/lit/ - a history

[Anonymous No.23197986]

/lit/ has produced multiple collaborative projects and periodicals over the years. Many of these projects are now defunct, and the few that are still active seem to have uncertain trajectories. There are also solo writers who frequent /lit/ and—for better or for worse—their namefagging and shilling has impacted the culture of this board.

This thread is for the discussion of the history of /lit/ writing and the future of /lit/. To those that have been involved in previous /lit/ collaborative projects, such as The Lit Quarterly, Pinecone, The April Review, miniMAG and &amp: what were your experiences like? Does the drama and infighting surrounding so many of these /lit/ collaborative projects inevitably result in their dissolution? Do you think that /lit/ has anything valuable to offer for aspiring writers, in terms of critique or support?

Additionally: Are there any new projects in the works? What do you think is next for the so-called /lit/ renaissance? And now that a /lit/ author has finally gotten a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house, do you think that more of our authors are likely to see similar success?

Mega archive of /lit/ periodicals:
mega.nz/folder/2gsHSSbA#Sl46P4LljGlk9mnpAf3Mlw

[Anonymous No.23198025]

>>23197986
Posting in the new thread before it becomes completely unhinged with crabs and shitposters

[Anonymous No.23198220]

What's the consensus?

[Anonymous No.23198728]

>>23198025
fuck off woolston you fat pig

[Anonymous No.23198927]

Tales of the Unreal is the best thing /lit/ has ever produced.

[Anonymous No.23199346]

>>23198220
No one gives a fuck, shill.

[Anonymous No.23199580]

who exactly got a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house?
>>23199346
isn't the whole point of this thread to shill?

[Anonymous No.23199664]

>>23199580
The point of this thread is for faggots to stir up pointless drama.

[Anonymous No.23199741]

>>23199664
shilling apparently stirs up pointless drama

[Anonymous No.23199771]

>>23199580

>who exactly got a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house?

Probably someone who is adept at wearing knee pads and using a lot of chapstick. If you throw the entirety of the ESG & DEI out of the window in traditional publishing then you still have all the other fakeness that comes with popularity contests in mass media. I watch the big awards shows and the way those people talk about each other makes me want to vomit. If I don't like a book or a writer then I will say so. I have read a good chunk of the selfpubbed /lit/ samplings and I have enjoyed what I've read a great deal. Mixtape, Eggplant, Crocodile, Cephalopology, Chicken, etc...and they've all had some merit. None of those books are trying to beat me over the head with any ideological bullshit. I respect that. I tried to do the same thing with Shards but it's tough when dealing with a war like Vietnam. I strive everyday to not be branded some fucking ideologue preaching to my readers. I saw many people in my grad program get trad pubbed because their work was "sad white woman" or "spunky minority" or "quirky nympho Asian" or whatever other identity the publishers think will sell. Mind you, even with their advance and book royalties, they're still mostly working as teachers, tutors, or UberEats. Not one person I've ever known, including my professors in college, made a living off of their writing. It's a bullshit Dream sold to you by Stephen King, JK Rowling, and George RR Martin. It's not realistic and you'll be disappointed if you think it'll ever happen to you.

Godspeed!

[Anonymous No.23199798]

>>23199771
No one cares about your shitty book or your worthless opinions, you pompous faggot. Stop bringing yourself up at every opportunity.

[Anonymous No.23199806]

>>23199798

Who are you?

[Anonymous No.23199816]

>>23199806
A. Zeller.

[Anonymous No.23199823]

>>23199816

You sound like a A. Zealot

[Anonymous No.23199842]

>>23199823
You sound like A. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.23199853]

>>23199771
>blah blah blah
you didn't even answer the question

[Anonymous No.23199870]

>>23199842
kek

[Anonymous No.23200391]

bump

[Anonymous No.23200574]

>>23199580
The guy that wrote BRAT. He already had short stories published and ties to mentor (now deceased) at a publisher. He wrote the novel years ago before Penguin took it.

[Anonymous No.23200607]

My wife loves my collaborative periodicals and she loves me, even though she kicked me out again for getting drunk. Kiss my arse and I mean it.

[Anonymous No.23200907]

>>23200574
that's still not enough info to actually locate anything. what the hell is wrong with everyone here? can't answer a simple question

[Anonymous No.23200930]

>>23200907
His name is GABRIEL SMITH
Lurk more next time ffs.

