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23451409 No.23451409 [Reply] [Original]

What am I in for?

>> No.23451477

>>23451409
Better than dune, not as good as Tbotns

>> No.23451511

A book with zero answers to any of your questions

>> No.23451519

>>23451409
Canterbury Tales in space, moderate to high amounts of Keats wank.

>> No.23451742

>>23451409
A little disappointment, maybe? As another anon said, no real answers, but this is a book about the journey, not the destination.

There's some great stuff involving body horror, tragic loss, and a lot of middling melodrama. I enjoyed it, but I wish it had kept me hooked. I put it down far too often.

>> No.23451769

>>23451409
Dan Simmons is a hard right winger btw, and it shows up in his writing. I would avoid it for that reason.

>> No.23452198

>>23451769
Yikes, pretty disappointing if true.

>> No.23452351

>>23452198
Yep, I saw a few red flags while reading Hyperion then decided to look him up... Lo and behold, Simmons is a far right nutjob. Trashed the book once I saw that.

>> No.23452678

pretty good aside from the lack of real ending. it gets the imagination going, which imo is what sci fi should do. the shrike is kino

>> No.23452826

>>23451409
This book is so shit, and I have no idea why people like it. I remember a long time back reading the first pages of its prelude and hating it intensely, so much that I re-wrote it in my own prose since I found the original two pages so aesthetically unpleasant.

I don't even know if I'm tripping but I really don't care about the content, for some reason the style of this book is completely amateurish and unreadable to me.

So much for poet dickriding, this book has the worst prose.

>> No.23453074

>>23452678
>pretty good aside from the lack of real ending.
I see this a lot and couldn't disagree more. The decision not to end it is the most powerful thing about it. It frames forgiveness, cameraderie and mirth in the face of absolute mortality as victory, however fleeting it is.
A conclusion would inevitably undermine that.
The second book's great for very different reasons. It's a wild adventure more than it's art.

>> No.23453080
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23453080

>>23451409
/lit/ unironically tricked me into reading this book. it's SO FUCKING BORING. if you want to listen to 5 people essentially tell you 100 page long flashbacks then this is the book for you.

>> No.23453117

>>23451477
What's Tbotns?

I personally loved reading Hyperion. It was a little hard to get past the beginning,but once you accept that the author is an English major (and it really shows) the book becomes an amazing experience. Horny, comfy, and sci-fi come to mind.

>> No.23453119

>>23451409
Second book is better.
Father Dure > The Jew > The Palestine > Consul = Martin Silenus = Lamia

Endymion is kino too

>> No.23453146

>>23453080
>y'all is not something that someone who reads should say

Faggot invalidated an otherwise insightful post

>> No.23453162

>>23453117
The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe

>> No.23453233

>>23451477
>>23453162
I see this book praised on /lit/ in every thread. Outside this board people seem to consider it mediocre. What is it about BOTNS that makes it so special that only /lit/ can see?

>> No.23453244

>>23453233
It is quite literally praised everywhere you dweeb. It has like a 4.5 rating on goodreads with 50k reviews. The overwhelming majority of the bad reviews are those who were absolutely filtered because they need their hands held or those throwing a tantrum because how dare the main character being a misogynist and kind of rapist!

>> No.23453266

You're in for a literary experience

>> No.23453271

>>23453244
The first book has a 3.83 on goodreads bruv. You also didn't answer the question.

>> No.23453294

>>23453271
Weird considering the first book was never published alone, goodreads enjoys having a rating for every possible combination of the books in this series for some reason. And I did answer your question bruv, it was the part where I called you a retard who needed their hand held to comprehend anything deeper than Dr. Seuss. If you were capable of actually understanding the book, you’d understand what made it so special.

>> No.23453318

>>23453233
>Outside this board people seem to consider it mediocre
Outside where? Reddit? Boomers or braindead zoomers on twitter and facebook?

>> No.23453320

>>23453271
>The first book has...
Yes there's more than one book, it's a series retard

>> No.23453350

>>23451742
The real disappointment in the ending is when they sing yellow brick road
Just why?

