What an incredible trifecta of sustained prose fireworks.

[Anonymous No.23268589]

If you read English, read these!

[Anonymous No.23268594]

>>23268589
Dickens bores me. I would struggle to finish a single work by Dickens, let alone three.

[Anonymous No.23268602]

>>23268589
>if you read English
No, I only read books in languages I don't understand :D

[Anonymous No.23268657]

Does Dickens' works translate well to other languages? Are his books most some criticism to Victorian England problems (poverty, corruption etc.)?

[Anonymous No.23268665]

>>23268657
Poverty and corruption are problems every generation faces, so I would guess his works are still relatable.

[sage No.23268704]

>>23268594
Cool. Blogpost elsewhere, nigger

[Anonymous No.23268736]

>>23268704
>starts a thread
>can't handle people not liking the books he recommends
You're too young to be here, kid, and posting edgy racisms doesn't hide your hurt feelings.

[Anonymous No.23269075]

>>23268589
completely new to literature..is Dickens good? and if so, how come this board never talks about him, its usually pynchon, joyce, McCarthy or Wallace

[Anonymous No.23269083]

>>23268736
That's not OP

[Anonymous No.23269089]

>>23269075
Yes, he's good.
This board has a lot of blind spots.

[Anonymous No.23269112]

>>23269089
>blind spots
such as? genuinely curious, this year i want to read Nabokov cause this board seriously wont shut up about him, tolstoy, Dostoevsky, pushkin,(just generally curious about russian culture, history etc) but curious to know other authors that dont get much love on this board.

[Anonymous No.23269140]

>>23268589
How could you leave out David Copperfield?

[Anonymous No.23269153]

>>23269112
Döblin and his Berlin Alexanderplatz is great but not really mentioned much.
Melville's novels that are not Moby-Dick. Pierre is fantastic and Confidence-Man is really good. I heard good things about Clarel too, but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

[Anonymous No.23269156]

don't know if i'm ready for a triple dickens

[Anonymous No.23269278]

A bit off-topic but how does one improve their lexicon and to articulate eloquently. I also believe my grammar is atrocious, the only books ive read in my life are Dune, dune messiah, and aristotle's works such as Categories and On interpretation. Wondering if i should focus more on literature like Dickens and shakespeare because as much as Dune was nice, im not really into genre fiction

[Anonymous No.23269302]

>>23268589
I just bought these 3 based off this post.
I hope you haven’t screwed me.

[Anonymous No.23269311]

>>23269075
>how come this board never talks about him, its usually pynchon, joyce, McCarthy or Wallace
This board is ~90% Americans below the age of 30. You can't expect to get a balanced survey of all literature here.

[Anonymous No.23269345]

>>23269278
i don't think antiquated and ancient english literature are the best places to start on your grammar journey.
i think fight club is a good starting point. blends genre and litfic, a lot of fun, great pacing... contemporary.

[Anonymous No.23269353]

>>23269311
This

[Anonymous No.23269361]

Official Dickens power rankings:
>Top tier comfy af
Pickwick Papers
David Copperfield
Bleak House
Little Dorrit
Tale of Two Cities
Great Expectations
Our Mutual Friend
>Not quite getting it right
Barnaby Rudge
Dombey and Son
Nicholas Nickelby
Edwin Drood
>Easy on the sentimentality Charles
Oliver Twist
Hard Times
The Old Curiosity Shop
Christmas stories
>stop shamelessly chasing the American market Charles
Martin Chuzzlewit

[Anonymous No.23269364]

>>23269311
Are you kidding? There's mostly ESLs here—just like all the boards. That's why /lit/ is so terrible now. That's also why there's constant anti-American seethe ((just like (You)rs)).

[Anonymous No.23269370]

Dickens Vs Tolstoy. Give your takes. Tolstoy wins forever.

[Anonymous No.23269373]

>>23269370
Dickens has more good books than Tolstoy. And, when you think about it, Dickens is much less sappy and sentimental.
Apples and oranges though. Like comparing Haydn to Beethoven. One is trying only to entertain you rather than aiming at moral philosophy

[Anonymous No.23269481]

>>23269345
fair enough

[Anonymous No.23269563]

>>23269364
is it more ESLs or mainly American Zoomers, or a mixture of both? If so, are there any other boards or website that are dedicated to a more 'balanced' survey of literature?

