Having a big family is one of the most beautiful things a man can have

[Anonymous No.23298911]

A big family, a beautiful and loving wife, a small house in the countryside and a library full of classics. That's all you need to be truly happy.

[sage No.23298920]

retard alert

[Anonymous No.23298959]

and yet only a very small part of the world's population can achieve it. Good luck finding a "beautiful and loving" woman who doesn't turn into a neurotic sick of housework after 7 years of marriage or less. Truly a fucking roulette

[Anonymous No.23298978]

>>23298911
If only that was possible for me

[Anonymous No.23299007]

>>23298978
Never give up, brother. You will still find the one for you.

[Anonymous No.23299437]

Hate these posts where it's OFFTOPIC GIBBERISH (books) OFFTOPIC GIBBERISH

[Anonymous No.23299760]

Amen. Get a wife. Get some land. Grow food, raise animals. Make a dozen babies. If you achieve this then you will die a very happy and fulfilled man.

[Anonymous No.23299772]

Ever since having a kid I've only been more miserable. This new trad family trend are from single people with no kids who have no clue of the mental toll it takes

[Anonymous No.23299794]

>>23298911
Tell that to my father who got used for his money and military pension by his mother and sisters, had unresolved childhood trauma due to which my mother divorced him and I disowned him, after making attempts to remedy that.

[Anonymous No.23299804]

>>23298959
>roulette
that's cause you're shit at discerning horrible traits you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.23299813]

>>23298911
how the fuck is this /lit/? all that this is going to acomplish is a gender war bullshit, won't be surprised if i see the words
>incel
>chud
>./pol/
>libtard
>moralfag
over and over again you simple morons. Can we not.

[Anonymous No.23299814]

Literature?

[Anonymous No.23299815]

>>23299772
A fetishization and idealizing of a thing that never was, that only exists in the fascist neverland.

[Anonymous No.23299869]

>>23299815
>that never was
Are you retarded?

Also that man's life has only "gotten more miserable" because he is a feminist and lives in a matriarchal marriage. God set up marriage to be patriarchal. The woman is to do the housework and change the nappies. Probably he doesn't have the balls to put his woman in her place so he has to wake up at 3am to change the nappies and breastfeed even though it's her job. So he's "miserable". Go figure.

[Anonymous No.23299874]

Tradwifebros...we lost.

[Anonymous No.23299875]

>>23299874
kek'd.

[Anonymous No.23299880]

>>23299869
Read Barthes, retard.

[Anonymous No.23299882]

>>23299880
why

[Anonymous No.23299885]

>>23299874
guy is weird af for doing this, she's justified in leaving the creep

[Anonymous No.23299891]

>>23299882
Read Mythologies and you will understand.

[Anonymous No.23299893]

>>23299891
worst salesman ever. i want to read it but you havent explained why i should and how it relates to what i said

[Anonymous No.23299895]

>>23299893
I do not care to, but you are a retard nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.23299898]

>>23299815
>>23299869
>having a family is a trend
>having a family is a fetish
wtf lol? are these retards or shills?
people have been doing this for thousands of years. and sex for the purpose of building a family is the opposite of fetish you fucking moron. making a family its what humans are meant to do. and doing what you're meant to do is what leads to happiness.

being a single loser or a no kids couple is the new modern trend that is being pushed. this leads to emptiness, meaninglessness and misery, just like many of the other things that are getting pushed.

[Anonymous No.23299899]

>>23299895
>Mythologies is a 1957 book by Roland Barthes. It is a collection of essays first published from 1954 to 1956 in the French literary review Les Lettres nouvelles, examining the tendency of contemporary social value systems to create modern myths
Oh, nvm, he's gonna say fertility rate statistics are "mythology" kek

[Anonymous No.23299903]

>>23299898
meant to reply to this >>23299772

[Anonymous No.23299908]

Well I'll never have that, as much as I truly want it. I have to either cope with knowing that or let it destroy me for the rest of my life. There are probably quite a few people like me, who will always have that emptiness from this unfulfilled want. What do you recommend we do?

[Anonymous No.23299909]

>>23299874
>>23299885
He sounds like a typical anon throwing everything away for internet clout.

[Anonymous No.23299937]

>>23298959
So what? Stop expecting to have what your granddaddy had and this becomes an easier issue to grapple with. Get the best you can have. If a divorce 15 years down the road is enough to have you refrain from the joy of having children, then your head just isn’t screwed on straight.

[Anonymous No.23299951]

>>23298911
Oh yeah? Give it to me then cunt!

[Anonymous No.23300029]

>>23299772
I'll pray for you. Becoming a father was the greatest thing to ever happen to me.

