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[Anonymous No.2335321]

French or German philosophy?

opinions are ok
arguments are encouraged

[Anonymous No.2336691]

so, philosophy is just a matter of ethics after all...

[Anonymous No.2336704]

German.

German or Greek would be more interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vV3QGagck

[Anonymous No.2336708]

Nietzsche > all

fuck the haters

[Anonymous No.2336710]

other than sartre and foucault what is french philosophy?

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2336713]

i think german is better for more objective problems.
and french is better for more intersubjective and social questions,french consciousness centred philosophy like existentialism being the outlier.

[Anonymous No.2336714]

>>2335321
is that empty spot, at the top, between wittgenstein and sartre meant for heidegger?

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2336718]

>>2336710
baudrillard, deleuze, derrida, barthes

[Anonymous No.2336722]

>>2336718
i.e. post-modern / post-structuralist

[Anonymous No.2336723]

>>2336718
they're all like really recent. I never realised france was so slow

[Anonymous No.2336725]

>>2336713

Stirner is as consciousness centered as they come and in my opinion far more important and interesting than the existentialists.

But you're right in the sense the sense that there are simply more french guys concerning them with these things.

I can't really think of anything genuinely original coming out of France in the sense of philosophy though.

[Anonymous No.2336728]

Germany wins but the French get a kiss on the bum for giving us Sade.

[Anonymous No.2336730]

>>2336710
Comte, maybe...

[Anonymous No.2336732]

>>2336730
>implying sociology is philosophy

[Anonymous No.2336739]

>>2336732
You're forgetting positivism.

[Anonymous No.2336742]

omgomgomg that simpson sartre is so cute!!!

[Anonymous No.2336746]

>>2336704
fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.2336748]

>>2336742

kawaii sartre-kun for /lit/ mascot

[Anonymous No.2336750]

>>2336691
Morals are biological in original. None come from reason.

[Anonymous No.2336757]

>>2336750
Morals are given by God. None come from our biology.

[Anonymous No.2336761]

>>2336746
i loved that fucking sketch

nietzsche accused confucius of having no free will, and confucius, he say, name go in book

[Anonymous No.2336766]

>>2336761
lol marx

[Anonymous No.2336767]

>>2336757

[Anonymous No.2336768]

>>2336757
you didn't understand

[Anonymous No.2336807]

German, no question.

[Anonymous No.2336810]

I think analytical vs continental philisophy is a more adequate distinction.

[Anonymous No.2336811]

>>2336768
I did, I understood that you made claim with as much objective worth as mine.

[Anonymous No.2336812]

German, although I do like Rousseau.

English philosophy produced the best political philosophical thought, however.

[Anonymous No.2336814]

>>2336812
Who are you thinking?

[Anonymous No.2336818]

>>2336814
I'm confused as to what you're asking, but for the English philosophers (I included Irish and Scottish in there just for simplification), I like Locke, Burke, Smith, and Hobbes.

[Anonymous No.2336826]

>>2336723
Descartes was French.

[Anonymous No.2336830]

>>2336818
Yes, I meant the English Philosophers. It was just out of curiosity, really.

I just finished The Social Contract, got a bit bogged down in book 4 but it was an enlightening read. Moving on to Locke's Treatises next, which I've been looking forward to.

[Anonymous No.2336834]

>>2336826
Who the fuck do you think you are? Bringing up relevant points

[Anonymous No.2336853]

>>2335321

German.

Only counting worthwhile philosophers…

Even if you disagree with them, in the 20th century alone, you get: Husserl, Heidegger, Gadamer, Strauss & Stein.

In France you get… uh, Merleau–Ponty? Gilson if you count Thomists? That's pretty much it.

If we broaden this to German–language, the Germans win in a rout. (Or blitzkrieg.)

>pic related, don't make him cut you

[Anonymous No.2336856]

/lit/ philosophy threads:

"Wat iz best german or french?"
"I liek neeche and socrates wat should i read nxt?"
"continental vs analytic go!"

Fucking depressing.