[Anonymous No.23269564]

>>23268589
Max Lawton's hand...all of you got jebaited by OP

[Anonymous No.23269577]

>>23268589
Is this anti white? I started reading with >>23269373 Tolstoy's W&P and fell in love with it, then I read a lot more euro lit from 18th and 19th century before coming to the abysmal and white-hating Moby Dick. As an American, I'm convinced that from our country's inception we've been a liberal nigger loving hellscape and so I've purposely strayed from all American lit. English lit too to be safe, France is my beloved homeland now which I visit nightly in the works of Balzac, Rousseau, Stendahl, etc. I fell so deeply in love with the story of Napoleon that I'm learning French, so that I may read some of his untranslated writings. Anyways, if you can name one single classical American author who's pro white, I'll gladly read him. May do my psyche good since I'm stuck living here by virtue of having many children with different women who I can't convince to come with nor would I particularly want to. I always envision me ending up as a Colonel Kurtz if I can't survive here but more predicated on having lots of phillipean wives in a village and tons of kids

[Anonymous No.23269596]

>>23269577
..what?

[Anonymous No.23269631]

>>23269596
I'm sorry I rambled on too much, I'm just wondering if Dickens is anti-white, since many American authors I've encountered are

[Anonymous No.23269761]

>>23269631
no he isn't, stop consuming american politics for atleast one week dude, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.23269769]

>>23269761
Please do not take The Lord's name in vain

[Anonymous No.23269795]

>>23269577
Meds, now.

[Anonymous No.23269796]

>>23269278
Get off smelly liberal websites like 4chan and whatever your gaming buddies are. On this website you are under the influence of bums and losers pretending to be patrician, and can become just like us at best.

[Anonymous No.23269799]

>>23269563
idk but zoomers are a lot more detrimental to this board than ESLs imo. At the ESLs do actually read the books(though usually poorly of course)

[Anonymous No.23269945]

>>23269769
as a devout platonist, i apologise to the One, just really tired of politics..its cancer.

[Anonymous No.23269948]

>>23269945
It's not about modern politics. I cite Moby Dick, an American classic, as being explicitly anti-white

[Anonymous No.23269975]

>>23269948
Okay give us an example why you say he is anti-white?

[Anonymous No.23269993]

>>23268704
Ebin racism bro. You sure show all those DEI, libcucks by posting a word you'd never dare to say in public anonymously online. Such strength and courage, such free thinking. Praise Blump! Praise Kek! Two more weeks fellow Pede!

[Anonymous No.23270000]

>>23269993
dumb tourist

[Anonymous No.23270006]

>>23269631
>Dickens
>American author

Then again, what are we to expect from butthurt racists who write shit like >>23269577. Stick to watching Tucker, he is more your speed.

[Anonymous No.23270030]

>>23268736
Not my thread, genius

[Anonymous No.23270039]

>>23269993
>unironic chudjack
>Blump
>Pede
I‘m glad you can’t delete your replies on this site because this is a perfect specimen of normie cringe

[Anonymous No.23270055]

>>23270006
Liberals literally can't help but battle and insult an imaginary version of non-liberals who watch Fox and are le racist
Touch grass or I'll call you a N I G G E R

[Anonymous No.23270091]

>>23269993
>>23270006
>>23270055
This is why i said politics is cancer >>23269948
as soon as you mentioned 'anti-white' in comes all the direction-brained idiots. You played yourself, you buffoon.

[Anonymous No.23270099]

>>23270039
>I‘m glad you can’t delete your replies on this site
Anon...

[Anonymous No.23270113]

>>23269577
>Is.. Is this anti white?

[Anonymous No.23270201]

>>23270055
Based. You really showed him fellow Pede. Wait until November when the Boog starts and we get to throw them all in camps. Based.

I know it's hard to resist shooting up a day care or Walmart before then, but hold out for the Boog and trust the plan fren. Then it will be we who are the Chad alphas, and all the GFs will be ours.

Based Trump will deliver us like Based Putin did for the trad Russians and Based Assad did. They are so heckin strong and based, I just want their strong arms around me making me feel safe and strong. So heckin based.

If only the world didn't hate white people like us so much. We just wanted to play vidya but now billions must die!

Tucker knows. He's a knower. Just like based MTG and based Gaetz. Everyone else worships moloch!

[Anonymous No.23270257]

>>23270201
Shutup you gay faggot

[Anonymous No.23270283]

>>23270201
>>23270257
both of you shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.23270288]

>>23270283
Now you shutup bitch

[Anonymous No.23270377]

>>23268589
Why are you taking a photo like a woman?

