/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23376378]

Separating the men from the Übermenschen since 1812

[Anonymous No.23376743]

>>23376378
I keep seeing this guy. who he is?

[Anonymous No.23376747]

>>23376743
The science of logic

[Anonymous No.23376752]

>>23376743
Facts and Logic man. Just imagine some debate politics guy from today like Charlie Kirk and project him to the 1700s.

[Anonymous No.23376756]

>>23376747
he's the science of logic?

[Anonymous No.23376770]

Can all you FUCKING FAGGOTS quit shitting up the catalog with low effort german idealism threads holy fuck
Its always
>picture of random dude/book by random dude
>random quote from said book
>nothing else, no arguments, no additional explication, no details, no attempts at applying whatever the shit you're quoting is to something new
Are you going to talk about specific details from the Science of Logic? About the strains of hermetic thought or medieval philosophy synthesized into Hegel's system along with reactions to people like Kant or Hume? About how his political philosophy was derived from the Science and not from, say, the Jena Logic? Are you going to critique a particular passage, seek to draw out depth through analysis or comparison with another thinker, or draw parallels between this work and something from another field, such as physics? Anything?
Of course not, you're just gonna shit out a thread or two just like this one every fucking day like you (and/or your equally fucktarded copycats) have been doing for MONTHS OF YOUR FUCKING LIFE, because all you really care about is being seen as le epic mysterious cool guy who understands Hegel, the esoteric and occult thinker who's, like, this evil german autism wizard, like, dude, he's so hard to understand, anyone who gets him must be a fucking genius!! and actual philosophy as secondary to the achievement of that goal.
I know you're going to reply to this with a screenshot of your own post (can't forget to suck your own dick at every opportunity, right?) quoting Hegel or Kant or someone talking about how philosophy is only for enlightened initiated trve arvan kvlt white men instead of of bothering to put any real effort into your posts, but I want you to know that if I ever happen to see you in real life, if I'm at a cafe or some shit and I look over some dude's shoulder and he's using his shitty little smartphone screen to copy-paste a Schelling quote onto the garbage-ass 4chan mobile webpage thread creation prompt and getting smudges all over the fucking thing and probably laughing quietly to himself about it all I'm gonna grab that shit and launch it into fucking orbit and slam your fucking head and dumbass pencil neck right into the fucking front counter and fuck your asshole in front of the cute barista, the middle aged white dude typing on a laptop at the table behind us, the dude fumbling for change at the other cash register (who the fuck still pays for coffee with cash?), everyone, and while you're making gross unnngghhhh noises while feebly trying to escape my grip (I've been grip training for 7 years and can hold 400 pounds with one hand, good fucking luck) I'm going to loudly tell the horrified onlookers that while I greatly respect German Idealism and its thinkers, I will never respect FAGGOTS who use it as a vehicle to affect an air of pretension and mystery like you do, and then I'll nut all over the back of your shirt and walk the fuck out while you collapse into a heap.

[Anonymous No.23376773]

>>23376378
>Übermenschen instead of Absolute Knowers
ngmi

>>23376770
New pasta

[Anonymous No.23376780]

>>23376770
include me in the screenshot

[Anonymous No.23376809]

>>23376770
why are you so angry?

[Anonymous No.23376812]

>>23376773
>Übermenschen instead of Absolute Knowers
>t. doesn't know

[Anonymous No.23376822]

>>23376770
>all you really care about is being seen as le epic mysterious cool guy who understands Hegel, the esoteric and occult thinker who's, like, this evil german autism wizard, like, dude, he's so hard to understand, anyone who gets him must be a fucking genius!!
we are on an anonymous imageboard einstein

[Anonymous No.23377170]

>>23376770
holy fucking based

[Anonymous No.23377255]

>>23376770
99% of people have no clue what philosophy is. You have to be a philosopher, to some extent, to understand it. Most people think philosophy is like an anachronistic form of self-help or, god forbid, social psychology. That’s why most conversation on philosophy is “what do you think X meant by [quote]?” as if it wouldn’t already be obvious if you had a formal system to connect it to. I hope that at the least it will lead people to actually read philosophy and maybe then they’ll be able to grasp the actual substance of the discipline from the text. Don’t let it anger you so much. The person who posted this is probably 16 years old. The best thing we can do for idiots like this is to actually encourage them to read the texts so they can divorce the internet image from the actual content. Every time I see a humeposter thread I call him a retard and tell him to read Kant. Recently he’s been seething about Kant. It’s working.

