/grrm/ - George R. R. Martin General

[Anonymous No.23475904]

barristan's new knights edition
old: >>23433463

[Anonymous No.23475912]

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Red_Lamb
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Larraq
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Tumco_Lho
there's a lot of tertiary characters that i want to see more of in the next books. these niggas are among them.

[Anonymous No.23475994]

>>23469061
I've seen the Hard Fantasy label being applied to ASOIAF and I think it fits. It's a counterpart to Hard Sci-Fi: plausible world with consistent internal logic.

>>23468349
The show fundamentally doesn't understand that at it's heart, it's about legacy and how honour and justness forge it.
Ned and Joffrey are the greatest examples.
>Ned is executed, his reputation and legacy as a just and honourable man means everyone is literally up in arms.
>After his son gets murdered and the Northern Army slaughtered, his throne usurped by the Boltons, the Northerners lick their wounds while engaging in the Grand Northern Conspiracy.
>MULTIPLE (possibly at least 3) conspiracies, most likely. Some are interconnected without knowing it. All started separately, all to save Ned's little ones.
>Nearly everyone who was in any way loyal or friendly to Ned lends their aid to his family, ready to send soldiers to fuck up the Boltons. They're ready to kneel to Stannis, if only he help liberate the northern folk from the Ironborn and find the Stark children.

>Joffrey gets assassinated, everyone shrugs, most are elated the wicked child is gone.

There was a /got/ thread screencap I forgot to save which says all this much more eloquently.

[Anonymous No.23476224]

Would you consider Robert a kinslayer?

[Anonymous No.23476585]

>>23476224

No because Rhaegar wasn't a king? He was a prince.

[Anonymous No.23476594]

>>23476585
dyslexibro...
>>23476224
>kinslayer
Because Orys was a targ bastard?

[Anonymous No.23477063]

>>23476224
For cause of his grandmother? Because even if you were to consider the Orys thing >>23476594 they are far too removed, its two houses of different races no less. Its not like the Karstark or the Blackfyre which are actual branch houses.

[Anonymous No.23477148]

Why did Game of Thrones completely miss the mark at making some good vidya? It was perfect for a Total War tie in. There was only a telltale game and some shitty mobile game.

[Anonymous No.23477315]

>>23477063
>For cause of his grandmother?
Yes.

>Aegon V ---> Jaehaerys II ---> Aerys II ---> Rhaegar
>Aegon V ---> Rhaelle ---> Steffon ---> Robert

So is it kinslaying?

[Anonymous No.23477617]

>>23477148
the perfect setting for an open world RPG yet it will never come to be

[Anonymous No.23477682]

>>23477148
Play the Warband mods

[Anonymous No.23477722]

>>23477315
I don’t think so. Westeros is pretty strange when it comes to kinslaying, it seems to be a title more applied when killing a brother, father, son, nephew or uncle rather than a second cousin. The wiki calls robert a kinslayer but I wouldn’t consider him one, especially since he is of a different house than Rhaegar

[Anonymous No.23477748]

[Anonymous No.23477753]

>>23477722
Weren't both Robb and Jon called kinslayers by two different Karstarks?

[Anonymous No.23477792]

>>23477753
Robb yes, but idk how true that is considering the Karstarks separated thousands of years beforehand and Rickard was probably just trying to keep his head. If Robb killing him was an act of kinslaying then no noble could kill anyone because there is sure to be a blood link somewhere with all the intermarriages between families. I can’t remember Jon being called kinslayer in the books at least. In the show he killed his aunt, so there’s that I guess

[Anonymous No.23477812]

>>23477748
What a doofus

[Anonymous No.23477916]

>>23477792
>Rickard was probably just trying to keep his head
Cregan too, when Jon put him in the ice cells.

[Anonymous No.23477919]

This man lives in my head and pays $0 in rent. I think about TWOW at least once a week.

[Anonymous No.23477932]

>>23477916
Found an answer from George:
https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Kinslaying_in_Westeros

[Anonymous No.23478184]

Worldbuilding is a bitch I'm struggling with Essos and Westeros

We're six books in what could he possibly be struggling with to write in Westeros that we haven't seen before? I get Essos is probably a lot harder to flesh out but I think it is Asshai he is struggling with most and how to best bring it into the story my best guess is through either Mel's flashbacks or Moqorro could be used as an info dump on the place if my theory of Victarion saving Daenerys from the Dothraki turn out to be true and she sees it as another miralce of R'hllor potentially adopting its worship and practices as her main relgion

[Anonymous No.23478240]

>>23478184
I don't think it's the world holding him back but the ridiculously entangled plotlines and hundreds of characters who have to end up in specific places by specific times e.g. Dany actually going to westeros.

remember that he started writing this story as a trilogy.

[Anonymous No.23478293]

>>23477315
No the houses are not connected. When dealing with different races/cultures being over one generation is usually enough to sever kinship.
>>23477792
The Karstarks ARE the Starks of Kahold, literally. Being a branch house is not just a title retard. They've intermingled the most with them and vice versa over however many centuries they've existed, at any given moment they are like cousins. They do in fact share alot of blood, so even if Rickard wanted save himself his claim has weight. Robb was a kinslayer, albeit a somewhat distant one.

[Anonymous No.23478306]

>>23477748
He certainly got an object lesson to change his opinion.

[Anonymous No.23478344]

>>23478293
Karstarks are not Starks. You could argue that they're still a cadet branch but the point of divergence was said to be a thousand years ago. They're as much a cadet branch of the Starks as the Baratheons are of the Targaryens.

[Anonymous No.23478494]

Make it make sense.

[Anonymous No.23478545]

>>23475912
>I am not afraid. Should I die, I will go before the Great Shepherd of Lhazar, break his crook across my knee, and say to him, "Why did you make your people lambs, when the world is full of wolves?" Then I will spit into his eye.
Very cool

[Anonymous No.23478601]

>>23478306
You’re not wrong.

Season 7 and 8 was probably was an eye opener for him for sure kek.

[Anonymous No.23478623]

by chance twow releases by the end of this year or next year. Will the old fart still have enough breathe to finish rest of the series?

[Anonymous No.23478630]

>>23478623

I feel like we'll get some update on The Winds of Winter next month during the 13th anniversary of A Dance with Dragons. It feels like it would be the perfect time to announce the book is done

[Anonymous No.23478665]

>Brimstone pollution warning in my town from the quarterly volcanic eruption.
So this is what Dragonstone is like, I walked outside before I knew and thought the air was nicer than usual without realizing.

[Anonymous No.23478759]

>>23478494
I fucking hate this

[Anonymous No.23478772]

>>23478623
lol no
If Gurm wants to see his series finished while he's still alive, he'll need to hire a ghost writer asap

[Anonymous No.23478792]

>>23478772
What George needs on top of a ghost writer is: a small hotel room in western Kansas that he's been locked in, a month's supply of cocaine and adderall, 1 terabyte of porn, and a typewriter. If he had all that, the entire series would be done at the end of the month.

