Why was Cormac McCarthy anti-Christian?

[Anonymous No.23310090]

What a dumbass, I regret ever buying his novels.

[Anonymous No.23310095]

>>23310090
He was a materialist satanist. How the fuck isn't that obvious from the start?

[Anonymous No.23310106]

>>23310090
All geniuses, whatever the arena, are anti-Christian. Doesn't that make you think?

[Anonymous No.23310108]

>>23310090
>>23310095
The judge is the spirit of antichrist at work in the world. He animates "Faustian" civilization, modernity, blah blah blah.

Basically all those guys that called Cormac a devil worshipper or freemason were spiritually discerning.

The jokes on you if you finish one of his books. He's not the only author like this.

[Anonymous No.23310114]

>>23310106
Sir Isaac Newton was a devout Christian.

[Anonymous No.23310115]

>>23310106
>All geniuses, whatever the arena, are anti-Christian.
False. Nice try, though, schlomo.

[Anonymous No.23310120]

>>23310108
wtf are you talking about

[Anonymous No.23310143]

>>23310108
What others like this?

[Anonymous No.23310145]

>>23310114
He rejected mainstream Christianity and respected paganism enough to make a passable impact on modern physics.

[Anonymous No.23310151]

>>23310106
Most "geniuses" are literally demonically possessed. Perhaps it's no coincidence that we call them that.

There are people with some serious legitimate brain power out there but once we get into pseudo-schizo visionary territory, they're really just getting messed with by the demons. Mac himself said its all "unconscious" forces he invited into himself. Those seemingly sublime illusions are, as stated in blood Meridian itself, just a fever dream, all for lost people who like to think they're smart to gawk at.

Most important of all, the human mind is not God and the human personality does not matter beyond being an ethical person.

[Anonymous No.23310160]

>>23310145
Still anti-Christian like you said, chud.
Try again.

[Anonymous No.23310174]

>>23310120
The BOOK Blood Meridian. Holden never sleeps, Satan never sleeps. The fiddle, the pedophilia, the psychopathic word salad mind games.... Cormac really spells it or for us.
>>23310143
In his interview with Oprah Cormac said Henry Miller did it too. But the fact is you can tell which artists were like that after enough exposure to their patterns. Art is full of degenerates who open themselves up to spirits.

[Anonymous No.23310184]

>>23310106
Ted K was indifferent towards it

[Anonymous No.23310186]

>>23310106
>>23310151
I just want to add that there were and are Christian "geniuses" (for lack of a better term) such as Bach and Handel or Wolfgang Smith, and especially many Church Fathers. But they did not abide by the cult of genius but gave all the glory to God. And had nothing demonic about them.

[Anonymous No.23310190]

>>23310145
Still not anti-Christian like you said, chud.

[Anonymous No.23310417]

>>23310106
The man who invented the battery was a devout Catholic.

[Anonymous No.23310477]

>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.23310566]

>>23310106
>All geniuses, whatever the arena, are anti-Christian. Doesn't that make you think?

[Anonymous No.23310574]

>>23310145
>a passable impact
You've never studied physics and don't know enough about calculus to even take a derivative.

[Anonymous No.23310680]

>>23310151
Why the fuck are you here there are 75 boards for you to proselytize on.

[Anonymous No.23310687]

>>23310108
The judge was the devil himself or evil incarnate walking on earth. All that tripe about everyone seemed to have met him before somehow someway somewhere, “there can be only one dancing beast on the stage” or whatever the fuck, I think in the first section he even claims to be satan or the devil outright but I forget.

[Anonymous No.23310759]

>>23310680
>religious retards should leave my esteemed literature board!
Sorry libtard, read a book

[Anonymous No.23310830]

>>23310759
I'm sure everyone on >>>/trv/ is excited to hear about how the only sinless form of travel is pilgrimage.

[Anonymous No.23311039]

>>23310184
Ted K was a retard.

[Anonymous No.23311063]

>>23310106
In literature is like the exact opposite. Aside from Homer, all or most of the true masters were Christians(Dante, Shakespeare, Goethe, Dickens, Dostoevsky). The only non Christians that would make a serious claim are Kafka and Melville(not sure his religion).

You can have good writers who are anti-Christian, like McCarthy, but their literature is usually one note. Its missing some important aspect of life that their bias closes them off to. The genius must be open to this.

[Anonymous No.23311072]

>>23311063
You can't argue with that guy he's like Calvinist or something and thinks creativity is sinful. Read The Recognitions if you want insight there.

[Anonymous No.23311114]

>>23310090
He was a nihilist which is mutually exclusive with being religious
>>23310106
This is so obviously false that it's not even good bait so I'm surprised this was successful as bait

[Anonymous No.23311138]

>>23310095
>>23310108
>>23310151
Are you stupid? McCarthy includes subtle (not necessarily heavy-handed, but sometimes moreso) Christian ideas in his works as a counterpart to all the seeming nihilism, senseless violence, and brutality. Like the speeches of the ex-priest Tobin in Blood Meridian. Or like the eccentric Mennonite Ely who (accurately) prophesies and warns against the kid and co. joining Captain White’s mission to Mexico, saying it’ll bring the wrath of God upon them. Also being an obvious allusion to the prophet Elijah, plus the eccentric Elijah of Moby Dick who also accurately warns against their mission to hunt the white whale.

