/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23484]

/fit/ here, why does /lit/ love Slavoj Zizek so much? Isn't he a commie?

[Anonymous No.23498]

>>23484
communism works, my friend :)

[Anonymous No.23522]

being a communist is the most /lit/ thing you can be

[Anonymous No.23530]

>>23498
never browsed /lit/, are you guys all commies?

[Anonymous No.23575]

>>23530
everyone who reads good books is

[Anonymous No.23609]

>>23498
It doesn't.

[Anonymous No.23630]

>>23484
he is a cummie

[Anonymous No.23634]

>>23530
No.
Better dead than red.

[Anonymous No.23663]

L E F T A C C E L E R A T I O N I S M

[Anonymous No.23688]

He's simply reactionary. You can tell by how he says in an interview that he has a poster of Stalin right when you enter his place just because it pisses people, especially Marxists, off to see it. Plus, he's not explicitly a "political philosopher." He just uses it as an accent to his physiological and social theory.

[Anonymous No.23751]

>>23484

He probably would have been a party member if he'd been born earlier. Modern Marxism isn't very specifically about communism any longer. It's still leftist generally, but it's rather more analytical and trying to understand what the fuck is happening. As with many ideological-laden discourses, some of it shit and some of it is golden.

[Anonymous No.23778]

>>23609
that's not real communism, that's crony communism

[Anonymous No.23807]

>>23575
someone hasn't read a book

[Anonymous No.23893]

>capitalism doesn't work because people are corrupt
>but don't worry dude communism will

>it's not fir that the factory owner makes money off of my labor even though he has to pay for marketing, distribution, raw materials, machinery, etc.

[Anonymous No.23919]

>>23575
Maybe because they read so many books that they have lost touch with reality

[Anonymous No.23967]

>>23919
>that they have lost touch with reality

Isn't that the goal? It is for me.

[Anonymous No.23992]

>>23530
Yes, HEIL STALIN.

[Anonymous No.23997]

>>23778

[Anonymous No.24061]

gommunism will be inevitable with the increasing tech ceiling

[Anonymous No.24076]

>>23498
*kills

[Anonymous No.24103]

>>23522

>listen, pleash, dunt be afriad, i'm not crazy
>sniff

[Anonymous No.24121]

>>23778

[Anonymous No.24128]

>>23688
The poster is post-ironic. In other interviews he says we shouldn't let the negatives and brutalities of Stalinism cause us to throw away the positive aspects of its praxis so easily and carelessly.

>>23530
I'd say a decent majority here are some variety of Marxist, yeah. Still a much better ratio than you'd find on any other humanities board on the internet---they generally only have one Nietzschean or Monarchist or whatever, we have dozens!

[Anonymous No.24190]

>>23484
>Isn't he a commie?
You say that like it's a bad thing

[Anonymous No.24192]

>>23967
That is what anime is for

[Anonymous No.24258]

>>23498
>communism works
Top zozzle
Next, you're gonna tell me crossfit is superior

[Anonymous No.24273]

>>23484
He's funny sometimes. There's also this one cap of a theoretical Slavoj comparing 4chan to a macabro Yugoslavia or something which was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.24347]

>>24273
Gotchu covered fampai

[Anonymouse No.24370]

>>23484
Slavoj is actually a very /fit/-friendly philosopher. His views on ideology and reality are rather easily digested, in part because he's hilarious and in part because he has no difficultly translating between impenetrable high register and relatively readable low register.

Check out some of his editorials, for instance:
http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/culture/2012/08/slavoj-%C5%BEi%C5%BEek-politics-batman

Also, when he talks about sommunism and you talk about communism, it's two different things.

[Anonymous No.24428]

Pure ideology meme is always a great way to shoo /pol/fags and is a good food for thought

[Anonymous No.24531]

>>24428

>Prospertarian

What is this?

[Anonymous No.24565]

>>23484
he pretends to be a communism, so he say far right critiques of liberalism to moron college kids, who then cheer him on.

he has actually got into trouble for literally plagiarizing racist / far right websites.

[Anonymous No.24857]

>>24258
communism is basically the crossfit of political ideology

[Anonymous No.24865]

>>24128
>they generally only have one Nietzschean

That's because they don't really understand Nietzsche.

He was completely down with self-improvement, but failed not to imagine lots of people could be. He would have totally been into CrossFit. And he would have let you known it.

[Anonymous No.24875]

>>23484
It's a meme, nobody on /lit/ takes him serious or even reads him

[Anonymous No.24999]

>>23609

[Anonymous No.25107]

>>24531
>>Prospertarian
>
>What is this?

It says propertarian, not prospertarian.

[Anonymous No.25182]

>>25107

God, I can't even fucking read.

[Anonymous No.25221]

>>24999
woah a couple dozen irrelevant shithole states that barely existed
really makes you hmmm..........

[Anonymous No.25243]

>>23498
You must be stupid or something

[Anonymous No.26113]

someone post the pirates shop

[Anonymous No.26817]

>>25221
Sure beats listing the same country twice and a meme leader and his irrelevant satellite

[Anonymous No.26923]

>>24347
>why cant 4chan be a serious depression discussion forum
Because no one actually likes being depressed. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.26989]

>>23919

This guy gets it

[Anonymous No.27000]

Communism is fahckin j00cey m8

[Anonymous No.27012]

>>23498
>basing your ideological positions on what "works"

[Anonymous No.27070]

[Anonymous No.27075]

>/lit/ is a commie board
aw come on i was starting to like you guys..

[Anonymous No.27081]

>>24999
>rosa luxejew
hmmm i wonder who is behind this post

[Anonymous No.27113]

How many calories are in the trashcan of ideology? Does it have decent macros?

[Anonymous No.27126]

>>27075

The humanity-related boards are obviously going to be commie/socialist. /his/ is definitely far left leaning. There's a reason most smart people end up on the Socialist side of politics.