[Anonymous No.23478814]

>>23478759
at least they've interacted before

[Anonymous No.23478963]

>>23478184
George has written himself into a corner. He gave away the conceptual ending to the HBO showrunners, they implemented it in the shittiest way possible and tainted that ending. So now he can't find a satisfying conclusion to his story. At least he made bank by pimping out his baby.

[Anonymous No.23479068]

>>23478184
There is no need to bring Asshai in the story.

[Anonymous No.23479394]

>>23478545
>assuming that the Great Shepherd of Lhazar would allow in his presence someone who acts like an LA nigga who just ran out of crack

[Anonymous No.23479430]

>>23478963

At this point I would be fine with a triumvirate of Aegon-Sansa and Bran ruling Westeros after everything is over and done with Bran is Hand but he's some Leto II abomination offering council and advice from his Weirwood throne.

Or maybe we could get the original ending GRRM planned with a snow covered graveyard stretching for miles and someone standing among it possibly after The Others win but it would potentially hint humanity would recover so kind of bittersweet.

>>23479068

We could still get it through flashbacks of Mel or Moqorro mentioning it but we don't need to go directly there it could still have huge influence on events.

[Anonymous No.23479489]

>>23478963
The HBO show is without a doubt the worst thing to happen to ASOIAF, but not because they tainted his story outline. The root of all problems is exactly this:
>he made bank by pimping out his baby
The show made him stinkin' rich beyond his wildest imagination and has provided him with a steady stream of passive income for the rest of his days. Relieved of all financial pressure, George has been free to succumb to his worst impulses, which obviously has manifested itself as a penchant for procrastination. He'll happily let himself be distracted by dozens of side projects just to avoid the hard and uncomfortable work of doing his duty as a writer and finishing ASOIAF. There really is no coming back from this.

[Anonymous No.23479540]

>>23477748
That's fucking hilarious. What a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.23479588]

>>23478759
Based beyond belief

[Anonymous No.23479709]

He's going to announce it at WorldCon I feel it in my bones

[Anonymous No.23479767]

>>23475994
>plausible world
You think 100k people being able to stay in the same place - in a frozen tundra no less - and survive for even a single day is plausible?

[Anonymous No.23480567]

>>23479767
They had medieval green houses, don't question it sperg.

[Anonymous No.23480596]

>>23478184
>>23479068
Whatever Dany might learn in Asshai she could learn from Quaithe. Dany can either go to Qarth in Winds or Quaithe could meet her or Quaithe could talk to Dany in a dream.You don't need to have Dany go to Asshai.

[Anonymous No.23480605]

>>23480596
You do if you want to fulfill the prophecies.

[Anonymous No.23480616]

>>23477315
Aerys and Steffon saw themselves as kin (I think), but Rhaegar and Robert didn't.
Stannis also didn't use the family argument when he debated why he would consider supporting Robert as wrong. Stannis saw it as illegal because Aerys was his king, not because they were related to the Targs.

[Anonymous No.23480660]

>>23480616
Dunno about Robert but Rhaegar probably did see them as kin.

[Anonymous No.23480713]

>>23480596
This and if you want to learn more about the Others, the Long Night, we have Bran, the Children of the Forest (and the Green Men), Sam might learn stuff from the Citadel as well.
>>23480605
Which prophecies?
And the story is about the fight for the Iron Throne and against the Others, both are in Westeros.

[Anonymous No.23480726]

>>23480713
the one about her having to go east to go west

[Anonymous No.23480746]

>>23480713
>Which prophecies?
>And the story is about the fight for the Iron Throne and against the Others, both are in Westeros.
Anon, I...

>“To go north, you must journey south. To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward you must go back, and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.”

[Anonymous No.23480794]

>>23475904
I hate him so much.

[Anonymous No.23480796]

>>23480794
>eboni booth
We gave up the Wall for this.

[Anonymous No.23480799]

>>23480796
>Eboni Booth dreamed up the story that became “Primary Trust” for a school assignment. She was a playwriting fellow at Juilliard, and she decided to write about a guy who works at a bank. At the time, she drank mai tais, and soon, so did her protagonist.
Writing!

[Anonymous No.23480801]

>>23480799
>I’ve been working with HBO, trying to figure out what a television show could be.
Sounds like a real banger.

[Anonymous No.23480818]

>>23480726
Martin said in 2008 and 2016 that no character would go to Asshai. All we can get is a glimpse of the city via Melisandre's memories.

[Anonymous No.23480858]

>>23480818
Martin says a lot of things

[Anonymous No.23480860]

>>23480818
Martin also said "and probably moon boy too *farts* *stuffs meat into mouth*"

[Anonymous No.23481073]

>>23477682
I tried but I just don't like the base game desu

[Anonymous No.23481085]

>>23480660
What would've happened if Jaime killed Robert at the trident?

[Anonymous No.23481152]

>>23480818
We both know that Dany is going to go further east for the sake of le worldbuilding in the next book

[Anonymous No.23481311]

>>23477148
Essos would be pretty good. You would need to trade to be able to afford to "gift" the Dothraki khalasars passing by, rent Second Sons or buy Unsullied.

[Anonymous No.23481412]

She has been going east for five fucking books, she is not getting anywhere near Asshai. IF that was ever the plan, it has clearly changed. Quaithe herself is entirely unneeded at point as there are TWO magicians going Dany's way, so you know the fat fuck is course correcting. Passing beneath the shadow likely means Vaes Dothrak not the actual shadowlands.

[Anonymous No.23481426]

>>23477148
The telltale games choice based point and click is very good! but you can only play it once, and really try to get into the RP

[Anonymous No.23481489]

>>23479767
I'd say there's a lot in his world that wouldn't really work if you thoroughly think it through, most of the world wonders would never be built for the absurd size alone. But it is cool to think that they're there anyway.
Why not a city with three consecutive walls with degenerate imagery carved into it.
Or a wall of ice that's moronically giant. You need to make a logical leap of faith for any fantasy, I appreciate that in his works if it does it's at least for something that's neat for the sake of it, than to fill in plot holes. Though if winds of winter take much longer that might end up being a feature as well.

[Anonymous No.23481503]

>>23479394
>Implying the Great Shepherd of Lhazar isn't a freak like that and wouldn't fuck /w LA niggas

[Anonymous No.23481724]

>>23477748
>>23477812
>>23478306
>>23479540
Idiots. The Lord of the Rings by Peter Jackson aren’t the books either, and the author would have probably hated them for the most part, but they were perfectly acceptable adaptions. His point is that an adaption HAS to suck now. There’s a lot of fucking politics and representation shit in them, and many showrunners are too far up their own ass, to the point where a fuck ton of them think they know better, a lot better, than the actual author.

Compare Jackson’s work to Amazon’s.

