risk reading A Fate Inked in Blood and Map of the Otherlands, but I wouldn't have particularly high hopes. Who knows, I might be pleasantly surprised. The rest of those sound thoroughly terrible.

>> No.23499164

>>23498977
>>23498971
why does every author have to show his entire universe? just write good stories and let the readers piece it all together later

>> No.23499173

>>23499164
You need to attract the autist crowd who will religiously buy everything you put out just to update the fan wiki and show off to each other about how much they know about your universe. The only other crowd books can get now are trendhoppers - and when your book isn't the trend anymore, you won't be making any more money.

>> No.23499195

>>23499164
They don't. The overwhelming majority have no use, need, or want to do so. It's not a categorical imperative.

>> No.23499216

>>23499118
What a fucking garbage. All roastie authors and even few books not written by roasties feature roastie main characters. Into the trash it all goes.

>> No.23499229

>>23499118
I know you're not supposed to judge books by their covers but why are all book covers so lame now?

>> No.23499233

>>23499164
Because they want to be Tolkien. They look at the rich beloved world Tolkien made that's practically treated as a real history and they say "this is what fantasy authors do I need to do it for myself" and then world build without a world or a story.

>> No.23499238

>>23499229
That's not true at all. You're supposed to judge by the cover. That's what they want you to take away from it. The marketing department decides entirely what the cover will be. The author has no input. The publisher very much wants you to judge by the cover.

>> No.23499242

>>23499216
You do realise that the majority of book readers today are women? So of course they are the target audience for most books.

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>>23495229
Honestly i just put it there because i like stover but it's not his best work lol i might take it out
>>23498354
Bujold is usually a very smart author but you can tell she simplifies her prose when writing fantasy.
>"is a women ever too old to ride the cock carousal?"
I hope not!
>>23498821
now i'm left thinking if there are any good black moms/tutors in fantasy books. will investigate further.

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>>23499229
Sometimes I think about why book covers, and especially sff covers, are so lame in 2024. I think it's because:

• A strong convention was set in the 20th c. to hire talented illustrators for covers. There were some unbelievable illustrations and designs all through the 50s to late 90s.

• The bottom fell out of print publishing with the advent of the internet in the 2000s. Money got tight super fast. Readership is still going downward to this day, but is leveling off into the niche hobby we all know and love.

• A new convention was set at publishing houses from the top down, during these times of penury: "fuck it let's pay pennies for dogshit cover designs that any junior graphic designer can do in Illustrator or Photoshop in about 30 minutes." Meanwhile any designer or illustrator getting this treatment quickly learns to go where the money is (digital not print).

There are still some publishers who buck the trends and still do dank illustrated covers, and also there are big publishers who occasionally hire a rare and inspired designer who does a good job. But even then, a Chipp Kidd can never step up to a Frank Frazzetta or Stephen Fabian. etc.

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>>23499280
I remember picking up a lot of books because of them having a really cool and exciting cover. I often like to pick up older paperbacks precisely because of the covers. Now though, I dunno. It all just feels really dull. It's safe and boring. Nothing leaps out.

>> No.23499380

>>23499318
>>23499280
>>23499229
I am newfag here. Why do you people care so much about covers? Literally who gives a shit about the cover, all it matters is if a book is good or not. Can you explain this?

>> No.23499384

>>23498872
I'm happy not having to stain my mind with it. I still have my copy of Wizard's first rule because I find it hard to throw away even a terrible book but I don't want to donate it because I don't want want to have some innocent person reading it on my conscience. I guess I'm containing it in my home.

>> No.23499387

>>23499280
Sanderson is one of those authors who is big enough he probably insists on illustrated covers for his books. They're more of the mid-late 90s style than classic fantasy though.

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>>23499380
Imagine you're in the book store looking for something new to read. You're browsing the shelves and you see no images that leap out and grab your attention. Just a wall of oversized text with maybe a simple logo or vague non distinct image that doesn't convey its story as much as any other story. It might seem like it's "not a big deal" now because you've got people who only ever read from pre defined recommendation lists but unless you were already intimately aware of the author in question you're not likely to give some boring nothing cover the time of dead let alone the effort of reading their whole book. Covers are how you make your first impression to your potential reader. Covers matter. Plus it's just nice to have a bit of artwork to go along with things.

