/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23339953]

>literature has been a thing for three millenia
>still no incel novel

Are writers just more likely to have sex? What is going on?

[Anonymous No.23339959]

>>23339953
incels have only really existed since the 1990s.

[Anonymous No.23339962]

>Incel
>Matt Duchossoy
>Wayne is living in a world where nothing is just and only the attractive succeed. He's peered beyond the curtain, knows he will never have what it takes to be confident. His friends are not much better, and have a taste for taking revenge on those that wrong them.
>When a kooky waitress shows interest, Wayne is sure it's too good to be true. He's all too aware of his unconventional looks and beliefs, but decides to proceed with caution. Meanwhile, his friends introduce him to a world he never thought possible. A place of power. A place of violence. Wayne finds himself struggling to live two lives, all too aware that something has to give. Things will end in bloodshed.
>Incel provides a terrifying look into the extreme side of a growing community from the perspective of a fragile mind.

[Anonymous No.23339963]

>>23339953
ahem

[Anonymous No.23339970]

>>23339953
>still no incel novel
The Monk, Frankenstein and The Phantom of the Opera.

[Anonymous No.23339978]

Half of Les Particules Élémentaires is an incel novel. Bruno's part.

[Anonymous No.23339983]

>>23339953
I've always thought the term "incel" was oxymoronic. No wonder it was created by some retarded canuck woman.

[Anonymous No.23339988]

>>23339953

[Anonymous No.23340003]

There's been no other time in history where gender has been turned into a political weapon to divide people. Incels as we know it only exist today where man and woman are so divided.
Also reading from a writer with no life experience would be boring and annoying. An incel wouldn't be writing anything worth reading.

[Anonymous No.23340047]

>>23340003
Well, men have been the dominant gender since the dawn of the species, and only quite recently has that been (somewhat) reversed, so some kind of radical backlash against the male gender was inevitable.

[Anonymous No.23340202]

>>23340047
Pre-civil society was matriarchal that's why it never got off the ground.

[Anonymous No.23340241]

>>23340047
>men have been the dominant gender since the dawn of the species
That's retarded and you're basically proving his point about the idea of gender being turned into a political weapon without even being aware of it. Since "the dawn of the species" there has been a concentration of power; retards like to talk about "WOMEN DIDN'T GET THE VOTE UNTIL 1920!" when the reality is no one could fucking vote on anything throughout 99.999999999999999999999999% of human history. This yet you guys act like traditional gender roles are somehow false and unnatural when they've been in existence since time immemorial whereas the nonsense about women's liberation is barely 100 years old.

[Anonymous No.23340276]

>>23339953
Fucking retard

[Aleena !QQueenQez. No.23340279]

"incel" is a meaningless label people apply to those they dislike because "virgin" was not politically-loaded enough

[Anonymous No.23340296]

>>23340276
That guy isn't an incel (just a depressive). The fact women love him is a thread throughout the book. The point is that he's unable to feel love not that he's unloveable (which is what he believes).

Ever hear of an "unreliable narrator," autist?

[Anonymous No.23340371]

>>23339988
probably his worst book

[Anonymous No.23340396]

>>23339953
Taxi Driver?

[Anonymous No.23340403]

>>23340276
The entire plot of the book is women throwing himself at him.

[Anonymous No.23340413]

>>23340279
Is this the new Butters? I'm so excited...

[Anonymous No.23340468]

>>23339953
From the afterword:
>It is an artifact created by a man without ties to the outside world, and it is therefore autistic in the most extreme sense of the word

[Elliot's Husband !!UeLxjR8BrJ6 No.23340504]

>>23339953
Read more literature. Suffering of Young Werther is literally incel story.

[Anonymous No.23340506]

like anything by houellebecq

[Anonymous No.23340513]

>>23339963
Not an incel, he has sex in the novel.

[Anonymous No.23340529]

I'm an incel in the sense of never having a gf, never having sex, etc, but I don't follow the ideology. I wrote a novel about a guy who is tall, handsome, kind hearted, noble, and a great fighter, but miserably shy around girls, especially his crush. His arc over the course of the story is gaining the courage to admit his feelings to her, which he does after they save their kingdom from an evil wizard.

[Anonymous No.23340689]

Fuck the incel novel, when are we getting the next great american novel about a school shooter?

[Anonymous No.23340713]

>>23339953

[Anonymous No.23340738]

>>23340713
>the bitch, my wife

[Anonymous No.23340740]

>>23339953
we can't get published because we're "le mean to women"
society is circling the drain making sure every last woman is safe from breathing the same air as us.

[Anonymous No.23340745]

>>23340003
men have always lived for women. men have never truly been free, ever. our entire existence is predicated on making sure our glorified wombs are comfortable.

[Anonymous No.23340749]

>>23340529
I'm basically a mgtow but write theory.

