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[Anonymous No.23230454]

>"retvrn to tradition"
>is a freemason

[Anonymous No.23230458]

>>23230454
I thought he was a Muslim

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !Ry9RIEstm6 No.23230461]

[Anonymous No.23230473]

>>23230454
He was also initiated into Taoism and multiple Sufi tariqas, freemasonry didn't define his identity. His supernal superexcellence is such that it eludes categorization.

[Anonymous No.23230485]

>>23230454
>>23230458
>>23230461
filtered hard

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !Ry9RIEstm6 No.23230490]

>>23230473


ILLUMINISTIC INTELLECTUALOID HUMAN DETRITVS LIKE YOU, AND LIKE GUÉNON, SHOULD BE SCRUBBED AWAY FROM EARTH.

[Anonymous No.23230491]

>>23230454
Okay real talk. What is the deal with freemasonry?

[Anonymous No.23230504]

>>23230491
People think is sub Jewish claptrap

[Anonymous No.23230509]

More like
>return to tradition
>embraces metaphysics of presence
>>23230491
Pic related

[Anonymous No.23230510]

>>23230504
*it’s not is

[Anonymous No.23230540]

>>23230454
I haven't yet read it, but wasn't one of his last works just shitting on all modern Freemasonry as being gay and bad while the Companonage was the only extant Traditional craft initiatory group? Perspectives on Initiation also has a great deal about speculative vs. operative lodges.

[Anonymous No.23230565]

>>23230490
t. hylic

[Anonymous No.23230572]

>return to tradition
>b-b-b-but not christianity!
Every single time.

[Anonymous No.23230585]

>>23230572
Guénon was a practicing Christian for much of his adult life

[Anonymous No.23230611]

>>23230454
>>"retvrn to tradition"
Guenon was not a /pol/ tranny, that's Evola.

[Anonymous No.23230615]

>>23230454

[Anonymous No.23231121]

>>23230454
Not only that but wasn't he and his "mentor" also a Martinist? From what I gather they helped instigate the Red Revolution amongst other shady things. Seems most of these Occultists are almost/always subslversive agensts of sorts - where you can't quite pin point what their motivations were.

[Anonymous No.23231327]

can't stand all these subversive occultists that tell me to, uh, follow the most traditional form of my historical heritage

[Anonymous No.23231330]

>>23230490
>cumgenus
Are you the genius of the cum?

[Anonymous No.23231334]

>>23230572
who are you quoting? certainly not Guenon.

[Anonymous No.23231337]

>>23230490
I could beat you in a wrestling match.

[Anonymous No.23231339]

>guenon
known Blavatsky plagiarist

[Anonymous No.23231369]

>>23231339
More like the exposer and retroactive refuter of her

[Anonymous No.23231400]

>>23230572
t. never read Guenon

[Anonymous No.23231402]

>>23230491
It's a a secret society founded upon syncretic religious relativism, subversion of institutions, and secrecy. Basically they're Anglo Saxons behaving the way jews do. Like the jews, not all of them are bad.

[Anonymous No.23231504]

>>23231369
they agree on so many things its not even funny

[Anonymous No.23231514]

>>23230473
Retard.

[Anonymous No.23232007]

>>23230454

[Anonymous No.23232031]

>>23230491
it's really boring. full of larping boomers and social-climbing brownoids
t. former entered apprentice

[Anonymous No.23232053]

>>23230461
>tradition is good;it is traditional
Do they ever explain why tradition is good? I think his critique of modernity is not that bad, but as an alternative he always just say "people used to do this instead". The East seemingly fell to the corruption of the West quite easily, mostly just promising shiny toys.
>>23230572
>>23230585
>>23231400
Guenon is fine with Catholicism, but really only on a "good enough" basis (because Europe lost the rest). Admits all the real, initiatory collectives are gone. And overall, catholicism is just a connection to the true Tradition he was seeking. He converted to sufism because he felt like it was closer to the actual, perennial tradition. I don't see how anyone following Guenon's footsteps can end with Catholicism.
>>23232031
That's just some divine irony, and I hope that's not just some public facing wing, but actual infiltration by the masses.

[Anonymous No.23232179]

>>23232053
>public facing wing
My lodge had a lot of 33rd degrees and Templars (they bragged and then they also wore their medals and fancy symbols on their aprons. They were your typical boomer. No initiatic wisdom or any wisdom to speak of. That's why I left.