[Anonymous No.23300068]

>>23299898
the #tradwife, return to traditional family thing is definitely a trend. go on instagram and the like and see, and it's always posted by single men with no kids.

[Anonymous No.23300090]

>>23300068
We live in a feminist culture. Feminism is the most destructive ideology to family and healthy living. It is destructive both to men and to women. It a society wide dysphoria. And now you are against people who are trying to resist it and go back to patriarchal lifestyle? It’s not just a “trend” either it’s popular amongst devout Christians who want to live as they believe God desired.

[Anonymous No.23300104]

>>23300090
christianity is also trending (dark age edits, BAYZED grifters) This doesnt invalidate christianity though, but it is trending. Feminism is dying and good thing it is

[Anonymous No.23300166]

>>23298911
>a small house in the countryside
Land alone for this will cost you a few hundred thousand if you want to be on the grid and have electricity and access to public roads. Building the "small" home around $300-$500k depending on you definition of small. Could push $1 million once everything is said and done. I went to school out in the sticks and knew tons of Christian families with farms and pastures, and yeah about half of their daughters were the HS sluts sleeping around with everyone. Many got pregnant while ins High School.

I'm a Christian and I believe in the sanctity of marraige and the gratification raising a family can bring, but I hate this trad bullshit fantasy. Makes Christianity look ridiculous and like a meme. Environment doesn't count for much in the end, all that counts is obedience to Christ.

[Anonymous No.23300173]

>>23299869
>God set up marriage to be patriarchal
He set it up to be a co-union. That will be realized in different ways depending on the family. There is no 'one way' to run a family. Generally speaking the man will have final say on most matters, however.

[Anonymous No.23300180]

I am happily married to a loving wife, just had our first kid and we plan on having as many as God gives us (we're shooting for 12 and have sex constantly). We live in the woods, haven't watched a TV in months, and read all the time.

The key was breaking off contact with my abusive family. My parents were abusive, and then I lived with other relatives, who were neglectful. I brought these things up to them in my early twenties, and they gaslighted me about it, refused to apologize, told me they "did the best they could" (an obvious lie) and that they loved me (after proving the opposite many, many times). Luckily I had talked to my brothers about it beforehand and they backed me up (not in the conversation, they weren't there, but they confirmed to me that all of those terrible things did in fact happen). The rest of my family instantly wanted nothing to do with me. They were furious at me for even bringing it up. I told them I didn't want to hear from them unless it was an apology.

Before that I had a crippling porn addiction, had never been on a date, was 300 lbs, etc. After that I kicked the porn addiction (haven't viewed any in years) lost the weight (turns out I look good under the fat, who knew?), and within a few years I found my wife. I also finally got a good job, bought a house, etc.

My family wasn't invited to my wedding, other than my siblings. They have never met my son. Neither of these things were enough for them to try to change or rectify things in any way. They will never change.

You can never have a successful family while being underneath the influence of an abusive one. Your close relationships can only be as good as your worst one. (To be clear, talking about close relationships, not work colleagues or something).

If you want a family, the most important question is always "Is this good for my future children?" Should you date the art hoe? Well, would she be a good mom for your children? Should you keep your parents around? Well, would they be a good influence on your children? And so on.

If you aren't evil, and your parents are, it will fall part eventually anyway, or they will drag you down to their level. I see it all the time. Someone abused their kids, those kids have kids of their own, they treat them WAY better , and have to confront the fact that their parents COULD have actually parented them, and chose not to. Unfortunately, many would rather start abusing their own kids than face this fact, and so the cycle continues.

Do you want a relationship that lasts? Stand up to evil, even if it turns out you're surrounded by evil people. I can assure you that if I hadn't done that, I would still be a fat lonely coomer.

End of blog post.

[Anonymous No.23300199]

>>23298911
Happiness is money, a private island and 3 lovely sex crazed young nymphs.

[Anonymous No.23300206]

>>23300090
>people who are trying to resist it and go back to patriarchal lifestyle
are they or is this kony 2012 for tradzooms?

[Anonymous No.23300258]

>>23300173
No he didn't. God set up marriage and society to be a patriarchy, plain and simple.

Book of Kings
>And Asa did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, as did David his father: he drove the effeminate out of the land.
St. Paul
>Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church.
>But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God.
>Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.
>For the man was not created for the woman: but the woman for the man.
St. Thomas
>Woman is naturally subject to man, because in man the discretion of reason predominates.
Council of Trent
>The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband's consent.
Pope Piux XI
>this false liberty and unnatural equality with the husband is to the detriment of the woman herself…
>We lament, too, the destruction of purity among women and young girls as is evidenced by the increasing immodesty of their dress and conversation and by their participation in shameful dances.
>We recall that a dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knee. Furthermore, dresses of transparent material are improper. Let parents keep their daughters away from public gymnastic games and contests; but, if their daughters are compelled to attend such exhibitions, let them see to it that they are fully and modestly dressed. Let them never permit their daughters to don immodest garb.