[Anonymous No.23340755]

>>23339959
Don't be a moron

[Anonymous No.23340760]

>>23340529
Is being an incel a state of mind? Like just because you've never had sex that wouldn't necessarily mean you're an incel. I guess it was just originally meant for those who couldn't find relationships which is a pretty neutral term but with the connotations it carries now, it wouldn't apply to every man who doesn't have sex or a relationship

[Anonymous No.23340769]

>>23339953
There's the supreme gentleman's manifesto but it's laughably bad. Trite memories of childhood followed by permutations and scene repeats of him going out and sperging at seeing a couple. This goes on for 150 pages until he plans his (failed) day of retribution. There's funny bits here and there like deciding to kill his 14yo half brother because he's more popular at school than Elliot was, or him trying to manifest a winning lottery ticket. I suspect most incels are just too retarded and high inhib (as if they weren't they would just get pussy) to write something good, so you just get the musings of faggots and losers that somehow convinced themselves they were godlike.

[Anonymous No.23340772]

>>23340738
So? He never gets to fuck her or even have a life with her. The marriage only happens because it was arranged and like every incel, he preemptively cucks himself.

[Anonymous No.23340780]

>>23340769
Elliot Rodger was clearly a narcissist and lived on daddy's money. I never understood why the incels would chose him to represent them.

[Anonymous No.23340841]

>>23339959
this

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !Ry9RIEstm6 No.23340843]

>>23339953


I NEVER FOUND THAT WOMAN ATTRACTIVE UNTIL SEEING THAT PHOTOGRAPH, TODAY.

MAYBE DUE TO THE COMBINATION OF BLOOD, OPEN MOUTH, AND MUSTACHE.

[Anonymous No.23340846]

>>23340276
the guy constantly tries to get women to kill themselves because they all want to ride his dick and love him

[Anonymous No.23340847]

>>23340780
>I never understood why the incels would chose him to represent them
I thought that was just a meme

[Anonymous No.23340916]

>>23339953
My twisted world

[Anonymous No.23340944]

There have been a few attempts to write a definitive "le 4chan novel" but they always fall flat on their faces.

None of you tards seem to realize that every generation produces only a few great novelists at best. In this latter-day age, it's an especially small number because writing isn't as popular as it once was and a lot of people are putting their effort into different mediums (hemingway would have been a fagass vlogger if he was born in 1999). Zoomers are still young as well, the breakthrough work of the great Zoomer authors won't really be published for a couple of more years.

Theres plenty of mediocre literature out there produced by new guys (Zulu Alitspa, Ogden Nesmer, F Gardner, Mike Ma) if you are interested, but it's all pretty shit.

I am writing my first novel now, but the incel "On The Road" probably won't be written until I am 30 and the zeitgeist has moved on.

[Anonymous No.23340960]

>Décidément, me disais-je, dans nos sociétés, le sexe représente bel et bien un second système de différenciation, tout à fait indépendant de l’argent ; et il se comporte comme un système de différenciation au moins aussi impitoyable. Les effets de ces deux systèmes sont d’ailleurs strictement équivalents. Tout comme le libéralisme économique sans frein, et pour des raisons analogues, le libéralisme sexuel produit des phénomènes de paupérisation absolue. Certains font l’amour tous les jours ; d’autres cinq ou six fois dans leur vie, ou jamais. Certains font l’amour avec des dizaines de femmes ; d’autres avec aucune. C’est ce qu’on appelle la « loi du marché ». Dans un système économique où le licenciement est prohibé, chacun réussit plus ou moins à trouver sa place. Dans un système sexuel où l’adultère est prohibé, chacun réussit plus ou moins à trouver son compagnon de lit. En système économique parfaitement libéral, certains accumulent des fortunes considérables ; d’autres croupissent dans le chômage et la misère. En système sexuel parfaitement libéral, certains ont une vie érotique variée et excitante ; d’autres sont réduits à la masturbation et la solitude. Le libéralisme économique, c’est l’extension du domaine de la lutte, son extension à tous les âges de la vie et à toutes les classes de la société. De même, le libéralisme sexuel, c’est l’extension du domaine de la lutte, son extension à tous les âges de la vie et à toutes les classes de la société.
It has been written

[Anonymous No.23340965]

>>23339953
Never heard of Hollebeque?

[Anonymous No.23341022]

>>23340689
Why write about it when people regularly live it

[Anonymous No.23341025]

>>23339953
Literally every Japanese isekai MC ever.

[Anonymous No.23341032]

>>23340047
>Well, men have been the dominant gender since the dawn of the species, and only quite recently has that been (somewhat) reversed, so some kind of radical backlash against the male gender was inevitable.
OK, then WHY and HOW were men “the dominant gender since the dawn of the species”? Is it just a coincidence? From Chinese to European to African civilization and hunter-gatherer tribes? (There are some interesting outliers brought up by anthropologists, of some reputedly matriarchal societies or those with a greater role for women, but they’re, again, outliers).

Is it a coincidence? Or could it be the result of deep engrained differences between men and women biologically (physiologically, neurologically, psychologically, and hormonally)? Here’s one simple example: for the continuation of the human species for much of known history, women have had to undergo pregnancy, carrying a child for about 9 months. During this time, women essentially have to be protected, given some leeway for the difficulties they go through, and can become increasingly more and more debilitated as the pregnancy goes on, due to the issues associated with carrying a fetus to fruition in one’s womb. Whereas men can theoretically just coom indefinitely without themselves directly experiencing the debilitation of pregnancy.

