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If there is no objective morality, then is everything permitted?

>> No.23307755

Maybe in Somalia

>> No.23307760

What if I turn your dick into a penis? What then? WWYD? Question for the ages, this.

What could be permitted if there was no reality of the forbidden?

>> No.23307761

>>23307713
best goal keeper will tell you that is scary as fuck

>> No.23307764

>>23307713
If hypothetically it was proven there were no objective morality, there would still be subjective morality. The only way to get rid of it would be the collapse of civilization or a mass changing of minds

>> No.23307769

>>23307764
i mean, what three things did you say or the more attractive one

>> No.23307777

>>23307713
Everything is true, nothing is permitted.

>> No.23307799

>>23307713
Even the use of the phrase permitted implies the existence of a permitter. Everything simply is.

>> No.23307804

>>23307777
Witnessed

>> No.23307805

>>23307713
why don't you put your ideas into practice and find out?

>> No.23307807

>>23307713
>those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

>> No.23307819

>>23307713
if

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>>23307777
holy fucking based; the god of digits smiled upon him because he spoke the truth. Everything you say or think or do has the potential to be wrong depending on the specific circumstances of your time & location. There exists no easy-mode autopilot one true path to follow

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>>23307805

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>>23307917
Raskolnikov's thesis wasnt factually incorrect tho, he was just mistaken in his arrogant assumption that *he himself* was a morality-shattering world-moving ubermensch destined for greatness

>> No.23308131

>>23307917
LOL

>> No.23308225

>>23307915
welcome to /lit/ tiktoker

>> No.23308228

It would take an absurd amount of trite nonsense?

>> No.23308234

>>23307713
the original quote is that without GOD everything is permitted, although for practical purposes it makes little difference since there can be no objective morality without God. fortunately we will never have to find out since there is in fact a God who has provided us with an objective set of morals. why even ask?

>> No.23308236

Only certain things are good for you, therefore there are ethical guidelines. Its not objective, but it's not idle choice either

>> No.23308244

If nothing is permitted, then absolute objective morality exists?

>> No.23308249

Watch Jordan Peterson's maps of meaning lectures starting with his TVO series
Look up JP TVO
Then watch the 2017 personality series then the maps series then his biblical series

>> No.23308665

There is an objective morality, "suffering is bad" is one of the more obvious moral facts out there, and you can derive a lot of things for it.

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>>23308665
>There is an objective morality, "suffering is bad"
false
>>23308225
thanks nigger faggot

>> No.23308755

>>23307713
Sin is Lawlessness.

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>>23307777
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljj32-Tg2n8

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>>23307713
>needs permission

>> No.23309049

>>23308665
My suffering is undesirable. "suffering is bad" is a much more flaky and debatable statement.
You could argue suffering is just, if it happens to people who deserve it. A lot of traditional morality is rooted in that concept. You fuck around, and you got to hell, or get reincarnated as a cripple or something.

>> No.23309115

>>23307713
Never understood that line of thinking. It's akin to saying if I was allowed to kill anyone I've ever wanted then I would rather kill myself

>> No.23309128

> (P1) There is no such a thing as a objective moral
> (K) Everything is permitted.

I do not see how this is a logical inference.

Is "permitting" not a category of moral?

>> No.23309238

>>23307713
Try it and see what happens.

>> No.23309308

force a bee colony to apply our moral code and see how they survive

morality can't be objective.

>> No.23309313

>>23308249
No