[Anonymous No.23377265]

>>23377255
>talks about being a philosopher
>thinks reading a book can make you one

[Anonymous No.23377276]

>>23376378
It would be nice if any of you brainless motherfuckers had an original thought for a change.

[Anonymous No.23377286]

>>23376770
based

[Anonymous No.23377297]

>>23377265
Here’s a great example. For people like this what usually works is calling them a pussy. Usually with the aktion! types you want to attack at their manhood.

[Anonymous No.23377301]

>>23377297
you missed

[Anonymous No.23377420]

>>23376770
Compliments to the chef. Immaculate new pasta.

[Anonymous No.23377466]

>>23376770
You dropped this, king

[Anonymous No.23377479]

>>23376770
>About how his political philosophy was derived from the Science and not from, say, the Jena Logic
Hegel political philosophy was partly born out of his jena logic during the period at jena University and is explicated in the "jena papers."

[Anonymous No.23377644]

>>23377479
Sure but the bulk of the reasoning of the philosophy of right is only accessible through Hegel’s later works. His early positivistic, theological works hardly factor into his mature thought. While the political stance he takes is roughly the same between the two the reasoning he uses to read it in his mature works is wholly different. The tension between the universal and the particular is the primary motor of Hegels later political thought while the early Hegel merely envisions politics as a kind of ladder to universality. The early Hegel still lacks a proper, solid understanding of negation. And as such for the later Hegel such ideas of limitless universality are bound to be broken over particularity reasserting itself under the guise of natural disasters, economic meltdowns, war, etc.

[Anonymous No.23378194]

>>23376770
You make a notable point, pardon me for interjecting I do hope we all figured out that we can only use languages with induction at this point, I know the fat man from England put everyone's knickers in a twist with this one. At any rate, your point still stands, I would also add that if we are including Jena then Hegel also incorporated Epicurean thought as well, so I do agree with you that Hegel drew from an incredibly deep and expansive logic base, this means it is likely that almost anyone could find something they agree with and something they disagree with in regards to Hegel, at the very least I hope everyone tries to read some Hegel at some point because of a number of the points you made in reference to the expansive litany of responses he made to previous thinkers and all subsequent thinkers to any prior great one regardless of era owe some form of debt of gratitude to the previous ones.

[Anonymous No.23378878]

>>23377644
>The tension between the universal and the particular is the primary motor of Hegels later political thought
Can you explain this a bit more?

[Anonymous No.23378982]

>>23376770
I kneel

[Anonymous No.23378997]

>>23376770
Thank you for saying what we were all thinking

[Anonymous No.23379037]

>>23378997
I actually like these posts

[Anonymous No.23379094]

>>23376770
Best post I've read in months, thanks for the laughs.

[Anonymous No.23379369]

>>23376770
FUCKING WITNESSED

[Anonymous No.23379751]

>>23379369
>>23379094
>>23379037
>>23378982
>>23377466
>>23377420
>>23377170
>>23376773
just thought somebody should tell you that you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.23379753]

>>23379751
samefag?

[Anonymous No.23379947]

>>23376770
Based and correct
>>23376822
Has no effect on status-seeking retards

[Anonymous No.23380116]

>>23379947
>status-seeking
ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD

[Anonymous No.23380382]

>>23376378
Nietzsche read at least the Logic based on records of library borrowings extant-- the Mustache owes much more to him and Stirner than is commonly appreciated.

>>23376770
Yeah this past week there was some ghoul sliding the cataloge with random quotations-- it's a shit janny situation more than shitbrain users.