[Anonymous No.27128]

>yfw you found out Jeff Mangum likely met Zizek through his wife

[Anonymous No.27161]

>>25182
Stay here on /lit/. You will learn

[Anonymous No.27189]

>>24190
>immanetizing the eschaton
Yeah how could that possibly go wrong...

[Anonymous No.27199]

>>23484
communism is good. slavman is funny

[Anonymous No.27209]

God I wish /pol/ and /lit/ had merged. The Commies meeting the Nazis would've been hilarious.

[Anonymous No.27213]

>>24370
By /fit/ friendly are you calling us stupid? Cause it sounds like you're intimating that we're a bunch of dumb fucks.

[Anonymous No.27239]

>>24999
>a bunch of literally whos

[Anonymous No.27247]

>>23498
There never was real communism, closest thing, that worked, was Yugoslavia, and nothing else.
Best thing is autocracy, ruled by an intelligent and capable leader.

[Anonymous No.27265]

>>27126
Because once you get far enough into masturbatory groupthink you become detached from reality?

[Anonymous No.27271]

>>23484
he is based as fuck

[Anonymous No.27277]

>>23530
no, we're all /pol/-ites

[Anonymous No.27293]

>>27126
>/his/ is definitely far left leaning.
no its not /his/ shits on facists and communists frequently
>There's a reason most smart people end up on the Socialist side of politics.
good one

[Anonymous No.27297]

>tfw lit is literally commie
well, reading too much fantasy must really make you delusional

[Anonymous No.27298]

>ancraps are allowed to say "BUT THAT WASN'T REAL CAPITALISM THAT WAS CORPORATISM with s slap on the wrist

>When commies do it everyone loses their minds

Why the double standard tho senpai

[Anonymous No.27300]

>>27247
So like a nationalist socialism with some sort of leader?

[Anonymous No.27308]

>>27126
Is it because they spend their entire lives in university and nose deep in books, grow up in better off neighborhoods, not work a physical job and never having to experience the world of the common man?

[Anonymous No.27320]

>>27298
ancaps are retarded too (though not as retarded)
they just have funnier memes

[Anonymous No.27328]

Listen to his videos. He is smart and funny, even if you are not a gommunist. In fact the reason Chomsky doesn't like him is because he's funnier.

[Anonymous No.27338]

>>27298
We didn't kill 100 million people in the name of our ideology in the past 100 years.

[Anonymous No.27359]

>>27247
>yugoslavia
get out you trash, marksuccs are ancap shills

[Anonymous No.27365]

>>27300
Yes. Patriotism is the best way to get the people all happy, and when you present a threat (example: Jewish people in Nazi Germany), it's even better, people work together.

[Anonymous No.27393]

>>27365
>TFW commie scum agrees Hitler did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.27401]

>>27338
>he thinks capitalism hasn't killed millions

http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

[Anonymous No.27410]

>>27359
Both USA and USSR sucked Tito's balls, because he was in the middle, promising them a lot, and milking them in the process.

[Anonymous No.27413]

>>27320
I used to think this
when bitcoin was only a dollar
the ancaps make everyone else look like babies now

[Anonymous No.27430]

>>27393
I'm not a communist, and I agree that Hitler did nothing wrong.
By the way, Hitler wasn't really the brains of the operation, he was a piece of shit on Goebbels' shoe.

[Anonymous No.27432]

>>24999
I like how they deleted Hugo Chávez from that picture.

[Anonymous No.27439]

>>27401
>impling capitalism is a ideology and not people trading stuff
most of these deaths were caused by imperialism, colonialism and jews
fuck off

[Anonymous No.27458]

>>27393
One more thing, Trump is a sort of a genius. He knows how to use propaganda, and he uses it well. And people who voted for Clinton were objectively idiots.

[Anonymous No.27464]

>>27401
>every single war and disaster in non-communist countries (and also wars in communist countries where anti-communists are on one side) are the fault of capitalism

[Anonymous No.27468]

>>27126

You're mistaking mooching off of people while you spend your life escaping in books for being smart. There is a reason people like you and marx, who have never worked, end up on the socialist side of politics.

[Anonymous No.27488]

>we have uncovered the iron laws of historical progress
>every single country we founded has failed for bullshit contingent reasons

Embarassing. At least liberal progressives have a reason to feel smug about being on the "right side of history". But Marxist theory has to change every 10 years to keep the appearance of being "scientific" after how much wrong they are every single time.

[Anonymous No.27496]

>>27432
>I like how they deleted Hugo Chávez from that picture
haha, here in brazil the lefties used to suck hugo chavez and maduros dick

[Anonymous No.27501]

>>27298
honestly it's still a pretty bad argument no matter who uses it and this is coming from a commie. What people mean when they say "look at this shitty socialist country" is "socialists took control and everything went to shit." The answer here is not to say that the country they bring up is not a true socialist country, the answer is to point to where you disagree with the actions of these so-called socialists in terms of their actions and program and explain how you think these actions you mentioned are responsible for shitting up this country.
>>27439
>impling capitalism is a ideology and not people trading stuff
wait what's the argument here? I see none. also:
>capitalism has nothing to do with imperialism, colonialism, or jewish bankers
:^)

[Anonymous No.27516]

>>27488
>we have uncovered the iron laws of historical progress
not too many lefties actually believe that tho
such people do exist tho and are indeed kek worthy

[Anonymous No.27548]

>>27501

socialism is absurd because there is no centralized body capable to properly deciding what should be made and how it should be priced. The amount of information and computing required to make those decisions accurately can only be done through he combined power of all people selfishly competing. You need the processing power of all human brains since there isn't a computer or person that can replace this. that is what you spergs will never understand.