[Anonymous No.2336864]

>>2336856
Don't forget that Cartesian dualist the other day, that was fun.

[Anonymous No.2336868]

>>2336864

What if you're a non–Cartesian dualist?

>come at me, bro

[Anonymous No.2336869]

>>2336856

and airplane food, what's the deal with that stuff

[Anonymous No.2336873]

>>2336864
The one that didn't realise he was one?

[Anonymous No.2336876]

>>2336869
There are several theories on this.
-Because there's a lot of noise, your taste is lessened. So the food is not that bad, your taste is just worse than normal.
-The food is made to be inoffensive to everyone, since they can't really pick their meal. Bland=inoffensive.

[Anonymous No.2336877]

We can discuss why Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi is completely top tier?

[Anonymous No.2336886]

>>2336853

you're forgetting pretty much everyone significant (and increasingly more as time goes on) post '68 was french

though then again you do have the frankfurt school...

[Anonymous No.2336901]

Heidegger and Wittgenstein are the only original people of the XX century.

Heidegger is the base from which everyone started (existentialistm post-structuralist etc)

and Wittgenstein, well, he just teared down philosophy itself.

[Anonymous No.2336909]

>>2336901
the guy on the right is pretty cute.

[Anonymous No.2336913]

>>2336886
Jurgen Habermas?

[Anonymous No.2336916]

>>2336901
Dostoevsky came before Heidegger so existentialism came before Heidegger as well.

[Anonymous No.2336921]

>>2336901
Stifter in fact always reminds me of Heidegger, of that ridiculous Nazi philistine in plus-fours. Just as Stifter has totally and in the most shameless manner kitschified great literature, so Heidegger, the Black Forest philosopher Heidegger, has kitschified philosophy, Heidegger and Stifter, each one for himself and in his own way, have hopelessly kitschified philosophy and literature. Heidegger, after whom the wartime and postwar generations have been chasing, showering him with revolting and stupid doctoral theses even in his lifetime.

I always visualize him sitting on his wooden bench outside his Black Forest house, alongside his wife who, with her perverse knitting enthusiasm, ceaselessly knits winter socks for him from the wool she has shorn from their own Heidegger sheep.

I cannot visualize Heidegger other than sitting on the bench outside his Black Forest house, alongside his wife, who all her life totally dominated him and who knitted all his socks and crocheted all his caps and baked all his bread and wove all his bedlinen and who even cobbled up his sandals for him. Heidegger was a kitschy brain..... a feeble thinker from the Alpine foothills, as I believe, and just about right for the German philosophical hot-pot. For decades they ravenously spooned up that man Heidegger, more than anybody else, and overloaded their stomachs with his stuff. Heidegger had a common face, not a spiritual one, Reger said, he was through and through an unspiritual person, devoid of all fantasy, devoid of all sensibility, a genuine German philosophical ruminant, a ceaselessly gravid German philosophical cow, Reger said, which grazed upon German philosophy and thereupon for decades let its smart little cow-pats drop on it....

[Anonymous No.2336922]

>>2336916
Hume came before Dostoevsky so existentialism came before Dostoevsky as well.

[♥ !Rrxa7zePwI No.2336924]

>french philosophy

okay there is foucault but meh for the rest

[Anonymous No.2336925]

>>2336921
part 2/2

Heidegger is the petit-bourgeois of German philosophy, the man who has placed on German philosophy his kitschy nightcaps, that kitschy black night-cap which Heidegger always wore, on all occasions. Heidegger is the carpet-slipper and night-cap philosopher of the Germans, nothing else.

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2336926]

>>2336916
Ecclesiastes predates Dostoyevsky. Existentialism in its form in the 20th c was developed from Heidegger.

[Anonymous No.2336927]

>>2336924
Still not picked up Derrida then?

[Anonymous No.2336929]

>>2336926
Nope, independent origination, motherfucker!

[♥ !Rrxa7zePwI No.2336930]

>>2336927
nevar

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2336932]

>>2336929
no sir. development from the same roots. thats like saying nietszche only had an effect in germany.

