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[Anonymous No.23338895]

Atheism is right. The material is all that matters. All other thought is worthless; it's limited by the body. The most brilliant man you can think of is powerless when he's dead, and being dead is the only certainty everyone succumbs to, inevitably. No life? No nothing. And life relies upon the material, period.

[Anonymous No.23338896]

>>23338895
Books?

[Anonymous No.23338898]

>>23338896
Your books are worthless. I just told you the truth, so you need not read ever again.

[Anonymous No.23338996]

>>23338895
>the most brilliant man you can think of is powerless when he's dead

[Anonymous No.23339016]

>>23338895
You seek immortality in your speech. The material world is wrought with the quest for that which seems to elude it, the fountain of life for they dying amidst the dead. Atheism is just the misunderstanding of death and material in the cosmic order. Christ and his church named themselves the living God, and are still thus. Biological “life” is lower in order than mythopoetic cosmioreligious life. You are a cell in a body. If you are cancer in the body of Christ you will be cut off. This is not a threat, it is a warning.

[Anonymous No.23339123]

>>23338895
There's no excuse for maintaining a materialist atheist paradigm after the age of about 30. By this time you should have spent enough time engaged in a relationship with the right hemisphere of your brain together with ample evidence through general life experience and Jungian synchronicities to figure out what the Greeks managed to figure out 2500 years ago though their faculties of reason (as well as a tonne of drugs no doubt). Whether you like it or not your true self is an immortal spirit and you are here forever. Peace brother.

[Anonymous No.23339146]

>>23338895
You have no proof that the material gives rise to consciousness, nor will you ever

[Anonymous No.23339204]

>>23338895
Odd question - does atheism necessitate materialism?

[Anonymous No.23339212]

>>23338895
Nobody cares about your theological views, worthless nigger.

[Anonymous No.23339489]

>>23339123
>vague attempt at shaming and "just figure it out bro" with no actual argument
Nietzsche continues to kick this board's ass.

[Anonymous No.23339503]

>>23339123
Jung was full of shit. I have never experienced synchronicity in my life.

[Anonymous No.23339546]

>>23339503
women say they notice synchronicity all the time

[Anonymous No.23339548]

>>23338895
>The most brilliant man you can think of is powerless when he's dead
Do gaytheists really think this?

[Anonymous No.23339673]

>>23338895

[Anonymous No.23339679]

>>23339146
Hegel gave proof

[Anonymous No.23339723]

>>23339204
Atheism is more of an (inevitable) end result of materialism. It's a difficult theory to disprove because at the end of the day if Aristocles (or whoever) explained his theories to you and you simply shot him in the head, then Aristocles would be dead, and his ideas would inevitably die because you destroyed their roots. Even if other witnesses or people comprehended and repeated those theories (virtually impossible; it would be imperfect, as the root of these ideas has been destroyed) they too may be killed or simply die out naturally. Human history is full of groups or individuals snuffing out ideas, beliefs, cultures and even ethnicities. It's the one true demonstrable constant, a sort of entropy that is inherent to humanity as a base organism subject to instincts and material limitations, and this constant is inherently above anything ever espoused by any other ideology. The only "solution" one could ever conjure to oppose the killing of thought is apathy, be it out of dejection or as a survival technique, in which case any urge to resolve spiritual, ethical or philosophical questions will simply be ripped from mankind, gradually eroded from humanity's material inclinations like ocean waves crashing against cliffs for centuries. Animals are subject to selective breeding in the same sort of way.

This is all the psychopathic moral nihilism of "Might Makes Right" combined with philosophical pessimism, placing moral imperative on the value of suffering yet aggressively against the idea of thinking itself. Putting one's own mind to the task of dismantling itself; euthanizing the ego. Destroying the idea of man not for any purpose nor to oblige any reason, but because man is shit and his entropic demise will occur no matter what anyone decides, thinks nor does.

[Anonymous No.23339741]

>>23338895
HaHAhaHAhaHA.

[Anonymous No.23339795]

>>23338896
Ignore OP, He’s an underage retard.

[Anonymous No.23339799]

>>23338895
If material is so true why can’t I visualize oxygen

[Anonymous No.23339815]

>>23338895
Then, fully explain consciousness in material terms, you genius.

[Anonymous No.23339819]

>>23338898
>your books are worthless
Which books?