[Anonymous No.27556]

>>27430
I'd argure it was Martin Bohrmann, and I certainly don't think its fair to say he was a POS as he was running the outfit but at least you're saying you're not a commie.
>>27458
He really is, and the best part is he's convinced his enemies he's a moron. When he announced I knew his victory was pretty much a sure thing because he's been operating on a whole different level than almost all other politicians.
>>27401
I said people killed for the sake of the ideology, and as communists aren't people that number gotta be pretty low, dunnit?

[Anonymous No.27562]

>>27488
>At least liberal progressives have a reason to feel smug about being on the "right side of history".

They haven't felt smug for the last 20 years, It has literally become more electable to describe yourself as a theocrate than liberal or progressive in most of Europe.

[Anonymous No.27604]

Guys, play nice, this is /fitlit/ not /mlpol/

[Anonymous No.27625]

>>27496
PSOL literally deleted the article they had on their website about them supporting Maduro in the last elections.

[Anonymous No.27626]

>>27501
communism is literally jewish ideology, imperialism and colonialism is something intrinsic a bad part of humanity (capitalism was not even a thing when they started)
also, communism advocates for one international revolution(aka be like me or die), things like that i will never support

[Anonymous No.27640]

>>23484

he's a commie but he is not delusional, he recognizes communism failed and the modern left is lost and failing

>>23498

zizek disagrees with you

[Anonymous No.27643]

>>27401
>he thinks capitalism is a comprehensive ideology
>he thinks millions are comparable to hundreds of millions
>he thinks capitalism existed before capitalism existed

Go back to /leftypol/.

[Anonymous No.27646]

>>27562
Is that why liberal progressive parties won the elections in Holland, and now a major liberal and progressive will win in France?

I don't even like them, but I have to recognize they are winning, while their cousins, the commies, have to content themselves with the universities.

[Anonymous No.27663]

>>27548
> there is no centralized body capable to properly deciding what should be made how it should be priced
wait so your idea of socialism is essentially just capitalism except a small group of gubberment fellas plan it all? I mean if that were socialism I guess I'd agree with you that it sucks, but why would anyone advocate for that? Do you honestly think that's what Marx envisioned? stop being a classcuck and read, boy.

[Anonymous No.27699]

>>23498
april fools! :^)

[Anonymous No.27704]

>>27604
id rather take my little poly than lefty pol desu

[Anonymous No.27717]

>>27646
And yet in both of those countries the extreme far right is pulling record numbers of votes. Brexit won, Trump won, Abe won, Duterte won, and in every european nation the far right is growing by leaps and bounds. Feel free to be self congratulatory about leftists winning in countries where it is basically illegal to be too far right wing and no nationalist has won in decades. There's a storm coming and you can't stop it. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

[Anonymous No.27728]

>>27699

[Anonymous No.27736]

>>27663

that is the definition of socialism you pleb, put down the fantasy and learn about economics.

[Anonymous No.27739]

>>27646
>Is that why liberal progressive parties won the elections in Holland

What timeline are you posting this from? there isn't even a liberal progressive party in the top 3, D66 are centralize fucks that haven't contributed politically since 94, Labour and Socialist vote collapsed.

Baudet actually has fucking seats in parliament, that should be really worrying.

[Anonymous No.27748]

>>27728

[Anonymous No.27763]

>>27704
The problem with lefty/pol/ is that it's just not funny. As an enlightened supersmart centrist, I don't care for either, but at least /pol/ is kinda amusing, lefty/pol/ is just smug and annoying.
Maybe it's because I perceive /pol/ as either retarded or self-aware and therefore amusing, while I perceive lefty/pol/ as educated but not self-aware at all, so just annoying.

[Anonymous No.27803]

>>27663
anyone who relies as heavily on dialectics are marx does is a brainlet tbqf

[Anonymous No.27811]

>>27763
I'm legitimately bewildered people are only just discovering that outside of a 2~ hour comedy set leftists aren't funny, there's a reason conservative talk radio shows do 3-6 hours shows while liberal talk radio shows last 1 hour.

[Anonymous No.27844]

>>23893
>capitalism doesn't work because people are corrupt
said no socialist ever
>it's not fir that the factory owner makes money off of my labor even though he has to pay for marketing, distribution, raw materials, machinery, etc.
Yeah, he DESERVES those millions.

[Anonymous No.27865]

>>27748

[Anonymous No.27882]

>>27763
That's because /leftypol/ is for lefty politics, while /pol/ is for being a contrarian fuck with Reddit memes (and also right-wing politics). /pol/ has the legacy of once being funny, but /leftypol/ just has butthurt.
>>27865
Hardly a revolution. It was a coup by any definition.

[Anonymous No.27912]

>>27865

[Anonymous No.27933]

>>27912

[Anonymous No.27943]

>>27640
why would he be a communist if he doesn't think it works?

[Anonymous No.27947]

>>27933

[Anonymous No.27954]

Anon I don't know what you think you're doing but this guy is not exactly a Stalinist.

[Anonymous No.27969]

>>27947

[Anonymous No.27971]

>>27947
That's not what happened at all you stupid faggot.

Who wrote this? Send them to siberia /his/.

[Anonymous No.27977]

>tfw Lenin betrayed the revolution more than Stalin ever did

[Anonymous No.28001]

[Anonymous No.28002]

>>27943

because it's a noble goal regardless and there's still something to be said about historical materialism

he doesn't endorse previous nor current attempts at communism and defends the main focus of the left today should be figuring out the current system i.e. globalist capitalism

[Anonymous No.28021]

[Anonymous No.28033]

[Anonymous No.28049]

[Anonymous No.28065]

[Anonymous No.28074]

>>23778
THAT'S THE INEVITABLE RESULT YOU FUCKING INTELLIGENT MORON.