[Anonymous No.23481730]

>>23481724
>His point is that an adaption HAS to suck now
Are you sure that's his point? I am certain that his point is that people who adapt books to film need to stop changing the core content and trying to sound deep by saying "the film is the film, the book is the book". This is ironically funny because this was exactly word for word what George has said in the past about Game of Thrones vs the books.

[Anonymous No.23481734]

>>23477748
while the hypocrisy is funny, can you imagine watching s1-4, seeing your work being faithfully adapted with actors giving it their all, seeing it explode into a worldwide phenomenon... and then completely fall flat on its face, all because he couldn't finish a book.
It must be soul crushing.

[Anonymous No.23481736]

>>23481730
>Are you sure that's his point?
Yea? Can you fucking read? Also, why in the actual fuck are you in the grrm general if you’re just going to seethe and be pissy about something you’re clearly not all that grateful for?

[Anonymous No.23481738]

>>23481730
The man was fine with the changes to his own content, whatever. There’s a limit to creative interpretations, and you’re a dolt if you can’t see that.

[Anonymous No.23481752]

>>23481736
You seem extra retarded and defensive for no reason. I can still enjoy the story and even like GRRM and make fun of him for his dumb decisions and takes you know.
>>23481738
He doesn't seem fine with it now does he. Maybe he should have known better and finished the books before making everyone stomach that abomination of a show.

[Anonymous No.23481775]

>>23481752
You can’t into nuance. Sad!

[Anonymous No.23481777]

>>23481734
>s1-4,
those were bad too

[Anonymous No.23481787]

>>23481777
How so?

[Anonymous No.23481859]

>>23481775
>muh nuance

You’re a fucking faggot dude.

[Anonymous No.23482008]

>>23481152
She'll go to Vaes Dothrak, that's all.
There's nothing in Asshai you can't learn from Bran.

[Anonymous No.23482392]

this guys put into words what i ve been thinking for weeks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM9AZk6PIVo&ab_channel=QuinnTheGM
do you think winds is coming after hotd s2???

[Anonymous No.23482404]

>>23482392
>Guys are going to get winds after this season?

People said the same thing after S1 dude.

[Anonymous No.23482405]

>>23482392
At the end of 2023, Martin said he was having trouble with the book, that he hadn't written anything that year.
If he had made progress, if he was close to the end, he would have happily announced it.

[Anonymous No.23482407]

>>23482392
the wait has turned many into schizos. sad!

[Anonymous No.23482409]

>>23482392
>do you think winds is coming after hotd s2???
No.

And frankly, I get some morbid satisfaction from the idea that the last we ever see of Dany from Martin's pen will forever be the infamous scene of her shitting herself to death. In a twisted way it's just about the perfect place to leave the unfinished work hanging.

[Anonymous No.23482494]

Only on book 1. Already bored of dannys chapters.

[Anonymous No.23482780]

>>23482494
On my first reading of the five books, I skipped every Dany chapter. Heck, I didn't read a single Essos chapter outside Braavos until Tyrion got there. You won't really miss much by skipping Dany. You can always go back and read her chapters by themselves.

[Anonymous No.23482896]

>>23482780
Besides her visions, is there really much difference from the show? Other than georges cunny posting

[Anonymous No.23483052]

>>23482392
buy an ad

[Anonymous No.23483068]

>>23482392
Nah I honestly thought at the beginning of the year we'd have it before the start of House of Dragons but it's just over. Especially with George talking about how he's lost in the sauce world building Essos shit recently.

[Anonymous No.23483376]

>>23482392
I'm not watching the video but i too think TWOW will be out soon
Also buy an ad nigger

[Anonymous No.23483406]

>>23482392
I've been reading the books since I was a kid. Waiting for Winds has become a part of me.

[Anonymous No.23483936]

>>23482392
Nah. I gave up waiting on WoW last year. If it comes, great. But it really probably won't.

[Anonymous No.23484228]

>>23481085
the same that would've happened had Rhaegar been the one who killed him - Targs won, Ned would've probably been spared had he not died in battle, Twyin would support Targs, Stannis is forgiven, Rhaegar takes over the kingdom deposing his father, the realm would enter an age of relative peace and prosperity, Rhaegar possibly brings Lyanna and Jon into court (possible tensions with the Martells), grooms Jon and Aegon as princes and something something prophecy of the Prince that was Promised

but honestly there's no way Jaime would've defeated Robert
in figthing abillities Robert in his prime was the setting's Conan, he could kill the Mountain in single combat

[Anonymous No.23484311]

>>23483068
>>23483936
how do you give up?
i heard so many people who say that
but i just don t get it, how do you come to terms that winds won t come out and are ok with it
how?
whenever i hear the words winds of winter, i feel sad and wish it were out by now
i just can t understand how one can be at peace that george won t finish the series

[Anonymous No.23484365]

>>23475904
What is stopping this man from finishing/publishing his next work? Does he really have writer's block, or has he just quietly retired without officially announcing it?

[Anonymous No.23484435]

What's with Australians and making videos about ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.23484515]

>>23482392
Okay so
>on a blog he says he'll hope to have more Dunk & Egg done by the time the series catches up
>says he'll only write those after WoW
So... Winds confirmed in the next couple of years?
No! You foolish child.

[Anonymous No.23484526]

>be GRRM
>it's 1985
>Hmm, today I will write a novel about Jack the Ripper
>ffw to 2015
>Yes I'm going to finish it
>be GRRM
>it's 1996
>Yeah, this Avalon novel really isn't going anywhere... let's drop it
And then you wonder why it is that Winds of Winter fails to materialize?

[Anonymous No.23484569]

>>23484311
I'm not okay with it, but after 13+ years of waiting for it, you just move on. I'll 100% read the book if it comes out but I've accepted we're never getting it. And even if we did I think it's going to be a massive disappointment because it's going to focus far more on the world than progressing the plot.

[Anonymous No.23484593]

>>23484435
>glidus
>alt shift x
>eldric stoneskin
>that one guy who voices certain iconic scenes
Anybody else?

[Anonymous No.23484886]

>>23484569
>I'll 100% read the book
It better have a banger of an opener or I'll drop it. No patience for the fat man.

[Anonymous No.23484901]

Was droggos wound actually poisoned or did the goat woman just take credit?

[Anonymous No.23484942]

>>23484901
Infections happen.

[Anonymous No.23484998]

What's Arianne's IQ?

[Anonymous No.23485053]

>>23482392
the worldcon thing is the only real possibility and that is pure cope anyway

[Anonymous No.23485067]

What is the smallest change that would have the biggest impact on the main story?

[Anonymous No.23485074]

>>23484942
>Infections happen.
Reminds me of how hólmgöngur, AKA viking duels used to have a much higher than 50% fatality rate. I could swear I read a saga about two dudes fighting such a duel to a stalemate, retiring amicably, then both succumbing to their wounds.
>>23485067
Bran doesn't fall victim to the amnesia trope.