>> No.23453384

>>23453294
>If you were capable of actually understanding the book, you’d understand what made it so special.
You're totally right. Only an intelligent lad such as yourself is capable of knowing what makes a book special before actually reading it. How can I be more intelligent like you?

>>23453318
Correct. I'm wondering what /lit/ sees in this series that normies don't. Why are you all being so rabidly defensive over a sincere question?

>>23453320
I'm aware, but I generally weigh the rating of the first entry of any series higher than its sequels. The reason for this should be obvious, but you might actually be retarded yourself.
Also, I explicitly mentioned the rating of the FIRST book, making my awareness of its sequels blatantly obvious. The fact that I need to point that out to you makes you genuinely retarded.
And also, the only reason I mentioned the rating was to address the other anon's claim that it's universally praised with a 4.5. This was self-evident, but somehow flew miles over your head. That's because you're retarded.

>> No.23453504

>>23453350
Yeah when written, it would have been a bit more recent to our public cultural memory. But reading it last month it was just a bit jarring. Especially as I felt it was more a sci fi horror.

I liked how it ended, glib choice of song aside. But I have no intention of reading Fall.

>> No.23453512

>>23451769
How hard right wing? Actual nut job, or reddit level 'anyone I disagree with politically is right wing' right wing?

>> No.23453520

>>23451409
dont read the endymion books. just settle with fall of hyperion

>> No.23453539

>>23451769
based I’ll buy hyperion now

>> No.23453550

>>23453233
Gene Wolfe novels are basically soulsborne games in literature form.

>> No.23453571

>>23453512
>>23451769
Ah, Nm. I just read a couple of views on Flashback, his 2011 novel that's basically a Tea Party wet dream.

Fuck, I wish the tea party still was the conservative right wing, these days it's closer to their middle.

On Simmons, then I think between Hyperion, Kali, Flashback you can tell his economic, social, cultural views, while broad are quite simple, which is where most conservatives live - they think every complicated interconnected issue can be solved with offensively simple 30 second napkin solution. Immigrants coming in? Build a wall. Infrastructure crumbling? Cut taxes so we can focus on what really matters. Increase police spending because we can't infringe in anyone's 2nd amendment right.

Wide as the ocean, deep as a puddle, fits Simmons.

>> No.23453582

>>23453571
Simmons: peace among man being achieved with corporal punishment.

>> No.23453672

>>23453550
Tell me you've never read tbotns without telling me you've never read tbotns.

>> No.23454802

>>23453672
reddit post

>> No.23454837

>>23453384
I see the book praised plenty of times on reddit and elsewhere. In fact, I'm more surprised you managed to find dome person who actually read the whole series and said that it was mediocre, considering that it's pretty obscure outside of a few literary circles. It is possibly the best example of unreliable narration in sci-fi and a very interesting take on the dying earth genre.

>> No.23454843

>>23453571
I'm sure you can think of many more necessarily complex solutions to perceived social problems, or maybe brutishly simple solutions like "just legalize and tax it" are actually very deep. I used to think progs were soft on criminals, but pretty much every single prog I've met thinks that forgiveness is a sin and that some things are simply unforgivable. They'll strip blacks of agency to protect them from any responsibility, but see their enemies as atomized substances in every other way.

>> No.23454864

>>23454843
Progressives generally do not think about hard problems at all. They can never tell you straight whether they think punishment/torture is actually bad or if they think Anders Bering Breivik has it too easy. Most of their solutions come down to their fetish for being authoritative parents, telling children eith wagging fingers that what they are doing and thinking is wrong behavior that needs to be eradicated. Why? Because they say so.

>> No.23455182

>>23454843
I think complex problems require complex solutions and anybody tell you it's simple is the very definition of a modern politician. It's patronising. But it's what people want to hear. We are exhausted from one scandal to the next and we don't care anymore. This is by design, and one of the watermarks of fascism. They want us angry either at foreigners or each other. If we're angry, we're stupid.

I wish we could just cross aisle a little more without seeing it as giving in, but giving to a neighbour or friend or family.

>> No.23455636

>>23451477
>better than Dune
I might check it out now