[Anonymous No.2336939]

>>2336932
nope. existentialism would have cropped up in all circumstances. whether Heidegger existed, whether nietzsche shaved, whether sartre wore a clown hat

[Anonymous No.2336946]

is this from a simpsons episode? what one?

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2336951]

>>2336939
I'm not contesting that at all. Existentialism exists in the Bible even. Existentialism as it was in the 20th century, ("as it was" is crucial here, because biblical existentialism and 20th c existentialism are not the same thing) is a development of the thoughts of people like Heidegger and Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.2336953]

>>2336951
and I'm saying existentialism 'as it was' in the 20th century would have developed like that whether Heidegger and Nietzsche were present or not.

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2336959]

>>2336953
whatever dude, feel free to do your alternate history roleplaying.

[Anonymous No.2336996]

>>2336926
But the Odyssey predates Ecclesiastes, hakas.

[Anonymous No.2338671]

>>2336710

Descartes, Rousseau, Voltaire, Sartre, etc

[Anonymous No.2338682]

Sartre looks alot like moleman

[Anonymous No.2338686]

>>2338671
you're taking the question seriously and answering it like 24 hours too late. why???

[Anonymous No.2338684]

but, what's better: eastern or western philosophy?

[Anonymous No.2338691]

>>2338682
thats what I thought.

also did he have a squint or is that just the thick glasses or the way he appears in pictures?

regardless he was quite in his day. i always thought he could be portrayed by jeff goldblum in the biopic

[Anonymous No.2338704]

>>2338691

it wasn't a squint, it was a fucking hugely lazy eye which always pointed off to his far right making him look like he was always in a state of 'herp derp'

But then eye problems are known to correlate with high intelligence. Nietzsche for instance, and most modernist writers went blind by their middle ages.

[Anonymous No.2338707]

>>2338704
Well at least it was distinctive.

[Anonymous No.2338719]

I always like the Germans more.

[Anonymous No.2338721]

>>2338719
the french are germans, "france" comes from the franks, a germanic tribe.

[Anonymous No.2338724]

>>2338721
Thanks for the history lesson, but I think you knew what I meant in the context of this thread.

[Anonymous No.2338728]

>>2338721
>thinks germanic == german

[Anonymous No.2338739]

>>2338721
yeah and we're all africans, mate. you're not impressing anyone.

[Anonymous No.2338764]

Camus is ADORABLE

[Anonymous No.2338767]

>>2338739
That's not actually true.

[Anonymous No.2338778]

>>2336886

>Postmodernists, significant.
>Frankfurt School, significant

>mfw when poster is a Marxist who thinks philosophy exists to confirm his politics

[Anonymous No.2338779]

>>2338767
PLZ ELABORATE

[Anonymous No.2338784]

>>2338778
i would take you more seriously if you didn't pick such a dumb reaction image

[Anonymous No.2338812]

>>2338784

Welcome to 4chan.

>You used a dumb reaction image, so I can't take your argument seriously.
>Name the fallacy.

[Anonymous No.2338824]

>>2338784
I would take you more seriously if you weren't a fucking cultural marxist piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.2338844]

>Marxist Philosophy
god tier

>Marxist Politics
shit tier

[Anonymous No.2338845]

>>2338844
go jump off a building

[Anonymous No.2338846]

Continental philosophy was pretty much discredited completely after Sokal, as if it wasn't already obvious that it was an exercise in mental gymnastics for the sake of supporting a political sacred cow.

[Anonymous No.2338847]

>>2338845
Shouldn't you be the one doing so? Since you have a poor grasp on reality.

[Anonymous No.2338849]

>>2338847
>likes marxism
>claims someone else has a poor grasp of reality

[Anonymous No.2338850]

it's funny that reactionaries would come to an anonymous image board to post

shouldn't 4chan be, like, antithetical to everything you stand for, or some shit

[Anonymous No.2338851]

>>2338849
There's no conflict between Marxist philosophy and reality.