[Anonymous No.23485090]

>>23485074
Seems more realistic at least. How tf does he have amnesia if his legs were the broken part

[Anonymous No.23485096]

Fat.
Pink.
Masts.

[Anonymous No.23485139]

>>23484998
Between 97 and 102. You can dock her marks for being D*rnish

[Anonymous No.23485163]

Which scenario would you prefer for the A Dream of Spring finale

1) Invasion of Aegon happens then invasion of Daenerys goes full batshit having her roles reversed where she becomes Robert Baratheon in this scenario and Aegon and Sansa are the equivalent of Lyanna and Rhaegar. Daenerys dies. Aegon and Sansa become king and queen after dealing wtith The Others and their Long Night Bran becomes acting as Hand from his Weirwood throne offering council and advice on how to best influence humanity. Peace and prosperity are brought to Westeros as the child of Aegon and Sansa is hailed as The Prince who Was Promised

2) The Long Night happens The Others bring desolation and destruction with them everywhere they go as they march all across Westeros. Bran manages to find safe refugee on The Isle of Faces and there is a 10,000 year time jump or something like that the war with The Others is over after signing a peace treaty things start to rebuild it seems but Westeros is still scarred from the Long Night. The last book is essentially one long Bran chapter in a stream of conscious style as he reflects on humanity and whether they can truly find peace amon all the warfare

[Anonymous No.23485379]

>>23485163
3) Stannis burns them all

[Anonymous No.23485585]

I've been thinking of the best ideas for a GOT game lately, and I've come to the decision that I'd like a 'Kingdom Come Deliverance' set in Westeros.

[Anonymous No.23485595]

Why is magic so evil in this universe?
Why can’t it be static unaligned magic like math?

[Anonymous No.23485750]

Why do Bran chapters end at the center of Dance?
Was Gurm just lazy or has something happened to Bran, like he is too merged with the weirwoods and he lost his identity and isn t Bran anymore?
Nobody seems to talk about this.

[Anonymous No.23485765]

>R + L = J, But it's kidnapping and rape.
Disprove this.

[Anonymous No.23485779]

>>23484311
>how do you give up?
I mean, I've been coping since 2016 (remember that year when he said he was "months away" from finishing Winds?) and today we're on the same boat. I personally put my deadline of "actively hoping" to last year. If GRRM didn't announce something by the end of 2023 then I'd say fuck it. It doesn't mean I don't sometimes fall for the clickbait of "WOW announced!!" blog posts but if it hasn't come out now even after George said he was months away, it probably never will. IF it does it's probably gonna be around 2035, and that's being optimistic that GRRM lives that long.

What sucks is that there was so much potential for ASOIAF. I wish GRRM would just bite the bullet and ask for help writing and structuring his story. I wouldn't think any less of him or hold it against him. Just finish the damn books

[Anonymous No.23486276]

>>23485585
Wouldn't we all

[Anonymous No.23486279]

>>23485595
It takes great sacrifice. Only the evil or the desperate use it

[Anonymous No.23486302]

>>23484998
She's a woman, it could be 140 and it wouldn't matter.

[Anonymous No.23486386]

>>23481152
we are never going to see anything east of the bone mountains (that big ass mountain range) in the main series. i want to see further as well but it's just not going to happen.

[Anonymous No.23486415]

>>23475904
>>23486386
Do Eastern Asian-looking people exist, somewhere on the map, or are they out of bounds, somewhere? The Westeros nations strike me as influenced by Europeans, and there are Middle Eastern-looking people, but, where exactly do Black and South Asian-looking people fit in? Do you think there is a Native American analogue culture somewhere even further off the map?

[Anonymous No.23486566]

>>23486415
Blacks are in the Summer Islands. The East Asian peoples are found in the region beyond the Bone Mountains, Yi-Ti being China and the Jogos Nhai, Mongolia.

[Anonymous No.23486571]

>>23486415
yes they do. yi ti is supposed to be an analog to imperial china. this is yi ti and a picture of a yitish man. the cities on the bone mountains sound like some sort of indian language to me so they're probably the south asians. sothoryos is supposed to be africa (the northwest tip is so clearly egypt) but the people that live on the mainland aren't supposed to be black people, they're called brindled men, they're like ape men or neanderthals/other non homo-sapien humans that never went extinct. black people as we know them come from the summer isles and maybe the surrounding islands of sothoryos like the basilisk isles. i always interpreted everything from slaver's bay to qarth as basically the middle east and as such the people as arabs and other associated groups.
pretty sure george talked about if there are native american/a "new world" once, and he said he was unsure i think, he was definitely vague about it.

[Anonymous No.23486761]

>>23481489
The wall of ice is the most plausible part. Large sections of antarctica are ice shelves like that. Pyke is the least plausible imo but its cool so whatever.

[Anonymous No.23486764]

>>23481311
Yeah it would be an amazing hotspot for mercenaries.

[Anonymous No.23486768]

>>23484228
Robert was apparently 6'5 and built like the irl mountain actor, but we have no indication that he was super skillful. It seems plausible to me a kingsguard member could have killed him. Rhaegar wasn't even naturally into combat, he just took it up one day as a matter of duty.

[Anonymous No.23486771]

>>23485163
1. Second scenario sounds too ridiculous and honestly the others aren't interesting.

[Anonymous No.23486772]

>>23485585
I respect it but it wouldn't really show off the setting. I mostly just want a good Total War Rome Remastered mod for it.

[Anonymous No.23486813]

>fights in a war against the Targaryen Dynasty
>fights in a war against sea-faring rebels
>fights in a war against maybe the most powerful House
not commenting on the actual Lord Karstark story, but damn if he didn't have a point. He had been with House Stark through some real shit. Respect on that man's name

[Anonymous No.23486872]

>>23485750
>Was Gurm just lazy
Yes

[Anonymous No.23487110]

>>23485765
Would he really utter her name as he was dying if it was rape? Can a woman willful enough to enter a tourney and unhorse 3 knights really be kidnapped and raped just like that? It seems more likely that she'd bite her tongue and kill herself in that scenario.

[Anonymous No.23487283]

>>23475904
that fanart looks like a Pierre Klossowski drawing

[Anonymous No.23487372]

>>23486386
Top 5 most unimaginative maps of all time.

[Anonymous No.23487600]

I hate TarGAYryens

[Anonymous No.23487728]

>>23487110
More likely sure, but we're talking crackpot theories and headcanons here and it's possible it wasn't so. I really really hate the idea of two lovers, both historical beauties and ridiculously talented plunging the realm into war, abandoning duty for love. That it ended with the prince getting his chest crushed at the trident is somewhat nice, but what really grinds my gears is that Lyanna would have her family tortured to death, and the lives of her younger brothers threatened by her true loves father, and... nothing... no attempt to return and mediate or at least force Rhaegar to. It's like they're off playing Romeo & Juliet while the world burns around them as a direct consequence of their actions.