[Anonymous No.28079]

>>27977
This. Stalin was left to clean all those jews in cheka and central comitee that lenin brought to power

[Anonymous No.28087]

And, just to tie us back together with some good old fashioned Reddit hate

[Anonymous No.28100]

>>27763
it doesnt help that all their memes are just edits from /pol/

[Anonymous No.28108]

>>28074
In no wise is this true. Explain yourself.

[Anonymous No.28109]

>when leftists try to assuage their butthurt by desperately making their own edits of images

[Anonymous No.28126]

>>28109
>when /pol/tards judge political ideologies by how funny their memes are

[Anonymous No.28142]

>>28001
The joke is that Marx actually lost what, two children to starvation? It was partly because he wouldn't work, but one can't say he wasn't screwed at some point.

[Anonymous No.28147]

>>28126
Its 2018 m8

Memes are all that matter now.

[Anonymous No.28149]

>>28100
>>28109
You know this >>27912 meme started as anti-AnCap right

[Anonymous No.28168]

>>28149
shut up

[Anonymous No.28170]

>tfw I'm a College Republican with actual ties to big political players in my state and a bright future once I graduate
>tfw a combination of my seething hatred for all the bourgeois champagne """""""""""socialists""""""""""" I hang out with combined with /lit/ is turning me into a Marxist
pls help guys

[Anonymous No.28186]

>>28170
Read Stirner.

Realise your ambitions were always shit anyway.

[Anonymous No.28193]

>>28149
>started as anti-AnCap
it's a picardia you dunce

[Anonymous No.28199]

>>28186
>book uses logic
spook

[Anonymous No.28210]

>>28193
And it was first made political by colouring half of it black and making fun of ancaps.
>>28199
Correct.

[Anonymous No.28231]

>>28065
Yeah none of those groups were innocents.

This is the problem with leftypol memes, they're shit because you people totally lack originality. I mean this is the most half assed rip off of a decent meme. Even if for the sake of argument I granted that any of those leaders killed innocent people for the sake of capitalism (which is pants shitting retarded), the numbers just don't compare. The pinkertons killed dozens, a couple hundred tops, maybe a a few hundred thousand died in the Belgian Congo, a few thousand died each in Iran and Chile. That doesn't approach what Mao, Stalin, or Pol Pot did by several orders of magnitude. And while the later explicitly killed for ideology, none of the former did.

Y'all think we're dumb meatheads but really you're so wrapped up in post modernism truth and common sense got thrown out the window a while ago. The great test of an ideology is not if it is intellectually coherent, but if it is successful IRL. Capitalism is the greatest driver of human wealth and progress ever. Communism killed a hundred million and then collapsed from its own internal contradictions.

Res ipsa loquitor, faggot.

[Anonymous No.28241]

>>23530
>>23575

>Read all those books
>Learn nothing
How sad

[Anonymous No.28254]

>>28231
>Yeah none of those groups were innocents.
Ah, classic apologia.

Are you seriously going to defend the kulaks?
>This is the problem with leftypol memes
t. intellectual

The rise of capitalism coincided with a huge dive in living standards and life expectancy. But that's just a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.28264]

>>28126
The thing speaks for itself. If you can't make people laugh, you're probably wrong.

[Anonymous No.28290]

>>28186
>As it turns out the pill is empty.

[Anonymous No.28300]

>>28126
You realize that winning people over by making fun of the other guy is a strategy going back thousands of years right?

>he claims to be educated
>he takes himself very seriously
>he gets bullied into oblivion by shitposting bullies and everyone laughs at him

>>27882
>once being funny
>this fag thinks that bullying shia lebouef so hard he went to a secret cabin in finland to hide wasn't funny

kys

[Anonymous No.28303]

>>28170
Quit hanging out with commies, listen to Rush Limbaugh and read some Ann Couter or something.

[Anonymous No.28310]

>>28210
>And it was first made political
goalposts, etc.

>by colouring half of it black and making fun of ancaps
so it's a meme copied to be used by leftists to make fun of other leftists?
wow I'm really btfo now

>>28254
>Ah, classic apologia.
Try to start a violent revolution, get shot.
Talk shit, get hit.

[Anonymous No.28337]

>>28231
Also, several million died in the Belgian Congo. It's actually much worse than Pol Pot. And you don't appear to know what communism is. I'm anti-communist but people like you make me wish I wasn't.
>>28310
You copied and edited a left-wing meme, friend :^)

I don't think you know what ancaps are.

So you're not counting deaths from the counter-revolutionaries now?

[Anonymous No.28354]

/fitlit/ was a mistake

/fit/izens are still stuck in the /pol/ age.

[Anonymous No.28360]

there's not enough trashcans in the world to contain all this ideology

[Anonymous No.28369]

>>28264

Ah, a fellow advocate of affectocratic epistemology. So pleased to meet you.

[Anonymous No.28367]

>>28337
you're trying too hard

>I don't think you know what ancaps are.
anarchist, your own ilk

>So you're not counting deaths from the counter-revolutionaries now?
nah, you don't get to start the blood flowing and then cry when it's your turn

[Anonymous No.28384]

>>28354

>muh objective "progress"

[Anonymous No.28387]

>>28254
In that image you've got communists killed by Pinochet listed as "innocents" despite their desire to gulag their opponents.

The Congo Free State was the result of tribes using power given to them by the government to kill their rivals and therefore has very little to do with capitalism. It's basically just an earlier version of what happened in Rwanda in the 1990s.

In Iran, again, communists tried to establish a communist state and got killed for it.

Only the first one where Frick had workers killed for striking actually fits the whole "omg capitalism is bad" theme you've got going on there.

The reality is you always wanted to kill us, now that we realize that and counter you you cry out and demand mercy.

[Anonymous No.28389]

Daily reminder that commnuists are anti-intellectual, pseudointellectual edge lords that resort to arguments that rely on rhetoric rather than evidence (seize the meme of production!, alienation of the x, etc,etc...)