[Anonymous No.2338852]

>>2338844
You don't get one without the other. One necessarily leads to the other.

>>>>2338778

You obviously have no idea about either of those schools of thought

>>2338824
I would take you more seriously if you weren't a fucking conservative/nationalist/racist piece of shit

[Anonymous No.2338855]

>>2338852
>conservative/nationalist/racist
>piece of shit

pick only 1
commie.

[Anonymous No.2338856]

>>2338850
4chan is a great place for normal people, because you can't get away with critical theory bullshit like calling everyone who disagrees with you a reactionary. We're grounded in the real world, where philosophy has to meet standards of informal logic.

[Anonymous No.2338861]

People only hate on marx because they're insecure hipsters who want to feel more intellectual than their professors.

[Anonymous No.2338858]

>>2338850
are you an idiot or just retarded?

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2338862]

this is gonna be this thread in 10 mins

[Anonymous No.2338863]

>>2338856

but posting anonymously? collectively contributing to threads? on a kind of website pioneered by the japanese? doesn't it rankle sort of?

[Anonymous No.2338864]

>>2338861
yes that's the only reason possible for anyone disliking kike nonsense.

[Anonymous No.2338865]

>>2338862
>implying it didn't start out that way

[Anonymous No.2338866]

>>2338864
>uses the word kike
>expects to be taken seriously

grow up

[Anonymous No.2338875]

>>2338861

>Implying professors take Marx seriously.

Really? I've never met a philosophy professor or economics prof who did.

[Anonymous No.2338872]

>>2338866
>ignores the fact that almost all european/north american communists were jews
>posts a jew
>claims that he knows reality

[Anonymous No.2338876]

>>2338875

could've just said "i went to community college" and left it at that

[Anonymous No.2338877]

>>2338863
That's the thing, you've got this idiotic philosophy that is an absolute joke outside of a self-sustaining academic clique, in which primitive associations are expected to be taken seriously. Anyone who disagrees with Marxism is supposed to be philosophically opposed to collective contributions? Really? And we're supposed to be anti-Japanese, too?

What's really going on is that you're projecting a huge amount of unreasonable positions to your political opponents, because in lit crit echo chambers you're able to get away with that bullshit. Since your opponent is wrong about everything, you're supposed to be right about everything. But that's not how the world works, no matter how much the critical theorists wish it was so.

[Anonymous No.2338878]

>>2338875
That would highly depend on the school you attent.

>>2338872
what? how is anything of what you just said right now actually being used against me?

[Anonymous No.2338879]

>>2338875

Never mind, I forgot, /lit/ is full of English majors.

[Anonymous No.2338882]

>>2338878
are you a hebe?

[Anonymous No.2338884]

>>2338882
No

why are you antisemitic?

[Anonymous No.2338888]

>>2338876

Really? Have you ever taken an econ or philosophy class? In the former, most US departments are full of Chicago school folks or /maybe/ neo–Keynesians. I know /of/ Marxist economists, but I've never met one.

Good philosophy departments are full of analytics who could care less for Marx and the people who like continental stuff are only rarely Marxists. In fact, in community college, you're far MORE likely to run into Marxists from what I hear.

>Confirmed for plebian tier.

[Anonymous No.2338891]

>>2338888
>most US departments are full of Chicago school folks
And that would be the guys feeding Reagan/Thatcher economic policies right?

[Anonymous No.2338892]

>>2338884
yes, i am, how can you not be anti-semitic in this day and age. Do you not know anything about history or current affairs?

also: hint anti-semite is defined as anyone the jews dislike.

>>2338888
nice quads.

Also: anyone who supports marxism should be shot.

[Anonymous No.2338893]

>>2338888
you might find more outside america where people don't harbour an irrational fear of communism

[Anonymous No.2338897]

>>2338893
>an irrational fear of communism
oh boy

hint: you will literally be killed if you spewed your bullshit in any former communist country.