>The wrath of God lies sleeping. It was hid a million years before men were and only men have power to wake it. Hell aint half full. Hear me. Ye carry war of a madman’s making onto a foreign land. Ye’ll wake more than the dogs.

Or the kid (now the man) becoming a Christian at the end of the work, opposing the philosophy of the Judge, the Bible he carries around for inspiration (although illiterate), his compassionate talking to the old woman he wants to help (but who turns out to be frozen dead/in rigor mortis), etc. There are these subtle glimpses of possible transcendence or redemption, often put in the context of obvious investigations into theological/existential questions like that of theodicy (or why suffering exists generally and just how bad it can get) in most all his major works, as in the Book of Job. Or other times even more obvious Christian imagery and symbolism throughout his works. “If he is not the word of God then God never spoke” in the father’s thoughts in The Road, and the father’s general endeavor to himself be a good person in a hellish world as well as (successfully) hand down this moral code to his son.

Stop talking nonsense and get your head screwed on straight. This backwards interpretation of “Christianity” (as you seem to conceive it) is entirely not amenable to actual coherent thought and criticism or understanding of literature. You’re paranoid, judgmental, verging on bigoted and filled with a hate that ironically probably makes you a better candidate for demonic possession than whoever you’re talking against.

There’s extreme brutality and violence in the Old Testament, too. Is it now Satanic for that? Well, tragically enough, such suffering, violence, and fucked-up scenarios actually happen in the world. McCarthy simply is looking it without rose-colored glasses, in all its gruesomeness. But the underlying message (although not always done heavy-handedly, such that some crudely misinterpret his works as ‘nihilistic’) is clearly not a glorification or vindication of such brutality, and in fact subtly hints at possibilities of transcendence or redemption from it. He’s showing how bad things can get. That doesn’t mean supporting it, any more than Solzhenitsyn supported the atrocities of the Soviet Union.

[Anonymous No.23311146]

>>23310090
He's a hack.

[Anonymous No.23311149]

He wasn’t. He considered himself a materialist and believed science gave an accurate account for the world and its origin, but he wasn’t anti-Christian, not really.

These YouTubers are pseuds and shysters.

[Anonymous No.23311154]

>>23310090
>Why was Cormac McCarthy anti-Christian?
Is this something that's inferred from his fiction? Or did he state this in an interview? Or what, exactly?

[Anonymous No.23311156]

His last two novels are about the failure of the Christian soul and the victory of Judeo-Satanic materialism.

[Anonymous No.23311161]

>>23311138
Some could argue this but according to the video that this thread is about
>not a single scholar considers there to be any Christian themes in McCarthys work.
and
>no great writer was ever Christian.
He goes on to elaborate on how McCarthys hated his father and neighbors for being Christian while making money(no joke) and this being the major inspiration for his fiction.

[Anonymous No.23311179]

>>23311161
lol is this video by the dudebro who speaks like a retard?

[Anonymous No.23311201]

>>23311179
Yeah, but alot of people on this board think he's based and insightful.

[Anonymous No.23311348]

>>23311161
>McCarthys hated his father and neighbors for being Christian while making money(no joke) and this being the major inspiration for his fiction.
See? He was just another lost soul. You meet guys like this and you know. They are confused and try to destroy themselves to escape. It's a tragedy.

May God rest his soul.

[Anonymous No.23311365]

>>23310090
The Road doesn't seem very anti-christian. Sure there's a part where the old man lambasts faith, but the whole part about carrying on the fire, which also shows up in No Country, doesn't make me want to think he's a full-on nihilist. More like a pessimist. Besides, he said in his Oprah interview that he prays and doesn't think you need to have a clear idea of god in your head to do that. I don't know, just seems like a complicated guy

[Anonymous No.23311369]

It’s clear he struggled with spirituality but to call him either or is nonsense he seems dead set stuck directly in the middle

[Anonymous No.23311370]

>>23310174
>In his interview with Oprah Cormac said Henry Miller did it too
you're talking about the part about the unconscious? Do you really think McCarthy was opening himself up to spirits or talking about spirits when he said that?

[Anonymous No.23311376]

>>23311370
Yes I do. Everyone copes about it but that's what the "unconscious" really is, the demonic realm. Occult guys like Evola say so too, it's not just Christian belief.

[Anonymous No.23311385]

>>23311376
Well, McCarthy did not agree with you. He thought it was a problem-solving machine. So if you think that coming up with intuitive solutions to practical problems is satanic or something then good for you I guess.

[Anonymous No.23311390]

>>23310090
Stella Maris has heavy religious undertones.