[Anonymous No.23380394]

>>23379751
In which one realizes all boards are subject to topic dilution and sliding, and not just by bot farms.

[Anonymous No.23380400]

>>23376770
>t. picrel

[Anonymous No.23380455]

>>23378878
Hegel’s biggest gripe with philosophy before him is that he thinks that the original Aristotlean schema for metaphysics (the four causes) undervalues form. The four causes of an object are it’s material cause (what it’s made of) it’s formal cause (what it’s supposed to be) it’s efficient cause (how it was made that way) and it’s final cause (what it was made for). He doesn’t really have a problem with the efficient and final causes but the dichotomy between formal and material causes is unsatisfactory to him. This is because it makes it seem like the material of the object plays an equal role as the form while Hegel argues that the material is essentially a dead letter which the form subsumes into itself. What makes a chair a chair isn’t the material it’s made out of but the form of a chair itself. Now, at the same time there still is a measure of importance to the material of the object insofar as it facilitates to a greater or lesser degree the objective of the form. The material of the object is only a negative attribute. One doesn’t notice if a chair is made of metal or wood so long as it holds them up but a chair made of ice would be noticeable. This is an extremely low level example of how the form and content are always locked in a battle to gain ascendancy over the other. Material imposes itself on form by threatening to destroy it and form imposes itself on material through the act of object-creation. Hegel’s politics is an extension of his metaphysics in this way in that the material of politics is the masses and the form of politics is reason which culminate in the object of Geist. Geist must constantly struggle against itself because it, as an object the same as a chair, is permanently under the duress of having the parts which make it up being in conflict with one another. A good example of this would be the French Revolution. It started off as an expression of Geist’s reason which reformed the masses into a new coordination and quickly slipped into an expression of Geist’s materiality which threatened to destroy the reason of the revolution in the first place. All of politics is a back and forth between civilization and barbarism and the only thing which moves it forward is the kind of falling upwards of the dialectic. To continue with the French Revolution example the reinstatement of Napoleon as emperor and the horrors that followed gave Geist the necessary reprieve to reorient its thinking about the French Revolution such that when it was attempted again the actual formal structure of the revolt was altered by the addition of hindsight. Hindsight which aided in the formal structure of the state yet was born of material causes. It’s an infinite process of refinement which ultimately leads to absolute knowledge but the course which leads there can only be reached through failure. For young Hegel failure is a danger to be avoided and for old Hegel failure is the only route to success.

[Anonymous No.23380871]

>>23380455
Good post, thanks for the explanation.

[Anonymous No.23380903]

>>23376770
based

[Anonymous No.23381604]

>>23376770
>and fuck your asshole in front of the cute barista, the middle aged white dude typing on a laptop at the table behind us, the dude fumbling for change at the other cash register (who the fuck still pays for coffee with cash?), everyone, and while you're making gross unnngghhhh noises while feebly trying to escape my grip (I've been grip training for 7 years and can hold 400 pounds with one hand, good fucking luck) I'm going to loudly tell the horrified onlookers that while I greatly respect German Idealism and its thinkers, I will never respect FAGGOTS who use it as a vehicle to affect an air of pretension and mystery like you do, and then I'll nut all over the back of your shirt and walk the fuck out while you collapse into a heap
This is what happens when you start with the Greeks

[Anonymous No.23381721]

>>23376770
great job generating meme replies to youe shitty little vent, and I here pardon me, was hoping that a thread generated some actual substance, finally, but No! There he is another lul so random heh look at me in hypothetical situation I win and this one here - looses, also something about ejaculating and random thoughstream(in brackets obviously haha) splendid.
btw hegel was an ugly plonker

[Anonymous No.23382832]

>>23380116
Not relevant. Puffing up your ego works everywhere. It is pleasing to write incendiary comments; you attack others while not leaving your neck out to be attacked back. As the invention of the spear made man, the vague attack has made the shitposter the apex predator of anonymous imageboards.

[Anonymous No.23383905]

>>23376770
kino

[Anonymous No.23383932]

>>23376770
wow are you me?