Commie manlets, when will they learn?
never

[Anonymous No.28401]

>>23484
He's funny. He's an intellectual who tells dirty jokes and triggers leftists who take themselves too seriously.

I would so love to see him on Joe Rogan.

[Anonymous No.28409]

*sniff*

[Anonymous No.28410]

>>28254
Pinkertons killed commie jew labor agitators, doing God's work. Leopold brought civilization to the niggers, who are rarely innocent and never people. The Shah was killing communists and religious nutjobs, again doing God's work. And Mi General was throwing commies out of helicopters defending his nation. Allende was a piece of shit and he got what he deserved.

Yes, because I am a kulak and proud to be one. Kulaks built society. Kulaks are the proletariat you profess to be so supportive of; your petit-bourgeoisie fatass is so condescending to those you proclaim to champion. Funny how its the blue collar workers and veterans in this country are the most right wing. Probably because they've seen how insincere and misguided your ideology is.

>The rise of capitalism coincided with a huge dive in living standards and life expectancy. But that's just a coincidence.
Being this retarded; kys.

[Anonymous No.28419]

>>28387

[Anonymous No.28423]

>>28337
>I'm anti-communist
>here's why you capitalists are bad

You're really bad at false flagging. The Congo had nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with some tribes being empowered by the government and abusing that power to massacre their ancestral enemies.

>>28354
>/pol/ age

We call that "reality", usually.

[Anonymous No.28434]

How are /pol/ and /leftypol/ relations?

I've heard they team up as they like to team up on individuals with names surrounded by several parentheses.

[Anonymous No.28455]

>>28254

>The rise of capitalism coincided with a huge dive in living standards and life expectancy.

That's why nobody takes people like you seriously.

[Anonymous No.28496]

>>28254
Nigga what? Living standards are higher than they've ever been in human history.

[Anonymous No.28530]

>>28387

Defense and killing opponents is really the reason why the first governments in history were created, thus showing how futile anarchism of anything really is.

[Anonymous No.28533]

>>27213
No, just that you probably lack the patience for needlessly complex language or intellectual peacocking

[Anonymous No.28537]

>>28434

depends on which one you're talking about

you're instantly banned from 8/pol/ if you mention /leftypol/ in a positive way

(in fact /leftypol/ was created because a bunch people that migrated to 8/pol/ were getting banned for having more left wing beliefs)

and 4/pol/ and /leftypol/'s relations are similar to the relations between the ussr and america after world war 2 but before the korean war

also they've teamed up a few times out of hatred of /r/socialism and the rest of the left wing political boards on reddit

[Anonymous No.28539]

>>28337
Sourcing for those deaths is shitty and you know it. Also niggers aren't people so as far as I'm concerned that number is pretty much zero.

You're a commie, or some special snowflake version thereof, and frankly I don't give a fuck if you think I don't know the score. You just said you wish you were a communist, not something an innocent person would say.

[Anonymous No.28551]

>>28369
I don't have a clue what that is but I like the cut of your jib fella.

[Anonymous No.28552]

>>28389

You've really got this projection thing down pat.

[Anonymous No.28612]

>>28254
>The rise of capitalism coincided with a huge dive in living standards and life expectancy. But that's just a coincidence.
The industrial revolution is the reason people even have leisure time.

[Anonymous No.28629]

>>28537
>8/pol/ has gotten worse in the past 12 months

I didn't think it was possible

[Anonymous No.28638]

>>23484
He's commie but Juche type anti-degeneracy commie not blue hair SJW commie.

[Anonymous No.28642]

>>28612
Not a commie, but that's not true. They had more leisure time because their work was tied to farming. Their quality of life was still lower though.

[Anonymous No.28651]

Also he supported and endorsed Donald Trump.

[Anonymous No.28666]

>>28612
bruh people had tons of down time and days off pre-industrial revolution. read about the early industrial revolution and how hard industrialists had to try to get workers used to an industrial work schedule, how lazy they said all the workers are, how they were all used to having too many days off and drinking in the middle of the day etc.

[Anonymous No.28680]

>>28642
Goddamn it Yuri, we know you're a red. Also have you ever farmed? Cause you don't get lesure time on a farm compared to a 9-5 unless you're having mexicans do all the work.

[Anonymous No.28688]

>>28651
zizek needs to stop being a pussy and embrace reactionary social conservatism, european chauvinism.

[Anonymous No.28697]

>>27308
Yeah, no common man has ever been a socialist! After all, the entire world is the post-WW2 United States!

[Anonymous No.28718]

>>28629

it can always be worse

they've gone from being so called fascists to neo-con dick lickers

saying israel is shit is also gets you a free ban even though defending jews will also get you banned

[Anonymous No.28742]

>>23919
this
>I don't like intellectuals--they represent a closed circle. I like the people because they are broad-minded. - Arkan

[Anonymous No.28744]

>>28642
>>28666
depends on who you were
working class no
but it was the first time people who werent aristocrats had leisure, like the growing middle class

[Anonymous No.28760]

>>23919
Reality doesn't exist, it's an ideology attached to existence.

[Anonymous No.28781]

>>28742
Arkan did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.28783]

>>28537
8chn is pretty bad as a whole because the mods can be whoever like on reddit
ive seen pictures of people banned for posting race statistics on leftypol

[Anonymous No.28801]

>>23919
Shit tier lazy response. You can be erudite and hate Marxism. Leftists tend to be wannabe intellectuals, however.

[Anonymous No.28805]

>>28760
That's gotta be one of those things that only makes sense after a few bong rips.

[Anonymous No.28822]

>>23919
Chiropractors think the same way.
>Read a bunch of books that are not evidence-based.
>"I am smert, SMERT!"
You may be different, but you are cut from the same pseudointellectual cloth.

[Anonymous No.28833]

>>26923
>What is /r9k/

[Anonymous No.28844]

>>28805
I've never used any form of marijuana or any other psychedelic.

