/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.23376452]

Mother's Day Edition

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>>23364081

Who's your favorite mother?

[Anonymous No.23376465]

Reccs for oneshota energy?

[Anonymous No.23376478]

As a reminder there's also sff stuff in this folder of the same mega: https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/syhUEZyS

[Anonymous No.23376594]

These books are kino, I wish more people talked about them.

[Anonymous No.23376615]

Reccomend me an sffg book that has a tall woman/short man pairing

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.23376636]

Iron Gold, Red Rising Saga #4 - Pierce Brown (2018)

Ten years at war have passed and little remains as it was, not only for the characters, but for the readers and author as well. The first trilogy was entirely the story of Darrow. It is no longer. He is now one viewpoint among four, all told from the first person perspective. Lyria is a Red disillusioned by broken promises and the trauma she's endured. Ephraim, a Gray, is a disaffected former member of the Sons of Ares who has turned to a life of crime. Lysander, the Gold exile, wanders through space without much purpose, until an opportunity arrives. How much each of these new viewpoints matter is arguable, though it seems inarguable to me to say that Darrow's narrative remains dominant. The new viewpoints are a welcome addition that I appreciate. I hope that it remains this way for the rest of the series. If this had remained solely Darrow's story I would've enjoyed it much less

Only ~40% of those who rated the third book rated this one, it's even less for /sffg/, and it's the lowest rated book in the series. It may be that many were satisfied with what they got from the first trilogy and didn't need any more. It also suggests that quite a few weren't pleased with the direction that Brown chose for the second trilogy, which is understandable, as much of it feels like a new series rather than a continuation. The first trilogy was about aspiration, revenge, and revolution. Despite all the terrible things that happened, there was optimism, confidence, and competence. Everything was much simpler then, including the characters and narrative. This second trilogy seems to be about the opposite in several ways. Those who want to continue to fully and blindly support Darrow may be disappointed or upset. After considering the reception that doing similarly in other series has received, it seems evident that turning against reader expectations for a character is a risky gamble.

For me the most interesting questions though are why these changes happened and whether I should accept them for for what they are. I wonder how much these changes are because Brown became better at writing, was unsatisfied with what he had written, and because this was the natural evolution of the characters and story. What's presented here definitely wants me to take it seriously, which isn't how I felt about the previous books, but I don't know that I should because that means I'd have to judge it in a different way. I don't know that Brown can quite live up to being judged seriously, though perhaps the following books may change my mind. I believe this transition to be a good thing, at least in terms of my preferences. The characters are more developed, the plot is more complex, everything seems more meaningful, and interesting narrative choices are made. However, it's also much less fun and ridiculousness I enjoyed is gone. It's unfortunate when technical improvement leaves readers behind.

Rating: 3.5/5 (4)

[Anonymous No.23376642]

>>23376465
>>23376615
kill yourself retards

[Anonymous No.23376647]

>>23376642
I won't

[Anonymous No.23376689]

>>23376636
your """reviews""" are SHIT. fuck off

[Anonymous No.23376715]

Greatest fantasy ever penned

[Anonymous No.23376774]

>>23376715
Damn, seems like Redditors hate this one - so it must be good. Never heard of it.

[Anonymous No.23376777]

>>23376715
True.

>>23376452
>Who's your favorite mother?
Why, Esmenet, of course.

[Anonymous No.23376785]

>>23376715
>cuck and rape fantasy - the book

[Anonymous No.23376796]

>>23376785
You didn’t read it, Sandernigger.
Even if you tried, you’re far too stupid to pick up on the deeper themes and meanings behind all the provocations.

[Anonymous No.23376904]

>>23376715
That's not Malazan. Malazan has names names names but they have meaning, Bakker just infodumps you some nonsensical lore with no context for 3 pages straight and you fuckers gulp that shit, only coming for air to ask for more.

[Anonymous No.23377088]

>I like cunny.
What the fuck is wrong with these authors?

[Anonymous No.23377120]

I like cunny too ToT

[Anonymous No.23377200]

Came across a reading of an Ellison story by the man himself.
https://youtu.be/-ptqnzlM1T0?feature=shared

Wonder if there's more. He's pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.23377228]

Got caught up with tenebroum. I think the best parts are the brief vignettes of side characters coping with the apocalypse and the moments of humanity before they are cruelly snatched away.

But also, when the lich gets petulant about things not going its way I think that is very cute. Tenebroum is gap moe.

[Anonymous No.23377235]

Someone explain the sophons in 3 body problem please. My understanding was there are 2 proton sized alien supercomputers in the particle accelerator machines that fucked up all physics so we can't do any tests. why is it later shown though that these sophons encompass the world actually and and know all human action? Was it the same sophons that were in the particle accelerator? If they're encompassing the world now, doesn't that mean our physics can advance again?

[Anonymous No.23377258]

>>23377235
[SPOILER] The world includes the particle accelerators. They are light particles so they can effectively travel the entire square area of earth in X time allowing them to fuck with all measurements, and read every bit on earth all in a moment. [/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.23377272]

>>23377258
Unless I'm remembering it wrong, why is it shown they were put in particle accelerators at first if encompassing the world fucks up our science regardless?

[Anonymous No.23377303]

>>23377272
[SPOILER] misremembered sorry, they don't have to be at the accelerators 24/7, because they only have to fuck with the tests WHEN we test. Disregard the stuff about fucking with everything [/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.23377325]

>>23376904
malazan is gay. Bakker is king

[Anonymous No.23377378]

>>23377258
>>23377303
You have the IQ of a fish Spoilertard

[Anonymous No.23377388]

>>23377272
>why is it shown they were put in particle accelerators at first if encompassing the world fucks up our science
They move at light speed so can zip into the particle accelerators, then troll some guy with numbers in his eyes, at seemingly the speed of light.

Also because Li is retarded, they could have just given every human an embolism simultaneously.

Or block out light on the planet by expanding to 3 dimensions.

Or defend against the threats of the dark forest.

Or stabilise their own solar system forever.

According to Li, a race of beings advanced enough to create deus ex machina machines are terrified of anything.

Fucking garbage.

Op because you are the type of person to ask questions, you will only get more frustrated with this series. It's been hyped by Chinese bot farms, and herd mentality took over.

[Anonymous No.23377395]

>>23377378
>Spoilertard
12 year old shlocky sci fi for retards pushed by the prc.

There's nothing really to spoil here except deus ex machinas that make no sense if you think about them a little.

[Anonymous No.23377403]

>>23377088
What book?

[Anonymous No.23377417]

Was this just a product of it's time? Finished reading it for the first time and it is completely generic and boring.

[Anonymous No.23377456]

>>23377200
You can find a lot out of Ellison on youtube. I've been going through that series of short talks he did for a sci fi channel way back.

[Anonymous No.23377473]

Bakker is king

[Anonymous No.23377565]

>>23376452
Do not read Mother Of Learning.

[Anonymous No.23377655]

Did your reading ever result in social fuckups as a kid?
>mum, what does incest mean?
aged 8, reading an Arthurian book after dinner with the family

[Anonymous No.23377658]

>>23377655
When I was 12 my mum gave me The Lovely Bones to read

I'm not sure why

[Anonymous No.23377663]

>>23377655
No. My parents gifted me my first "real" book for Christmas when I was 6. It was about Greek legends and I found the incestuous relationships between the gods a bit odd at first but I forgot about them soon because all those cool god powers and monsters were more interesting.

[Anonymous No.23378017]

>Agia and Agelus were lovers
I wonder why I didn't notice that on the first read.

[Anonymous No.23378089]

>>23376452
Grendel's mother.
Ol' bitch was tough.

[Anonymous No.23378151]

>>23377655
bro that image is so funny. every time i see it i laugh a little. it's just so funny imagining an italian chef loading a gun with noodles to shoot himself in the head.

[Anonymous No.23378220]

>>23378017
Because you don't readily assume incest.

