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After reading this book I think it's ridiculous that there are people who say it's a "fascist" work. I found it inspiring and patriotic. I loved all of the little philosophical and political asides and found myself agreeing with most of them. The world would be a better place if this was required reading for high school aged boys.

Also, Heinlein thread.

>> No.23444929

>>23444896
>I found it inspiring and patriotic.
so, literal fascism

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Heinlein is shit, he is the empitome of tell, now show. Moorcock is a better example of inserting politics in to fiction. Heinlein has a self-insert tell you he is right, because he is right. Moorcock has a unsympathetic character wrestle with decisions and their after effects.

SST is also a Liberals wetdream, with it's complete egalitarian behavior, no gender roles, universal one worls government, many languages and ethnic groups living peacefully together. People focus on the military for franchisement but the book explicitly states there are other non-military means to gain the right to vote. It is shit.

The movie is not a parody or a satire of the book. The movie was already laid out and planned, but the director tacked on a few things he heard about the book as he never read it.

The movie is good
The book is bad.

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23444988

>>23444935
>SST is also a Liberals wetdream, with it's complete egalitarian behavior, no gender roles, universal one worls government, many languages and ethnic groups living peacefully together.

If you ignore Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace

>> No.23445134

It's just limited franchise to military service. Which was the norm in many societies. And women are included and in Heinleinstan make better pilots.
So it's not really fascism. It's also globohomo where racism doesn't exist.

>> No.23445407

>>23444896
It diverged from the left-wing orthodoxy that prevailed among publishers and critics at the time. To such people, everything that isn't Marxist must be fascist.
Then Heinlein wrote Stranger in a Strange Land, and the critics branded him a hippy. Cognitive dissonance is so prevalent among Marxists that Orwell invented a new word (doublethink) to denote it.