[Anonymous No.23270381]

>>23270377
the face is not in the frame, thus, not a womanly photo

[Anonymous No.23270383]

>>23270377
Is there something whorish and dumb about the picture anon?

[Anonymous No.23270388]

>>23270381
Putting your feeble arm in the photo is peak womanly behavior, you low T dimwit.

[Anonymous No.23270391]

>>23270388
It's not my photo, you smelly freak. And no, women love to put their faces in their photos, not their arms lol

[Anonymous No.23270396]

>>23270391
Uhhhh huh, whatever you say, you effeminate homosexual

[Anonymous No.23270399]

>>23270396

[Anonymous No.23270401]

>>23270399
>Allow me to introduce maself
>Yes my name be Onini Niggeronni

[Anonymous No.23270404]

>>23270399
>I AM NOT A WOMAN I SWEAR I AM MASCULINE

[Anonymous No.23270407]

>>23270396
>>23270399
Alright, alright. You win. But I've seen men doing that as well, so I don't think it's exclusive to women.

[Anonymous No.23270408]

>>23270401
Kek

[Anonymous No.23270412]

>>23270404
>>23270408
I yield. I give up. Please stop posting this garbage.

[Anonymous No.23270442]

>>23270408
why are the covers so soulless?

[Anonymous No.23270451]

>>23270442
Because women don't have souls

[Anonymous No.23270507]

>>23269140
My guess is that, thematically, Great Expectations is a more compact rewrite of DC, and perhaps D's greatest book. Of the 'shorter' works the three I'd choose would be Expectations, Tale, and Twist-- which almost sounds like a Bleak House law firm.
>>23268589
Both well selected and promoted, OP.

[Anonymous No.23270510]

>>23270451
neither do the men.

[Anonymous No.23270571]

>>23269361
Read Oliver Twist, chef. The book's not at all the musical. It's mean, spare, and if a character or two gives way to 'sentimentality,' the author himself does not. Also, some of the Christmas stories are proto-surreal, e.g. A Christmas Tree. But also ('Keep my memory green') The Haunted Man, perhaps my favorite of the Xmas bunch. Hard Times (you) get right, but Curiosity Shop's conclusion (despite the sentiment) feels 'reader-wise' like being pushed of a cliff, which balances matters. CS is by no means among his best, but I'm glad I read it.

[Anonymous No.23270579]

>>23270201
heck yeah my dude. I'm sick of these chuds. How many times do I need to say it... the West is NOT being intentionally destroyed. Surely our new lovely and vibrant culture is going to usher in the next literary golden age!

[Anonymous No.23270600]

>>23270579
>muh West is declining! it's the decline of le West! It's so fucking over and I didn't even have sex once!

[Anonymous No.23270641]

>>23269112
>>23269563
Try something like Saintsbury's Short History of English Literature.

[Anonymous No.23270654]

>>23270600
decline implies a slope. the West is destroyed. and it causes me unending anguish that my children and certainly future grandchildren will grow up in South Brazilakanda. Even Dickens novels considered middle brow (I love them) not 150 years ago will be unintelligible by the grand majority of our populace quite soon. The majority of zoomers don't know basic knowledge like our 1st president or their state's capital city

[Anonymous No.23270674]

>>23270654
RIDE THE TIGER

[Anonymous No.23270696]

>>23270579
Arcade bars are fun. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.23270703]

>>23270696
mmm i love ipas which of these 20 ipas should i have this time

[Anonymous No.23270704]

>>23270674
a leftist zoomer retreats into his cave of irrelevant and unoriginal satire to the surprise of nobody.

[Anonymous No.23270708]

>>23270571
Some of the set pieces in Oliver Twist are as good as writing gets. Fagin in jail, Sikes murdering Nancy, Sikes on the run with the dog - Dostoevsky dreamed of writing like that, the descriptive intensity, the psychological and moral force. The chapter where Oliver first gets lost in London and meets the Dodger is another

[Anonymous No.23270713]

>>23270704
>if you aren't le paranoid right-wing schizo who sees race in everything you're le leftist!
lol okay fag

[Anonymous No.23270743]

>>23270708
Extremely true. I really loved that whole climactic sequence.