[Anonymous No.23378236]

>>23377403
Lolita

[Anonymous No.23378241]

Since you fucks hate everything, give me a book one of you wrote so we can shit on you too

[Anonymous No.23378245]

>>23378236

[Anonymous No.23378355]

>>23378220
Did Wolfe mean to foreshadow Severian would eventually marry his sister?

[Anonymous No.23378403]

>>23377417
Listening to audio book of it and I find it boring, enjoying Shadow of Torturer much more.

[Anonymous No.23378436]

John Lee ruins every Peter F Hamilton or Alistair Reynolds novel he narrates its not fucking fair bros

[Anonymous No.23378462]

>>23376774
>Redditors hate this one
Just bought the whole trilogy without even reading what it's about

[Anonymous No.23378463]

>>23376904
Malazan is gay.
>bro I swear, it gets good in book 12
>bro please listen to me, Toll the Hounds is actually the turning point

[Anonymous No.23378479]

>>23378462
>i am immune to propaganda

[Anonymous No.23378553]

>>23376452
I am in the middle of a long fantasy series. 9 books are the main story, and 7 books are "side" books.
They go like this: 3 main > 3 side > 3 main > 4 side > 3 main
Technically, they are all sequels to each other.
I completed 6 main and went back to reading the sides I skipped. But it's literally torture reading them. The author tried too hard to push strong female characters. I want to drop them and go back to the main story, but doing so would mean I would miss important details on the main story.

What would you do in this situation?

[Anonymous No.23378561]

>>23378553
skip and read a summary. dont waste time on something you dont like

[Anonymous No.23378563]

>>23378553
also, what series?

[Anonymous No.23378567]

>>23376715
I read it a few years ago and mostly enjoyed it. Some scenes and characters are still lodged in my memory, but I can't remember the main plot for the life of me.

[Anonymous No.23378600]

>>23378563
sounds like realm of the elderlings
the first 3 "side" books are based, the last 4 are pretty meh

[Anonymous No.23378602]

>>23377417
What are you talking about? It’s still a unique premise and setting. The stuff with the bells is real interesting.
In fact I should probably give it a reread. Thanks for the reminder…

[Anonymous No.23378608]

>>23378553
I'd tell you to look for a synopsis and read in detail about those aspects you might miss. Personally I'd suffer through them.

[Anonymous No.23378617]

>>23378553
>But it's literally torture reading them. The author tried too hard to push strong female characters. I want to drop them
are you retarded? stop reading hacks. Stop reading long series. Read standalones

[Anonymous No.23378623]

>>23378600
yeah from the numbers that's also what I thought. I'm currently reading mad ship and while I prefer the Fitz stories, I didnt find it as bad as the other anon.

[Anonymous No.23378625]

>>23378600
>realm of the elderlings
That would be correct. Everyone praises the trilogy I am struggling with. I hate all the women in this shit. I can't.

[Anonymous No.23378627]

>>23378625
there's gonna be rape, does that help?

[Anonymous No.23378656]

>>23378627
I am finishing the second book. I am way past the rape. It was whatever when she got repeatedly raped . I do not care what happens to any of these characters.

[Anonymous No.23378681]

>>23378567
Nigga you should check with the doctor, it's not like the plot was complicated. In the first series they walk to Shimeh, in the second they walk to golden horns

[Anonymous No.23378761]

SHIMEH!!!!

[Anonymous No.23378827]

>>23376615
see
>>23376636

[Anonymous No.23378875]

>>23376636
>Those who want to continue to fully and blindly support Darrow may be disappointed or upset. After considering the reception that doing similarly in other series has received, it seems evident that turning against reader expectations for a character is a risky gamble.
are you retarded? darrow is one of only three people in this book that has their head screwed on straight. if you read this book and somehow came away thinking that darrow is a conflicted character then youre a fucking retard. he isnt conflicted, hes AFFlicted by his responsibilities that demand such inhuman sacrifices.

darrow is if not inspired by, then at the very least subconciously influenced by letoII and paul. the god of liberation cannot stand beside those he frees. the price of liberty is blood, and darrow spends it well because he's a fucking g.

[Anonymous No.23378896]

>>23377388
insanely bold of you to assume proton computers are some super weapon when it is explicitly stated that theyre like apes smashing sticks together compared to the technology wielded in the dark forest.

did you even read ths books? THE UNIVERSE looks the way it does because of the technology posessed by the other races in the forrest. a fucking proton computer is not going to defend against a light speed projectile slamming into a star. and even if it could, it sure as hell isnt going to defend against the LITERAL MAGIC that is the piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.23378959]

How is Trials of Apollo in comparison to the other series? Used to love PJ as a kid, read HoO some time ago in a couple of days when bored -- was OK, some cool new ideas, but mostly more of the same. I hear the villains in picrel are Roman emperors, does that work well?

[Anonymous No.23378996]

>>23377417
One of the very few series I've dropped after 1 book

It wasn't like it was awful or anything. My reaction was something like: "Naw, man... This series maybe is for teenagers "
Just too simple
I'm going back to my SciFi which would put young people to sleep.

[Anonymous No.23379000]

>>23378896
>a fucking proton computer is not going to defend against a light speed projectile slamming into a star.
And yet it's used to interrupt light speed reactions inside particle accelerators.

Interrupt optic nerve matrices, or excite the retina to show a digital fucking clock.

Genius.

The problem with people like you is you think the answers are to be found in the books. Not in common sense or knowledge.

[Anonymous No.23379030]

>>23378875
Yes, I agree with you that some of the inspirations for Darrow are Paul and Leto. One of the primary differences is perspective and a difference in values. Every Dune book after the first shows that Paul isn't a hero and that most everything about his rise to power was propaganda. In the end, Paul ends up as almost nothing at all, wandering into the desert to die because of what he had done and what he saw of the future. The books show that genocide and war are bad. They don't glorify it at all nor worship him. Leto being a "god emperor" is a joke at best, especially considering his utterly humiliating death. Great books and characters, but certainly not anyone admirable, and they don't have to be.

For Iron Gold, the titular Iron Gold, Romulus Au Raa, commits ceremonial suicide. That's ridiculous and outside of the Rim it's rightly considered so. Darrow himself was going to commit suicide as well to blow some Golds up, merely as a pawn of the Son of Ares. Of course, it has its supporters, such as those who'd see Japanese ritual suicide as truly amazing. For Darrow, he explicitly states that his invasion of Mercury was a extremely idiotic strategic blunder and not worth the sacrifices it cost in the slightest. A lot of the book clearly presents Darrow as a great revolutionary, but once he's become the establishment he's much less useful. He completely fails to keep his impulses in check and knows it. He continually makes terrible decisions and his allies even tell him that, but he doesn't care. He doesn't spend blood well. Yes, the sociopathic and narcissistic model has its proponents here, primarily in those who see Xianxia webnovels with utterly amoral protagonists as the ideal. To a lesser extent this applies to the Bakkerposters as well. Overall, Iron Gold shows how compromised Darrow has become and that he's mostly propaganda, as was always intended. Darrow even says he's lost the boy he was. The Iron Rain was a mistake and the Senate acted correctly. The Senate made mistakes, but that wasn't one of them.

I've only read some of Dark Age, but so far all the utter disasters could've been avoided if Darrow hadn't acted on his own. The Storm Gods disaster seems to have been another bad decision, at least in terms of not committing genocide and having your allies be even more angry with you. Then there's the continuing trend of having to kill your allies, in this case, Orion.

In terms of the risky gamble, another example would be how at the end of the Game of Thrones TV series Daenerys just kills everyone and then is killed. .

Who else has their "head screwed on straight"?

[Anonymous No.23379458]

>>23378479
>Okay fine, don't use reverse psychology

[Anonymous No.23379475]

Anyone got an archive of the pathfinder tales novels? Was told to ask here instead of /tg/.

