White-washing of ancient Greeks

[Anonymous No.23408200]

Greeks are Mongols, not white. This has been observed for centuries and true for Millennia. The foundation of European literature and philosophy was laid by Mongols.

Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, a German scientist, visited Greece and did not see any white person. So he wrote that Greeks are no longer Aryans, but Mongols due to racemixing with Slavs and Turks. During the World War II, Italians used Fallmerayer's works to justify their invasion of Greece.

Arthur de Gobineau, a French scientist, visited Greece and did not see any white person as well. So he wrote that Greeks lost their Aryanness by racemixing with Mongols.

White men erased Mongols from history. Plato, Aristotle, Alexander, Alkibiades, Constantinus, Cleopatra and Basil II were all Mongols, not white. According to Anders Retzius, a Swedish scientist, original proto-Europeans were Mongols but Aryans replaced Mongols in Europe around 5000 yrs ago and pushed them into the northernmost reaches of Europe where no white man would bother. White men have been systemically using racism and imperialism to erase Mongols and Mongolian achievements from European history.

[Anonymous No.23408262]

What?

[Anonymous No.23408272]

>>23408262
This...what? If it's not the rainbow gang it's someone else.
this feels like a WE WUZ..meme

[Anonymous No.23408273]

The whole "greece racemixed with x" thing is a meme. There are greek islands that were never conquered and the people there look the same as other greeks

[Anonymous No.23408297]

There is no such thing as aryan blood anyway. Germans are a mix of Latin and Nordic blood. Latins were a mix of all the Mediterranean. Nordics are Slavs that moved north. Slavs are a mix of people that came from the Caucasus and Iberian peninsula. And so on. Every single person on the face of the planet is a mutt.
>B..bb..bbbut my skin is white
Phenotype =/= genotype

[Anonymous No.23408323]

>>23408297
Source? Actually curious

[Anonymous No.23408448]

>>23408273
quite literally, their skin and features never evolved to resemble those of more northern europeans because of the climate, let's not act like italians look like scandinavians

[Anonymous No.23408454]

>>23408323
...critical thinking?

[Anonymous No.23408459]

>>23408454
Fucking pseud. Ask on a LITERATURE board about source, essay, book, author something
>Nah anon just critical thinking, trust me bro.

[Anonymous No.23408464]

>repeated mentions of red and golden hair in classical Greek epics and plays

[Anonymous No.23408474]

>>23408464
>ancient greek depictions of themselves in their daily lives or their mythos
quit coping by claiming everything as yours
>verification not required

[Anonymous No.23408477]

>>23408200
wow then you better go find the immortal blue-eyed arcadian highlanders and tell them they don't exist

[Anonymous No.23408508]

>>23408297
God you're so cringey. You don't know what you're talking about. "Aryan ancestry" = steppe/PIE/yamnaya/corded-ware
No, Germans are not a mix of "latin and nordic" blood. Germans were never conquered by Rome.
Europeans are the offspring of Steppe/Aryan, WHG and EEF (most similar to modern Sardinians)

[Anonymous No.23408510]

>>23408464
Go ahead and give us some quotes. Greeks didn't have words for colors so its odd you say that

[Anonymous No.23408540]

>>23408510
>Greeks didn't have words for colour
...what??

[Anonymous No.23408543]

>>23408508
Can you provide source? Unlike that pseud shit

[Anonymous No.23408548]

As to the racial composition of Greece during the times of Homer, Arthur de Gobineau has already given us a detailed analysis:
[[...] have yellow principles; two more contain a white element taken from the Chamitic branch and, as a consequence, extremely weakened; three have it borrowed from the Semitic branch; two others from the Aryan branch; and three, finally, combine the two last springs.
I draw the following conclusions:
The white principle, in general, dominated, and the Aryan essence shares its influence with the Semitic, since the invaders of the Hellenic Arians, having been the most numerous, formed the backbone of the national population. However, the abundance of Semitic blood is such, on certain points in particular, that a marqued action of it cannot be denied, and it is to it that belongs an initiative tempered by Aryan action pressed by the yellow element. Needless to say, this judgment is aimed at southern Greece, Greece of Attica, the Peloponnese, the colonies, Greece of artists and scholars. To the north, the melaninian elements are almost zero [degraded however by the yellow element]. Thus, in the nearer centuries of the Trojan War, these regions excited, much less than the Asian continents, the sorrows of the southern Greeks."
As for the Greece described to us in Mythology:
"It may seem peculiar to say that the Greek Arians had ever dominated the Semitic principle at home, after having demostrated that most of their civilization was made of it. In order to explain this apparent contradiction, I have to recall a reservation done above. When I said that Greek culture was mainly of Semitic origin, I was reserving a certain earlier state which I shall now examine and which contains, with three wholly Arian elements, the primitive history of epic Hellenism. These elements are: governmental thinking, military ability, a very particular genre of literary genius. All the three emerge from the hymen of these two Aryan instincts, reason and the research of what is useful.
The foundation of the governmental doctrine of the Hellenic Aryans was personal freedom. Anything that could guarantee this right, to the greatest extent possible, was good and legitimate. What restricted it was to be pushed back.[...]"

