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Hey /lit/ just read this for the first time. Is it just me, or is Kurt Vonnegut kind of a jerk?

>> No.2321358

Please, explain your thinking.

>> No.2321363

You probably just didn't get his deadpan sarcasm.

>> No.2321364

There just seems to be so much bitterness and defeatism lurking just underneath the surface of this book. The satire seems like just a thin way of him to mask his raging disgust with a sheen of sanctimonious, self-righteous moralizing. I've read breakfast of champions a couple of times, and kind of got the same vibe.

>> No.2321368

>>2321364
>There just seems to be so much bitterness and defeatism lurking just underneath the surface of this book. The satire seems like just a thin way of him to mask his raging disgust with a sheen of sanctimonious, self-righteous moralizing.
Hello, my friend! Welcome to satire!

ALL OF IT.

This is kind of how satire works.

>> No.2321371

>>2321352
Are you Fox News?

And he can come across as an asshole. You either find it hilarious or you don't.

>> No.2321373

"I now make a living by being impolite" - breakfast of champions

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>>2321352
If you think Vonnegut is a jerk, don't read Bukowski.

>> No.2321381

>>2321364
I would say moralising over the events of WWII is perfectly excusable. Everyone does it and should!

I would say it immediately comes across as fatalistic but it's hardly rage or disgust. Defeatism isn't characterised by protest but acceptance.

>> No.2321383

So it goes.

>> No.2321384

>>2321368
OP here. I always thought satire tried to ridicule the world for the purpose of of ultimately making it a better place. I don't see how vonnegut vomiting up hopelessness at every turn really achieves anything more than wallowing in misery.

>> No.2321389

>>2321384
>satire
>for the purpose of of ultimately making it a better place

nope

However the novel is of course anti-war. It's a protest in it's own way. I would hardly call that wallowing in misery

>> No.2321391

>>2321384
>I always thought satire tried to ridicule the world for the purpose of of ultimately making it a better place

No.

Anything else, sunshine?

>> No.2321395

>>2321389
>Write about war and death for hundreds of pages.
>Anti-War

>> No.2321397

>>2321395
And you didn't notice how he treats that subject?

>> No.2321399

>>2321395
>SL5
>hundreds of pages

wat

if every vonnegut hater is like you, then they're more irritating than the fans.

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>>2321389
>>2321391
OP here...

>> No.2321410

>>2321399
>>2321397
0/10

>> No.2321414

he seems like a pretty decent guy to me.

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Pic sums up how I feel about Vonnegut's work.

Only analogy I can think of is snack food: I enjoy them but it never leaves me feeling satisfied or content when I finish - like: oh this is nice, oh wait I'm done, is that it?

>> No.2321586

Some misguided shit in this here thread. Thoughts on the movie? Saw it before the book when I was about 11. Ski masks are still haunting, though I only saw it once...