[Anonymous No.23379518]

Just finished pics related and enjoyed it a lot.

[Anonymous No.23379519]

>>23379475
You can get them individually. I don't know if there's a single collection you can download all at once. Use Anna's Archive.

[Anonymous No.23379533]

>>23378959
> the villains in picrel are Roman emperors
Sounds very pozzed

[Anonymous No.23379541]

>>23378959
From what I've read the work is a bit more serious but from the first chapter you can see that the chapters are titled after Apollo'd bad poetry so I guess the humor's still front and center. I've heard that Riordan's world has become pretty gay, tho, so take that as you will

[Anonymous No.23379553]

>>23379519
Unfortunately, a single collection is what I am looking for. Guess I'll do it one at a time.

[Anonymous No.23379562]

I like reading forgotten folklore.

[Anonymous No.23379657]

>>23379553
Your best bet is finding a torrent with the collection

[Anonymous No.23379684]

>>23376594
Garth Nix is a massive shitlib.

[Anonymous No.23379738]

Any magical girl books out there? Pic related as an example.

[Anonymous No.23379829]

>>23379657
Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.23379869]

Never read Asimov before and I recently bought the Foundation "trilogy" from a thrift store. What is your opinion of Asimov?

[Anonymous No.23379938]

>>23378355
spoiler it you cunt

[Anonymous No.23379950]

>>23376774
>Never heard of it.
Welcome to /sffg/

[Anonymous No.23379958]

>>23377200
Harlan loved voicing his own works, he felt he was the only one that was really fit for it as the story's parent. You can find tons of audiobooks narrated by him. He truly loved radio and you can tell.

[Anonymous No.23380187]

>>23379738
Kiki's Delivery Service 魔女の宅急便

[Anonymous No.23380445]

>>23379869
Impressive sideburns

[Anonymous No.23380624]

>>23376594
I just binged the entire Old Kingdom series. I was really enthusiastic at first - I enjoyed Lirael, Abhorsen, then Clariel and Across the Wall the best. The latter books were kind of a drag. And honestly some of the short stories were more intriguing than the novels, if only to show a glimpse into that world.
>>23377417
Nah it's really boring and ends with a deux ex machina.
Also holy shit the Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant are so much better on a re-read. Like 5 times better now that I kinda know what the fucks going on and realized every character has their own agenda. People complain that Donaldson gave up on the lore of the first trilogy but he really doubles down on certain aspects of it in the last 4 book.s

[Anonymous No.23380718]

>>23379000
>interupt lightspeed reactions inside particle accelerators
thats not what it does.

>interupt optic nerve matrices
this is explicitly stated to NOT be how it does it.

>common sense
>for a fiction universe
the problem with people like you is that you cant distinguish fantasy from reality.

[Anonymous No.23380720]

>>23379030
All youre doing is making emotional judgements.

[Anonymous No.23380811]

>>23380718
>fantasy from reality.
Ah, the 'you guys this series is so amazing it so science and really opened my eyes' science fiction book is now fantasy.

Hey, I love fantasy. What I don't like is badly thought through, ret conned slop, peddled by a foreign government.

Nobody thinks your smart for reading such bad prose, terrible dialogue, and justifying the massive potholes, quite the opposite.

[Anonymous No.23380969]

Do you like it?

[Anonymous No.23380988]

>>23380811
its called internal consistency. youre making consistency critiqs based on reality, and applying them to fiction.

nobody is saying rhe prose is good
nobody is saying the dialogue is good

your claims of retcons and plotholes are based on illigitimate critique, and are wrong. its that fucking simple.

[Anonymous No.23380991]

>>23379030
Is this a troll? Half the things you said about Iron Gold are false, and almost your entire recounting of the beginning of dark age is a straight up lie.

[Anonymous No.23381193]

>>23380720
>>23380991
Nice try, but I'm not going to baited into bad faith arguing more than that unlike the Will of Many anon.

[Anonymous No.23381219]

>>23378602
The overlapping magic systems is the only part of it I enjoyed; not enough to read any of the other books though. Premise and setting are both average and the story doesn't do anything with them.

[Anonymous No.23381262]

Bros, Dalinar's backstory in Oathbringer has been insanely good.

[Anonymous No.23381314]

>>23381193
Well done anon, learning from my mistakes. I was seriously worried I was about to see 30 consecutive "THAT LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED YOU SNIVELING RAT, YOU DISHONEST MAGGOT, YOU SLIMY SCALAWAG" posts.

[Anonymous No.23381403]

>>23381193
I'm not going to argue with you. Most of it would be subjective interpretation of themes and motivations and blah blah but there is one thing you are objectively wrong on.

The storm god disaster was literally caused by Orion, after darrow trusted her to follow the plan. Yknow, Darrow not acting on his own? They were supposed to cause a storm that would knock out comms and make air travel dangerous.. They were not supposed to kill millions of civilians.. There's even a line beforehand about how most civilians would be able to avoid the danger (assuming they didn't go beyond first horizon). So this is just you, yes, making shit up...

If youre not willing to acknowledge that you got that wrong, then your reciews are worthless. So far as I can tell you rely heavily on interpretation, and regularly discount the face value of the books you review.

I mean for fucks sake this line?
>Iron Gold shows how compromised Darrow has become and that he's mostly propaganda, as was always intended
Is fucking absurd. Time and time again in Iron Gold we are subjected to Darrows internal monologue wherein it is explicitly shown time and time and time again that the only conflict in his character is that he cannot be both a liberator and a father. The Reaper is not compromised. And the fact that you wrote that sentence would have been enough to demonstrate how poorly you comprehend the books you read, let alone everything else.

That other anon was right, I thought he was exagerating but no. Your """reviews""" are SHIT.

>>23381314
okay but what you said happened literally didnt happen, get over it lmao.

[Anonymous No.23381451]

>>23381403
Yes, Darrow putting Orion in that position was a mistake. He even says that she wouldn't have passed the psych exam unless the examiner had allowed for those results. When starting the Storm Gods up it's said that there's a 40% (2 million in 5 million) chance that they just explode and kill everyone. Darrow took that chance. He's reckless and assumes that things will just work out, most of the time anway. He's assumes that they'll just all die as well sometimes too.. He knew that there was a very high chance that Orion would go out of control. That's why there was a literally a kill switch. He used it without much hesitation at all because he was already mentally prepared to do so because he knew it was a likely outcome. Ultimately, the commander is responsible for everything they order others to do. That's how it works. If someone fails then that's the fault of leadership for assigning the wrong person. So, yes, Orion literally did it, but the fault is Darrow's. If you want argue that officers bear no responsibility for the actions of their subordinate then that's a different matter. Good luck finding military examples where that's not the case. I'm only responding to this because as you say, it's objective and you're wrong about whose responsibility it is.

I believe you entirely misunderstand what I mean by "compromised". That's about ideology. I didn't write anything about personal conflicts.

[Anonymous No.23381452]

>>23376465
>>23376636
>>23376715
>>23377235
>>23377258
>>23377325
>>23377473
>>23379869
>>23380969
Great post anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good?!?!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good???? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?

[Anonymous No.23381456]

23381452
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.23381457]

>>23381451
your """reviews""" are SHIT. fuck off

[Anonymous No.23381462]

>>23381457
Responses aren't reviews.

[Anonymous No.23381468]

>>23381462
Then why do they contain the same maladaptive perceptual blindspots as the reviews?

[Anonymous No.23381476]

>>23381468
Because they're written by the same person.

[Anonymous No.23381494]

>>23378959
They weren't great. I liked them less than heroes of Olympus for sure.

I also didn't get to the end. Riordan now has a habit of making like half of the people you meet fags. It was really obvious that he was shoehorning in the gays.
I'm not a person who is thrown off by gays in books. I liked the way Niko was done in HOO. But Riordan does a bad job. Random characters that you meet for the first and only time always contrive some way to inform the reader that the eat muff or suck dick.

