/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23218460]

I respect these two for proving once and for all that writer's block is just author-speak for: "I'm a lazy procrastinating cunt who doesn't want to meet any deadline."

[Anonymous No.23218472]

>>23218460
Rothfuss is not really a writer. He is a liberal college educated typical sôifuck who wrote few books because of some grand delusions of trying everything in life. He is the kind of guy who gets his entire worldview from fiction and television. And it is our failure as a culture that he became a success, thus proving the dying standards of fantasy writing (if there were any to begin with)

[Anonymous No.23218529]

"Lazy" isn’t really accurate. Lack of motivation to sit down and devote mental energy to it is a better way to describe it. Laziness implies that the only impediment is the willingness to work on it, when it’s more about the desire to. Depression, no longer interested in the story, or more interested in other pursuits, etc.

[Anonymous No.23218671]

>>23218529
>no longer interested in the story, or more interested in other pursuits, etc.
I think along with severe mental health issues, that's what happened to Rothfuss. It's a young man's story, one that I just can't see a dude in his 50s writing. It also had a whole litany of flaws that I don't think he's self-aware enough to fix, given his IRL failings and outright charity fraud.

[Anonymous No.23218717]

>>23218460
How did he do it?
>Between 1828 and 1834 Balzac led a tumultuous existence, spending his earnings in advance as a dandy and man-about-town. A fascinating raconteur, he was fairly well received in society. But social ostentation was only a relaxation from phenomenal bouts of work—14 to 16 hours spent writing at his table in his white, quasi-monastic dressing gown, with his goose-quill pen and his endless cups of black coffee.
>In the period 1832–35 he produced more than 20 works, including the novels Le Médecin de campagne (1833; The Country Doctor), Eugénie Grandet (1833), L’Illustre Gaudissart (1833; The Illustrious Gaudissart), and Le Père Goriot (1835), one of his masterpieces. Among the shorter works were Le Colonel Chabert (1832), Le Curé de Tours (1832; The Vicar of Tours), the trilogy of stories entitled Histoire des treize (1833–35; History of the Thirteen), and Gobseck (1835).

[Anonymous No.23220135]

>>23218460
Martin wrote himself into a corner he's spent over 10 years trying to figure a way out of. Rothfuss is genuinely just a lazy bastard and is probably also going through imposter syndrome.

[Anonymous No.23220162]

>>23218717
Having huge debts, being very ambitious (he kept a bust of Napoleon in front of him while writing to remind himself of greatness) and refusing to have a bourgeois profession (he wrote Cromwell to prove to his family that he could write so he wouldn't have to become a lawyer). And coffee of course, a ton of coffee.

[Anonymous No.23220205]

>>23220135
Switch the names and that’s pretty much my take. Rothfuss seems to have just freeballed his way across most of the first 2 novels before realizing he has to tie everything together in a final book which I can almost excuse him for wanting to get perfect. Martin on the other hand seems to have produced less and less quality writing as his fame grew and he could find an excuse to do anything else with his time.

[Anonymous No.23220229]

>>23218460
They got mindrotted by modernity just like everyone else and now they physically and mentally cannot sit down to finish their works.

[Anonymous No.23220239]

>>23218717
This is what happens when no TV or internet and neet.

[Anonymous No.23220397]

>>23218460
>cuckthfuss posting
And here's another 30 pages of MC seething and coping about how his love interest is getting her guts pushed in but he's her real boo dear reader!!

[Anonymous No.23220403]

>>23220239
After internets english no more

[Anonymous No.23220404]

>>23218460
rothfuss a cuck

[Anonymous No.23220427]

>>23218460
Why would you sit down and write something when you have enough money for you and your grandkids grandkids?

[Anonymous No.23220485]

>>23218671
What mental health issues though? Is he really that depressed?

