John Mearsheimer

[Anonymous No.23214637]

Is he worth reading? Where do I begin with his works?

[Anonymous No.23214668]

Start with Huntington's Clash.
Then with JM's "Why Leaders Lie".

[Anonymous No.23214672]

>>23214637
>Is he worth reading?
No, even in context of realistic school he is retarded

[Anonymous No.23214682]

>>23214672
ok hohol

[Anonymous No.23214700]

>>23214637
Literally a guy, who thinks that the whole world revolves round the US. That's not so valuable intellectual thought desu.

[Anonymous No.23214787]

>>23214637
He hasn't been wrong once in 30 years.

>>23214700
Huh? Mearsheimer has been predicting the rise of a multipolar world for decades and advocating for America managing its decline better by thinking more about what China, India, Russia want.

[Anonymous No.23214798]

>>23214637
>Be political realist
>Ussr is fucking dying
>Ur unemployed now

[Anonymous No.23214811]

>>23214787
>the rise of a multipolar world
Kek. The US literally fattened up all its enemies.

>China, India, Russia want.
Without American or European money nobody would care about those failed states. It's not a political question, just an economical one.

[Anonymous No.23214850]

>>23214811
>meanwhile the petrodollar is dying in real time
sure thing sweetie

[Anonymous No.23214853]

>>23214672
This. No one really takes him seriously. He's the geopolitical equivalent of Dr. John Mew... and probably followed by a similar demographic (IYKYK).

[Anonymous No.23214990]

Muh spartans.

[Anonymous No.23215369]

A friend of mine adores The Tragedy Of Great Power Politics, but I found it tiresome and obvious. The Israel Lobby book is good but idk how much was him and how much the other guy.

[Anonymous No.23215541]

>>23214637
He was careful not to totally name the Jew in judge Napolitano two days ago

[Anonymous No.23215659]

>>23215369
One of his main thesis in the Israel Lobby book is that the overt US support for Israel started with Six Day War in 1967, which is such obvious, politically correct bullshit it puts me off him. Though a lot of the stuff he says regarding Russia, US and ukraine war is true.

[Anonymous No.23215909]

Cope thread. Legend in his field like Chomsky was in Linguistics. Predicted the loss of Ukraine with incredible accuracy and reasoning. Mandatory reading in any geopolitics class.

>European money
Europe is literally breaking apart with Germany in heavy recession and stagflation. Don't believe me? Go there and buy a Kebab Muttfag. Then you will know what a failed state looks like. Russia is in way over 3% economic growth while the former 3rd largest world economy is broken politically, economically and by any societal standard. Leftist autocratic state hunting their legitimate opposition with our equivalent of your FBI and NSA. Two gangrapes every day by migrants according to police statistics. You have no fucking idea how fucked the EU is, undergrad cunt, when the strongest economy in the economic zone collapses. But don't get upset, the US is next and it will be more brutal than what could ever happened in Europe. God be with you.

It's inredible how many fucking retards come flown by like flies on a pile of shit once it's about a politcal book or topic.
>t.master in economics and bachelors in internatioal politics
but most important
>t. living in the heart of Europe thinking of ways to leave the country before it collapses.

[Anonymous No.23215922]

The funny thing about Mearsheimer et. al’s thought and the thought of his so-called realistic school of politics, is that it’s just common sense applied to geopolitics. There are no grant theories, no great principles. It’s just pointing out the failures of ultra-ideological progressive Americanism in the 21st century.

I mean, I hope it catches on because it’s vastly preferable to the sort of Neocon politics popular in places like the CFR that dominates foreign affairs, but the fact that he’s been relegated to doing the YouTube circuit despite being a professor at the U Chicago doesn’t exactly bode well for the future of his thought. Then again, you probably won’t find much of anything with a future at U of Chicago.

[Anonymous No.23215935]

>>23215659
>One of his main thesis in the Israel Lobby book is that the overt US support for Israel started with Six Day War in 1967, which is such obvious, politically correct bullshit it puts me off him

How so? America wasn't publicly as pro-Israel before (see how Eisenhower dealt with the Suez crisis). Six Day war was politically most significant event for creating the more rabid bipartisan support for Israel

[Anonymous No.23216116]

>>23215922
>There are no grant theories, no great principles
wtf are you talking about?

>thought of his so-called realistic school of politics
retard

[Anonymous No.23216117]

>>23215909
>Russia is in way over 3% economic growth
By making the military shit which will be destroyed in Ukraine. Russian economy is dead, but it already was irelevant shit on life support by petrodollars.

>You have no fucking idea how fucked the EU is, undergrad cunt, when the strongest economy in the economic zone collapses. But don't get upset, the US is next and it will be more brutal than what could ever happened in Europe.
Seethe, brainlet. We all have heard this shit about the collapse of the West thousands times. You was not the first, you will not be the last.

[Anonymous No.23216136]

>>23216116
Nice rebuttal pseud

[Anonymous No.23216162]

>>23216136
There is nothing to rebut shit for brains. Wtf do you mean by no grand theories? Explain yourself moron.