[Anonymous No.23381529]

>>23381476
I think he lives his life in review.

[Anonymous No.23381545]

>>23381529
How dreary.

[Anonymous No.23381553]

>>23381545
It's pronounced Quoth

[Anonymous No.23381704]

>>23380988
>youre making consistency critiqs based on reality, and applying them to fiction.
>nobody is saying rhe prose is good
>nobody is saying the dialogue is good
So we're agreed. We can't apply science to this fiction. And the prose and dialogue is dogshit.

And you're defending this because...?

[Anonymous No.23381861]

>>23381704
>And you're defending this
I'm not?

[Anonymous No.23381867]

Ok MorningLightMountain is really fucking neat, just finished reading the first chapter it shows up in Pandora's Star. Their entire species kind of reminds me of a group of people playing a giant ass 4x strategy game

[Anonymous No.23381942]

this is the worst fucking thing i've ever read.

[Anonymous No.23381952]

is it actually good or is it just le edgy?

[Anonymous No.23382018]

What's with just about all of Harlan Ellison's works being out of print and ridiculously hard to find? I'm aware Greatest Hits just came but why is it so hard finding something like I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream or Vic and Blood without paying a stupid amount for them

[Anonymous No.23382063]

>>23381942
It should've been obvious what you'd think of it before you read it.

>>23381952
The latter, though there are many who think former and latter are one and the same. Not so much here though.

[Anonymous No.23382070]

>>23381867
Almost every post I've seen here says the same of MLM. Personally I thought it was only a moderately interesting different form of consciousness.

[Anonymous No.23382110]

>"It was not called Nessus then, for the River was unpoisoned."
What did Jonas mean? Is there a particular connection between the word Nessus and poison. I thought the city was called that because of a mispronunciation of Nexus.

[Anonymous No.23382174]

>>23382110
>Is there a particular connection between the word Nessus and poison.
Nessus was the centaur whose blood was used to poison Herakles.

[Anonymous No.23382234]

>>23382174
That would imply the original city had something to do with Herakles. Is Nessus on Greece perhaps? The common theory it is Buenos Aires, no?

[Anonymous No.23382261]

Read Journey to the Center of the Earth, 80 Days, 20K Leagues, what else should I read by Verne?

[Anonymous No.23382273]

>>23378463
For me it was the very end of the last book where something happens to an important character by another character that was obviously an attempt at LE SUBVERSION, and other characters are all like, 'Da fuck?" and the character who did it literally said, "2deep4u," and that was it. No other explanation for what just happened or why.
Brilliant writing.

[Anonymous No.23382280]

>>23379738
Is this a tranny book?

[Anonymous No.23382295]

>>23382280
>he doesn't know we are all little girls around here

[Anonymous No.23382302]

>malazan has such good worldbuilding
no it fucking doesnt
what do they eat? what clothes do they wear? what are their houses like? what kind of art or literature do they have? what is the economy like, capitalist? what science or technology do they have? what is government administration, or taxation, or the legal system like?
there's very little info on this stuff

[Anonymous No.23382355]

>>23381456
Go back to whichever popularity-fueled social-aggregate you heard about 4chan from. You don't fit in nor do you contribute. Mind your ego; while these statements in the present time pertain to you directly, you are not the only habitual offender to gloat over thread destruction.

[Anonymous No.23382427]

>>23381952
It's good. Just get past the first few chapters which are absolutely 'just le edgy'

[Anonymous No.23382484]

>>23382234
I haven't read the book. I'm just answering why the word Nessus is associated with poison.

[Anonymous No.23382490]

>>23382484
>>23382234
To be more specific and detailed Nessus was slewn..slown? Killed. By Herakles in a river. As he lay dying he told Herk's wife Deianira (literally means Husband Killer) that his blood would be a great love potion to use on the demi god. She took some, Slipped Herk the potion and then BLARG.

[Anonymous No.23382564]

>>23382490
I see that's interesting. Thanks. Odd choice if name just to say the city is poisoning the river, which is a plotline that doesn't even play a big role in tBotNS.

[Anonymous No.23382575]

>>23376904
Reading The Black Company makes me hate Malazan even more. Malazan is a blatant copy. Its disgusting. Dont give that inspiration crap, its just a worse version.

[Anonymous No.23382665]

Rec me some kino that has pic related vibes.

[Anonymous No.23382677]

>>23382665
RIP

[Anonymous No.23382777]

Trying to find a sci-fi one shot I read a long time ago. Basically an AI was tasked with creating a utopia, and decided to do so by seperating the human race. Sending men to mars and women to venus before terminating itself after informing the protagonist of this. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I forgot its name.

[Anonymous No.23382944]

>>23382564
Eh, you know how some hacks can be. Toss in a mythological or literary reference here and there and you're suddenly more highbrow than you were otherwise.

[Anonymous No.23382946]

>>23382777
Vandread?

[Anonymous No.23383021]

>>23382575
Having read both series in their entirety you are a retard

[Anonymous No.23383103]

How are Le Guin's The Word for World is Forest, The Lathe of Heaven, and The Wizard of Earthsea for comfy escapism? I just want to not be here and stuff I'm currently reading isn't doing it.

[Anonymous No.23383210]

>>23383103
>The Word
Colonialism, crimes against humanity, slavery, etc

>Lathe
Apocalypse, doom for all, surrealism

>Earthsea
Guy goes to magic school, wanders around, problems, dragons

[Anonymous No.23383216]

I'm rereading Fellowship of the Ring, planning to reread all the books and then watch it's movie equivalent. It's been a hot while since I sat down with all the books (though I've reread The Hobbit frequently) so I'm enjoying catching up again. Though man you do forget how much of Fellowship gets cut between Tom and the Barrow-Wights. It's like halfway through the book before they even get to the Prancing Pony.

[Anonymous No.23383286]

Are there any good fantasy novels with a setting similar to Arcanum where it's still a fantasy world but the civilization is more like the 19th century than the Middle Ages?

[Anonymous No.23383312]

>>23383286
Isn't that basically just asking for any good steampunk novels?

[Anonymous No.23383343]

>>23383216
Yea I just got a new hardcover set of lotr to replace my old busted paperback copy. I just read The Hobbit like 2 months ago but I'll probably read it again from the new set since I read like 5 or six books in the interim.

[Anonymous No.23383391]

>>23383312
Do steampunk novels have magic and mythical creatures and all that? I’ve never read one and assumed they were just sci-fi with a Victorian aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.23383397]

>>23383343
I got the hardback one volume illustrated edition of LoTR and also the Hobbit as a birthday present. I had actually passed on them in the past thinking the one volume version would be too clunky but it's surprisingly comfortable and seeing it in person as opposed to an online store page I actually really like the writing on the outside of the pages. I may have to grab the Silmarillion to complete the set. I still really want to get that Alan Lee box set too. And there are these new box sets of the History of Middle Earth coming out. My wallets gonna feel this one.

[Anonymous No.23383492]

What are some good "underground" sci-fi and fantasy novels that people might not know about?

[Anonymous No.23383497]

>>23383492
>What are some good "underground" sci-fi and fantasy
Pellucidar.

[Anonymous No.23383508]

>>23383497
What in the blazers is wrong with you? Answer the question, you hooked nosed frog kisser.

[Anonymous No.23383525]

>>23383286
arguably Discworld which is undergoing an industrial revolution of sorts

[Anonymous No.23383530]

give me some chad non pozzed sci fi and fantasy. right now.