[Anonymous No.23339829]

>>23339799
not being able to see oxygen with your eyes does not mean its presence does not bear immense power over your existence

[Anonymous No.23339830]

>>23339799
Skill issue.

[Anonymous No.23339851]

My life got drastically better and easier once I accepted that and stopped trying to read into fucking everything and analyze so much. Amazing how simple it is to get a gf when you’re just tunnel visioned on money and goals.

[Anonymous No.23339865]

>>23338895
>oy vey stop caring about stuff other than pussy and money
>trust me bro, the material is enough to satisfy the innate spiritual needs of every human being
>I know because I watch porn and get dopamine hits to make my peepee and brain feel good
Do leddit atheists even?

[Anonymous No.23339872]

>>23339865
Nice strawman but I’m better looking and more fit than you’ll ever be.

[Anonymous No.23339885]

>>23339865
>the material is enough to satisfy the innate spiritual needs of every human being
You have no spiritual needs. You are a sum of materials with the delusion of spiritual needs. Your "spiritual needs" are no more valid than the cicada crying out long after its biological imperatives have been met.

[Anonymous No.23339916]

>>23339872
>focusing on le funny fat meme instead of in the actual argument
Kek hit a little too close to home? Typical letheist response

>>23339885
>You have no spiritual needs. You are a sum of materials with the delusion of spiritual needs
Says you? What makes you the authority on that? The problem with this worldview is that it falls flat the second the material doesn't fulfill these "delusions". Your argument is essentially "because I can't see it, it's not true"

[Anonymous No.23339917]

>>23339916
>What makes you the authority on that?
The fact that it doesn't benefit you, and if anyone decided you shouldn't do it anymore they would kill you, you wouldn't do it and they alone would remain standing with any degree of power.

[Anonymous No.23339920]

>>23339723
actually irrefutable

[Anonymous No.23339954]

>>23339917
>The fact that it doesn't benefit you
It does. I was never more miserable than when I was a full blown materialist and the fruits of that worldview came back to bite me in the ass

>and if anyone decided you shouldn't do it anymore they would kill you, you wouldn't do it and they alone would remain standing with any degree of power
What even is this argument? You talking about exercising your power to stop somebody from believing or practicing something? You assume that that person that submits actually changes his mind. You could force him not to practice certain rituals but you can't stop an idea. Any degree of power over that person would be subject only to the physical, which is something spiritualists concede, anyways. You're not really disproving anything

[Anonymous No.23339955]

>>23339723
>Destroying the idea of man not for any purpose nor to oblige any reason, but because man is shit and his entropic demise will occur no matter what anyone decides, thinks nor does.

That’s more of a theist delusion, with their idea of sin and humans being tainted, desire and nature being evil and incompatible with their ideals.

[Anonymous No.23339961]

>>23339829
this but with God.

[Anonymous No.23339969]

>>23339865
What are your innate spiritual needs and what satisfies them?

[Anonymous No.23339975]

>>23339955
>desire and nature being evil and incompatible with their ideals.
I can't tell if you're being bad faith or just genuinely ignorant of what the ideals actually are. The Christian doctrine, as an example, doesn't deem desire or nature as evil, per say. The perversion of desire and nature is what's sinful

[Anonymous No.23339989]

>>23339975
>having sex before my nonsensical (((marriage))) is a perversion of desire
Just stop. All the main religions do this shit. You’re literally born with sin and have to seek salvation in this faith, the moment a baby comes out of the womb without having done anything at all is sinful. Now that is a sick and twisted ideology.

[Anonymous No.23340004]

>>23338895
>The material is all that matters. All other thought is worthless; it's limited by the body.
Anon, can you tell me what material your thoughts are made of?

[Anonymous No.23340028]

>>23339989
>the moment a baby comes out of the womb without having done anything at all is sinful
Find me one Bible verse, ONE, that says that babies go to hell if they die. Then I'll concede.

>Just stop
Look around you. Are the modern day fruits of sexual liberation anything to be proud of? No matter how you cope or cut it, (((marriage))) at least kept people somewhat in check, more so than le epic feminism that caused sexual dynamics to essentially implode. You either know this truth or you're coping. There's literally no in between.

[Anonymous No.23340041]

>>23340004
The squishy organic stuff inside my skull.