[Anonymous No.23221691]

>>23218460
seems like writing became a chore for both of them

[Anonymous No.23221728]

>>23220485
He has severe and obvious ADHD, and let's be honest here, he's a total sperg and that comes with its own friends. He can't write because he's off chasing butterflies every 5 minutes. I think the truth is that even a middle aged spergy manchild knows that what he wrote shows that he's a socially stunted spergo and he has moved on from that by taking up current social justice rhetoric in order to be seen as a good reddi---socially acceptable individual who only thinks the right things.

No one can write a book worth reading like that.

[Anonymous No.23221980]

>>23218460
martin is literally just lying
he doesnt want to write the next book but the sell value of his prior books depends on the idea that the series is going somewhere

[Anonymous No.23222029]

>>23218460
I love Sanderson became this generation's fantasy GOAT just because his ability to consistently meet deadlines.

[Anonymous No.23222075]

>>23218717
And the wild part is that he didn't write pure schlock but was actually good

[Anonymous No.23222081]

>>23222029
What if you had someone who could meet his deadlines and was actually good, too?

[Anonymous No.23222088]

>>23218460
Writing shouldn't be a compulsion.
Why force yourself to keep writing word after word? If you do this, you have nothing to say. You wish to be a writer but you are not a real writer: you have nothing to say!
Words should come out in spite of you, because you have so much to say. That's a real writer.

[Anonymous No.23222091]

>>23218460
In fairness to GRM he’s been pumping out books for decades and had his thunder stolen by the show’s finale that everyone hated. Dude’s old and running out of gas, it happens to the best.

[Anonymous No.23222180]

>>23222081
pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.23222191]

>>23222180
I'd like to see your top 10 fantasy writers, please.

[Anonymous No.23222199]

>>23222191
I'd like you to get better taste

[Anonymous No.23222295]

>>23218460
Martin at the very least is old asf and would rather spend his remaining time working on his other projects.
Pat literally begs for donations on twitch for his fundraiser which is his main source of income these days. He even has the gall to edit a short story he wrote a decade ago in an attempt to seem productive. Even calling it a "warm up" before he could work on Doors of Stone.

[Anonymous No.23222305]

>>23222199
Not even top 5? Too lazy for even top 3? Come on, let's hear it.

[Anonymous No.23222315]

>>23221980
Fuck him, give the reigns to Stephen King and he'll knock out the rest in a weekend.

[Anonymous No.23222728]

>>23218460
I respect Martin, my man busted his ass for the majority of his life and right at the end he got very rich and spends his time having fun. Fans boiling in their own piss waiting for a new book while he’s tweeting about how cool it was to go down the Mississippi on a paddle-steamer is actually based.

Rothfuss is a different story that man has 3 curses on him, a curse of three parts if you will.
1: Fantasies of being a gayman
He never wanted to write books he wants to be A WRITER, he’s in love with Neil Gaiman and all that lot who wax lyrical about the ephemeral oneness of putting pen to paper and the ineffable magic of books. He just likes the idea of being on panels and having people listen to him carp on about himself. Now that podcasts and livestreams exist he can fulfil that without ever writing another book, publishing might help him keep an audience but the drive isn’t the same. Reflect on his self insert power fantasy character Kvothe- He’s the best at fighting, studying, magic, sex and music but for all that wish fulfilment Kvothe has never written a book.
2: The great Basedout
Patrick got online politics brainworms hard it’d take a swimming pool of castor oil to flush them out. The problem with this is that he’s actually taken the endless parade of fat women with grievances seriously to the point where his voice is now stuck in a weird valleygirl vocal fry because talking normally might upset some of y’all folx. Whatever narrative he had planned out will have to be raped in order to make it non-toxic, reject the male gaze, find a character to make trans etc. No mean feat, the difficulty compounds because vaguely left media critique is schizophrenic and the line of what’s acceptable whose voices should be uplifted changes daily if not hourly. Imagine Pat sits down and watches a great video essay about queer representation in The Wild Thornberrys FUCK! he’s just realised that the last 3 chapters he’s finished traduce the experiences of trans drone pilots, time to re-write. This cycle continues, each new important lesson in a GOOD FUCKING PERSON sprialing him further into re-writes of re-writes of re-writes. If doors of stone ever comes out it’ll be the most pozzed book of all time.
3: Fat
He’s fat.