[Anonymous No.23383538]

>>23383103
Earthsea will probably fit the bill

Lathe is not comfy escapism. Feels like something PKD could have written. From my vague recollection its overall tone is about accepting change

[Anonymous No.23383545]

>>23383492
here are the booktubers i go to for SF recommendations, and some novels you might want to read:

Jirel of Joiry CL Moore,
Northwest Smith CL Moore
Inter Ice Age 4 Kobo Abe
Farewell, Earth's Bliss DG Compton
Pavane Keith Roberts
To Your Scattered Bodies Go Philip Jose Farmer
The Pastel City M. John Harrison
Moderan David R. Bunch
Other Days, Other Eyes Bob Shaw
The Chalk Giants Keith Roberts
The Twilight of Briareus Richard Cowper
The Female Man Joanna Russ
Midnight at the Well of Souls Jack L. Chalker
Night's Master Tanith Lee
Brightness Falls From the Air James Tipree Jr
A Song for Arbonne Gy Gavriel Kay
Visitor CJ Cherryh
Life During Wartime Lucius Shepard
Madouc Jack Vance

[Anonymous No.23383550]

>>23383545
Ty anon

[Anonymous No.23383739]

>>23376452
Are there any good novels set in an fantasy asia? I dont mean the cultivation stuff

[Anonymous No.23383788]

>>23381952
>1st person pov
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.23383853]

>>23383739
>I dont mean the cultivation stuff
You precluded that when you said the word GOOD

[Anonymous No.23383881]

>>23383286
I know what you're talking about anon. I've been looking for some books similar to arcanum as well. Check out Perdido Street Station. It has what you're looking for if you can stomach some weird shit

[Anonymous No.23383946]

>>23383545
part of the reason the thread is trash is because of opinionated 14-25 year olds getting their opinions from utube ecelebs

[Anonymous No.23383964]

why dont people like first person?

[Anonymous No.23384005]

>>23383964
I don't have any particular dislike of it but it can often make for a very limited perspective.

[Anonymous No.23384009]

>>23383964
I don't like being stuck on 1 character. That's one of the reasons I dropped Red Rising after 13 grueling chapters.

[Anonymous No.23384013]

>>23384009
That's really the crux of it. It can work, but you REALLY need to have an engaging lead narrator more so than other perspectives.

[Anonymous No.23384057]

>>23384009
have you tried reading iron gold? its first person with multiple narrators.

[Anonymous No.23384071]

>>23384057
Why would I read the 4th book in a series without the others?

[Anonymous No.23384109]

>>23384071
its not really the fourth so much as it is book one of the second trilogy. very different book.

[Anonymous No.23384126]

>>23384109
Eh. Doing stuff like that never felt right to me. It's like watching the Return of the King first. My autism demands I watch/read everything up to that point.

[Anonymous No.23384174]

>>23384126
it would be more like watching the fellowship before the hobbit.

[Anonymous No.23384333]

I'm looking for some modern sword and sorcery, does this fit the bill?

[Anonymous No.23384347]

>>23383946
those are not ecelebs, they are old boomers who read and collect literary SF and are off the beaten track from mainstream authors. and you need to listen to advice of older and more experienced people or you will waste your entire life repeating the same mistakes generation to generation.

[Anonymous No.23384379]

>>23384333
It for sure does have swords.

[Anonymous No.23384390]

You guys weren't kidding about Red Rising
It was totally worth it!

[Anonymous No.23384394]

>>23384390
told u bro

[Anonymous No.23384395]

>>23384390
great post :p

[Anonymous No.23384441]

>>23384333
no
it's chosen one/heroic fantasy

[Anonymous No.23384452]

What does /lit/ think about the Prince of Nothing trilogy?

[Anonymous No.23384459]

>>23384452
nothing

[Anonymous No.23384462]

>>23384459
Dead.

[Anonymous No.23384491]

>>23384390
where are you at?

[Anonymous No.23384513]

>>23384452
an hero bakkerfuck

[Anonymous No.23384516]

>>23384513
Who hurt you, bro?

[Anonymous No.23384543]

>>23384126
Don't listen to that retard, it's not a series you can just skip to book 4 on.

[Anonymous No.23384545]

What are the best Chinese fantasy novels? Not looking for gamelit or cultivation or whatever zoomer crap is trendy these days but stuff like an actual book.

[Anonymous No.23384570]

>>23383788
Agreed. First-person POVs are so gay.

[Anonymous No.23384582]

>>23384545
The only chinese fantasy I've read is the Poppy War trilogy. It's like avatar the last airbender but with more edge

[Anonymous No.23384637]

>>23384582
R. F. Kuang is a cunt. Imagine wasting time reading anything she's written.

[Anonymous No.23384670]

>>23384545
I've heard good things about Dandelion Dynasty. Was thinking about checking it out later this year when I'm in the mood for fantasy, it's finished as well with a total of 4 beefy novels too.

[Anonymous No.23384685]

>>23384637
Perhaps. You'll find reading more enjoyable if you separate the author from their work and, you know, focus on the book.

[Anonymous No.23384723]

>>23384670
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_text=DANDELION&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

[Anonymous No.23384748]

>>23384582
R.F. Kuang left China at 4 years old and is thoroughly Western. Not really "Chinese" fantasy.

>>23384670
>Ken Liu
11 years old when he left, so more, but still doesn't count..

>>23384545
Assuming you mean written by Chinese nationals and translated into English, there's basically nothing at novel length of modern fantasy. China is all about speculative fiction, the government even funds it. There are translated anthologies of Chinese fantasy short fiction though.

[Anonymous No.23384876]

>>23384670
I liked book 1 of this but dropped it after book 2. Book 3 is apparently pure filler

[Anonymous No.23385287]

Speaking of the foul Bugmen has killed this thread. Let this serve as a lesson to us all, Bugmen are demons and should be treated as such.

[Anonymous No.23385373]

>>23384452
Kino of the highest order. Sublime in the truest sense of the word.

[Anonymous No.23385407]

>>23383492
R A Lafferty

[Anonymous No.23385425]

>>23384582
>They trained her for a war. She intends to end it.
Something about that line bothers me. It sounds weird.

[Anonymous No.23385477]

>>23385425
that's because it's cringe of the highest order

[Anonymous No.23385532]

>>23385477
I mean there's that but but the closeness of INTENDS and END is a bit repetitive sounding. INTENDS to FINISH it would sound way better.

[Anonymous No.23385537]

sun eater bros...

Kingdoms of Death:
>Durand and the other minor named
>Lorian (possibly)
>Elara
>Crim
>Pallino
>Ilex
>Otavia
>literally all the other 90k of his men
>finally Gibson

on to Ashes of Man I guess

[Anonymous No.23385538]

>>23385532
They could have said ""Now she will end it". It keeps that newspaper title style and avoids the intends-ends thing.

[Anonymous No.23385543]

>>23385538
Right? I mean I know this is probably the publisher's fault but it's the exact kind of thing an editor should really be pointing out which doesn't fill me with confidence.

[Anonymous No.23385568]

>>23385537
Ashes of Man is the other half of Kingdoms of Death, so the pain train ain't over yet.

[Anonymous No.23385603]

>>23383525
how is that arguably, theres a whole series called Discworld - Industrial Revolution

[Anonymous No.23385610]

>>23383021
Having read only the first books of both series, I'm 100% correct, and you are a faggot.

[Anonymous No.23385759]

>>23384333
No. Read pic related instead.

[Anonymous No.23385775]

>>23383739
It isn't straight up FANTASY ASIA, but it has a strong Chinese flavor.

[Anonymous No.23385837]

>>23376636
>all told from the first person perspective

[Anonymous No.23385843]

>>23385837
I know. It's unfortunate. I really wish it were otherwise.

[Anonymous No.23385862]

>>23385837
>all told from the first person perspective
I'm not a huge fan of FPOV stories either but I have to say it's done pretty solidly here, particularly in the sequel series when he adds new character POVs.

[Anonymous No.23385908]

>>23376636
Just finished Dark Age. It's so much better. Easily the best of the series thus far. This second part is shaping up to be the closest I've read to A Song of Ice and Fire in space. Hopefully the the remaining two maintain this level of quality. I should have my full thoughts ready by the next thread.