Maybe the real subversion will be , that she realizes how badly she fucked up, wants to return, but Rhaegar focused on the prophecy, wont let her and it turns bad.

So in short, I think it's better for the narrative and world if Rhaegar is secretly a real bastard, & Lyanna a tricked child or innocent abductee.

[Anonymous No.23487918]

Yi Ti to westerners:

— ‘A fabled land even in the Seven Kingdoms, Yi Ti is a large and diverse country, a realm of windswept plains and rolling hills, jungles and rain forests, deep lakes and rushing rivers and shrinking inland seas. Its legendary wealth is such as to allow its princes to live in houses of solid gold and dine on sweetmeats powdered with pearls and jade.’

Casterly Rock to easterners:

— ‘The veins of ore run wide and deep, and there are mines, even now, that have been delved for a thousand years and more and are yet to be emptied. Lomas Longstrider reports that, even in far Asshai-by-the-Shadow, there were merchants who asked him if it was true that the "Lion Lord" lived in a palace of solid gold and that crofters collected a wealth of gold simply by plowing their fields.’

I’m sensing a theme of unreliability here.

[Anonymous No.23487921]

anyone have martin chad face template?

[Anonymous No.23487928]

>>23487918
Solid gold? Yeah, no, probably gilded, not solid. Can hardly trust accounts of Yi-Ti.

[Anonymous No.23487944]

>>23486386
The east likely isn’t -as- fantastical as it is made out to be, realistically speaking, but still fantastic.

So too, a lot of the myth surrounding the eastern parts of this world are often nods and homages to other authors’ works.

[Anonymous No.23488209]

JUST FINISH THE BOOK, YOU PROCASTINATING FATASS

[Anonymous No.23488225]

>>23488209
Not finishing your series is subverting expectations on the highest level.

[Anonymous No.23488231]

Dont worry guys. He is waiting for me to finish catching up. Im almost done with book one

[Anonymous No.23488269]

It's time to let it go. Screenwriting was always his first love and now he's gone back to it.

[Anonymous No.23488535]

I don't even want him to finish the series.
Whatever he will come up with will fall FAAR below the built up expectations.

[Anonymous No.23488744]

>>23485750
bran is the hardest character to write he says. so he probably got lost in the sauce after that. first 2 books have 7 bran chapters each. 4 in a storm of swords, none in feast and 3 in dance. Gurm is stalling, probably because bran is too close to the end of his story compared to the other characters, and since he doesn't enjoy writing him as much, bran doesn't get filler chapters like some other characters

[Anonymous No.23488759]

>>23485765
Remember when Ned thinks to himself that he doubts Rhaegar frequents brothels? A rapist would probably frequent brothels.

[Anonymous No.23488895]

I want an Other wife and I want one now

[Anonymous No.23489039]

Bloated and unfinished.

[Anonymous No.23489133]

>>23488535
This is my fear as well. Although how far below expectations is debatable. I think it will be good enough to not taint what's come before so I still want it.
>>23488759
>doubts
I'm not saying he got cuntstruck and needed a release, that he's gash mad, I'm saying he's a sociopath who's obsessed with prophecy. He wears a cloak of respectability, but he's a sociopath. Why did he pick up a sword and study at combat? Because a book told him he had to. He's a fraud. He no doubt seduced her at first, but then imprisoned her in his tower of rape, the filth.

[Anonymous No.23489160]

>>23489039
It’s not supposed to be accurate and a satellite view image would look different.

[Anonymous No.23489189]

>>23489039
but enough about your mother

[Anonymous No.23489321]

>>23478293
>Robb was a kinslayer, albeit a somewhat distant one.
Kinslaying refers to murder. Just execution does not invoke the taboo, having to execute your own kin frequently was a source of sympathy.

[Anonymous No.23490071]

Are we sure Sansa is the female self insert? Because the amount of wank Daenerys gets on Elon Musk's website is insane.

[Anonymous No.23491110]

No but seriously though, what's taking so long?

[Anonymous No.23491133]

>>23491110
>too old
>had to rewrite
>lost interest
>writer's block
>dead for years
>done but refuses to release it
Take your pick

[Anonymous No.23491429]

>>23487110
Stockholm syndrome.
I'm sure Persephone also grew to "love" Hades.

[Anonymous No.23491510]

>>23491133
>done but refuses to release it
This one's interesting to me, I've heard it before but it doesn't hold any water to me after GOT finished.

[Anonymous No.23491558]

>>23491110
Most likely a combination of writer's block and the sheer complexity of all the intra-personal relationships that he has to keep in mind. And he's probably tired of writing about the same characters for nearly 30 years.

[Anonymous No.23492679]

>>23487600
i like the cut of your jib

what's your favourite westerosi region and people?
for me its dorne and stormlanders respectively

[Anonymous No.23492939]

>>23492679
what's the deal with the stormlanders anyway? they don't seem especially distinct from the resteros of westeros. Dorne, the Iron Islands and the North have a distinct culture Riverlands,Stormlands,Westerlands,Crownlands, the Vale and the reach all seem to share the same generic culture.

[Anonymous No.23494132]

What was the point of sacking King's Landing?

[Anonymous No.23494149]

>>23489039
It doesn't look any worse than irl asia desu.

[Anonymous No.23494156]

>>23491110
The biggest factor is all the popularity he got from TV projects and stuff. It's pulled him away from writing many many times.
Apart from that it's also just hard to write, there are a shitload of interweaving plotlines to tie together. By the end of WoW we probably have to be dealing with maybe 1/3 of the total narratives we're dealing with now at most.
He's also rewritten many hundreds of pages that he was unhappy with. In total page count he's probably finished winds twice now.

[Anonymous No.23494199]

this is know world in asoiaf....
finish it! draw something beyond!!

[Anonymous No.23494211]

>>23488895
I want an Other boyfriend and I want one now

[Anonymous No.23494212]

>>23494199
'kay

[Anonymous No.23494223]

>>23479709
Even if he does he won't finish Dream in time and if he does it turns out he will need yet another book, and I guarantee you he will not finish that in time.

[Anonymous No.23494225]

>>23492679
For me it's da norf since it's so intertwined with fascinating lore like greensight, skinchanging, weirwoods/old gods and the long night. Also the culture of oldheads walking out into the snow to 'hunt' once winter comes so there's less mouths to feed is very endearing and selfless.

[Anonymous No.23494537]

>>23485595
Magic is a sick pedophilic fuck, coveting the sacrifice of babies, and names like ‘CHILDREN of the forest’ are no coincidence!

[Anonymous No.23494738]

Any predictions on who will be chosen to finish the series when the fat man dies?

[Anonymous No.23494749]

>>23494738
No one. Martin isn't Robert Jordan, he cannot be replaced by another Mormon nerd.
Daniel Abraham

[Anonymous No.23494753]

>>23494749
Martin's style is easy to imitate. I bet I could write a solid conclusion if I had access to his notes, outlines and advice from his editors.