>> No.23499410

>>23499400
Isn't that what blurb on the back cover is for?

>> No.23499419

>>23499410
People aren't going to look at the back cover if the front cover doesn't stand out. You're not going to be in the book flipping over an entire row of shelves reading an overly succinct synopsis or critic points. You want your reader to see your book before they even get near it. This applies to books, magazines, games, movies, comics, everything.

>> No.23499427

>>23499380
I buy my books in print, I always have. That means when I finish reading it, it goes on a shelf in my house. It becomes a long-term fixture in my life. With enough rereading I become more sentimentally attached to the physical object of the book. Basically, if I'm going to keep something in my house for years I'd rather it not be ugly.

>> No.23499429

>>23499419
I have actually trained myself to ignore covers now because they're so universally ugly anymore.

>> No.23499431

You eat food twice. Once with your eyes, then your mouth.

>> No.23499438

>>23499431
A stone floats because it looks down into darkness

>> No.23499493

>>23499438
So retarded

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23499536

I moved and unboxed my Radix Tetrad books. Maybe I'll be fucked to post them in the future.
>8 or 9 or too many years of posting Radix
>less than five people read actual Radix
>nobody even bothers with anything else out of the tetrad, like the cool story about the guy who has to collect literal TONS of pig feces because it is the only fuel for an nth dimensional being from the end of time who provides MC with superpowers for plot reasons

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>> No.23499541

I wonder what kinds of diets you guys have. I bet you all eat like shit.

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>> No.23499563

>dungeon crawler carl uploader for kemono got his shit together
>personal total of 27 (!) new chapters I could read

>> No.23499567

>>23499541
I often make stews and soups and rarely ever fry anything. I use very little fat/oils in my cooking. You are what you eat is absolutely true and I found that when I eat take out food for prolonged period of time my mood and general wellbeing change for the worse.

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23499587

>Arrive in a planar city where the waiters at restaurants are gods
>Rent a hotel room for 30 years
>Escort mission across a 4 billion kilometer continent that takes 20 years
This genre is goofy

>> No.23499590

>>23499541
I have one significant meal a day usually around 3-4 PM predominantly consisting of meat and rice, potatoes, pasta, beans, or some other vegetable. The rest of the time I snack mildly on crackers, nuts, or dried fruit while drinking tea or juice. About once every month or two I'll splurge on some dessert item like a cake or pie or tub of ice cream. I'm 6' and weigh about 165 lb.

>> No.23499593

>>23499536
I'd read it, write about it, and post it, as I've already multiple times, but you haven't bothered to do anything about it. Have you considered maybe you're just really bad at promoting your preferred book?

>> No.23499665

Worm is so good I can't get over it. This is truly peak fiction, and its in web serial form.

>> No.23499716
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The other day, I asked what this series was like. I didn't get a response by anyone who actually read it. Only a couple of guesses from pessimistic anons who called it YA slop. And I have to say, those were good guesses. It's YA slop.

This is the first book I've read that actually lives up to all the YA stereotypes. The love triangles, and the generic "resistance", and drama based on poor communication between characters, and all that kind of stuff. It was an entirely unremarkable book. At times it almost reached good status. And at other times it was very cringe. But it was never so good or bad that I felt like dropping it. It was just serviceable enough that it filled time, so I stuck with it, just because I have nothing better to read.

I was a little confused in the beginning, because it seems like the main character and her brother than communicate telepathically. Except that's never addressed outside of the first chapter. Her brother's voice is often heard throughout the book. But it's not really explained if he's actually talking to her or if she's suffering some kind of delusion. So I'm seriously wondering if her brother is even real, or some kind of fight club type of deal, where her personality split, and she doesn't remember doing everything her brother did. But that can't be the case, because other characters remember her brother too. So I'm just very confused by this weird telepathy thing they introduced early on.

They do try to write a cohesive plot, where a lot of seemingly random events that happened early on, are explained near the end to make a whole picture. Which I actually appreciate. Because I'm kind of sick of stories written to be forever-mysteries. Though, they did leave a few things unanswered for sequel bait of course. Fair game.

I really hate it when characters have to posture about how emotional they are, by acting stupidly and ruining their own plans on impulse. They do some of that here. They also do that thing where a character doesn't understand the feelings of another character, just to force a misunderstanding between them. Like be fucking for real, anyone can read those signals. Stop the show. Just talk it out.