[Anonymous No.23300262]

>>23300206
Kony 2012 was hysteria over some foreign tragedy in a far away land. Feminism affects us all in our day to day lives, how we live together, how we conceive of ourselves, what future we're building.

[Anonymous No.23300264]

Having children is stupid, useless, egoistical and even evil

[Anonymous No.23300352]

>>23300262
ok i was right, this entirely a delusional performance, you aren't "doing anything" except arguing with people; you're not married, you haven't placed talibanesque or chabad-tier restrictions on the women of your household, let alone your community, since you have neither
>>23300258
your religion has died among the people you are evangelizing to, no western woman is going to mate with you because of your professing of Hasidic and Afghan family values

[Anonymous No.23300375]

>>23300352
>Hasidic and Afghan family values
???
They're the family values of the Catholic Church. Women are more likely to be religious than men. And yes, I do have a girlfriend whom I will soon marry, who agrees with me on the importance of domestic patriarchy.

[Anonymous No.23300379]

>>23300264
Unless you're jewish

[Anonymous No.23300380]

>>23298959
only a few people are worth saving. the rest of us can go to hell.

[Anonymous No.23300381]

>>23298911
>Having a big family is one of the most beautiful things a man can have
this is what autists raised by single mothers think

[Anonymous No.23300384]

>>23300375
lol

[Anonymous No.23300387]

>>23299898
That guy's nipples are huge

[Anonymous No.23300395]

>>23300375
>They're the family values of the Catholic Church.
They are not. They are the values of the BIPOC who make up the non-Western portions of the Catholic Church, much like the Hasidim and the Afghans. Your "girlfriend" is the product of a degenerate social institution—dating—and you have no legal or communal framework to bind her to you, only at-will marriage licensing for tax purposes.

[Anonymous No.23300447]

>>23300395
>They are the values of the BIPOC who make up the non-Western portions of the Catholic Church, much like the Hasidim and the Afghans.
???
I quoted Saint Paul (literally an author of Scripture), St. Thomas (an Italian monk-philosopher), Catechism of the Council of Trent (European Church council), and Pope Pius XI (an Italian nobleman).
>you have no legal or communal framework to bind her to you
We're Catholics. We love each other. We love God. Are you opposed to Holy Matrimony?

[Anonymous No.23300567]

>>23300447
Your beliefs are weightless in the absence of social or communal pressure. Your very election to believe what you wish, date who you wish, etc. are all products of our permissive culture, rejected by genuinely and actively anti-feminist cultural groups

[Anonymous No.23300886]

>>23300567
Ok, I reject it too. What is your point? It seems you’re raging because I’m doing my best to live rightly by the law of God. Im not perfect, society isn’t perfect, I work with what I have.

[Anonymous No.23301017]

>>23300886
I am suspicious of your internet-radicalized worldview being sustainable for you and your gf/wife, who can defect back to majoritarian secular normalcy whenever she gets tired of living with a larping cultist. Ever hear the ballad of Matt Parrott and Matt Heimbach or is that before your time? Afghan and Hasid women have a harder time doing that because they are unpersoned if they divorce their men. Your ex wife on the other hand will be a heroic victim for saving her children from their hatefather and his weird internet friends

[Anonymous No.23301182]

>>23301017
Internet radicalised worldview… yeah Pope Pius XI was just a raging 4channer. All you’re doing is trying to make me afraid because of anti-patriarchal laws in the West. Yes those laws are bad but the first thing is moral integrity and watching against the intrusion of vice.

[Anonymous No.23301200]

How in the Christmas crinkle fuck can you afford one in this economy? Like nigger can pop kids out like nothing cause by 14 they’re on the street doing hoodrat shit but if you want to raise a kid right it’s like $80,000 without even considering college or accidents

[Anonymous No.23301224]

>>23301182
>Pope Pius XI
No one cares, certainly not your inevitably irritated future wife who has no social pressure to stay married to an autistic armchair theologian when she can go out-earn you in a city
>watching against the intrusion of vice
Vice is emperor and autocrat of all the nations of the developed world. I am not going to repeat myself further. Your personally held ideological beliefs have zero social weight or pressure and cannot even begin to mitigate the incentives your wife has to jump ship from your micro-taliban household, because that's all it is, you citing dead theologians to someone with a pornphone in her pocket. Catholics are not encouraged to live like Hasids, Afghans, Amish, etc. They are encouraged to vote for Joe Biden

[Anonymous No.23301320]

>>23301224
I have a suspicion you’re just a feminist. You keep bringing up the Tabliban as if they’re the only example of a patriarchal society. As I showed you with numerous quotes, patriarchy in the household and in society is a traditional Catholic European value, not a uniquely Afghan one. It can be justified from reason, from science, from intuition, from Scripture, from Tradition, and from the consensus of authorities such as the theologians and Popes.