You can replace 'reality' with cosmos if you'd like, they're the same nonsense.

[Anonymous No.28915]

>>28844
Reality and cosmos are not interchangable terms. Like not even close, they mean two entirely different things.

[Anonymous No.28997]

>>28915
Not in the way I'm using them, no. Both are ideologies attached to existence.

[Anonymous No.29003]

>>28915
Ooooookay buddy

[Anonymous No.29013]

>>28997
You don't get to do that.

[Anonymous No.29020]

>>29013
Yes I do

[Anonymous No.29126]

>>29020
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

[Anonymous No.29426]

[Anonymous No.29484]

>>29426
>private meme ownership
PYOTR
GET THE ICE PICK

[Anonymous No.29564]

>>23484
We love him BECAUSE he's a fellow commie. It's not easy being a leftist these days (and I mean an actual traditional leftist... identity politics stems from the right wing) given the constant bombardment of extreme right wing corporate propaganda masquerading as sensible slightly left-of-center information.

[Anonymous No.29835]

>>28142
His job was a journalist. Marx tried job-hunting, but the job market's always been bad.

Also two of Abe Lincoln's children died and he was the fucking President.

[Anonymous No.30462]

communism is a shitpile, but marxist critique and theory is useful for understanding the modern international circuit

[Anonymous No.30478]

>>27000
The Zyzzek

[Anonymous No.30582]

>>27213
yes you are

[Anonymous No.30661]

>>29564
I agree with everything you said, but:

>identity politics stems from the right wing
Could you explain this further?

[Anonymous No.30714]

>>29564
>constant bombardment of right wing propaganda
I hope you're joking, corporate propaganda isn't political, it serves its own interests. But there is tons of leftist propaganda everywhere

[Anonymous No.30724]

>>27643
>>he thinks capitalism is a comprehensive ideology
>he thinks it ISN'T
Believing that capitalism is a law of nature and not an ideology is basically the definition of pure ideology.

Capitalism is an ideology just like communism. It even has the same liberal Enlightenment basis.

[Anonymous No.31102]

>>30724
outside of government influence capitalism is the natural result. Monkeys taught how to use currency to buy fruit develop their own capitalist economy based on apples and prostitiution

[Anonymous No.31293]

>>31102
>monkeys taught to be capitalist by humans proves that capitalism is the state of nature
woah... my neurons... so this is what thinking feels like...

[Anonymous No.31471]

>>30724
>exchanging goods/services for other goods/services is ideology and not natural
>every communal animal on earth isn't natural and is just full of ideology
Communists are actually retarded, aren't you? Tell me about the bourgeois fat kat moneys trading fruit for sex and how they're keeping the proletariat monkeys down.

[Anonymous No.31482]

>>31102
okay, nerd

[Anonymous No.31497]

>>30714
Propaganda that serves the workers self interest isn't political. I do hope you see where you're going with these implications

[Anonymous No.31525]

>>28833
>/r9k/
>serious discussion

[Anonymous No.31544]

>>31482
human nature doesn't change with environment, that's why it's called human nature

>>31497
>the workers interest
it serves the interest of the (((people))) who push for it while living in their wealthy homogeneous gated communities.

[Anonymous No.31579]

>>31102

>when taught about one of the building blocks of capitalism, monkeys become capitalist

weird

[Anonymous No.31585]

>>31471
Not that guy, nor a communist, but you my man are haunted as fuck.

What the fuck do communal animals have to do with the ideology that is capitalism?

[Anonymous No.31586]

>>23997
>>24121
>>28074

[Anonymous No.31595]

>>28087
Top Kenser

[Anonymous No.31601]

>>31544
the environment is part of nature though

[Anonymous No.31615]

>>23893
>paying for stuff is hard work, therefore I should get colossally greater amounts of money than I need to pay for stuff

[Anonymous No.31641]

>>31585
Because communal animals typically trade services/resources for services/resources, which is the basis of capitalism? When a money whores itself out for a banana, that's capitalism.

[Anonymous No.31643]

>>31601
human nature is caused by our biology/neurology, environment is irrelevant

>>31615
>I own a this factory and paid for all the cost to run it, but you know, I should pay every worker the exact same amount

[Anonymous No.31647]

Communism is human nature, capitalism is an unnatural system propagated by the state.

[Anonymous No.31656]

>>31482
Then why did every Communist regime need to be forced

[Anonymous No.31661]

>>31643
but children's brains develop differently based on their environment.

[Anonymous No.31666]

>>24531
Proprietarian - eu name for american "libertarian" since "libertarian" originally meant french anarcho-communist

[Anonymous No.31668]

>>31647
statelessness is human nature, communism is the state and is unnatural

[Anonymous No.31683]

hegel was a hack and so is this idiot

remember what the greatest german philosopher had to say about memegel

>that clumsy and nauseating charlatan, that pernicious person, who completely disorganized and ruined the minds of a whole generation

[Anonymous No.31691]

>>31668
there's no "state" in communism, idiot

[Anonymous No.31701]

>>27113
>calories

Ideology is a matter of quality not quantity. You can no more quantify ideology than you can qualify abstract labor under capitalist mode of production

[Anonymous No.31707]

>>31585
he... he literally wrote it in the post

[Anonymous No.31713]

>>28697
This

[Anonymous No.31721]

>>31691
who enforces law? who jails the murderers etc.?

[Anonymous No.31724]

>>31691
then on what authority am I required to participate in a communist society? why am I not allowed to live innawoods with my guns separate from the system in a communist world?

[Anonymous No.31726]

>>31647
hunter gatherer societies (so basically mob rule) are human nature, everything else has to be enforced

[Anonymous No.31732]

>>27338
are u forgetting about global heating?

[Anonymous No.31738]

>>31641
This degenerate "naturalistic justification for the validity of capitalism" meme has got to die.