[Anonymous No.23408557]

>>23408543
Sure. Since we're in /lit/ a great book on this is part 1 of David Reich's Who We Are and How We Got Here.

[Anonymous No.23408559]

>>23408548
Explain in layman's terms

[Anonymous No.23408567]

>>23408557
Thanks anon, this isn't some retarded pol shit about muh aryans ND shiet ?

[Anonymous No.23408583]

>>23408567
No, it's a mainstream book by a Jewish Harvard geneticist. If you want to learn more about the Aryans, see "Horse, Wheel, and Language".
Basically the an English judge who traveled to India in the 1700s noticed the uncanny similarities between the language of the Vedas -- Sanskrit -- and those of European languages like Greek and Latin. So similar it could not be coincidence. Thus a root population was hypothesized for this language family called Indo-European Languages. The invaders who conquered swaths of Central and South Asia called themselves "Arya" in the Vedas. So that term was adopted as the name of the hypothesized population that did that + conquered Europe. Through archaeology and now genetics, we know that this population, which was renamed to Proto-Indo-Europeans after the term Aryan was abandoned in WW2, likely originated in European Russia and Ukraine. In this gif>>23408508
it would be the "Yamna culture". These people left by far their largest genetic legacy in Europe, following a general North-South gradient.

[Anonymous No.23408590]

>>23408583
Thanks anon, good post

[Anonymous No.23408591]

>>23408200
Bump because I'm a fan of novel racialist worldviews.

[sage No.23408592]

>>23408200
>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.23408614]

>>23408583
huh interesting, is there backlash to all of this? i havent kept up with american politics in 5 months.Although i can imagine

[Anonymous No.23408621]

>>23408510
The Greeks absolutely had words for colors, they just divided the spectrum differently than we do, and sometimes used terms to suggest intensity.

[Anonymous No.23408628]

>>23408548
Fantasy literature.

[Anonymous No.23408672]

>>23408510
from Anne Carson, If Not, Winter: Fragments of Sappho

fragment #23
] of desire

]

] for when I look at you

] such a Hermione

] and to yellowhaired Helen I liken you

]

] among mortal women, know this

] from every care

] you could release me

]

dewy riverbanks

] to last all night long

https://sharonbryanpoet.com/2022/10/18/unintentional-silences-in-poetry-sappho/

[Anonymous No.23408673]

>>23408510
>Greeks didn't have words for colors
Retarded

[Anonymous No.23408680]

>>23408591
Niggers

[Anonymous No.23408697]

>>23408200
Ancient greeks probably had swarthy people among them, but still Caucasian. I wouldn't be surprised to find people of a maltese or sicilian complexion. Makes sense considering they were a Mediterranean civilization first and foremost, but Mongol is pushing it. How would central asians reach Greece? And why do we have 0 genetic evidence of them.

[Anonymous No.23409122]

>>23408200
Nice try, how come their statues are all white then?

[Anonymous No.23409155]

Article about Helleno-Roman racial condition: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eyQNLG7mObjaNN9MkxHjwCTQlKVeQzwd0DQsq8zuoeA/edit

[Anonymous No.23409157]

>>23408672
Thats English

>>23408621
Those aren't the names of the colors themselves, they are descriptive words

>>23408673
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.23409188]

>mongols
>because they mixed with slavs and turks, two non-mongol populations
Are you genuinely fucking braindead?

[Anonymous No.23409198]

>>23408200
Hellenics != Greeks, if I'm not mistaken.

[Anonymous No.23409204]

>>23409157
>Those aren't the names of the colors themselves, they are descriptive words
Where do you think our words for colors came from? Color-words always start as descriptions of the sort "plant-like" or "burnt-looking". But beyond that, the Greeks absolutely used those words as color words.

[Anonymous No.23409510]

>>23408200
german autistic scientist said a thing, no way

[Anonymous No.23409532]

>>23408583
saars do not read this post indians are the aryans do not read

[Anonymous No.23409537]

>>23408464
omgggg some godly characters in mythic narratives were described as having fair hair!!!!! therefore all greeks were like their godly mythic characters, notwithstanding their being represented by themselves in both paintings of their uncountable amphoras, psykters, kylikes and statues as dark haired

[Anonymous No.23409635]

>>23409157
It’s dual language. If you bothered to click the link, Anne Carson has the Greek also laid out.

[Anonymous No.23409662]

>>23408591
Why 75% for the last pic?

[Anonymous No.23409670]

>>23409635
It doesn't translate to "blonde hair" as we know it. It could have been dark hair with a slight reddish hue for all we know

[Anonymous No.23409761]

>>23408200
Don't give a shit. Take it to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.23409818]

>>23409670
Nta, but that that it translates a different range than our words isn't evidence against it being a color word. I'll add evidence via Plato's Timaeus: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plat.+Tim.+68

[Anonymous No.23409882]

>>23409188
slavs and turks are fully mongolian, never been white