[Anonymous No.23494937]

[Anonymous No.23495586]

>>23494738
If that happens, the entire thing is dead. Only the promise of Winds and the conclusion keeps the interest going.

[Anonymous No.23495613]

Here's my two crackpots

The Corpse Queen who seduced 13th Lord Commander is in prison underneath Winterfell. Ramsey sacking Winterfell was the final seal to be broken allowing her to be free and she is actually The Hooded Man who Theon sees walking around Winterfell.

Craster's kids were actually sacrifices to The Wall. The Others and the Watch had an agreement somewhere down the line but terms and conditions wound up being lost to time. No more children being sacrificed to strengthen the wall guess what will happen? The Wall needs to come down at some point in the last two books and I think this will be bthe big contributing factor. We haven't seen what the consequences of The Others not recieiving Craster's kids will be but I think this will be it. Sam will also be a contributing factor in The Wall coming down, he will see Euron getting ready to sack Old Town and blow the horn out of desperation to warn people but out of irony it will be what brings the wall down allowing The Others to march south.

I also want to know why the only Other female we've seen has been in one of Old Nan's tales while we've only seen males in the present.

[Anonymous No.23495675]

>>23494937
GOD DAMN

[Anonymous No.23496155]

>>23494738
No living writer could pull it off anyway. Plus Martin has said he won't allow it to happen.

[Anonymous No.23496218]

>>23496155
>he won't allow it to happen.
Did he say he'd at least release the notes then?

[Anonymous No.23496222]

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[Anonymous No.23496272]

>>23496218
Yes, he gave his editors the basic outline and notes, basically all we'll get is 3 to 30 pages of "Then Euron dies like in the tv show and actually it's just the tv show verbatim and that's why I didn't finish it."

[Anonymous No.23496674]

>>23496222
all things considered regarding the show, at least the soundtrack was goated

[Anonymous No.23496683]

>>23475904
He’s wrote 1 book of the series in what, 30 years? He clearly isn’t interested in it anymore. Probably lots of guys in their 20’s on this site. You won’t have the same passion for certain things when you’re in your 50’s. Just let the series go

[Anonymous No.23496694]

>>23496683
Come on anon, it's been only since 2017 when his last spin-off book came out.

[Anonymous No.23496995]

>>23496694
Fire and Blood was 2018. It's only been six years...

[Anonymous No.23497069]

[Anonymous No.23497077]

>>23497069
>Saaros
My sides

[Anonymous No.23497934]

What do you think The Other Queen's pussy was like when the Lord Commander stuck his warm and hard cock into it

[Anonymous No.23498067]

>>23497934
Slick and cold, tight as ice, but not to the point of impenetrability. No matter how many times you thrust, her interior remains the same temperature, mostly. Post-nut clarity consists of you losing a bit of your soul. A little death.

Do you want me to describe what it’s like to suck off a male Other now? No, it does not lead to brain freeze.

[Anonymous No.23498176]

>>23498067
Fucking hell George, this is what you spend your time thinking about?

[Anonymous No.23498355]

do you think essos is connected to north?
it would make sense cuz there was "others" in yi ti long night...

[Anonymous No.23498436]

>>23498355
No it’s not according to George. We know there are forms of magic that mimic other forms of magic, abroad. So… they likely had their own variants.

[Anonymous No.23498507]

>>23498436
I hope we will see FULL map of planetos.
btw what a stupid name,, planetos

[Anonymous No.23498541]

I just finished a dance with dragons. He's never going to finish the rest of the series, is he?

[Anonymous No.23499214]

>>23498541
The ride never ends and more people still choose to get in the trolley.

[Anonymous No.23499511]

>>23498541
Fat piece of shit sold his soul to Hollywood. ASOIAF is now a cinematic universe.

[Anonymous No.23499726]

>>23498355
>do you think essos is connected to north?
Martin said no
>it would make sense cuz there was "others" in yi ti long night...
The Others weren't in Essos

[Anonymous No.23500236]

>>23499511
>Implying he had a soul

[Anonymous No.23500777]

>>23498507
Planetos isn’t an official name, it was coined by the fans.

George has said before that Westeros would look much different under a satellite view.

The ‘world map’ that so many make fun of? It’s intentionally supposed to look silly. The idiots don’t realise that.

[Anonymous No.23501462]

>From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire.

Whomst'd've?

[Anonymous No.23501475]

>>23497934
You just KNOW
https://www.oglaf.com/snowbound/2/

[Anonymous No.23502486]

>>23475904
What are the chances he'll die before finishing?

[Anonymous No.23502754]

>>23502486
Probably

[Anonymous No.23502805]

How attractive do you picture Jon Snow to be in the books? I always thought he was too attractive in the show.

[Anonymous No.23502814]

Has anyone played the board game? I've been told it's pretty good.

[Anonymous No.23502820]

>>23502805
I think his hair is too curly in the show. Looks feminine. He also doesn't have the long horse face of the Stark. Too much of a gay pretty boy.

[Anonymous No.23502952]

>>23502805
Like an 8/10 at least. Val, Melisandre and Alys all want to sex him and he makes Shireen blush.
>>23502820
He was mistaken for being one of Tormund's daughters at one point so I think he is supposed to be somewhat twinky. I agree that Kit wasn't a very good casting choice though.

[Anonymous No.23502965]

Night gathers, and now my boycott begins. It shall not end until TWOW's release. I shall watch no spinoff, read no cookbook, buy no calendar. I shall wear no tinfoil and create no theories. I shall live and die abstaining from ASOIAF. I am the cynic in the thread. I am the naysayer on the webs. I am the siren that puts GRRM on fraud alert, the detractor that supports no HBO endeavor, the shield that guards new readers from disappointment. I pledge my life and honor to hating this fat fuck, for this night and all the nights to come.

[Anonymous No.23502991]

>>23502965
Not bad anon. I think the fat fuck would get a laugh out of this.

[Anonymous No.23503016]

>>23502814
Yes. It's pretty solid, the hidden actions and reveals work with very well with the theme.

[Anonymous No.23503110]

Larys is basically Varys.

Even ignoring the names, they both have a disability that they are known for.

They both serve as master of whisperers.

They both send a king into hiding (Aegon II and Aegon VI) to one day come back and retake King's Landing. Larys and Varys both remain hidden in King's Landing throughout the duration of enemy occupation. They both ferment chaos in KL (Larys is behind the riots that force Rhaenyra out and Varys kills all the competent Lannisters during the Sparrow crisis, brings Cersei back into play, and stokes the Tyrell v. Lannister conflict).

They are both behind the death of a hand (Lyonel Strong and Kevan Lannister (You can also attribute Tywin's death partially to Varys in the books). Larys is a confessor, and Varys doubles as a jailer.