"Capitalism" is literally that: a system based on capital. By your logic, all historical barter and mercantile economies, in fact all means of exchange, are "capitalist," because you have redefined "capitalism" to mean "any system of exchange."

CAPITALISM involves CAPITAL, which cannot exist without state-defined CURRENCY. When a monkey whores itself out for a banana, that's PRIMITIVE BARTER because it involves no capital. Fiat currency (the "idea of money" that you hold so dear) was invented in the 18th century.

No one agrees with your definition of capitalism save decadent wagecucks who want to justify their enthrallment, which is to say, no one who knows what the word actually means.

[Anonymous No.31750]

>>28697
>>31713
so few of them tho, they vote right-wing

>i know better than you that you are oppressed!
>why dont you still get it? urgh
cringe

[Anonymous No.31752]

>>23751
I hear this a lot, almost akin to not real communism.

What the fuck are you guys actually discussing? Ideology still? When the race war is at our doorsteps? Please point me to some commie shit that discusses racial demographics and their realities.

I am genuinely intrigued.

[Anonymous No.31843]

>>31726
hunter gather societies are enforced. there is not human nature but rather human natures. there is evidence, such as Robert Sapolsky's Keekorok Baboon study, that behavioural norms are closer to culturally influenced rather than instinctual.

[Anonymous No.31857]

>>31721
>>31724
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm
>From the moment all members of society, or at least the vast majority, have learned to administer the state themselves, have taken this work into their own hands, have organized control over the insignificant capitalist minority, over the gentry who wish to preserve their capitalist habits and over the workers who have been thoroughly corrupted by capitalism--from this moment the need for government of any kind begins to disappear altogether. The more complete the democracy, the nearer the moment when it becomes unnecessary. The more democratic the “state” which consists of the armed workers, and which is "no longer a state in the proper sense of the word", the more rapidly every form of state begins to wither away.

>For when all have learned to administer and actually to independently administer social production, independently keep accounts and exercise control over the parasites, the sons of the wealthy, the swindlers and other "guardians of capitalist traditions", the escape from this popular accounting and control will inevitably become so incredibly difficult, such a rare exception, and will probably be accompanied by such swift and severe punishment (for the armed workers are practical men and not sentimental intellectuals, and they scarcely allow anyone to trifle with them), that the necessity of observing the simple, fundamental rules of the community will very soon become a habit.

>Then the door will be thrown wide open for the transition from the first phase of communist society to its higher phase, and with it to the complete withering away of the state.

[Anonymous No.31889]

>>31857
>For when all have learned to administer and actually to independently administer social production
dropped

[Anonymous No.31894]

>>31738
>by your logic, all historical barter and mercantile economies, in fact all means of exchange, are "capitalist," because you have redefined "capitalism" to mean "any system of exchange."
If I trade you 5 hams for a bucket of nails, we've both agreed that it is a fair trade. That 5 hams are worth a bucket of nails. Currency is a way of abstracting the worth of items into a form that is easy to carry and divide since it's hard to trade 5 3/36ths of a ham for the approximate number of nails. Capitalism is still bartering it's just using a medium that takes the place of an item being bartered.

Everything from shiny rocks, tools, shells have all been used as currency and none of it has required a centralized state.

In short, communists are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.31901]

>>24999
imagine actually believing any of this

[Anonymous No.31921]

>>31857
>makes a state but doesn't call it a state so it isn't a state.
all you've done is replace one state with another.

[Anonymous No.31937]

>>28170
Read this:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/ch01.htm

Value, price, and profit

[Anonymous No.31953]

This merge is a mistake. I'd rather be with fucking /soc/ than these overconfident uncultured /fit/ fags.

[Anonymous No.32001]

>>31683
>Schoppy
>Greatest German philosopher
Oh I am laffen, thnx JPMoot for this hilarious prank xD

[Anonymous No.32021]

reminder that communism commands authority over individuals and is therefore a spook

[Anonymous No.32023]

>>31889
wow nice argument
>>31921
how is it another state? if nobody is subjected to anyone else's power since there's no government, there can't be a state

[Anonymous No.32030]

>>28410
>Kulaks are the proletariat
They're definitively not though

[Anonymous No.32035]

>>31894
>Capitalism is still bartering it's just using a medium that takes the place of an item being bartered.
That's why it's not the same thing as bartering, you fucking idiot. The word "barter" is defined as an exchange that doesn't involve money. You don't even have to read anything Marxist, if you'd read a fraction of Wealth of Nations we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Fuck's sake, this is ridiculous. I cannot believe that person like you is competent to use a keyboard, read a monitor, and understand that the former effects the latter.

[Anonymous No.32039]

>>31894
what about societies who don't develop sophisticated ideas of ownership? like early contact North East Indian tribes, where exchange was symbolic rather than materially focused. this kind of exchange system can still be found in the andes today.

[Anonymous No.32069]

>>32021
>communism commands authority over individuals
source?
....
individuals would be more free with communism than any other system, there's no state to command anyone to do anything

[Anonymous No.32101]

>>32023
you are a fucking retard if you think *all* have the mental capabilities to administer everything

[Anonymous No.32112]

>>32069
communism has failed literally every single fucking time and ended up as authoritarian as shit

[Anonymous No.32115]

>>32069
then what's the difference between communism and ancap?

[Anonymous No.32119]

>>32039
those stay poor

[Anonymous No.32142]

>>32039
they stay poor and desolate. Are you seriously fucking telling me you dickheads want to go back to a tribal-style society

[Anonymous No.32143]

>>32035
>That's why it's not the same thing as bartering, you fucking idiot
Money is worth something because both parties have agreed that it has worth and that it can be exchanged for goods and services. If I have 15 people working for me and I pay them in hams instead of in money that can be used to buy hams, it's not capitalism? Are you fucking stupid? Bartering is capitalism you mongoloid.
>>32039
>what about societies who don't develop sophisticated ideas of ownership?
You honestly believe that they'd let you mooch off them? That they'd support you indefinitely? They'd still expect you to either support the group with food/materials or through work. Which you'd trade for their continued support.