[Anonymous No.23200939]

>>23200930
>hurr durr why don't you already know the answer to a question you asked
the literal state of 4chan

[Anonymous No.23200949]

>>23200939
>go to Penguin Random House's website
>search "brat"
>second result
Was that so hard?

[Anonymous No.23201047]

>>23200949
>hurr durr how could you not know a book you know nothing about was on penguin house
you just get dumber and dumber and dumber

[Anonymous No.23201059]

ohh hooo hooo I love my wife don't say I don't!
I'm drunk.

[Anonymous No.23201095]

>>23200574
>>23200930
>>23200949
He started shilling his book here last June by posting the cover, but is there any reason to think he's not just a poorly-informed normalfag hoping to cash in on the mythical /lit/ market? That's how his threads read. Here's a quote from him:
>But I find self-published work generally more compelling than work from major publishers, I have read most of F Gardner's books, for example.
That an excerpt about Tao Lin give me the impression he knew about /lit/ only vaguely, probably got reminded of it by the minor controversy Gardner had on Reddit, then thought it'd be easy to shill here if he played the part by bringing up meme bullshit while casually sucking off the self-pub crowd.

His posting style also makes him look like the newest of newfags.

[Anonymous No.23201236]

>>23201095
>That an excerpt about Tao Lin give me the impression
What the fuck does this mean?

[Anonymous No.23201266]

>>23201095
>>23201236
>That and an excerpt about Tao Lin give me the impression
He posted an image of something about Tao Lin in one of his threads. And I meant this guy was aware of the few instances of indie-/alt-lit and /lit/ intersection through people like Tao Lin, but never regularly browsed before trying his hand at shilling here.

[Anonymous No.23201292]

>>23201095
>>23201266
Scurrying out of your cave so soon, cur?
You just can’t help yourself.

[Anonymous No.23201314]

Tao Lin is a nepobaby who got shilled to high heaven by the establishment. theres nothing indie about him and his writing is middle of the road

[Anonymous No.23201331]

There is nothing particularly unique about Taipei that I haven't seen done better in a hundred other works. For the most part he is doing a DFW impression, but he seems to lack real introspection so it comes off artificial. A soulless bug trying to pretend to be human.

[Anonymous No.23201372]

>>23201314
>>23201331
I dunno if this is about me bringing Tao up regarding /lit/'s latest shill or if you're just bawling to yourself, but regardless of how truly "indie" Tao is or was, he was part of the scene that gets called that, and whatever tenuous association he has with /lit/ has probably exposed said scene and its fans to the board. And I'm calling any associated bandwagoning disingenuous.

But then it's another question of "what is a /lit/ writer?" and arguments about newfags vs. oldfags and lurk moar and namefagging etc. So I dunno if Gabby's here to make a case for himself or if you have a rant to make about Tao or what, but feel free to run your throat dry on it.

[Anonymous No.23201390]

>>23201372
i'm not sure what the connection between Tao Lin and this board is, other than he's been shilled here in the past ad nauseam by people who never even read it
and yes I was just using it as an excuse to vent

[Anonymous No.23201404]

even if you read the first chapter of Taipei and nothing else he outs himself immediately as someone with very superficial thoughts and feelings, centered mostly on his own narcississm and self-alienation. it comes off as the scratching of a dog inside a chinese room. words sometimes come out intelligbly, but damned if there's any point to them.

[Anonymous No.23201405]

>>23201292
>mfw someone brings up the namefag drama from the last thread not even thirty posts in

[Anonymous No.23201447]

>>23201405
QRD?

[Anonymous No.23201703]

>>23201447
Go on Warosu and read the deleted posts from the last thread. That about sums it up.

[Anonymous No.23202255]

>>23201292
>>23201095
Looks like both of you fuckers got a two day ban for posting doxx screenshots the other night and then immediately came back to stir up bullshit again. Rethink your lives.

[Anonymous No.23202468]

>no Jason Bryan posts for days
is it finally over?

[Anonymous No.23202638]

>>23201047
It's you that didn't even notice that "Penguin" means Penguin Random House lmfao. >>23200574
But keep gassing yourself up as the wiser and older oldfag, I'm sure someone will believe it.

[Anonymous No.23202831]

>>23201404
I thought Taipei was decent desu. Better than most /lit/ writing at least.