Would not recommend, unless you have absolutely nothing else to read like me, and just want to fill some time. Now I'm going to start the sequel for the same reason.

>> No.23499719

>>23499716
Oh also, I never understood why the scholars kept getting raided. What was the point? You already own those people. You've owned them for hundreds of years. They're your subjects by this point. You're raiding your own subjects? Why?

>> No.23499731

>>23499665
I tried and dropped it when i realized the MC is a mudshark, which was very early on thankfully

>> No.23499749

>>23498478
Science fiction is about exploring the consequences of future technologies.

Science fantasy is fantasy set in the future

These often blend together

>> No.23499753

>>23499567
>rarely ever eat fat
lol, lmao
he fell for the cholestromeme

>> No.23499761

>>23499716
The narrator pronounces "catacomb" as "catacoom". It makes all the catacomb scenes sound ridiculous. But he's a good narrator otherwise.

>> No.23499786

>>23499749
>future technologies
impossible fictive technologies you mean
science does not equal hypothesis and speculation, science is testing and experimentation and observation, and something which does not exist (yet, or at any time) is fundamentally not scientific, ergo it is by definition fantastic

>> No.23499796

is Yev still around ? how you doin my guy

>> No.23499821

>>23499786
There are so many technologies that we could make right now, if it was worth investing the money and resources into. Things where we already have the scientific understanding of how to make them, but simply have not done so. There are many technologies which already exist and are obscure for some reason but and will probably be ubiquitous in the future. There is nothing fantasistical about that.

>> No.23499822

>>23499761
>The narrator pronounces "catacomb" as "catacoom". It makes all the catacomb scenes sound ridiculous.
Huh?

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>>23499786
>arguing semantics

>> No.23499825

>>23499822
regional dialect

>> No.23499829

>>23499796
Disappointing.

>> No.23499830

>>23499824
This is the opposite of semantics. Semantics is the arbitrary separation of things, I am arguing for the rejoining of things, reducing denominators into a more simplistic and comprehensive unity, which is fantasy.

>> No.23499835

>>23499830
I disgree. You really need 3 categories. Science fiction which has no magic. Science fantasy, which has science magic, and fantasy which has magic.

>> No.23499885

>>23499822
It's an audiobook. The narrator of the audiobook pronounced comb like coom for some reason.

>> No.23499895

>>23499829
why wut habben

>> No.23499903

>>23499895
You.
The End.

>> No.23500073

>>23494812
I'd say get back into reading by starting with short stories and short novels first. I got back into reading by readinb public domain Conan, Solomon Kane, and Lovecraft short stories and then reading a few Elric/Moorcock novels, which are usually 200 or so pages a piece.

>> No.23500081

Yun Tianming is the biggest simp in the history of writing.

>> No.23500098

>>23499821
Could you list about five techs that you believe fall into this category? I could use a good laugh
>>23499822
"catacoom" is British. the original Latin would have been catacumb anyway

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I was browsing random shit a few hours ago and learned about NASA's 2017 proposal to send a probe to alpha centauri in 2069. About half an hour ago I began reading Quarantine by Greg Egan, written in 1992 and it mentions a similar US mission planned for 2069. Who the fuck is Greg Egan? I'm losing my mind.

>> No.23500217

>>23500210
Wikipedia tells me he's an Australian mathematician and hard sci-fi writer

>> No.23500229

>>23500217
Yeah but he's too big brained to be australian.

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23500235

Did literally not a single thing wrong.

>> No.23500239

>>23500229
newfaggotry at its worst

>> No.23500242

>>23500239
I love Greg Egan bro.

>> No.23500247

>>23500242
Places my hand on your sexy bottom.
Me too, bro

>> No.23500248

>>23500247
My neural mod activates to suppress any homosexual tendencies as I loudly proclaim you a fag.

>> No.23500256

About to read Schweitzer's Shattered Goddess for the first time. Hope it's as great as MotS

>> No.23500284

NO-GOD WHEN

>> No.23500291
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The Light That Comes After

>> No.23500292

>>23500284
No-God isn't real, Morty. Might as well rip that band-aid right off

>> No.23500295

>>23500284
Do we need it? What more is there to explore?