[Anonymous No.23270745]

>>23270713
im not this >>23269577 slightly obsessed gentleman... but are you implying race doesn't matter? it matters to every other race, it mattered to your ancestors, the only ones it doesn't matter at all to are boomer conservatives. even leftists care about race displayed through a very pious and loyal system of worship of black culture. you're not a boomer conservative, race matters to you. the race you hate is being displaced in every country of their origin and you are reveling in it. You speak not at all of the undeniable destruction of Western culture, perhaps Ted Lasso is considered high culture to you. Perhaps you just think all of this is funny? You are arrogant because your ideology is victorious. Which is why all dissident opinions need to be mocked and stamped out swiftly by loyal acolytes such as yourself,

[Anonymous No.23270752]

>>23270745
>slightly obsessed
He's asking if Dickens is "anti-white" to avoid reading his work lol
>but are you implying race doesn't matter?
I'm saying seeing it in everything makes you seem insane. You might be too far gone if that's the case.

[Anonymous No.23270897]

>>23270752
>He's asking if Dickens is "anti-white" to avoid reading his work lol
I'm asking because if he isn't anti-white I'd gladly read his work.

[Anonymous No.23270908]

>>23270897
Why would he be "anti white"? Because he cared for the poor and the children? I don't get where you're coming from.

[Anonymous No.23270982]

>>23270703
IPAs are for faggots
real mean drink stouts, porters, irish reds,and modelos

[Anonymous No.23270988]

>>23270908
It's literally just a question because I'm unfamiliar with his writing and views you dumb communist faggot, it's not an accusation, it's a question

[Anonymous No.23270999]

>>23270988
Yes, he's anti white. He includes an anti white essay in every novel on how whites suck and why they should be exterminated. He's also secretly jewish and thinks whites are subhuman based on talmudic beliefs.

[Anonymous No.23271029]

>>23270999
Ok perfect, thanks for the warning, I'll skip him.

[Anonymous No.23271461]

>>23270654
I know. It's fucking over. There are literally brown people and women everywhere.

But don't lose faith, if we shoot up lots of super markets and schools, maybe the God Emperor will throw them behind the based Wall. Keep donating to Stop The Steal and it might all work out! Based!

[Anonymous No.23271480]

>>23268589
Its staggering to me how good his writing is.
Writers that approached his level of excellence like Arthur Machene, Mervyn Peake, or Chesterton usually wrote fairly short novels, and they only have 2 or 3 works that reach the height of Dickens.
Dickens wrote 15 novels and most of them were 800 pages plus in length, yet they all consistently have stunning sentences. I think its arguable that no writer in English has ever written as many beautiful sentences as Dickens.

[Anonymous No.23271484]

>>23268657
Those are really just the settings/themes. Dickens is best enjoyed as a romantic and fantasist. His social criticism was important in its time, but today it really takes a back seat to near magical realist portrayal he has of London and its inhabitants.
I'd strongly recommended reading G K Chesterton critical works on Dickens.

[Anonymous No.23271501]

I'll get 60 bucks for my birthday in a few weeks. What Dickens books should I buy with that money?

[Anonymous No.23271509]

>>23271501
Tahts really luxurious bro, just buy whatever the biggest Penguin classics one is and two suction cup dildos to stick on the front and back cover for use as ergonomic dick ends. 1

[Anonymous No.23271521]

>>23271501
Happy birthday anon

[Anonymous No.23271526]

>>23268589
It’s cliche but Dickens gives his characters life and pep in their step. Even with a few sentences he can make memorable characters. If he had average character creating ability he would have been forgotten. It’s kinda funny because the main characters in the books I’ve read were often the weakest but the side characters and villains made a world of its own

[Anonymous No.23271529]

>>23271509
Huh?
>>23271521
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.23271628]

>>23270708
Well put, anon. I actually read Oliver Twist late in the Dickens-reading game, and subsequently experienced not at all what I expected. Compared to Pickwick--which proves that a book of great sentiment can double as a great novel--it is a spare, marvelously economic work. Non-readers of Dickens here tend to characterize his writing as consistently verbose and sappy, when in fact he consistently experiments, is a high practitioner of the literary art.

[Anonymous No.23271658]

>>23270571
Chesterton on "The Old Curiosity Shop"

>Those who have written about the death of Little Nell, have generally noticed the crudities of the character itself; the little girl's unnatural and staring innocence, her constrained and awkward piety. But they have nearly all of them entirely failed to notice that there is in the death of Little Neil one quite definite and really artistic idea. It is not an artistic idea that a little child should die rhetorically on the stage like Paul Dombey; and Little Nell does not die rhetorically upon the stage like Paul Dombey. But it is an artistic idea that all the good powers and personalities in the story should set out in pursuit of one insignificant child, to repair an injustice to her, should track her from town to town over England with all the resources of wealth, intelligence, and travel, and should all -- arrive too late. All the good fairies and all the kind magicians, all the just kings and all the gallant princes, with chariots and flying dragons and armies and navies go after one little child who had strayed into a wood, and find her dead.

