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How good is he? What's your favourite dialogue? Was he wrong? Was he right? What's the best reading order?

>> No.23297884

>>23296574
he had neat ideas like the theory of forms but he like all philosophers was wrong about some stuff
I made this reading order for myself from what I have read so far of Plato
Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phadeo
Protagoras, Alcibiades, Charmides, Republic, Laches, Lysis, Symposium, Meno, Theaetetus

>> No.23298127

>>23296574
First i read the Castell "An Introduction To modern Philosophy," then started Plato with the Jowett translation of Republic with footnotes. From there I read trial and death and his earlier dialogues.
> What's your favourite dialogue?
I really like the trial and death, particularly Euthyphro, Apology, and Phaedo. Ion was very good and short, too; probably a good place to start so you can get one dialogue under your belt.

>> No.23298130

>>23297884
Tranny read order. This is what's wrong with modern education.

>> No.23298134

>>23298130
Well, what order meets your approval, tough guy?

>> No.23298203

>>23296574
Since there's a plato thread now..
What are the best translations of his work into english?

>> No.23298208

I read several dialogs and hated them. So I dropped him.

>> No.23299510

>>23298208
Filtered

>> No.23300551

>>23298134
well obviously you start with the trial of socrates, Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phadeo, then move onto the other dialogues such as Protagoras, Alcibiades, Charmides, Republic, Laches, Lysis, Symposium, Meno, Theaetetus

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Does Plato ever prove the existence of the soul? In many of his dialogues the soul is just assumed to exist and is the basis for many arguments

>> No.23300787

>>23296574
My favorite is Symposium. I'm rereading it now and it's really interesting to see how the different speeches build off of one another.

>> No.23300799

>>23298134
This read order is not rigid, but it's important to get it in roughly this order. For Plato's idealism, one will have to read things like Parmenides and Philebus before the Republic. It is possible to skip and still understand his philosophy overall.
>Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo
Then,
>Alcibiades, Meno, Gorgias, Symposium, Phaedrus
Then,
>Protagoras, Euthydemus, Theaetetus, Sophist, Menexenus, Statesman
Then,
>The Republic and re-read Stateman if your memory is poor.
Then,
>Laws.
The Laws are essential for Plato, because Plato saw Politics as an extension of Philosophy, inseparable and equally important. Almost all of his works lead up to the Laws.
Besides, it's kind of insane that you suggested Laches, Charmides, and Lysis without also suggesting Parmenides and Philebus. Definite transgender individual.

>> No.23301016

>>23297884
>Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phadeo
I don't know if you're aware but this is literally the exact order of the first volume of Loeb's collection of Plato. It also has Phaedrus at the end of the volume but it tries to go through the "story" dialogues of Socrates first.