>> No.23500319

>>23499753
I just don't like fatty food

>> No.23500342
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Why should anyone read Malazan?

>> No.23500356

>>23500342
Oof. Really letting xerself go here.

>> No.23500379

>>23499716
>Only a couple of guesses from pessimistic anons who called it YA slop. And I have to say, those were good guesses. It's YA slop.
While there are people here who call anything published in the last 20 years slop, there's also people who actually read fantasy and are knowledgeable about the state of the genre. Unfortunately the state of the genre is such that the pessimists and the knowledgeable people wind up expressing similar opinions about a lot of recent titles.

>> No.23500390

Brittany!

>> No.23500408

>>23499536
Anon stop your jiggling and waddle on to another series. Your corpulent howlie frame can do bretter. Your mother won't keep supporting your muffin top rolls and calling you pudding forever you know.

>> No.23500413

why are people excited that red rising is getting a tv show?

>> No.23500423

>>23500413
No taste and short memories.

>> No.23500475

>>23500379
I see what you mean.
btw. I'm starting to think that maybe I can write a book. I don't normally write. Not even as a hobby. But I do fancy myself a creative person. And on the rare occasions when I did write creatively for school, I always tested well there. With as low as the bar is for YA material, I think I can meet or exceed that bar.

>> No.23500506

>>23500475
could you market it, though?

>> No.23500511

>>23500506
No clue. I'll have to look into that.

>> No.23500551

>>23500475
The more you exceed that bar the less successful you'll be.

>> No.23500706

>>23500256
it's good and you'll like it if you liked MotS, but it's not as polished (as a novel length work).
he improved between it and Mask a decade+ later

>> No.23500724
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How does it compare so far to the first book?

>> No.23500749

>>23500210
Sending probes to Alpha Centauri in 2069 has been what Nasa says when they want more government gibs for decades. Note that Nasa is basically defunct and it's purely a way to scam more taxpayer money that they spend on hiring more darkies to do nothing.

>> No.23500758

>>23500749
meds

>> No.23500759

>>23500749
Hol' up. /pol/ is leaking across boards again.

>> No.23500760

>>23500758
Name one time in the last 10 years Nasa did anything (that didn't fail spectacularly).

>> No.23500797

>>23500724
>chinese webnovel
its crap

>> No.23500809

>>23500760
The James Webb Space Telescope, the Ingenuity Mars Helicopter, exoplanets found by TESS.

>> No.23500990

Be honest with me, is res rising cringe?

>> No.23500997

>>23500990
No. It's a good series but the first book is the weakest and doesn't really represent what the story becomes.

>> No.23501006

>>23500997
I just feel like, sometimes, I'm reading deeper into the subtext than even the author did.

>> No.23501008

>>23500990
decent enough, the follow up trilogy isnt as good as the first though

>> No.23501014

>>23501008
Very bold opinion, would you mind elaborating?

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>>23500990
It's great. But it is cringe at times. It has a scene that is pretty much the "I studied the blade" meme.

>> No.23501034

>>23501017
Some niggy on reddit pointed out that darrow quoting lorn 15 fucking times before the gala served as pretty good forshadowing. But yeah it doesnt save the
>while you were raw dogging my ex girlfriend, i was studying the blade

do you think the mustang arrow thing was a direct attempt to assuage the allegations? i was starting to feel bad for cassius at that point.

>> No.23501048

>>23500990
Cringe is a personal reaction, not a quality of something.

>> No.23501060

Reading Quarantine and I can't help but compare it to Blade runner 2049. The main character even has a neuro generated waifu popping up every now and then.

>> No.23501063

>>23501060
is the protagonist literally me?

>> No.23501071

>>23499280
Unless you have a lot of bargaining power like Sanderson and you can insist on certain covers. They all look pretty good excpet the Skyward books. It's a shame that those aesthetics are thrown in the garbage because of penny-pinching

>> No.23501072

>>23501063
No but he's literally me.

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>>23501014
that anon is right Red Rising has been falling off bard, and Lightbringer is the worst of them all. spoiler review in pic rel

>> No.23501089

>>23501074
Having just finished the book, half of these critiques are objectively false :(

How the hell is the bioweapon a deus ex machina? Is this reviewer retarded?

>> No.23501093

Does Erikson ever expand on what the green jade hand is that they saw in Deadhouse Gates was?