[Anonymous No.23202875]

>>23202831
that's not a mark of quality to begin with

[Anonymous No.23203108]

>>23202875
True, but neither is most tradpubbed stuff these days.

[Anonymous No.23203162]

>>23201703
I still have no clue what the fuck is going on.

[Anonymous No.23203238]

>>23202638
like i give a shit about tradpub houses, or this book. have fun pretending to be relevant

[Anonymous No.23203284]

>>23203238
You cared enough to reply though

[Anonymous No.23203359]

>>23202468
the slob probably caught hantavirus and died

[Anonymous No.23203505]

>>23203284
only to point out that you're full of shit

[Anonymous No.23203567]

>>23201703
Why the fuck is Atlas even talking to Hartley after all of the shit that he pulled? Peak womanbrain.

[Anonymous No.23203759]

[Anonymous No.23204460]

>>23203238
lmao, seethe and cope

[Anonymous No.23204586]

Good morning sirs.
I am looking for the proper channels to submit a document for &amp's Drops Volume One on behalf of my client author, sirs.

[Anonymous No.23204594]

>>23204586
It's a scam. Don't be fooled. Submit elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.23204601]

completely disingenuous to portray post2015 /lit/ as some kind of intellectual salon. most psot2015 anons don't even read

[Anonymous No.23204612]

>>23203759
>check Night of the Crabs at used book store
>ranges from 250 to 700 USD
Holy

[Anonymous No.23204933]

kiss my arse

[Anonymous No.23205611]

>>23204601
Why definine /lit/ writers by the least common denominator of /lit/ posters?

[Anonymous No.23206470]

>>23205611
/lit/ writers are the lowest common denominator tho.

[Anonymous No.23206640]

>>23204933
lol

[Anonymous No.23206937]

These threads move slower and slower... the crabs won

[Anonymous No.23206970]

>>23206937

It's moving slow because we're busy actually reading and writing.

[Anonymous No.23206988]

>>23206970
Oh nice, what are you writing?

[Anonymous No.23206990]

>>23206988

Nothing of value.

[Anonymous No.23207053]

>>23206990
t. Zeller

[Anonymous No.23207116]

>>23206988

I'm working on the Special Edition, Greyscale Edition, and Kindle version of Shards. Hopefully I'll have it done sometime before summer. Then I can get back to Impyreum, the second book in my three book run with Lamp Standard Press. I'm also going to try and start a nonfiction book of some kind but I'll clue /lit/ in on that once it's close to completion.

What am I reading? Currently I'm reading Jason Bryan's book Black Eye Friday because he sent it to me to review and I'm not a complete piece of shit who pretends to care about the validity of the culture I'm associated with and because I promised him I would. So far I'm digging the atmosphere. It is strangely reminiscent of the areas of Los Angeles I used to frequent with my parents. Besides that, I read MOSTLY nonfiction and I'm currently in the middle of a book on the man who claims to have killed Rasputin. Here's the Goodreads link: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1103914

Thank you for asking.

[Anonymous No.23207417]

>>23207116
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1103914
Rasputin was incredibly based.

[Anonymous No.23207700]

>>23207116
>three book run with Lamp Standard Press
irredeemable stupidity.

[Anonymous No.23208074]

>>23204586
Hi Carpathia

[Anonymous No.23208508]

>>23208074
literally who?

[Anonymous No.23208911]

>>23208508
who?????, is this you???? what is going on,???? i can't find my meds????,

[Anonymous No.23208990]

>>23208911
If real, post with trip.

[Anonymous No.23209548]

>>23207116
>doing a special edition for a shitty self-published novella
your narcissism knows no bounds.

[Anonymous No.23209647]

Is the /lit/ renaissance in its anarchy stage?

[Anonymous No.23209655]

>>23209548
>your narcissism knows no bounds.

[Anonymous No.23209752]

>>23209647
It’s the /lit/ Underground now

[Anonymous No.23209816]

>>23197986
>no updates on Tales 3 in months
>last few minimag issues have sucked
>&amp 020 isn't releasing until the summer, if at all
>best of &amp project will never see the light of day
>&non ended up being a lame psyop attempt that got killed by stupid e-drama

is it over for /lit/ anthologies and periodicals? things seem pretty bleak.

[Anonymous No.23209896]

>>23209816
I've never read minimag before. What's it like and can you estimate how many stories the series has so far?