[Anonymous No.23385930]

>>23385908
I knew you'd like it, curious your thoughts on the Abomination seeing as that's a somewhat controversial plot point between readers. As for Lightbringer I wouldn't say it has the same incredible heights Dark Age had but its consistency is very solid with one of the series best duels (and imo in recent scifi & fantasy) and if you're an Atlas fan like I am you're in for a real treat.

[Anonymous No.23386044]

>>23379869
I read the Foundation Trilogy a few months ago, maybe late last year.
It's very, very full of itself and self-congratulatory in a pseudointellectual fashion, meant to make midwits feel really smart when the comprehension of the transparently telegraphed plot twists settle in. It's written in a style halfway between the monosyllabic single-digit IQ style of Ernest Hemingway and the comically outdated high-falutin' technojargon of autistic silver age SF fans. It's enjoyable enough, but it's rather underwhelming, like a Michael Crichton techno-thriller without the thrills. If you treat it as essentially children's literature like The Wizard of Oz, you'll like it well enough.

[Anonymous No.23386054]

>>23381942
Fighter Fred > DUNGeon Crawler Carl

[Anonymous No.23386056]

Late mother's day post
Polgara best mom
The official Mom MC SFF List.
I apologize for the lengthy (ie autistic) list
>Caught in Crystal (1987) by Patricia Wrede
>The Interior Life (1990) by Katherine Blake
>Raven's Duology (2004-2005) by Patricia Briggs
>Wolfblade Trilogy (2004-2005) by Jennifer Fallon
>Bridge of D'Arnath (2004-2005) by Carol Berg
>The World Gates Trilogy (2004-2005) By Holly Lisle, She wrote Minerva Wakes and the Arhel trilogy, those two books also have mom mc
>Dragonsbane (1985) by Barbara Hambly
>Paladin of Souls and Vorkosigan saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>Sunrunner Saga (1988-1993) by Melanie Rawn. Mommy Sioned best yandere girl
>The Empire Trilogy (1987-1992) by Janny Wurts
>Liveship Traders (1998-200) by Robin Hobb
>Birthgrave (1975-1978) by Tanith Lee
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
>Karavans Trilogy (2006-2012) by Jennifer Roberson
>Skinwalkers (2014) by Wendy N. Wagner, about an ex-pirate Axe wielding mom!
>Frostfell (2006) by Mark Sehestedt
>Legacy of Steel (1998) by Mary H. Herbert
>The Traitor Spy Trilogy (2010-2012) by Trudi Canavan
>Sevenwaters Trilogy (1999-2001) by Juliet Marillier
>Blood songs (1987, third book in the Frost trilogy) by Robin Wayne Bailey
>Bloodsong Trilogy (1985-1986) by Asa Drake
>Gypsies (1988) by Robert Charles Wilson
>Child of Time (1991) by Robert Silverberg
>The Wayfarer Redemption (1995-1999) by Sara Douglass, by book three almost every character is pregnant, after book three there's a 20 year time-skip so all the mcs have grown-up children
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld (1974) by Patricia A. McKillip
>The Keys to Paradise Trilogy (1987-1988) by Robert Vardeman, trio of mcs all of the same importance, veterans of the Trans-War that ravaged the country, one of them is a cat-girl who saves a slave kid and adopts him
>Bitter Angels (2009) by C.L Anderson
>The Great Wheel (1987, book three of the Tredana Trilogy) by Joyce Ballou Gregorian
>Daughter of the Bear King (1987) by Eleanor Arnason
>Night-Threads series by Ru Emerson, portal fantasy about a druggie mom, her sister and her teenage son.
>Frostflower adn Thorn (1980) Phyllis Ann Karr
>Fifth Millenium by S.M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, and Karen Wehrstein
>Spellsong Cycle (1997-2002) by L.E. Modesitt Jr
>The Sword of Lyric by Sharon Hinck, christian portal fantasy about a soccer mom and her son fighting against Not-Satan
>Cradle of Sea and Soill (2020) by Bernie Anes Paz
>Boneshaker (2009) Cherie Priest
>The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson, absolute grimdark kino but like most of Donaldson's work it has a happy ending, the main characters just have to go through hell to get it.
>Dragon Gate by Lindsay Buroker, a six book epic about a Mother-son duo
>Memories of Ice (2001 Book 3 of Malazan Book of the Fallen) by Steven Erikson
>To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987) by Robert Heinlein
I'm open to any suggestions for SFF books with mom mcs
And Kate Elliott's new Mom protagonist book the Keeper's Six.
BakkerWolfeVance is king etc.

[Anonymous No.23386062]

>>23386056
Polgara is for AUNTIE shota shenanigans though

[Anonymous No.23386065]

>>23381942
why didn't your mother dribble you back out on the truck stop backroom floor?

[Anonymous No.23386087]

>>23381942
Frankly I want to strike you for so much as even bringing this my attention.

[Anonymous No.23386094]

>>23385930
The Abomination is definitely a questionable addition, if only because of the age. It's the sort of ridiculousness that I can go along with though. I feel like it's taboo more for authorial reasons than universe reasons. It would entirely change the setting if it were commonplace. My initial reaction was that it's hilarious. I can understand why it'd be controversial though since it's a slippery slope. There's a lot of stuff like that seems to have been added in just for fun. The Figment (she needed a upgrade to stay relevant I suppose), Fa, and some other stuff. I didn't think that Cassisus was dead, but that was certainly bit of a deus ex machina way to reintroduce him, which was fine. Atlas is one of the more interesting characters, so that's nice to hear. In terms of controversial, from a brief look there seems to be a lot more Lysander hate than I would've expected. Maybe he does a lot more in Light Bringer, the weapon better play a role, because as it is, it seems entirely unwarranted to me. I see him as another viewpoint with equal weight. That being said I'm impartial to all the viewpoints at this point. As long as it's fun and entertaining, I don't really care which wins in the end, as I think either way would be interesting.

[Anonymous No.23386102]

>>23386056
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.23386168]

>>23386062
Polgara is so good that she is both the best aunt and adopted mother. she's even a great daughter/niece her banter with belgarath and beldin is hilarious
And I do agree about Pol being perfect for doing /ss/ with Garion and maybe Errand/Eriond but Pol/Garion is the OTP the Belgariad/Malloreon
>>23386102
You are welcome, i didn't post it on mother's day because i was at my mom's house

[Anonymous No.23386195]

>>23386168
Speaking of the Belgariad, i cant find the bools 2,3 and 5, only the first, fourth and the whole Malloreon. Anyone have a pdf copy?

[Anonymous No.23386287]

>>23386195
check libgen or anna's archive

[Anonymous No.23386321]

>>23386287
Thanks for the tip, kind Anon. May Aunt Pol make a great feast for you!

[Anonymous No.23386364]

>>23383545
>booktubers
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.23386374]

>>23384347
>you need to listen to older and more experienced
I read more than everybody I have met in real life and there is little to no interest in this thread of discussion regarding the books I read. So no, the forum I desire does not exist because the internet is oversatured with normalfags who possess zero literary experience.

[Anonymous No.23386382]

>noooo you have to get your recommendations from ME, not youtubers who give out the exact same recommendations I would and like the same books I do!!!

[Anonymous No.23386387]

>>23383545
I dunno about the others but OutlawBookseller is pretty good, unhinged british boomers talking about new wave scifi are based.
bookpilled is funny too and probably posts here. LibraryLadder is another good one, his videos have a more newfag friendly approach but he really knows about vintage fantasy, his video about the history of steampunk is great, he basically says steampunk turned to shit the moment normies found it and started using it aesthethic cosplays but he says it very respectfully lol

[Anonymous No.23386394]

>>23386382
>needing recommendations at all

[Anonymous No.23386402]

>>23386394
>not using your imagination to create your ideal story in your head

[Anonymous No.23386437]

>>23386382
>>noooo you have to get your recommendations from ME, not youtubers who give out the exact same recommendations I would
>newfag making up strawmen in his head
what a fucking surprise
kill yourself bakkernigger

[Anonymous No.23386567]

>>23386382
These youtubers always recommend the same 10-15 books. it's not like they are recommending some obscure books. You can literally go to goodreads and find better lists.