[Anonymous No.23216250]

>>23216162
I explained it in plain English immediately after. It’s not a system of theories or principles. It’s just common sense takedowns of liberal-progressive foreign policy. That’s it. I can’t be any clearer about this.

By the way, the proper reply when you don’t understand something is to ask for clarity but basic communication breaks down with zoomers.

[Anonymous No.23216606]

>>23216117
>By making the military shit which will be destroyed in Ukraine. Russian economy is dead, but it already was irelevant shit on life support by petrodollars.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.23216652]

>>23216250
>It’s not a system of theories or principles.
Realism is literally referred to as one of the Grand Theories in IR. Maybe read about Morgenthau or Waltz to get an understanding Realism's disciplinary identity. The goal of theorists is to understand and explain state behavior.

It's "Realism" btw, not "realistic". You need to at least read the relevant wiki page before making stupid pronouncements like this.

[Anonymous No.23217241]

I've listened to a few interviews and he seems to say that states are fundamentally rational and behave more or less the same way, to protect themselves from attack or to maximize their power. But when I read history or just read the news it seems like political leaders make stupid, boneheaded, irrational decisions all the time motivated by their own beliefs, biases, prejudices, neuroses, grudges, emotional fixations or intellectual abstractions.

Here's another example. Mearsheimer has said the domino theory during the Cold War was dumb (that is the idea that if one country becomes communist, then the neighbors would switch to communism too). But there's no reason why decisions guided by domino theory are irrational and Putin's attack on Ukraine is not, if we accept Mearsheimer's argument that it was based on a rational concern that Ukraine falling out of Russia's grasp should be of any concern to Russia.

Like I'm an idiot but how is IR realism theoretically different from just wartime nationalism? Nations are in a state of constant conflict to seek advantage at others' expense. Or how is this not just a naked vehicle for the specific, intellectualized nationalisms of the war-loving elites of a tiny subset of nations whose members are pretty easy to puzzle out? That's a rhetorical question.

[Anonymous No.23217294]

>>23214637
doesn't name the jew so no

[Anonymous No.23217685]

>>23215369
>I found it tiresome and obvious
You have to understand that the idea that countries aren't motivated by pragmatic self-interest and that the world isn't heading toward some kind of Star Trek singularity of international brotherhood is still a big red pill by the standards of normalfags.
As >>23215922 points out, we're still coming off the era of American "end-of-history" thinking. Despite events in recent years, there are still a good number of people who believe that countries like Russia and China are "bad eggs" and with enough effort we can get back on track with a world of liberal democracies.

[Anonymous No.23217688]

>>23214637
On the same topic, are there other realists worth reading for international relations?

[Anonymous No.23217693]

>>23217241
>how is IR realism theoretically different from just wartime nationalism
Simple, the goal of IR realism is the maintenance of international peace through a balancing of powers, at least in the view of the more classical realist scholars. Think Congress of Vienna or Concert of Europe type stuff in the 19th century. Countries are still competing with each other on the basis of self-interest, but there was a general avoidance of open great power conflict.
If war must be waged, it's a Kabinetkrieg of impersonal war to secure a vital interest, not irredentism or revanchism as a wartime nationalist would conceive it.

[Anonymous No.23217696]

>>23215922
Exactly what I wanted to say. Everything Mersheimer believes about America and the West is what your average 50 year old uncle in a 3rd world country knows about America.

[Anonymous No.23217701]

>>23217696
True, but that is valuable in itself, since us Americans aren't conscious at all of how a 50 year old 3rd worlder would view us. We have a lot of conceptions of ourselves as a country with some kind of special mission, so we are still deeply uncomfortable with the idea that we're a self-interested country like any other.

[Anonymous No.23217713]

Didn't this guy molest his niece or something?

[Anonymous No.23217726]

>>23214637
>states act 'rationally' without reference to Elite Theory or its consequences

Categorically no. Read all of George Kennan instead.

[Anonymous No.23217728]

>>23217241
>"I was bullied in school." -- Mearshitter

The rest follows. Academics with no historical or ideological discernment nor practical diplomatic/political experience are worth a hill of beans.

[Anonymous No.23217998]

>>23214637
A Russian optimist believer.

Thus no.

[Anonymous No.23218276]

>>23214637
He has a substack now. Start there if you can't handle a whole book.

>>23217688
George Friedman.

[Anonymous No.23218513]

>>23215909
you should try actually fixing europe rather than being a rootless financial immigrant.

[Anonymous No.23219079]

>>23218276
>Look up Friedman
>He was a Japanhawk in the 90s
Kek, how embarassing

[Anonymous No.23219679]

>>23215909
Thirdie living in the West or pidor? You decide.

[Anonymous No.23219823]

>>23214672
based

[Anonymous No.23219826]

>>23215659
>Russia, US and ukraine war is true.

being this retarded. the guy can't even read a graph

[Anonymous No.23219866]

>>23219826
butthurt zogbot detected