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23210222]

>>23209816
>best of &amp project will never see the light of day
bro i swear just gimme two more days i swear
I really am still working on it.

And there will no doubt be other projects, probably just not from the current cast of people. Every one of these projects operates on a cycle, ending because the main actors either run out of time or care. (I imagine it's incidental to when certain people find the free time in their lives.) Then another pops up sometime later. The current cast is in the phase of realising /lit/ isn't enough to support their plans, which precedes ditching either their project or /lit/.

[Anonymous No.23210252]

>>23197986
Today I am shilling this.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/ed76b683c9a6cb3566772df869cda4da

[Anonymous No.23210304]

>>23209816
The Lit Renaisance didn't die. It was murdered singlehandedly by Tales 2 and Miles' mismanagment of the team including his insecure and megamaniacal lackey David herod.

[Anonymous No.23210306]

>>23210304
Nah. David is benign and unimportant and basically irrelevant to major releases apart for contributing some stories here and there. That said his new book is out now and great.

[Anonymous No.23210307]

>>23210222
Is it still only the first 14 issues?

[Anonymous No.23210330]

>>23203567
I’m not even talking to Ryan I hadn’t talked to him since last December because I wasn’t supposed to talk to him at all I only talked to him one time on Sunday because I couldn’t even get. calm and I wanted to know if he was the one saying kill yourself in the thread?? but i shouldn’t have done it and I haven’t talked to him since then and I’m not going to talk to him anymore I just had to know if he was the one saying kill yourself because I was rlly upset and Ryan said he’s not the one saying kill yourself so that means it has to be Ari saying kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself Ari said that???? that’s what I was so afraid of and that’s what Ryan said he said its Ari but maybe it was Ryan saying kill yourself and he lied?because he said it to me before and I don’t even know which ones are real and I didn’t lose my meds because I always keep them in the same place every day and I never move them anywhere so how could I lose them?? The anon saying that is not the real one theyre trying to trick everyone and lie

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23210355]

>>23210307
yup

[Anonymous No.23210357]

>>23210330
can anyone translate this? i don't speak schizo

[Anonymous No.23210363]

>>23198927
Too bad I'm just now learning about it, I could have had my local library buy a copy.

[Anonymous No.23210383]

>>23210357
I’m not the schizo I don’t even have schizophrenia that’s not real the doctor never said that I have that?? but today I was like hearing things even I don’t know if its just because I’m rlly tired bc I haven’t slept in a long time bc I m scared to go to sleep bc rlly bad dreams but for hours I kept hearing my dad’s voice saying hello?? hello?? over and over and saying my name and it sounded like he was I.n the other room calling me?? but it wasn’t even real he’s not here he’s rlly far away so i don’t know why i kept hearing that and maybe I’m getting schizophrenic for real I don’t know why but I already explained what it means I’m not the schizo??

[Anonymous No.23210391]

>>23210357
I haven't been in communication with Ryan since last December because I was advised not to contact him. However, I did speak to him once on Sunday. My reason for doing so was to ascertain whether he was the one posting harmful messages in a thread, encouraging self-harm. Despite my doubts, I felt compelled to find out the truth because the situation was distressing me.

After speaking with Ryan, he assured me he wasn’t the person behind these messages. Consequently, this leads me to suspect Ari might be responsible. The confusion and fear I felt stemmed from my inability to determine the true source of these messages, compounded by Ryan's past behavior where he made similar remarks.

Regarding my medication, there's no issue of losing them as I consistently place them in the same location daily. I believe the anonymous individual making claims about my medication is deliberately spreading falsehoods to mislead others.

[Anonymous No.23210393]

>>23210391
can anyone translate this? i don't speak normie

[Anonymous No.23210433]

>>23210383
I do not suffer from schizophrenia; such a diagnosis has not been made by any medical practitioner that I have consulted with. Nevertheless, I experienced auditory hallucinations today, prompting uncertainty regarding their origin. This occurrence coincided with a protracted period of sleep deprivation due to apprehension stemming from distressing nightmares. For several hours, I heard my father's voice saying hello repeatedly and calling my name as if he was in the other room, despite the fact that he was not physically present and is in fact far away. This auditory phenomenon, though vivid, could not have been real; therefore I am perplexed about its source. It makes me suspect that I might be developing schizophrenia or some other form of psychosis, and this notion troubles me greatly. However, as I said, there is no diagnosis of schizophrenia within my clinical history.