>> No.23501121

>>23501089
you are retarded , i couldn't count the amount of deus ex instances if I tried.
there are many other issues not mentioned here.
how did sevro escape from Apo's prison given that he had all those hight tech cells and he would have been extremely weak ? for that matter why would abomination ( fitting name for a useless character) even Sell off sevro to apollonius ? when his entire posse hates him with all their might.
There's randomly a whole other force of allies hiding out in outer rim for years never being mentioned ?
The plotlines being dropped are objectively true, Pierce handing politics with garbage melodramatic speeches that magically convince thousands with centuries long hatred, it's all trash.
character actions and interactions are completely off for every single one in this book.
Pierce himself said he did a 180 writing the book and threw away 400 pages and trust me, it shows.

the writing quality and the prose itself has taken a turn for much worse. he simply doesn't know how to write this series anymore.

>> No.23501131

>>23501121
Why are you doing a whataboutism? How is the bioweapon a deus ex.

>> No.23501141

>>23501048
Cringe is a state of being

>> No.23501147

>>23501131
it's the introduction of the deus ex you numbskull
there were already a 1000 plot points already there was zero need for a magical DNA weapon which has the potential to rape everyone into atoms

>> No.23501156

What was your first introduction to the deus ex machina, /sffg/? For me, it was The Stand.

>> No.23501158

>>23501074
>CONFESS
It's just so peak

>> No.23501159

>>23501074
Kek the guy really had a rant moment
I agree with some of these points, and I've seen much of the same opinion said here before when the book came out, Light bringer is pretty weak.

>> No.23501162

>>23501158
>peak
it's corny as hell coz he's been bitching about being the lamest cuck in the world for 3 books and it doesn't fit

>> No.23501165

>>23501156
Harry Potter phoenix

>> No.23501177

>>23501147
>i wouldnt have written it like that, therefore its bad
many such reviews. utterly worthless.

>> No.23501183

>>23501162
He see-saws between self flagulation and righteous duty. I seriously question if the people who say he spent the last 3 books bitching even read the fucking books. It's literally his character arc that he has to overcome the guilt and be a better man for his family and his people. Are you fucking retarded?

>> No.23501247

>>23501074
>bioweapon
they talked about the origins of the bioweapon, tying it to some names who lived cotemporary with the 'Iron Golds' that conquered Earth
the ones that were called Golds because of their suits, not because their race. Colour system not implemented yet.
But the weapon is made to target specific, races, in the colour system..

Anyone else found that,, strange?

Obviously the timeline could be a bit fucked, cuz Golds have also been eating their own propaganda. Or the weapon could just be very versatile, like, you could program it with 'Jew', 'Arab' or 'Gold'.

>> No.23501251

Any Lucius Shepard fans here? Just read R&R, banger of a novella

>> No.23501260

>>23501158
What xianxia slopguzzling does to a nigger
>>23501247
you're thinking more about it than Pierce ever did desu

>> No.23501261

>>23501074
While I agree with the criticism of dropped plot threads.
Like, why the fuck put an AI in the the head of the Red girl just to have it do nothing, and then be removed next book? lol

I'm willing to massively forgive and overlook stuff like that, because I still really really enjoyed the book and series. Had some ideas in the previous book, decided they were not interesting enough to pursue in the next, That's pretty blantant.
Just view it as the author realizing that the series is supposed to end, and having some struggles with tying it all up.

>> No.23501288

>>23501156
if you'll allow "diabolus ex machina" instead, it was the end of the Northern Lights trilogy.

oh by the way you can never be together because you'll die if you don't stay in your own parallel worlds
ok then we'll keep a secret doorway open between worlds
uhhh well actually you can't because only one doorway can be open permanently and it has to be the one that allows people to escape from Limbo.
OK well we'll just open a door temporarily when we want to see each other.
Uhh no you can't do that either because every time you open a door it creates a soul-eating monster (while the monsters were introduced in book 2 it was never even remotely hinted that they were linked with the creation of the doors in any way)

>> No.23501295

>>23494812
Mistborn trilogy is a solid entry level into fantasy literature

>> No.23501311

>>23501288
UHHHHHHHHHHHHH it's called His Dark Materials

>> No.23501315

>>23495433
I got filtered when it gets revealed that the warlord got sissy hypno-ed by the monk

>> No.23501341

The "dropped" plots are obviously on purpose to make you think that.
Lyria still has the thing and Sevro got mindraped by the abomination and will be made to turn on Darrow. Screencap this.