[Anonymous No.23311416]

>>23311385
That sounds like Ericksonian hypnosis to me. There are layers to the mind and there are subtle forces. When you "tune in" to certain "frequencies" you may gather information that your mind is looking for but I'm telling you, it's not all from the mind itself. In fact, things from outside the mind can then use that individual mind for their own ends once contact is made, knowingly or unknowingly. It's not the same as just having a good mindset or something else like that.
Anyway I'm not condemning him as a person. I don't know his heart or repentance or God's judgment and mercy. He obviously struggled a lot like the rest of us and deserves compassion.

[Anonymous No.23311430]

Am I really supposed to actively care about the religious/metaphysical beliefs of some guy who just wrote shitty cowboy pulp novels?

[Anonymous No.23311452]

>>23310090
because Christianity is a religion used to control poor people.

[Anonymous No.23311476]

>>23311063
>Goethe and Shakespeare were christians
Lmao no

[Anonymous No.23311482]

>>23311452
Hiya, midwit. Think you may have dropped your fedora somewhere.

[Anonymous No.23311497]

>>23310090
He was a gnostic, which is even gayer then being a satanist, plotinus btfo'd the queer McCarthy's entire perception 2000 fucking years ago and people still suck his dick, the road, no country and bm were ass

[Anonymous No.23311526]

>>23311476
cope.

[Anonymous No.23311534]

>>23311497
Being a gnostic is done when one is too narcistic to be a Christian but not narcistic enough to be a satanist.

It is the most in-authentic and un-genuine belief system.

[Anonymous No.23311539]

>He ate the last of the eggs and wiped the plate with the tortilla and ate the tortilla and drank the last of the coffee and wiped his mouth and looked up and thanked her.
>Cormac McCarthy, The Crossing (1994)

[Anonymous No.23311644]

>>23311539
You left out spat and sock feet divested and sunset

[Anonymous No.23311654]

another thinly veiled bait thread

[Anonymous No.23311737]

>>23310090
She literally ruined the whole world by mindbreaking Greenspan with her tainted Slav pussy, causing him to unleash the Devil (financial derivatives) as a form of revenge.

[Anonymous No.23311784]

>>23310106
Jeff Dean and Yann LeCun are both devout Christians. Most of the big names in AI research right now are actually.

[Anonymous No.23311861]

>>23310090
>retweet /=/ endorsement

>>23310108
picrel. and this >>23311138

Ex-priest Tobin's more antichrist than Judge Holden. All the sensationalist readings of BM gloss over the import of the Epilogue. Did the kid brain himself in that outhouse? Out of remorse for what he did out on the plains to the uppity bone collector boy?

>>23311156
Bobby & Alicia being of mixed (with gentiles) parentage and culpability in the Manhattan Project is less favorable to the latter than the former.

[Anonymous No.23311890]

>>23311861
Picrel was cope headcanon. The guy whose post you also included actually had a point and wrote really well. But I still disagree with him.
The post in the pic you posted is more like the inverse of what happens. Tobin represents the grace of God protecting the boy. He even says that you will never know you were hearing the voice of God until it's gone forever and then what happens? Tobin himself is gone forever.
When the Kid listens to Tobin in the desert he survives the Indian attack and becomes a crack shot. The book juxtaposes Tobin and the judge all the time, such as when the kid falls asleep riding alongside Tobin and wakes up riding alongside the judge. The Kid failed to listen to his conscience too many times and lost the grace of God as personified by Tobin, which protected him from the judge.

The book, being satanic itself, was written to give the impression that each moment of repentance that the Kid had was worthless. He has a Bible but can't read, he has compassion for an old woman but its too late for it to matter. "You ain't nothin". In truth, no repentance is ever wasted. But the book ends with the devil collecting the man's soul.

It's all written from within the frame of Satan.

[Anonymous No.23311893]

>>23310417
And the Gregorian calendar ... and the big bang ...

[Anonymous No.23312195]

>>23311063
I notice you left out John Milton for instance, I wonder why

[Anonymous No.23312273]

>>23310106
>t. guy who literally knows nothing about literature or history
I bet nothing and everything makes you think, kid.

[Anonymous No.23312289]

>>23310151
Yes. Aristotle explained it and it's not a bad thing. We can't navigate life at all without negotiating with demons, the sin is to worship one even if we don't realize we're doing that.

[Anonymous No.23312396]

>>23312289
St. Anthony the Great never succumbed to the demons, not even once. He was like St. John the Baptist. A rational man of Spiritual perfection.

[Anonymous No.23312427]

>>23310090
Is there any edition or did some autistic anon fix the punctuation and quotations of his works?

[Anonymous No.23312635]

>>23312427
It’s not supposed to be fixed.

[Anonymous No.23313393]

>>23312635
But i want it to be

[Anonymous No.23313476]

>>23311476
Goethe considered himself non-Christian because he was a utopian liberal but his sentiments were obviously Christian and Shakespeare was probably a Catholic.

[Anonymous No.23313490]

Nietzsche was right about you christian cucks