[Anonymous No.23232444]

>>23232053
>Do they ever explain why tradition is good?
From what I’ve briefly read by Evola, tradition is a higher reality; Similar to Plato’s forms.
A society is traditional when the form of tradition rules, and modern when it strays from it.

[Anonymous No.23232901]

>>23230454
>author calls for return to tradition
>really calls for a return to the early modern era and can't see past the modernist confines of liberalism, scriptural literalism, commodity fetishism, and the nation-state
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.23233062]

>>23230473
freemasons can't access superexcellence

[Anonymous No.23233068]

>>23230491

freemasons are atheist pieces of shit

>In long-term historical perspective, Norman Davies has argued that Freemasonry was a powerful force on behalf of Liberalism in Europe and its colonies, from about 1700 to the twentieth century. It expanded rapidly during the Age of Enlightenment, reaching practically every country in Europe, as well as the British and Spanish overseas colonies. It was especially attractive to royalty, powerful aristocrats and politicians as well as intellectuals, artists and political activists. Its great enemy was the Roman Catholic Church, so that in countries with a large Catholic element, such as France, Italy, Austria, Portugal, Spain, and Mexico, much of the ferocity of the political battles involve the confrontation between the conservatives centered around the Church and liberals who were often Freemasons.[99][100]

>By the 1820s, every regiment of the British Army had at least one Masonic chapter, and they set about to form chapters among civilians everywhere they were stationed in the British Empire.[101] In the French, Spanish, and Portuguese empires, Army chapters were also active in spreading Freemasonry.[102] In 19th and early 20th century Mexico, practically all the important leaders of liberalism were active Freemasons; they used their lodges as devices for political organization.[103][104] Twentieth century totalitarian movements, especially the Fascists and Communists when they came to power, set out to systematically crush the Freemason organizations in their countries.[105]

[Anonymous No.23233145]

>>23230454
>be me, a modern tech-savvy philosopher
>decides to dive into René Guénon's "The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times"
>expecting a chill read about how everything used to be better in the old days
>instead, gets hit with the metaphysical equivalent of "back in my day, we walked uphill both ways in the snow"
>Guénon starts off with "modern world? more like MODERN WORST"
>me, sitting in my smart home, surrounded by IoT devices, feeling personally attacked
>he's all about the spiritual over the material, saying we lost our way chasing the latest iPhone release
>can't help but glance guiltily at my collection of slightly outdated tech gadgets
>Guénon goes hard on traditional values, like a spiritual grandpa
>says we should return to ancient wisdom, kinda makes sense until he suggests my smartwatch is the reason I feel empty inside
>ouch.jpg
>starts questioning if my microwave really does bring me closer to enlightenment
>he's not all about that modern progress, says it's basically quantity over quality
>meanwhile, I'm here thinking about how many more episodes of "Ancient Aliens" I can binge in one sitting
>"Is Guénon suggesting I won't find spiritual fulfillment in Season 12?" I ponder, deeply offended
>decides to take his advice, try to connect with my inner traditionalist
>turns off all electronic devices, attempts to meditate or something
>lasts exactly 2 minutes before I'm bored out of my mind
>realizes my drive to reach for the stars might just be coded into my millennial DNA, or maybe I just really like WiFi
>tries to imagine a world as Guénon wants it, where we're all happy growing our own food and dying young of boredom
>pictures self in a village, living the simple life, no internet, no memes, no Metallica
>a single tear rolls down my cheek as I whisper, "Enter Sandman" to the uncaring cosmos
>comes to the conclusion that maybe Guénon has a point somewhere in there
>but also realizes that perhaps there's a middle ground where I can keep my tech and still find some deeper meaning
>decides to start small, like using my smartwatch to remind me to meditate or something
>Guénon might be onto something, but I'll take my enlightenment with a side of WiFi, thanks

[Anonymous No.23233569]

>>23232179
>>23232031
York Rite? Whereabouts? Also, how did you get in, did they invite you or did you approach first?

>>23232053
>He converted to sufism because he felt like it was closer to the actual, perennial tradition
KEK, no. Are you a Muslim? This is so stupid. He did it because he believed there were still regular initiatic lineages in Islam and because he believed it was easier for Westerners to integrate into Islam than into other Traditions. Islam (and Sufism) in general isn't better than Catholicism when it comes to upholding Tradition (in the Guénonian sense). There are very few initiatic (as opposed to mystic) Sufi lineages.