You keep trying to scare me that my wife will run away. This presupposes that patriarchy is bad for women, and something they would want to escape from. Once again this shows you’re a feminist. Christian patriarchy affords a dignified position to the woman, and does not reduce her to the level of a slave or animal. There is no greater love among human beings than that found in matrimony and the family.

Yes, it is bad that feminist laws have made the security of marriage questionable in the modern day. I do not believe divorce, premarital sex, and the like ought to be legal. However, that will not discourage me from marrying. I trust that God has the power to imbue strength, grace, and understanding within the human heart — be it male or female — that allows it to triumph over vice.

[Anonymous No.23301332]

>>23298911
>all you need to be happy is *insert completely unrealistic thing that never happens

yeah... sure...

[Anonymous No.23301439]

>>23301320
>patriarchy in the household and in society is a traditional Catholic European value
that's been gone for like 4 generations, in fact the only people practicing what you preach in Europe are Muslims and that heavy metal guy living on welfare in rural France
>Christian patriarchy affords a dignified position to the woman
this again is totally theoretical on your part, you having an ideology, a personal belief and not a communal or social fact for western women, and it has to compete with a more liberal and consumption oriented lifestyle, which you and her were born and raised in, which is broadly incentivized and supported unlike play-pretend integralism
>feminist laws have made the security of marriage questionable in the modern day
questionable? they've abolished it, surely I don't need to pull the stats

[Anonymous No.23301476]

>>23301200
>$80,000 to raise a kid for 18 years
It's closer to half a million

[Anonymous No.23301478]

Books?

[Anonymous No.23301490]

>>23301478
Check out Houellebecq

[Anonymous No.23301526]

>>23301439
I really don’t care about what’s been gone for generations. I am a traditionalist and am thoroughly resolved to renounce all modern ideas. I’m interested in the objective Good, which is eternal and comes from the Creator. I have spoken to my wife-to-be and have laid out my expectations and she has agreed with me in full. She knows I am a man of honour and not a petty tyrant. She knows I will do all that is in my power to secure a decent income and allow her to be a stay at home mother. We have no friends outside of each other. We are both virgins. In the event that my marriage fails and she leaves me, I will resignedly say: God’s will be done. Though I would wish for the abolition of feminist laws and culture, I firmly believe in the power of marital devotion. And even if Love fades, Duty will remain. All a man can do is submit himself to the will of God and try to live an upright life. Whatever evils I must suffer will be synthesised eventually into a greater good, the greater harmony that will be made clear when we gaze directly upon the divine essence, comprehending His world-historical symphony, seeing our lives as a minuscule part of it, weeping at the absolute beauty of the resolution of all things, the purity and rightness of it all in retrospect. Then the reason for all my afflictions will be made clear to me. But for now I can only stick to what has been given to me, by reason, by revelation, by tradition, by moral intuition.

[Anonymous No.23301551]

>>23301526
>I will do all that is in my power to secure a decent income
Whenever she feels like it, she can go out-earn you. It sounds like that won't be very hard either. You said you have no friends? So you are unemployed yes? Nobody is coming to this wedding either?

[Anonymous No.23301795]

In public, an ostensible progressive radical who promulgates extreme anti-family liberal social policies. In private, a traditional family man and bulwark of raging patriarchal conservatism.

Leftism for thee, but not for me!

[Anonymous No.23301797]

>>23301795
pic

[Anonymous No.23301835]

>>23298911
I give no quarter to Feminism.

Whatever illusory benefits women have accrued in terms of "rights" and "wealth" cannot be compared with the suffering of men, children, families, and even women themselves.

It is beyond time to rip the facade off this lie that it's about women's "liberation" and show this cosmic human tragedy for what it is: juvenile revolt and civilizational brinksmanship.

Because one sex seems prepared to abandon the civilizational project entirely for its own self-interest.

I'll give you a hint: it isn't men.

I will be sharing much more in the months to come. I don't care if I have to hurt every feeling in the galaxy to do it.