[Anonymous No.2338898]

>>2338897
they're afraid of totalitarian regimes, not marxist philosophy. there's a difference

[Anonymous No.2338899]

>>2338892

[Anonymous No.2338903]

>>2338892
No, anyone who supports Marxism should be forced to explain what's so great about it. (it turns out they can't without relying on postmodernism or outright deception)

And also why someone who raped his maid should be remembered as a hero to the working class and taken seriously by feminists.

[Anonymous No.2338906]

German, for me. Husserl has a neat idea in phenomenology, which Heidegger expounds upon. Kant is, well, Immanuel fucking Kant. Schopenhauer is brilliant, as is Leibniz and Wittgenstein. But my favorite philosopher of all time has got to be Nietzsche. His writings are so vividly personal (or perhaps biographical). They are arrogant and clever and charming and insightful and most of all, fun. He's like a regeneration of Doctor Who who, at the turn of the century, wrote a dozen crazy-deep books about German and European culture.

The French are okay, too.

[Anonymous No.2338907]

>>2338892
>anti-semite is defined as anyone the jews dislike.

no it's not

>>anyone who supports marxism should be shot.

thats the kind of violent response I'd expect from stalin

[Anonymous No.2338912]

>>2338897

just bc wahtever hellhole your from fucked it up doesnt mean it doesn t work

[Anonymous No.2338913]

>>2338903
>without relying on postmodernism or outright deception

wat

[Anonymous No.2338921]

>>2338912
It's funny, the kind of revolution that Marxism obviously leads to has always lead to travesty. Modern study of sociology and psychology shows that this should be the expected result. It seems uniquely Marxist to ignore both historical facts about how things are and respected scientific theories about the results of an action.

[Anonymous No.2338925]

>>2338912
implying i have to be from a former communist country to know that commies are literally full of shit and a bunch of filthy fucking tyrants?

>>2338898
they aren't "afraid", you fucktard.

[Anonymous No.2338929]

>>2338921
just because the revolution has often run astray in the form of totalitarian state formation - something antithetical from marxism - doesn't mean the ideas aren't useful deciphering economic or social change.

[Anonymous No.2338932]

I wonder how much killing and dying the working class is supposed to do in the name of ending exploitation before it becomes counterproductive.

[Anonymous No.2338933]

>>2338925
>they aren't "afraid", you fucktard.

of course they are. as am i. why shouldn't you be? you clearly read something into that post that wasn't there.

[Anonymous No.2338936]

>>2338929
um, yea it does you fucktard?

Never in the world has there ever been "class conciousness" or "class struggle", that's just marxist nonsense with absolutely zero basis in reality.

[Anonymous No.2338939]

>>2338936
The historical counts of said revolutions among other less violent factors are evidence of both those things

[Anonymous No.2338941]

>>2338929
It isn't antithetical. It's a necessary component. You can't implement Marxist ideals without a totalitarian entity to enforce them.

As for your second point, I have yet to see evidence of it. Marxist interpretations of social and economic change rely on primitive dichotomies (capital vs labor, exploited vs exploiter) that allow theorists to simplify and manipulate data to support their political aims.

[Anonymous No.2338945]

>>2338941
They were wrong when they were invented 200 years ago, but they had perhaps a vague resemblance to reality.

Nowadays they are clearly and obviously bullshit, yet you still have these filthy marxists spewing their shit all over.

[Anonymous No.2338947]

>>2338939
One might even say that class consciousness is a social construct invented by would-be dictators to help them recruit an army.

[Anonymous No.2338955]

>>2338941
>You can't implement Marxist ideals without a totalitarian entity to enforce them.

you can if the community if small enough

marxism is valuable among a theories for studying historical narratives of class and economics.

>>2338947

it has been used in that way but there are examples of workers taking control without being manipulated by some leader.

[Anonymous No.2338957]

>>2338955
>you can if the community if small enough

Since marxism is a rejection of human nature, reality, genetics, science, etc you will always have to impose it.

Of course this is the whole point since it was invented by jews and promoted by jew bankers.

[Anonymous No.2338965]

>>2338961
I agree, why won't the goyim just serve us, haven't they even read the talmud?