If you want to get real crazy with it, Larys is probably cheese in the books btw. How is Larys, who is portrayed as ultra competent, unable to get a shred of information on cheese? Larys is a confessor who is proven to know all the secret tunnels. Varys also was a master of disguise and knew the secret pathways as well. He was able to kill Pycelle and Kevan due to that. It isn't a leap in the slightest.

Sorry to spoil the books for you all, but Varys poisons Aegon VI by the end of the story. The Varys poisoning Dany story in the show was basically taken and attributed to Dany. JonCon will burn King's Landing, and this is what will force Varys to turn against Aegon.

[Anonymous No.23503279]

i started a game of thrones in mandarin and its filled with so many bullshit over the top descriptive words that i gotta look up making it hard to read. but im gonna continue cus im killing two birds with one stone, or as the chinese say, killing two houseflys with one swat.

[Anonymous No.23503699]

>>23503279
in the chinese version, the mountain doesn't burn the hound because he's insane, but because he was mistook him for lunch

[Anonymous No.23503703]

>>23479709
how often does george attend worldcon? does he go yearly or is this his first time in a while?

[Anonymous No.23503822]

[Anonymous No.23503824]

>>23502965
imagine ever not pirating the books and the shows and imagine ever spending money on some dumbass calendars
LMAO!

[Anonymous No.23503924]

rumao

[Anonymous No.23503992]

>>23503924
Am I that out of touch? No, it's the commoners who are wrong.

[Anonymous No.23504020]

>>23503822
Good except for the mystery meat in the middle.

[Anonymous No.23504398]

/v/ is losing it over the Elden Ring DLC lore, and they are truly, TRULY pissed.

Is this a taste of what it will be like when the Winds of Winter finally reaches us?

[Anonymous No.23504421]

>>23504398
Why are they pissed?

[Anonymous No.23504459]

>>23503703
Furst time in a while

[Anonymous No.23504479]

>>23504398
I think when people get their hands on Winds of Winter it'll be over for GRRM. People are expecting a book that will set up end game scenarios for the story when what we're going to get is a gigantic snail pace book that fleshes out the world, particularly in Essos which no even remotely gives a fuck about

[Anonymous No.23504543]

>>23503822
WHY IS IT ALWAYS A FUCKING NIGGER?

[Anonymous No.23504625]

>>23504543
>>23504020
She's Dornish, this isn't a race flip

Moreover she's 5'11" so not really "Too Tall"

[Anonymous No.23504683]

>>23504625
the dornish aren't sub-saharanid, so it is technically a race flip. the dornish are europid race, ranging from nordid to orientalid depending on subtype. the most correct race to play them would be whites, meds, middle easterners or south asians.
that being said, if they retcon her to have had a summer islander or naathi mother, it'll be fine. though i doubt they will do that as that would be too logical of a decision

[Anonymous No.23504701]

>>23504479
No, they’re expecting his book to prove their retarded theories right, and will hate him when he does otherwise, because all the readers and “fans” are full of hubris.

[Anonymous No.23504735]

>>23504701
Plenty of people like that as well, but the larger group of disappointment will be because of the book's content.

[Anonymous No.23504761]

>>23504735
These things overlap.

[Anonymous No.23504770]

>>23504761
If they overlap why are you saying no and trying to argue with me?

[Anonymous No.23504773]

Can anybody point me to Liam Swayne's chatGPT Winds of Winter? It's been removed everywhere I have tried to look for it.

[Anonymous No.23504815]

We are going home everyone

[Anonymous No.23504819]

um windcels??

[Anonymous No.23504827]

HE DID IT AGAIN BROS

[Anonymous No.23504832]

>>23504815
>>23504819
>>23504827
explain.

[Anonymous No.23504914]

>>23504832
They think George considers TWOW to be work worth doing.

[Anonymous No.23504960]

>>23503279
>>23503699
i wonder if they left in the puppy-eating, child enslaving nature of the ghiscari or replaced it with something that would actually be considered foreign and offputting to a chinese audience?

[Anonymous No.23504984]

>>23504770
Because fans don’t care about what George wrote they only care about what they think he wrote.

[Anonymous No.23505033]

>>23504832
Some fans think Martin is hinting that Winds is nearing completion
>Words of Wisdom = WoW
>"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." = satisfaction at work done well
>Tags: life and death, writing
An interesting theory I've seen is based on a rumour about the original manuscript for Winds was a mess and had to be completely rewritten, doubling the amount of time it took to write. If he's writing at the same pace he did for Dance then it'd take about 12 years to come out, more if he was having trouble and considering the size of the book. There were some other things about Dunk and Egg but I cant remember. The point is that some fans think he's teasing a late 2024 or 2025 release.
I'm not getting my hopes up though. I think the fandom's gotten too good at theorycrafting.

[Anonymous No.23505080]

>>23503110

Varys is Euron

Both have five letters in their name

Varys was the first one to mention and hint at Euron's arrival in the books by name dropping him at the meeting

Varys and Euron are the only two who employ tongueless people at their services with Varys it is the Little Birds but with Euron it is crewmates on The Silence. Maybe Little Birds grow up and graduate go to work on the ship?

Both Euron and Varys are known for being master of disguises

Varys has possibly been theorized to be a merperson or a merfolk or some other half fish and half human Lovecraftian creature. House Greyjoy have a strong influence from HP Lovecraft. There is a legend of House Greyjoy taking a mermaid for a wife, Varys has once said you would be surprised at the results of him being thrown in the water possibly hinting at his true nature as a merfolk.

Littlefinger's ship is called The Merling King. Maybe Littlefinger worked out by accident who Vary's true identity was and what his goal is by claiming he has him completely under his thumb. Exposing his secret to the public would ruin him

>>23505033

I think GRRM is done with The Winds of Winter going back the last two WOW posts and what you have speculated. A little grim but I also think he might've gotten news lately regarding his own mortality especailly how he's been reflecting on death of fellow writers

[Anonymous No.23505098]

>>23505080
Fuck you man. I don't see how the parallels are not completely obvious.

[Anonymous No.23505162]

>>23505098
You're missing the bigger picture
>Larys is basically Varys
>basically
Larys IS Varys. His ghost haunts the world still.

[Anonymous No.23505937]

>>23504815
Why aren't people more excited? Worldcon announcement seems very possible.

[Anonymous No.23506004]

>>23503822
>Tansell too Dark. But she was not too dark for me.

[Anonymous No.23506109]

>>23505937
>Why aren't people more excited?
Remember when the fat fuck swore if the book wasn't finished by the end of the year, his fans had permission to lock him into a cabin on a remote island? That was five fucking years ago.

[Anonymous No.23506146]

https://youtu.be/qSy2uaJ7ecU?si=S19AvU9POQ9s73ll

Is that video true? Is Jon really not a great and honorable warrior in the books but just a mere politician?

[Anonymous No.23506150]

>>23506146
yes

[Anonymous No.23506226]

>>23504832
The cope that refuses to die.