[Anonymous No.23222742]

>>23220485
Pretty much everybody is severely depressed now. Do you know anyone who is just obviously beaming with vitality and sound mental health? I don’t.

Hell, I think it’s half the reason literature sucks now and nobody wants to write. Anon’s point about lack of motivation applies to everyone.

[Anonymous No.23223320]

>>23222081
God damn he's good. Age of Madness was not what I wanted but fuck if it wasn't poignant.

[Anonymous No.23223487]

>>23218460
George asked my wife(F&SF author)in 1995 how she managed to write big, popular Fantasy series. She replied that outlining was paramount. He didn’t take the advi.

[Anonymous No.23223514]

>>23222742
I'd be depressed if I knew you personally too.

[Anonymous No.23223546]

>>23223487
What's your wife book?

[Anonymous No.23223572]

>>23218460
>rothfuss
>the second half of his second book was about his self insert MC having sex with an elf for years

[Anonymous No.23223586]

>>23218472
His books are fun, and that's what mattered. Go fuck yourself for trying to ruin fantasy and turn it into the skinwalking propaganda piece for politics that the science fiction genre has been since inception. Tolkien despised allegories and always insisted his books were never intended to be some gay fucking grand metaphor for real life, they were just a fun fucking story.

[Anonymous No.23223596]

>>23220239
Kek I think about this a lot. How many great artists created momentous works of art primarily because they were bored out of their minds? How many would get sucked into endless internet distractions if they lived today, and never produce anything of worth?

[Anonymous No.23223610]

>>23223586
>Go fuck yourself for trying to ruin fantasy and turn it into the skinwalking propaganda piece for politics that the science fiction genre has been since inception.

[Anonymous No.23223611]

>>23218460
>>23218472
>>23218529
>>23220135
>>23223514
>>23223546

I'm so tired of saying this, but I'm equally as tired of GRRM posts. Martin doesn't know what the fuck to do because his characters have ended up in places they weren't supposed to be, and he's killed off a character he realized he needed to move the story forward. It has nothing to do with laziness; he is stuck.

GOT (the show) captured his vision: Dany and Jon will meet, fall in love, Jon (Rheagor's son; the prince that was promised) will have to kill Dany after she slowly turns crazy. The problem is the showrunners knew this in advance and so they knew what to do and what not to do to get the characters there, while Martin struggled in the darkness with no clue.

Martin will never finish the books. Someone else will. Probably Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.23223711]

>>23223611
Neil Gaiman will finish ASOFAS and the books will also be introduced by Neil Gaiman.

[Anonymous No.23223896]

>>23223611
I honestly don’t even care anymore and Dany was never a very interesting character anyways. But what he did write and what the show went off was very entertaining and had some nice scenes and characterization otherwise. I’m fine with that.

[Anonymous No.23224080]

>>23223611
Agree somewhat. The show is absolutely the intended ending. Some characters are removed or merged, parts were rushed through, some corners were cut, but the broad strokes and key characters, by and large, it all went according the GRRM's plan. And he's had the end game planned in his mind for decades. And then the show does it and the ending is largely panned. He's devastated. To make yourself put in the countless hours and years on a ending that was rejected? He just can't do it. His hearts no longer in it.

[Anonymous No.23224291]

>>23218529
I'm not so much a writer but I do a lot of creative art work, block does exist as in external forces prevent output, but to beat bad "block" you have to work through it until you can catch an actual flow that leads to something. Like being stuck on a boat at sea, you'll have to paddle until finding a current that takes you somewhere or you'll be stuck.
With something like writing though it's tricky because you have to do a lot of thinking ahead and spend time resource gathering outside of writing itself unlike other mediums. Easy to get caught up in all that. Sure he's sitting on a fat stack of cash too.