[Anonymous No.23233576]

>>23230611
Why would trannies want to return to tradition, idiot? Why would trannies read evola and use pol? It's more likely that trannies would read Guenon unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.23233584]

>>23232901
>Guénon
>really calls for a return to the early modern era
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And le many such cases Donald drumpf meme xD

[Anonymous No.23233607]

>>23230572
Guenon and Evola generally thought that Westerners should continue to be Christian.

[Anonymous No.23233608]

>>23232053
>Do they ever explain why tradition is good?
I have heard it said that tradition is the solution to a problem you didn't know existed. Not all traditions are just good across the board, but there typically was a reason something was done, and if a society that engaged in those practices was healthy and orderly it would seem that it worked the kinks of life out and was adhering to a way of maintaining the healthy, orderly way of life.

[Anonymous No.23233635]

>>23230491
Puritans and other protestants got rid of all the cool catholic rituals and mysticism that appeals to religious-minded people. Freemasonry filled that larping instinct in Britain.

[Anonymous No.23234931]

>>23233145
>>Guénon might be onto something, but I'll take my enlightenment with a side of WiFi, thanks
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.23234942]

>>23230454
>muh lineage
>converts Islam
>Sunni Islam
>Sunni 'sufist' Islam

>>23230491
New Age syncretism before New Age. Counter Papacy trans-national spy medium for Protestant countries. Deeply closeted alchemy/hermeticism/Platonism on one side, shabbosy Dispensationalist allegorical gobbledegook on the other. Nothing good it doesn't steal from elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.23235004]

>>23230461
Kid's on this photo must be black. Average traflarper extremely antiwhite.

[Anonymous No.23235011]

>>23231504
Falce dichotomy between new age and "traditionalism".

[Anonymous No.23235020]

>claims to be le "esoteric"
>all works are publicly available for plebs to read
lol what a pseud charlatan

[Anonymous No.23235028]

I don't have any opinion I just want to see Adam Driver play him in the biopic

[Anonymous No.23235166]

>>23230473
>Taoism
I read main Taoist text and i think guenon didn't actually know what is it

[Anonymous No.23235522]

As a Freemason myself, it is always amusing seeing profoundly uneducated people online try to grapple with what one is, claiming they know and this and that.
You don't.

[Anonymous No.23235539]

>>23235166
wdym? He cites the Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi and Leizi throughout his works

[Anonymous No.23235554]

>>23230491
Heirs to the knights templar, their original goal was to restore the temple of Solomon by recovering the lost arc of the covenant (also called the holy grail). They went underground after the knights were hunted down and burned at the stake. Now they are mostly a drinking club i believe.

[Anonymous No.23235566]

>>23235554
You are roughly correct.

[Anonymous No.23236719]

>>23235166
he knew how to read classical chinese bruh
if anything taoism is one of his stronger subjects

[Anonymous No.23236727]

>>23233145
he predicted bitcoin and is probably satoshi himself

[Anonymous No.23236809]

>>23230509
>The Protocols of The Elders of Zion
Good book unironically, even better than Mein Kampf and the essays by Wagner.

[Anonymous No.23236832]

>>23236719
>he knew how to read classical chinese bruh
proofs?

[Anonymous No.23236837]

>>23230509
>as a religious or philosophical sect of distinction, mixed up with, and found in real human history, they are not to be traced higher than the century before the Christian era.
Thats true. “Jewish genes” is false , and judaism is merely a cult and not “ethnoreligion” like the zionists and jews want everyone to believe.

[Anonymous No.23236852]

>>23236832
newfag

[Anonymous No.23236862]

>>23230509
>And in the first general notice that we have of the Jews, they are introduced to the world as a sect, or a series of sects, being Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes; and in that general notice, beyond that sort of mistaken allegorical history which Josephus has copied from the books of the Old Testament, and which is not otherwise corroborated, and no better authority than the book of the Old Testament, there is no presentation of the Jews as the descendents of a larger nation of Israelites; as a religious or philosophical sect of distinction, mixed up with, and found in real human history, they are not to be traced higher than the century before the Christian era.

[Anonymous No.23237873]

>>23230454
PBUH