[Anonymous No.23506439]

>>23504815
>>23504819
>>23504827
>>23504914
>>23505033
It's okay, anons. I also went through my stages of grief. Bargaining is a hell of a drug.

[Anonymous No.23506444]

>ruins your television

[Anonymous No.23506449]

>>23504398
Why are they pissy?

[Anonymous No.23506456]

>>23505937
>Why aren't people more excited?
Because we've accepted the harsh reality that we might never get Winds in this lifetime.

[Anonymous No.23506466]

>>23506444
Do people like this really exist? Are these the people that have ruined everything? I just cannot fathom that somebody cares that much about such a trivial non-issue

[Anonymous No.23506530]

>>23506444
what an absolute fag lmao. not a single tear shed for poor pedro trying to get representation for his chilean people

[Anonymous No.23507447]

>>23506449
eurogamer gave it a 3/5

[Anonymous No.23507617]

>>23503279
update: i gave up. too many lookups. does anyone else have experience in game of thrones translations being incredibly verbose? when i read game of thrones in english i didnt feel like it was at all, but maybe im remembering hedge knight more

[Anonymous No.23507680]

>>23504625
The dornish are spaniards

[Anonymous No.23507803]

Remember when GRRM was asked which character he would like to go on a date with from the books and he said Dany because she's hot? Pedo Peter ass nigga

[Anonymous No.23507952]

>>23507803
>Dany
Too old.

[Anonymous No.23507971]

House Peake=Mervyn Peake
House Jordaye=Robert Jordan
House Blackwood=Algernon Blackwood
House Vance=Jack Vance


What other Houses were inspired by author's names? I guess you could lump in Hightower with being another nod to Robert Jordan since Hightower was the name of the ferryman in The Eye of the World.

[Anonymous No.23507979]

>>23507971
The Tor is an area of Dorne which is named for the publishing company, and Ser Patrek that gets killed by Wun Wun is named for Patrick St. Denis who's one of George's composer friends. His shield is a blue star on a white background for the Dallas Cowboys (Patrick's favorite team) and is killed by the Giant Wun Wun for George's favorite team The New York Giants. "Wun Wun" is from one-one as the number 11 Jersey was the quarterback for the Giants.

[Anonymous No.23508008]

>>23507971
There’s a house willum for Tad Williams

[Anonymous No.23508254]

>>23479709
rollin

[Anonymous No.23508276]

>>23494223
7 years to write Winds (after scrapping the first draft in 2017)

Also depending how much the cast contrasts by the end of Winds it might be a lot easier to wrap some of the plot threads up

[Anonymous No.23508789]

>>23507803
If Martin thinks so then it's canonically cool to fuck Dany

[Anonymous No.23509566]

>>23506444
Write your own shit NIGGER

[Anonymous No.23509777]

>>23508008
it was nice of george to homage TW by ripping off swathes of MS&T and becoming wildly successful from what is essentially the same concept but with more rape and murder

[Anonymous No.23510013]

Saera deserved what was coming to her. Feel bad for Daella and Vissera though...

[Anonymous No.23510081]

>feeling bad for targshits

ISHYDDT

[Anonymous No.23510250]

>>23510013
Moment she mentioned she wanted to be like Maegor she sealed her fate.

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[Anonymous No.23510354]

>>23506444
Fucking everyone in the known world is diferent shades of caucasian, the best he's got are ghiscari mutts who are pretty disgusting all things considered and this nigger here is not only saying the world is super diverse but crying about muh poc. Its rare to find a halfwit you want to cross the screen and strangle but here i am wishing i could.

[Anonymous No.23510420]

Who's going to do the Winds audiobook in abscence of the old codger Dotrice? Harry Lloyd is the obvious shoe-in but he can't do voices near as well (at least near as well as Roy did the first 3 books anyway)

[Anonymous No.23510434]

>>23510420
It should be Lloyd, but it will be some boomer who is a friend with GRRM

[Anonymous No.23510914]

>>23510420
Iain Glen is bretty gud too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPIwVrTXGfk

[Anonymous No.23510975]

>>23505080
Even if Varys is a merman, how could Littlefinger expose him? How do you tell people this guy is Ariel's brother and have them believe you?

[Anonymous No.23511836]

>>23477748
He makes great worlds and several good characters but this guy is intellectually spineless.
>Deletes peoples comments
Instant indication of a brainlet who cant handle others opinions

[Anonymous No.23511902]

>>23491110
Gurm wrote ASOIAF as a fundamentally cynical take on fantasy. No one is coming to save you, and the world is doomed, despite the character's ideals.
To have your ideal taken by the public and embraced via the show and then the books as something to love and look forward to must have been difficult for him. He prob thinks people 'missed the point' or some other gay shit.

He also just has the personality type of starting things and never finishing them. A good organizational writer would have had everything laid out and would have kept the narrative tight. But you clearly see Gurm getting carried away as he keeps adding new POV characters while the rest (eg Dany in slaver's bay) get stalled out

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[Anonymous No.23512179]

What are the possibilities Brandon has some bastards hidden away somewhere and Manderly potentially could use them as a trump card if the plan to bring back Rickon fails? The guy was pretty fucking amourus then again if Rickon is found and the Brandon bastards are legitamized then this maybe could potentially kick start a Dances with Wolves if the north actually becomes independant at the end of the story. The whole scenary could be like Manderly doing his own fake Aegon but the ice equivalent if he does have a cache of hidden "Stark bastards" somewhere.

>>23510975

Good point. Maybe tie him to the prow of his ship or reveal his genitals to witnesses . There has to be something Littlefinger or someone else could use to expose Varys for who he really is I think Arya will probably have a hand since she saw him come up from the well with uncanny swimming abilities back in AGOT

[Anonymous No.23512241]

>>23510250
"They've made our daughter a whore."

"She always was."

Ice-cold, Jaehaerys...

[Anonymous No.23512865]

>>23499214
I started reading these years ago but just never caught up because I knew it was gonna be a long wait. I was on George's wild ride the whole time.

[Anonymous No.23513154]

>>23509777
I don't know what any of these abbreviations mean

[Anonymous No.23513443]

Why does Dark Sister always beat Blackfyre? It isn't fair bros...

[Anonymous No.23513466]

>>23477148
I've ways wondered why they didn't branch out into video games when shit like Elder Scrolls and Dark Souls were popular around the time the show premiered

[Anonymous No.23513493]

>>23513466
I talked to gsteff, and apparently there were several failed attempts to launch ASOIAF video games. Expect to see a post about that several months from now because he is so slow.

[Anonymous No.23514482]

>>23513466
I remember hearing this rumour, i have no idea whether it's actually true or not, but around 2011-2012 when skyrim released people were noticing that there were quite a few references to asoiaf and this rumour sparked up that Bethesda at some point started making an asoiaf game but scrapped it early on, using the few characters they made on skyrim instead. probably not true, but this was the talk around me back then and it was a pretty popular rumour.