[Anonymous No.2338967]

German, 'cause I don't know of any French analytic philosophers.

[Anonymous No.2338961]

>>2338957
human nature doesn't have a single ambition. as you can see we are two very different people but it's still human nature in both counts.

[Anonymous No.2338968]

dox litmod

[Anonymous No.2338976]

IGNORE THE TROLL. STOP POSTING REPLIES TO HIM. DISCUSS GERMAN AND FRENCH PHILOSOPHY.
How do you feel about Derrida?

[Anonymous No.2338981]

>>2338961
Hence why it's pointless trying to implement Marxist ideals in the large scale without some kind of (totalitarian) mechanism for changing or suppressing human instinct (besides the fact that even the little communes of of like-minded socialists predictably degenerate into crack houses).

[Anonymous No.2338983]

i will seriously send a muffin basket to whoever leaks litmod's personal information on this board think about it

[Anonymous No.2338986]

>>2338981
usually it's just old people treating them as retirement houses.

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2338992]

>>2338976
i was reading about his beef with john searle today, was pretty funny

[Anonymous No.2338994]

>>2338983
What kind of muffins are we talking about?

[Anonymous No.2339000]

>>2338994

as long as it stops the deluge of /pol/-posting, your choice (i recommend poppyseed)

[Anonymous No.2339003]

>>2338976
Derrida is pro-tier postmodernism. Just write a bunch of obscurantist bullshit and then when anyone calls you out on it claim that they misread your work.

[Anonymous No.2339010]

>>2339003

The sad thing is Derrida has the most content of all of them.

I don't know why Gadamer doesn't catch on in literature scholarship. Wait, I know why. It actually takes intellect to understand, opposed to post–modernism, which can just be bullshitted through.

>also, Sokal Hoax

[Anonymous No.2339015]

>>2338976
First text I read by him was Plato's pharmacy and I was all like WTF. I had to read some Deleuze about the inversion of platonism to get what he was talking about. I like his theory about the hiding nucleus of meaning of the texts, it reminds me of late Wittgenstein (that's a good thing).

[Anonymous No.2339031]

>>2339000

[Anonymous No.2339043]

>>2339031

+1

[Anonymous No.2339041]

German.

>mfw I first read Being in Time.

Nietzsche is for plebs.

[Anonymous No.2339045]

both suck and at this point are hardly relevant apart from historical interests. nearly all modern philosophers who have contributed anything of value are from gb or the usa.
guess i would prefer german though if only because i know of far more historically influential german philosophers than french ones.
i am german btw.
inb4 namedropping pretentiousfags geting butthurt

[Anonymous No.2339046]

>>2339041

If you think Nietzsche is for plebs, maybe you should revise your opinion about Being and Time.

[Anonymous No.2339054]

>>2339045
implying Adolf Hitler isn't the most relevant philosopher in history?

[Anonymous No.2339056]

>>2339041
You know the author of Being and Time also wrote a "short" commentary on Nietzsche in two volumes, right?

[Anonymous No.2339058]

>>2339054
Hitler spouted off ethnic struggle bullshit that's hardly any better than Marx's class struggle bullshit. Similarly, he never wrote anything that could seriously be called philosophy.

[Anonymous No.2339061]

>>2339058
um, ethnic struggle is actually the whole fucking history of the world.

[Anonymous No.2339062]

>>2339054
re-read my post.
i said
>apart from historical interests.

[Anonymous No.2339063]

>implying anyone can beat glorious De Sade

haters gonna hate

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2339065]

>>2339063
i seriously hope youre trolling

[Anonymous No.2339069]

>>2339063
This.
120 Days of Sodom is the best test ever written on metaepistemology.

[Anonymous No.2339075]

>>2339063
1. Take Kant's Categorical Imperative.
2. Turn it upside down
3. ???
4. Profit!

[Anonymous No.2339078]

>>2339063

[Anonymous No.2339082]

>>2339063
>Implying Sade's libertine ramblings wasn't satire for the sake of erotic enjoyment.