[Anonymous No.23271664]

We're in hell

[Anonymous No.23271796]

>>23271461
I own a genuine WWII Stahlhelm. Its former owner was named Krüger. Whoever killed Krüger bashed him in the head real good because the top of the Stahlhelm is crumpled. I would like to thank Krüger for dying and the GI who brought this piece of history back so I could own it.

[Anonymous No.23271858]

>>23271664
Yes, the black "people" (demons) are a clear giveaway

[Anonymous No.23271980]

>>23271658
The thing about CS is that right as the story opens The Curiosity Shop itself is closing down, so one spends very little time in the company of Little Nell and her family, and Dickens doesn't trace what winds up being their fruitless trek at all. Nonetheless, one can't help but get caught up in the search until, as I said, one experiences the readerly version of being shoved off of a cliff. It's particularly devastating when one realizes that the shop itself is England...etc.
On a side note, I remember hearing Mark Knopfler's song 'What It Is' on a drive home from work one evening, and the lyric 'the ghost of Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell' gave me goosebumps for somehow 'working' on me despite the fact that the one character who doesn't bother looking for Nell in the entire novel is precisely...Dirty Dick.
>in b4 whatever hoopla 'the name' excites

[Anonymous No.23273097]

>>23269302
Previous generations of 'intellectual' Brits and Americans had their minds full of Dickens; in America, from Emerson, Dickinson, and Melville on down to the generation of authors now dying out-- Pynchon, McCarthy, DeLillo, Roth. To really get a mental grasp on the four or five generations preceding this one, reading Dickens is not only essential, but fun. Only those content (or doomed) to remain mentally dead either don't (or can't) read Dickens. Hard fact, but true. If one wants to read seriously or write in English, Dickens must be read, and read in full.

[Anonymous No.23274212]

>>23270982
I like a Pilsner; especially on a warm day after working outside. I also like reading Dickens; nice to see more than a few actual posts in this thread. Been awhile since the greatest novelist in English has been subject of a thread in excess of 100 posts. Bumping to make it so.
>>23268589
Based

[Anonymous No.23274224]

>>23273097
Not just anglophones. The Russians were under his spell just as much

[Anonymous No.23274270]

>>23273097
I'm the anon from yesterday at the beginning asking about dickens and why lit doesn't talk about him as much. Just started reading Great Expectations and so far it isn't a tough read (I have read less than 10 books my whole life) but it's not difficult and is surprisingly nice.
Is there a general reading order when it comes to Dickenson?

[Anonymous No.23275501]

>>23270897
>>23269948
>>23269577
It’s funny, I’m actually really very conservative on many issues, but reading this made me want to execute you because of how fucking stupid it was.

[Anonymous No.23275511]

>>23274270
Great Expectations is actually a late novel and considered somewhat difficult by many but I agree, it's pretty straight forward if you're willing to adapt your mind to another time and place, which many fwr find 'boring'
Pickwick Papers and Oliver Twist are the first two, and, I think the best to start with but by all means finish up Great Expectations first if you're enjoying it. David Copperfield (similar to Great Expectations as a young man's coming of age story) and A Tale of Two Cities (Dickens' only historical novel-- it concerns a series of Romantic 'exploits' in both London and Paris during the period of the French Revolution) would also make a good 2 and 3

[Anonymous No.23275518]

Whats the best selling novel
Whats the most popular novel of love time
Dickens is the greatest. I

[Anonymous No.23275521]

>>23274224
I'm aware of Tolstoy's admiration if unfortunately at the expense of Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.23275524]

I seriously can't get through his work. Why is it so plodding? Was he paid by the word?
I need an abridged version

[Anonymous No.23275535]

>>23275524
Just spend about $40.00 on some sick suction cupped dildos to use as dick ends for holding the book open. When he gets into the long-parts swivel the book rhythmically to put yourself into a Dickensian trance. That's how you're meant to read him. In Victorian they would put him on the gas which would do something similar but I assume you don't have the gas

[Anonymous No.23275542]

>>23275535
Man why does everyone here take everything so personally. I didn't even say anything bad. All.my problems are mine not Dickens. I just could not get into the first chapter of the book I skimmed in the middle of a loud thrift store