I'd like members of the "empathetic sex" who disagree with me to look at this video of living children in the context of 65 million aborted babies. Then tell me it was worth it, so women could ascend the steps of power, tracking blood up the entire way.

[Anonymous No.23301918]

>>23301835
>I give no quarter to Feminism.
cool blog, you really showed those ugandan warlords they can't get away with being powerful

[Anonymous No.23301955]

>>23299815
What are you talking about? People being married? Women being stay at home moms? Men working outside the home?

and even then, you do know that the actual irl fascists were pretty on board with women having a role in modern society outside of the home right? (Even the Romans thought this; the Greeks only locked their women up because they believed that they were all whores and unable to control themselves otherwise). Granted that they preferred them to be at home raising the kids, but they weren't getting apoleptic and seething if they saw a women in a professional role.

>>23299874
Not real and even then irrelevant.

>>23299937
>both grandfather had multi-decade long marriages that only ended with one of the spouses dying of old age
Despite your blackpilling, this is still possible, and is in fact the goal.

>>23300180
Better for /adv/ (like this thread), but this is a good post. Thank you anon.

>>23300264
Begone antinatalist. The world is beautiful, and life beckons to you.>>23301795

>>23301797
Remember reading somewhere that his elder son was exhibiting signs of rightist tendencies. If true, based in a Nietzschean, world-historical way.

[Anonymous No.23301971]

>>23301955
>exhibiting signs of rightist tendencies
What does that mean for a Californian? He isn't transitioning? He thinks the police should clear homeless encampments when they make national headlines?

[Anonymous No.23302160]

>>23300180
>>23298911
i'm old af and never getting rid of stupid family and favela tier living in a city that's getting more and more crowded
guess my instincts are right to not get married

[Anonymous No.23302163]

>>23301200
in the film they're home schooled then the tall dude gets full scholarship to some ive league college

[Anonymous No.23302565]

>>23299772
Same thing happened with the Romans. The consuls who proposed pro-marriage and pro-fertility laws were ironically unmarried and childless themselves lol

[Anonymous No.23302573]

>>23298959
Just get out of the city dude.

[Anonymous No.23302608]

Are there any books on being unable to be a man because you were born with garbage genetics and chronic diseases that bind you for life to this horrible prosumer life of cattle when you'd actually want to live off manual labor in the land and die in a war?

[Anonymous No.23302615]

>>23298959
>>23298911
>>23299937
you people only believe this ever existed because you have consumed stories through media more than talking with actual people. Marriage exists with the sole purpose of raising children and then being taken care of by them once you are old. It forces man and woman together into a sacrifice of their individual needs and freedom in function of their children, and being "happy" in a marriage was never a priority - this only exists in (bad) fiction. But if instead of consooming (bad) fiction all the time you actually spoke to your parents, your grandparents, your aunts and uncles and their friends, you will find very few of them who where happy with their relationships - and so on if you go up to previous generations. It's shit and it's supposed to be shit (for you: for society is maybe in the long term good if you keep producing other humans).
If you look at history as a long wave, the fact that a species that has only existed for about 300.000 years is now re-thinking the way its familial relationships are to be lived or thought (in the last, I'd say 3/4000 years we have done this) could be seen as a sign that we are actually meant to build different kinds of familial relationships than that of most animals (we already do). The average life span of a species is 4.000.000 years so there's plenty of time for improvement for humans. But it's really stupid to think that fiction invented in the last centuries speaking about being married with children would accurately describe how your species should behave. We have barely begun questioning what it means for us to be happy. It requires time: take your life as an experimental attempt to find that out and try to invent your own way to have happy relationship, which is what you should do as an individual member of your species, rather than attaching yourself to models whose efficacy is all but proven.

[Anonymous No.23302618]

>>23302615
Read Flaubert for this btw, Salambò and Madame Bovary are perfect proof that love is something that we have yet to invent. We make attempts at it and fail - as individuals, as societies, as a species. But there is something to be invented maybe, and life is about making this attempt

[Anonymous No.23302625]

>>23302615
>But if instead of consooming (bad) fiction all the time you actually spoke to your parents, your grandparents, your aunts and uncles and their friends, you will find very few of them who where happy with their relationships
Bromy mother grew up in absolute dirt poverty in a rural village in Europe and when she speaks of her youth and her father especially I always feel like something precious has been lost forever to the new generations. Yes I also heard unhappy stories in the same context but this kind of life is literally impossible now.

[Anonymous No.23302655]

>>23302615
>We have barely begun questioning what it means for us to be happy
Holy fucking goy slave
People are ruled by propaganda, technology is the ruin of humanity