[Anonymous No.2339083]

>>2339063
This.
120 Days of Sodom is the best text ever written on metaepistemology.

[Anonymous No.2339087]

>>2339083
You already said that, fag. And still sounds retarded

[Anonymous No.2339090]

>>2339061
Yes, which is why Hitler could at least have claimed to have a better version of Marx's "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." Better yet, Hitler's premise can actually be supported by modern psychology, rather than merely being the output of a philosophical circle jerk. However, that doesn't mean that the conclusions he reaches are correct, nor does it change the fact that he was ultimately writing politics rather than philosophy.

[Anonymous No.2339091]

>>2339087
Look around: I said it once, and it's clearly true.
Do you even read?

[Anonymous No.2339094]

>>2339087
>2012
>responding to metatroll

[Anonymous No.2339098]

Who's the guy between Marx and Foucault?

[Anonymous No.2339102]

>>2339091
>>2339094
Oh no! It just can mean I'm losing my head!

[Anonymous No.2339105]

>>2339098
Paxman

[Anonymous No.2339109]

>>2338921
studies have shown that marxism leads to travesty? c'mon now that's just an idiotic statement.

>>2338936
spain circa 1935, russia circa 1919

as for the french vs the germans. i say germany wins (wittgenstien was austrian, though)

[Anonymous No.2339114]

>>2339102
Clearly.

[Anonymous No.2339119]

>>2339109
I'd include him in "German philosophy" since we include Kant too.

[Anonymous No.2339147]

>>2339109

>mfw even Lenin said that Russia was not a class struggle but an attempt to create revolutionary consciousness in advanced capitalist nations

>mfw Spain was just a combination of bourgeoise revolutionaries and anti–religious backlash

>mfw communists think communism doesn't inevitably lead to authoritarian madness

>mfw I have no face

[Anonymous No.2339171]

>>2339109
"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews."

-winston churchill

sure is "workers" mirite?

>spain circa 1935
again, you don't see any particular "class struggle", you have different areas of the country supporting different groups.

To try to view this as "workers vs capitalists" is fucking retarded, and you then claim everyone who opposes you is an idiot or brainwashed or whatever.

[Anonymous No.2339173]

>>2339147
bourgeoise revolutionaries? nah man, catalonia didn't fall under nationalist control simply because the working class was armed and fought well enough to repel the nationalists who, though religiously inspired, fought for the aristocracy, landowners, and wealthy conservatives.

i concede the point about lenin.

"communism" does not always lead to authoritarian madness. fidel, lenin, ho chi minh - none of them were madmen. though fidel certainly did display an authoritarian streak to him, albeit a mostly benevolent one.

[Anonymous No.2339175]

>>2339173
And here we have the typical marxist shit again, hurr everyone who doesn't support us is obviously working against their own interests!

Why don't you just fuck off back to reddit.

[Anonymous No.2339178]

>>2339173

Lenin founded the Cheka. All those men created authoritarian police states and camps for political dissidents and the accompanying murders. Really? Really?

[Anonymous No.2339180]

>>2339178
ho-chi-minh wasn't even a commie anyways.

[Anonymous No.2339183]

>>2336708
What about Descartes?

[Anonymous No.2339185]

>>2339065
>>2339075
>>2339078

Are you butthurt because of your "morals"? Just tell me: if you weren't able to feel pleasure, would you continue living?

[Anonymous No.2339270]

>>2339183
coolface.jpg

>>2339185
>Are you butthurt because of your "morals"?
of coars

>Just tell me: if you weren't able to feel pleasure, would you continue living?
If this is the point of all your De Sade cocksucking I'm disappointed. He's an enlightened just like Kant and the other douches. De Sade's just a fag, interesting to read, but just a fag.

[Anonymous No.2339586]

>>2339063
>Sade was incarcerated in various prisons and in an insane asylum for about 32 years of his life.

Why the fuck would you quote this man as a philosopher? He is the reason we have the term 'Sadism'.

[Anonymous No.2339627]

german philosophy has contributed more to the modern era, not sure if it's a good thing though.