>> No.23501403

>>23501247
This is what happens when you speed read. It is explicitly stated that the bioweapon was developed alongside the color system.

>> No.23501422

>>23501288
I always knew the knife was bad

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>>23499716
Guys, can anyone suggest me a decent fantasy novel set in arabian folklore/mythology? Pic related is my want-to-read list of books that looked somehow promising (at least by annotations). As I understand An Ember in the Ashes isn't really what I'm looking for too.

I've tried The City of Brass by Shannon Chakraborty and it was not bat at the beginning, but then it started to look more and more like a book written by woman for women where everything spins around the love story of the main heroine, so I dropped this book. Am I right or should I give The City of Brass a try?

I'm not against romances, I just don't like when world building and other stuff is being sacrificed for it. I just want a good adventure, basically an offspring of The Witcher and One Thousand and One Nights, is there any?

>> No.23501478

>>23501288
Just curious, was the 3rd book as bad as it was portrayed in the tv show? I really liked the first two seasons and wasn't allowed to read the books as a kid because of Pullman's atheist reputation and then it dropped the fuck off

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>>23500342
>Erikson is practicing architecture through his books
This is a level of power that shouldn't be possible.

>> No.23501484

>>23501478
in retrospect the third book was pretty bad, yeah

>> No.23501806

>>23501467
That was my was my experience with City of Brass as well. There are a few series that somewhat are what you want, but they have mixed reputations. Anything I'd suggest would be more science fiction oriented than fantasy.

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>>23501467
>female author

>> No.23501872

>>23501467
>As I understand An Ember in the Ashes isn't really what I'm looking for too.
>a book written by woman for women where everything spins around the love story of the main heroine
That's what happens in An Ember in the Ashes. The book has too main protagonists, a man and a woman. The two main characters have romantic tension between each other. But then they also have romantic tension between them an another. So there's actually two love triangles here. Whenever any of the love interests are near each other(which happens often), the writer starts writing about body warmth and body scents, and getting all emotional. Definitely written for women.

>> No.23501990

>>23501467
Vathek

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For some reason my library has most of the Malazan series, in hardcover 1st editions no less, and even the sidestory and Esselmont books. But for some reason has no copies of books 2, 3 and 7. I had to buy those myself to keep reading and decided to donate them today, now they have a complete set. There's 6 holds on the ebook for Deadhouse Gates so there's definitely people trying to get into the series.

starting Return of the Crimson Guard today before TTH

>23501093
yeah they become relevant eventually

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>> No.23502130

>>23499118
I read what appears to be the only male author + male pov book here, The Tainted Cup.
I liked it well enough to read the 2nd book.

there's a 3 sentence reveal of the mc being a fruitcake

>> No.23502150

>>23502130
You didn't realize that until the end? There's a ton of saying he is starting from early on.

>> No.23502152

>>23502130
It wasn't getting on that list otherwise.

>> No.23502153

>>23502104
what's the book version of KINO

>> No.23502158

>>23502152
>oh btw the guy's autistic or queer something idk
>LGTBQTISDOFAS0210 BOOK OF THE YEAR

>> No.23502163

estimate Sanderson's current weight

>> No.23502171

>>23502163
slightly less than his bank balance.

>> No.23502172

>>23502163
I'd guess a solid 200.

>> No.23502177

>>23502150
>a ton
no, there's not. there's one line during the pheromone genetically engineered whore thing

unless gay male "coded language" exists or something, then I admit I missed it

>> No.23502185

>>23502163
In which world's measurement of Investiture?

>> No.23502187

>>23502177
The first one is where he doesn't have any interest in breasts, then how his mentor teases him about it but he's oblivious, then how he talks about his "roommate", and various other small things.

>> No.23502194

>>23498619
Sleep well Fang yuan, dream of profit.