[Anonymous No.32156]

>>31894
All of these are a method of abstracting value, but actual use value is qualitative not quantitative. Qualitative and quantitative are incomparable. There is a third metaphysical object that dictates exchange of one item to another or one item to the money-commodity when qualitative use values are incomparable and subjective. This is called value, the relation of commodities in themselves to the apportioning of society's labor to the production of commodities. Prices are the negation of values by demand, and the negation of the negation (the negation of prices) is profit.

"Barter" is a fiction that exists to create a subjectivist view of economics, which has never been a socially organizing force in history (money was invented during the invention of agriculture before which were tribal gift economies)

[Anonymous No.32168]

>>31750
There were actually a good number of left-leaning working class people throughout the 20th century even in the US, its just that the various 3-letter agencies who are in the pockets of big business have been there to subvert any sort of worker's movement. The most recent example of this is by intentionally creating all the "SJW" nonsense in order to derail the Occupy movement and create a bunch of far-right reactionaries, and unfortunately they seem to have succeeded. Then again, if the system continues to screw the people over hard enough they may become disillusioned with right-wing economics, while Bernie has quickly become the most popular politician in the country by actually fighting for the little guy, so we'll have to see how that goes.

[Anonymous No.32192]

>>32115
No property or money

[Anonymous No.32217]

>>32142
no, I'm saying poor is relative and determined on your cognitive virtue of wealth. those societies aren't poor because they don't conceive wealth like we do. they are not desolate either.

[Anonymous No.32224]

>>32192
then what stops someone from creating property or money?

[Anonymous No.32225]

>>32112
communism would be successful if capitalists would stop fucking it up every time someone tries. the capitalists are trying to protect their wealth
the authoritarianism is only needed for a short while to transition to communism, the state goes away completely eventually
>>32115
there's no such thing as private property in communism, for one thing
ancap can't work because corporations would just act as a state and have power over people

[Anonymous No.32231]

>>32156
>which were tribal gift economies
Funnily enough, you still needed to provide for the group in some way of those 'gifts' would dry up for some reason. But I'm sure that trading your labor and or goods for the support of other people is in no way anyway close to 'bartering' or 'capitalism'.

[Anonymous No.32232]

>>32143
>If I have 15 people working for me and I pay them in hams instead of in money that can be used to buy hams, it's not capitalism?
You've presupposed that people are in a labor force under you, which is a conceit of propriety that only exists in capitalism anyway.

But to the point: if you agree to give someone "hams" in exchange for e.g. tilling a field that is NOT a capitalist exchange. I'm sorry you don't understand this. Maybe you should learn how to properly define words before entering a discussion.

>Bartering is capitalism you mongoloid.
It is, literally, not. Again, learn or relearn how to define words. You are denser than the weights you probably spend your days lifting

[Anonymous No.32248]

>>23484

Communism doesn't work as a political system, but it does offer some accurate and interesting insights into society and psychology. It's good for analysis, not for basing a society on.

Zizek is one of the rare modern communists who actually has a sense of humor and perceives to some extent that the hyper-PC movement in leftism is a cult. He can also be rather perceptive.

I think that he nails the Europe migrant issue: multiculti leftists who pretend that there is no problem are deluded, but the right-wing populists who want to bring back authoritarian nationalism are much worse. Migrants threaten Europe's body, but the right-wing populists threaten its soul.

That said, he isn't perfect. His understanding of many things is lacking. For example, I don't think he actually has any advanced understanding of economics or science. But he is good in his area of interest.

[Anonymous No.32260]

>>32143
that's how our society works. your trying to compare your idea of kinship to their society which doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.32272]

>>27126

No. Truly smart people are not socialists. Nor are they right-wingers. Nor are they libertarians.

Truly smart people are classical liberals.

You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.32277]

>>32232
>But to the point: if you agree to give someone "hams" in exchange for e.g. tilling a field that is NOT a capitalist exchange. I'm sorry you don't understand this. Maybe you should learn how to properly define words before entering a discussion.
>Giving someone hams in exchange for work isn't capitalism
>giving someone a trade good such as gold that they believe is worth ham(x) is totally different
Are you guys even trying?
>It is, literally, not. Again, learn or relearn how to define words. You are denser than the weights you probably spend your days lifting
So if I barter shiny gold coins for hams, that totally isn't capitalism?

[Anonymous No.32287]

>>32231
Do you even understand what the words "gift economy" mean?

[Anonymous No.32298]

>>32168
Nice theory about 3-letter agencies creating identity politics... but unless you have some proof, I don't see how it's anything more than speculation.

[Anonymous No.32307]

>>32272
Defining urself as truly smart wow good strategy u have proven your ideology as supreme

[Anonymous No.32320]

>>24999
literally all these are examples of failures

[Anonymous No.32323]

>>27075
/lit/ just likes to be contrarian ie against whatever the rest of 4chan is for

right now we have the alt-right desu

[Anonymous No.32338]

>>32298
Take a look at 4chan you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.32339]

>>28697
>After all, the entire world is the post-WW2 United States!
I mean the US was socialist after the war man..

[Anonymous No.32343]

Zizek is probably the biggest pseudo-intellectual of our time.

>doesn't accept human instincts exist

Why does he deny scientific facts?

[Anonymous No.32357]

Daily reminder that dialectical materialism is pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.32359]

>>32287
The fact that no society runs solely on a 'gift economy'? And that those instances are relegated to mostly religious acts? I guess America is a 'gift economy' since churches run soup kitchens.

[Anonymous No.32368]

>the collapse of capitalism is inevitable they said