[Anonymous No.23340043]

>>23338895

[Anonymous No.23340044]

>>23339969
Hard question because anything that I can put into words will sound pretentious to a materialist like you. But I'll play along: the best way I could put it is that there are things that this world just can't satisfy me with or give me peace and I know that I have to look to a higher power for guidance, purpose and acceptance. No matter how much I tried to create my purpose, meditate, write, etc it wasn't until I put my life into God's hands that I managed to find peace.

[Anonymous No.23340056]

>>23340041
That's what your literal "thoughts" are made of? Brain matter? So if you die and somebody dissects your brain, there ought to be a way for them to see what your final thoughts were, right?

[Anonymous No.23340076]

>>23340044
I'm trying to engage beyond the strawmen and petty insults that these threads usually end up with.

I realize subjective feelings are hard to articulate, and I'm not trying to make some kind of gotcha argument. But I honestly do not understand what phrases like 'put my life in God's hands' or even 'find peace' actually mean. Seems to me like just a more poetic way of explaining your 'dopamine hits and brain feel good.'

[Anonymous No.23340133]

>>23340076
>I'm trying to engage beyond the strawmen
Fair enough.

Well, that's exactly what I mean when I say it's hard to put into words. Peace is something beyond the dopamine hit because if it were just a type of dopamine hit, I would've been fine just doing drugs and having sex. I'm also not trying to assign some great esoteric meaning when I say peace, either. When I say peace, I mean literally just that. It's being calm amidst the storm, so to speak, and a feeling of not being in need of that dopamine hit. That no matteer what happens in your life deep down you're secure and peaceful that God is there with you.

>But I honestly do not understand what phrases like 'put my life in God's hands
Another hard one if you've never experienced God but I guess the best way I can put it is complete surrender. I felt a glimpse of this before I believed in God when I "gave up", in the sense that I didn't know what else to do, so I just fell on my knees and prayed. I felt a relief I hadn't felt in a long, long time. When I found God again in 2022 and 2023, I felt this experience once more in a very dark time in my life and it was so overwhelming I knew that there was something out there, something that I could call God.

I love this type of discussion but I realize that a lot of this is just personal experience. Which is why I always try to stay in the logical and not "prove" the spiritual but engage with the materialist and perhaps open their mind that there could be something out there we don't see that holds great influence in our lives

[Anonymous No.23340162]

>>23339954
>Human history is full of groups or individuals snuffing out ideas, beliefs, cultures and even ethnicities. It's the one true demonstrable constant, a sort of entropy that is inherent to humanity as a base organism subject to instincts and material limitations, and this constant is inherently above anything ever espoused by any other ideology. The only "solution" one could ever conjure to oppose the killing of thought is apathy, be it out of dejection or as a survival technique, in which case any urge to resolve spiritual, ethical or philosophical questions will simply be ripped from mankind, gradually eroded from humanity's material inclinations like ocean waves crashing against cliffs for centuries. Animals are subject to selective breeding in the same sort of way.

[Anonymous No.23340165]

>>23340056
they have literally done that in labs

[Anonymous No.23340205]

>>23340133
Calm has always been kind of my default state, so descriptions of finding peace always left me a bit nonplussed. Emotions come and go like weather patterns, and life just goes on. Prayer, meditation, reading scripture, attending services have never inspired any sort of feeling for me. I'm always fascinated to read about the subject, and try to keep an open mind about what might be out there. But I've never experienced anything that suggests there is. Materialism just seems like an obvious fact of life to me.

[Anonymous No.23340343]

>>23340162
>what is the myriad of universal ideas present in every religion and culture throughout all of human history, no matter which part of the planet you go to?
Sure thing bud

[Anonymous No.23340351]

>>23340205
Well, I'm not saying that materialism isn't a fact. It is. There is a material world and there's no amount of rationalization that could refute that. What I am proposing is that it's not the only thing and I'll go even further and say it's not an end in itself.

[Anonymous No.23340352]

>>23338895
Possibly the dumbest take on any subject I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.23340402]

>>23340351
>What I am proposing is that it's not the only thing and I'll go even further and say it's not an end in itself.

I want to believe, anon. I've just never seen any compelling evidence.

[Anonymous No.23340451]

>>23339123
>"lol, materialism is for babies and you should have grown out of it by now!"
But that's just ad hom, you're not addressing the position or defending the alternatives, not at all.
>"yeah, well, talk to me when you grow up, kiddo!"

Reminder this is the whole of modern idealist argumentation. God help us all.