[Anonymous No.23386634]

>>23386056
>Minerva Wakes
Read this, very nice little portal fantasy, tightly written but I feel it could have used a bit more fleshing out to the fantasy characters who mostly take a sidestep to the family plot, though it is a good one.
>Birthgrave
Sort of weird, it's meant to feel like a sword and sorcery novel but at the end the plot twist is that the main character is an alien from another planet when humans from earth (who are more human than the humans of the planet they're on) beam her up to their saucer.
also the "motherhood" aspect is totally downplayed until the final book, when The mother and son - the two of which who are generally emotionally detached and callous to everyone around them - decide they love each other romantically and have sex, which may or may not be based depending on your preference.
>Gypsies
Very underwhelming multiverse thriller. The character relationships are handled quite decently, but the plot doesn't really go anywhere. It reminds me of some shitty horror books I read, but not genuinely bad, just bland.
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld
Actual kino, solid 9/10 book. I've said this before, it feels like Lord Dunsany but actually good.
>Frostflower and Thorn
This adventure is much, much smaller scale than the blurb implies, it feels more like an episode of Xena Warrior Princess or Star Trek TNG (but fantasy) than an independent story, except there isnt actually anything else.

[Anonymous No.23386688]

>>23381452
>Soul catcher or Lady, who is a better waifu.

Alright, that one made me laugh.

[Anonymous No.23386698]

>>23376452
I want to write a fantasy epic. Can’t go into details because I’ve shared a lot of my work here before and I am a bit worried about this coming back to bite me if I ever get off my ass and finish the story.
My idea for the conclusion is it all is that after the [big bad] is defeated, his apprentice/second in command/maybe even son(?) comes to kill Protag years later. The protagonist knew this person years ago, back when they weren’t as set on this road. He feels pity that things have turned out this way, and challenges the guy to a fight. The protagonist has him outclasses, yet lets the guy win anyways, and he’s smart enough to tell that Protag let him win. Angered and having the Protag at sword point, he demands a fair fight. The protagonist refuses, tells him if wants to continue down this path he’ll have to learn what it’s like to kill people without honor. The dude is furious and kills him.
The end. But there would be clues and character development over the course of the story to make readers discuss whether the killer went on to be the new big bad, or if he ended up changing his ways out of remorse for killing Protag.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.23386719]

>>23386698
>Thoughts?
Eh. Whatever you say, it's all going to seem kind lackluster if you're trying to throw a bittersweet ending at us without us actually having read your story.

[Anonymous No.23386721]

>>23386719
Bittersweet isn't the word i meant to use butt fuck it

[Anonymous No.23386777]

[Anonymous No.23386792]

[Anonymous No.23386833]

How does /sffg/ feel about sci fi stuff in fantasy setting? Time travel, space travel, arcane technology and the like.

[Anonymous No.23386836]

>>23386698
I fucking hated "The Lady or the Tiger"

[Anonymous No.23386847]

>>23386688
For me, its the Lady.

[Anonymous No.23386886]

Kino acquired

[Anonymous No.23386918]

>>23386886
>Modern scifi
>Chinkslop
>Blurb by a politician
>kino
haha

[Anonymous No.23386954]

>>23386833
It's based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.23386962]

>>23386954
great post :)

[Anonymous No.23386967]

>>23386698
is your protag supposed to be suicidal at the end? what reason does he have to let the other guy kill him?

[Anonymous No.23386973]

>>23386833
what other series do it other than heroes die and TSA?

[Anonymous No.23386983]

>>23386973
Dragonlance Legends
Cycle of Fire
Riftwar
Dragonriders of Pern

[Anonymous No.23387000]

>>23386967
He doesn’t think the guy will go through with it
Or mayhaps he has no fear of death, but in a stupid autist kind of way

[Anonymous No.23387095]

>>23386973
the licanius trilogy
cosmere
the dark tower

[Anonymous No.23387133]

>>23387000
>He doesn’t think the guy will go through with it
Really funny way to kill the protagonist. Do it.

[Anonymous No.23387169]

>>23383739
did you read A Shadow In Summer by Daniel Abraham

[Anonymous No.23387232]

>>23386833
Execution and method really matter. A lot of those can be magical just as much as technological.

[Anonymous No.23387278]

>>23385930
light bringer was trash doe

[Anonymous No.23387297]

[Anonymous No.23387453]

50 or so pages into Piranesi. Am I being filtered, or is this kind of dull? Nothing is really happening. I don't mind this in fantasy if the atmosphere is good, but the language used is not really that immersive so far. I've seen a lot of posters in this general praise it - does it just take a while to get going?

[Anonymous No.23387466]

>>23387453
2deep4u

[Anonymous No.23387482]

>>23387297
comfy

[Anonymous No.23387746]

>>23386886
Dark Forest is the perfect book for NEETs. He’s literally me

[Anonymous No.23387828]

>>23387278
Wrong

[Anonymous No.23388014]

Are the witcher books any good? I never played the games or watched the netflix show.

[Anonymous No.23388025]

>>23388014
Most seem to find them disappointing relative to the games, so who knows what you'll think. They're more a collection of short stories than a novel.

[Anonymous No.23388032]

>>23384748
>R.F. Kuang left China at 4 years old and is thoroughly Western.
She wrote "Yellowface," 336 pages of cope in book about being a chink in the publishing world. She might've left China, but her chink cuntiness never left her.

[Anonymous No.23388035]

>>23385759
Scott Oden is a massive SJW.

[Anonymous No.23388053]

>>23387297
esmi and akka in sumna

[Anonymous No.23388060]

>>23388032
Yes, the same as any other Western liberal woman complaining about marginalization, privilege, colonialism, and what not. The only difference is that most of them are white.

[Anonymous No.23388065]

>>23388035
Isn't SJW sort of an outdated term now?

[Anonymous No.23388100]

Even by the standards of modern covers this one stands out in how egregiously repellent it is. Who was this designed for? I have no doubt the covers for the next books will be as awful or even worse

https://reactormag.com/cover-reveal-and-excerpt-dungeon-crawler-carl-by-matt-dinniman/

[Anonymous No.23388110]

>>23388100
More like who was it redesigned for.

[Anonymous No.23388199]

>>23388100
it's for gamers whos entire identity is being a gamer but who never played something that isn't 10/10 on ign.

[Anonymous No.23388211]

>>23388199
https://www.ign.com/articles/how-and-where-to-play-every-modern-ign-1010-game
Could be worse

[Anonymous No.23388217]

>>23388199
I don't think DCC's target audience is gamers at all.

[Anonymous No.23388246]

>>23386833
There is no meaningful distinction between magic and technology and therefore likewise between Fantasy and Science Fiction, therefore I am totally indifferent as to whether the stereotypical trappings of one appear in the context of the other. All I ask is internal consistency. I don't want to see a 1950s space age moon colony utopia with rayguns and teleportation kingdom appearing 2/3 of the way into a medieval fantasy story with dragons and wizards, but this doesn't mean I won't tolerate necromancers and elves and dinosaurs in 1800s steampunk wild west America assuming these things are established from the get-go. Furthermore I have no problems with guns in a medieval fantasy setting as long as it's not multiverse hopping faggots whose technology suddenly stops working due to magic contrivances against iron or electronics or whathaveyou.

[Anonymous No.23388254]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEoQAoEGLhw

Is this Brian Herbert's stuff getting a tv adaptation?

[Anonymous No.23388325]

>>23387828
>>23387278
I'll find out for myself soon enough, as I've started reading it.

[Anonymous No.23388376]

>>23388014
Never played the games or watched the show, but I just finished the first book and really enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.23388378]

Can you guys rec some progression sci-fi fantasy? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.23388398]

>>23388014
Short stories good.
Novels (If Ciri isn't in the scene, then the characters should be asking "Where's Ciri?")