>> No.23502200

>>23502163
30 stone

>> No.23502290

>>23502163
150kg

>> No.23502299

>>23502187
I swear he could have just been an autist up until the "reveal", but I kneel to your gaydar.
regardless, I hope the author doesn't do anything retarded for the next book like an additional pov

>> No.23502304

I'd rather the protagonist be a woman than a homosexual, gross

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>>23502304
trannies have ruined that too

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23502366

finally bought chronicles of the black company. what am i in for?

>> No.23502460

Reading Way of Kings during a thunderstorm was peak immersion

>> No.23502472

>>23502366
All I remember about the first book is nothing happens (except for one or two scenes) and there's no descriptions of anything. Just people playing cards for a novel.

>> No.23502487

>>23502460
>storm throws neighbor's trampoline across my yard onto the other side's fence a few months back
we living in the everstorm

>> No.23502501

The everstorm is basically a super derecho. If aren't familiar with that weather phenomenon then look it up.

>> No.23502517

>>23494525
>>23494527
I haven't used /lit/ much in the past year (much to my shame) but you people are stuck in a time loop.

>> No.23502539

>>23502517
>I haven't used /lit/ much in the past year
Why?

>> No.23502540

>>23502517
There's nothing else to talk discuss because the industry is dying and no new good writers have emerged since the 00s

>> No.23502547

>>23502517
it's one covid-brand ritualposting newfag who behaves this way because its the only method he knows of to interact with others on 4chan
many such cases

>> No.23502552

>>23502472
chronicles of the black company incorporates the first three books, did you read the other books

>> No.23502567
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23502567

It isn't as good as LOTM.

>> No.23502630

>>23502487
https://youtu.be/a_VTvQLAfaE?si=qW203yFFqKh50N5p

>> No.23502629

I don't regret reading webnovels but its gotta be the most annoying medium to actually read as intended (at release pace)
Every time I go back to one I have to spend 10 minutes working out what chapter I got to
>>23501467
Tales from the Flat Earth, if you're gonna read an Arabian Nights riff that's the one to go for
Howard Andrew Jones from that pic is alright, he basically writes Dumas style adventure novels and they're always fun.
Also Fire Sacraments by Redick is pretty good, that's got some interesting world building going on so it's not just arabic fantasy but it does still fall well within that genre.
Second book is about a caravan journey which is something underused in fantasy imo
(If you want non-fiction read Life Along the Silk Road, that's a historical work but it's presented narratively as a series of stories)

>> No.23502652

The Brothers' War absolutely shits on the new MtG fiction which says a lot because even the old MtG fiction is pretty crappy

>> No.23502687

>>23502163
Well bellow George Double R

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Anyone else pick up this?

>> No.23502720

>>23500342
had does someone speedrun falling off so efficiently?

>> No.23502729

>>23502720
You want to try that again in English?

>> No.23502732

>>23500342
he should have really slimmed down a bit before coming back lol

>> No.23502734

>>23502729
No. I'm lucky I can do the captcha in my cups

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>>23498649
Heinlein is peak horny, the book literally ends with an Incestuous wedding
Melanie Rawn (my wife) Sara Douglass, Asa Drake, Jennifer Roberson and Tanith Lee are pretty horny
Fifth Milleniumis has some horny parts

>> No.23502776

>>23502629
>but its gotta be the most annoying medium to actually read as intended (at release pace)
you could just not do that

>> No.23502837

>>23502567
I want to read it but I also want to wait until its finished but who knows when that will be

>> No.23502852

i DO NOT want to read WEB """""""novel"""""" SLOP

>> No.23502875

>>23502852
Than don't.

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>than

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black company bros, what the fuck do reverse centaurs look like

>> No.23503056

>>23503052
niggas with horse heads

>> No.23503191

>>23494658
The Amber Enchantress
>>23495008
Death of Dr Island fucked me up
>>23495433
Because the Darkness That Comes Before lies at the end of all roads of inquiry

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>>23502766
Cheers bruv.

>> No.23503409

>>23502547
You sound resentful.

>> No.23503746

>>23502517
>repeat one question from the end of a previous thread
>LOL TIMELOOP
I don't understand

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23503753

Raymond E. Feist
Y/N

>> No.23503784

I think you're all homosexual.

>> No.23504006

>>23503784
If by "all" you mean the lone Bakker spammer? Then yes he enjoys the scent of the unwashed male anus.

>> No.23504021

>>23504019
>>23504019
>>23504019
New!

>> No.23504269

>>23504006
>lone