Men are much physically stronger (and aggressive) on average. Besides the parts we just go “ewww, icky!!!” over that are associated with male strength or testosterone (war, physical combat), this has also been useful in hunting animals throughout history (even a spear, a slingshot, hurling rocks or using a bow and arrow needs some strength), besides working in construction and the heavier-lifting trades associated with a lot of our physical comfort throughout the development of civilization. (Houses, roads, bridges, aqueducts, creation of sewer/sanitation systems, dams, chimneys, etc.)

[Anonymous No.23341048]

>>23341032
With this, men have also been the primary ones to directly fight and die in wars. Today, they’re mostly the ones drafted. As >>23340241 mentions, some of these uber-feminist talking points and vicious snarling and clawing and biting at “the patriarchy”, historically and today, gives the warped view that the bumfuck average Joe man throughout history (who could’ve experienced everything from being enslaved in a war, working on a plantation or as a serf with few rights, living in poverty and relative powerlessness compared to the elites, etc.) is one a same tier of luxury and power as a Charlemagne or a Caesar.

>but what about almost all the major leaders historically in most developed civilizations having been men?
It’s probably a consequence of this same greater male aggression and assertiveness (from testosterone etc.), along with the correlated neuro/psychological factors of men scoring lower on agreeableness and having greater ambition that could verge on autistic-like grinding toward some great goal, than women. A similar historical curio is in men often (but not always) being the great scientists, inventors, artists, writers, thinkers, etc. throughout history, again probably explained by the greater variation in IQs among men than among women (although the average of both sexes’ IQ ends up the same). In other words, women cluster more towards the average, with less really retarded or really smart women, and men tend towards a greater variation of very dumb men to super-intelligent geniuses.

This complex coalition of factors, I think, is what led to the so-called “patriarchy.” Then, with modern civilization shifting to industrial and post-industrial society, somewhat away from the brute physical realities of pre-civilized life, a massive social engineering effort went underway to entirely upturn this formerly natural, traditional order of things, arguably leading to Western first-world-nation women actually being some of the most privileged beings to ever exist, in fact arguably even at the expense of men, due to these same aforementioned factors of men often being the ones drafted, sent to die in war, doing the hard physical labor like plumbing and construction supporting our society, etc., while Suzy Creamcheese gets D.E.I. initiatives and special scholarships in fields like academia, computer science/programming, major corporations and so forth (comfier “sitting at a desk in an air-conditioned place” jobs, of course, not as a plumber, ew!) to give her a bump up in education and the workplace.

So, if you can’t tell by now, I think this “backlash against men”, at least in modern Western or Westernized first-world, is based on bullshit reasons. It often veers into misandry combined with a toxic victim mindset, and a double standard that talking about women’s issues is “YASSS!!! SO NEEDED, QUEEN!” while talking about men’s issues is “toxic MRA/redpill/manosphere/incel shit lmao.”

[Anonymous No.23341078]

I'm an incel. I can try writing one if you want.
I don't really have anything interesting to convey, however. My days are composed of repetitive sloggish work, crude attempts at leisure and relaxation, and late night depressive episodes.
There's really nothing to say on the topic other than i'm sad, ugly and do not fuck as a result.

Incel characters also can't really be painted in an appealing light by designed

[Anonymous No.23341090]

>>23339953
The first incel novel was written over 200 years ago desu

[Anonymous No.23341700]

>>23340843
Get help

[Anonymous No.23341708]

>>23340755
It's true.

[Anonymous No.23341713]

>>23339953
>>23341700
who is she? why is she a meme?

[Anonymous No.23341722]

>>23341090
> unrequited love is now muh incel
damn, everyone's been an incel, then.

[Anonymous No.23341739]

>>23339953
Incels just aren't likely to write well, I guess.

[Anonymous No.23341741]

>>23341722
...yes? what did incel meant?

[Anonymous No.23341751]

>>23341741
It's an oxymoronic word for losers who can't get laid. It's not about love.

[Anonymous No.23341758]

>>23341751
what do you think love is about retard?

but no, incel refers to relationships not just sex.

[Anonymous No.23341767]

>>23341758
>what do you think love is about retard?
A romantic emotional connection between two people, not just the action of sex.
>but no, incel refers to relationships not just sex.
No, it refers to sex. That's the original meaning. The fact that retards later vulgarized it and added other shit is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.23341796]

I think a big cause of this is spending too much time online. I don't really know anyone else irl who suffers from this and I have at least 3 friends I meet on a semi-regular basis.

[Anonymous No.23341801]

>>23340371
>implying all of his books aren't shit

[Anonymous No.23341815]

>>23339953
There are plenty of incel novels, just look up harem fantasies

[Anonymous No.23341955]

>>23341767
>sex is a relationship
>durr no incel refers to sex not relationships
retard