[Anonymous No.23388521]

>>23386886
I wish I had bought the books before they added the stupid "NOW A NETFLIX SERIES" label

[Anonymous No.23388631]

Any good one and done fantasy books? I'm not in the mood to start a series.
Also books for this feel? >>23377088

[Anonymous No.23388649]

>>23386833
I was thinking about writing a scifi-fantasy story about people in a medieval period with aliens posing as literal gods amongst them. The ayys found a planet with a human colony and had it moved, decimating their history and understanding of how they got there. Now they do shit like have to file a request to their 'gods' to go to war among other things, and kings can receive threatening letters from their gods, telling them to stop stirring up shit. Maybe throw in some "magical artifacts" that give people powers, but they're really just insane technologies that humans can't comprehend how they work so it's the same effect. Genetic mutations? Could do some shit with that too.

Now, why is this happening? Because they're the equivalent of type 2 or 3 civilization alien teenagers/young adults that ran off and are doing the equivalent of cowtipping/ant farming with type 0 civilizations and/or are in some illegal type 0 civilization cockfighting ring. I thought it might be funny to even have an ending where they get busted and the humans are just entirely baffled at what's going on around them watching their 'gods' get arrested and sent to space prison. Or maybe it's something like Sand Kings where they bite off more than they can chew and get overrun and the story ends with the humans, now viewing themselves as space wizards, ending with them making a threat to destroy the worlds of the aliens that fucked with them.

[Anonymous No.23388664]

>>23386833
It's kino. I'm still mad Elden Ring didn't have a sci-fi twist.

>>23388649
Sounds cool, anon. You should do it.

[Anonymous No.23388672]

>>23387297
Took me 30 min to realize she's not holding a gun.

[Anonymous No.23388958]

Read Tenebroum

[Anonymous No.23389093]

My Glory... Blessed Empress...

[Anonymous No.23389186]

TRUTH SHINES

[Anonymous No.23389294]

I read Fellowship for the first time. It was good. Very good. I rather liked it a lot.

[Anonymous No.23389297]

>>23383545
Some great stuff actually on this list. Speciffically love Keith Roberts books. The pastel city is one of my favorite dying earth books. love the hardcover art.
I will check out Life During Wartime that sounds interesting. Thanks

[Anonymous No.23389303]

>>23389297

[Anonymous No.23389305]

>>23383545
>Night's Master Tanith Lee
>expect dying earth kino
>open up
>gay erotica

[Anonymous No.23389370]

>>23389305
Death's Master also has lesbian and transgender erotica in addition to the pederasty

[Anonymous No.23389372]

>>23386634
>tightly written but I feel it could have used a bit more fleshing out to the fantasy characters who mostly take a sidestep to the family plot
i somewhat agree, but Minerva using a minigun to kill dragons was kino

[Anonymous No.23389377]

>>23389305
tanith lee was a VERY horny author like heinlein levels of horniness

[Anonymous No.23389378]

>>23389372
That devil-looking character appears to be villainous but he's actually just a quasi-heroic pervert who wants to get into Minerva's pants, and he fucks off after like chapter 3 or 4 and doesn't show up again.

[Anonymous No.23389392]

>>23389372
that one bit in a late Malazan novel where they shoot a mortar down a dragon's throat was DOPE

[Anonymous No.23389452]

>>23389378
i was expecting him to come up again to either save the day or have him be the real villain but no he was just a perverted satyr with a milf fetish lmao feels like a random encounter you would have while playing d&d
>>23389392
wtf i love malazan now?!

[Anonymous No.23389480]

>>23386374
yeh but 4chan is like reddit, you go there to get top 10 recommendations when you're a newbie. the people you want to interact with sit on a 50-user private forum discussing very arcane minutia about their favorite and obscure novels. because ironically for you, the only people who read anywhere near as much as you are old men who read before the internet existed, and other people exactly like you who are underserviced but refuse to create the modern product themselves (a reader community). you won't find each other on 4chan because you are spread out across the world, you number in your tens of thousands at most, and you pass by each other in different threads like whales above the sofar channel crying out uselessly.

[Anonymous No.23389500]

>>23389480
>4chan is like reddit
since 2011 yes, sad

[Anonymous No.23389519]

>>23389500
at least people here don't instantly assume that a book is racist or misogynistic just because it's old unlike reddit

[Anonymous No.23389632]

>>23389519
The problem here is the opposite. Too many assume a book isn't worth reading because it's new.

[Anonymous No.23389661]

>>23386374
You have to intentionally seek out others who have the same interest as you. It'll start as one-on-one conversations, but it can grow with time and effort. If you aren't interested in doing that, you'll have to take what you can get.

>>23389480
That's a romantic fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23389678]

>>23388378
You're in the wrong thread.

[Anonymous No.23389730]

>>23389632
>Too many assume a book isn't worth reading because it's new.
99% of the case it's true.

[Anonymous No.23389736]

>>23388958
why?

[Anonymous No.23389763]

>>23389294
It's all downhill from here

[Anonymous No.23389769]

>>23389730
That's true, because 99% of all books aren't worth reading.

[Anonymous No.23389818]

>>23386168
>her banter with belgarath and beldin is hilarious
>that part in magician's gambit when beldin calls her a fat cow with "a brain as soft as your butt" and how her hips are "wide as an ox cart"

[Anonymous No.23389837]

>>23389818
Studies show that preference for bbw is highly correlated with being poor.

[Anonymous No.23389847]

>>23384545
>but stuff like an actual book.
there really aren't any, almost everything in china goes through either websites like Jinjiang Literature City or magazine serialization. They don't have the same structure of publishing industry as the west.
Like Bu Bu Jing Xin is big enough to have been adapted six times and it was a webnovel first

[Anonymous No.23389853]

>>23384545
https://www.sfintranslation.com/?page_id=5705

[Anonymous No.23389869]

>>23389853
it's so funny when you look up any book from a state the us doesn't like that gets translated and its always "a dystopian novel" because it can be interpreted as criticizing their country's government

[Anonymous No.23389875]

4chan is a dystopian website.

[Anonymous No.23389901]

>>23389875
dick predicted retards fighting online in galactic pot-healer

[Anonymous No.23389907]

I'm don't post on /lit/ very often, I'm about to finish the first black company trilogy. Should I keep reading the series or find something else to start maybe a standalone novel, I read spiderlight from a /v/ rec and enjoyed it.
>>23386688
I vote for lady at the point I'm at in the series if that has any impact

[Anonymous No.23390165]

>>23389869
Novels written by Chinese are ipso facto dystopian novels. That's what happens when you live in a communist dictatorship. Same thing with Russian novels, although their dystopia well precedes Bolshevism.

[Anonymous No.23390241]

>>23389377
She was part of Marion Zimmer Bradley's wider circle, so that's not surprising

[Anonymous No.23390496]

>>23389678
What thread should I be in?

[Anonymous No.23390508]

>>23388035
After he wrote that novel. It has no pozzery whatsoever. The main female character at no point becomes a yas kween slay girlboss warrior nor does she treat the Men around her like garbage.

[Anonymous No.23390513]

>>23388035
>>23390508
Also I suspect he's only an SJW outside of his work because he wrote a new Conan story recently and it's also free of pozzery.

[Anonymous No.23390531]

>>23390496
The next one, this one is dying.

[Anonymous No.23390632]

>>23390513
That reminds me that the Conan City of the Dead book is out of soonish. I heard Emerald Lotus was pretty okay good.

[Anonymous No.23391067]

>>23389305
Just what I was looking for. What a happy coincidence.

[Anonymous No.23391137]

Thoughts on Michael R. Fletcher's books?

[Anonymous No.23391309]

>>23391137
Not really.

[Anonymous No.23391372]

Farewell!