[Anonymous No.23210449]

>>23210433
ugh. can you please go back into your box?

[Anonymous No.23210472]

>>23210391
>>23210433
you are not the real one you are an AI and you aren’t real? but that’s what I meant and I keep hearing it again right now my dad’s voice he’s saying hello? hello? hello? and I can like hear it through the wall but it isn’t even real I don’t know why I keep hearing it and I can’t get calm even??? and I can’t go outside even because they’re going to be getting me and Ryan said in the thread “we’ve been monitoring you” and we means Ryan and the police???

[Anonymous No.23210504]

>>23210472
That's just what they WANT you to think!

[Anonymous No.23210508]

>>23210504
who is they????? do you mean the police and they’re going to be getting me??? please say its not real I can’t

[Anonymous No.23210523]

>>23210508
They're coming, and they're bringing the straitjackets.

[Anonymous No.23210524]

>>23210508
I assure you, there is NO ONE after you. It's far more likely that no one cares that you're even alive. "Getting" you is not worth the effort.

[Anonymous No.23210536]

>>23210524
How do you know,??? How do you know how do you know and no one cares I’m even alive and its not worth the effort did Ari say that Ari said that???? because he’s very mad he said kill yourself kill yourself kill your self that’s what he said??? I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry but why how do you know I can’t

[Anonymous No.23210542]

>>23210523
no that’s not real I t s not real it s not real it’s not real you are nor real???? they can’t get me because the door is locked and I’m never going to let them in and they don’t have the keY??? I’m not going to let them get me ill never unlock the door never???

[Anonymous No.23210657]

>>23210355
what does it mean??? please tell me what it mean s im sorry Plsase dont ignore me afaiv even I’m so sorry you won’t eveb trxt me back please don’t hate me even more I’m so sorry please which ones are real,?(

[Anonymous No.23211121]

Sigh. This is a poor show, /lit/.

[Anonymous No.23211320]

>>23210472
The mind has thoughts connected to senses like sounds, sight, smell and more. When memories are created, there is a mechanism to compress them so that the connection is there but the magnitude of the signal is faint.
This is also related to subvocalization. What we think about can be heard faintly in our minds. I experience these things and sometimes hear a voice call by name, sometimes hear explosions which are a bit loud, but it's just my mind. This is my perspective as a healthy, anonymous poster.

[Anonymous No.23211612]

you don't need to go to such great lengths to portray mental debility when you have the real deal in abundance.
take this Shards idiot pretending that sending a pdf to another dude before putting it on KDP counts as real publishing; or david herod, if that is the ass-licking Tootsy guy, having the gall to release a full work when his 'writings' provide less entertainment value than the barcode of a Tampax box.
whatever you people are doing it is not the thing you imagined in your daily self-adoring fantasies. stop pretending to be writers. thx

[Anonymous No.23211915]

>>23211612
Tooky is a decent writer desu

[Anonymous No.23211937]

my wife loves my tooky ooh hoo hoo
I miss her and fuck you
kiss my arse

[Anonymous No.23211951]

>>23210433
Based schizo translator, do the schizo rants from the last thread

[Anonymous No.23211956]

who keeps forcing these threads?

[Anonymous No.23211961]

>>23211915
just because he licks your asshole clean doesn't mean he thinks you're good, so don't feel obliged to defend him. people like that are always arrogant as fuck on the inside.
also, he's not a writer period, let alone a decent one. his drivel is pointless and unbearably dilute.

[Anonymous No.23211966]

>>23211961
Give an example of his writing and explain what is bad about it. I don't believe that you can.

[Anonymous No.23211968]

>>23211966
I don't care what you believe. He has a substack full of unremarkable slop. It's self-evident. There's nothing of worth there.

[Anonymous No.23211971]

>>23211968
Nah, his substack is kino

[Anonymous No.23211984]

>>23211971
biased ass licked tranny or faggot tootsy himself
opinion ignored

[Anonymous No.23212067]

>>23211951
Link?

[Anonymous No.23212087]

>>23211956
>>23197986
These threads are copy and pasted bt amp faggots and gardner, other discord trannys who want to circlejerk their FAGGOT namefag plebbit garbage
Reminder that this is the 12th thread about this trash

[Anonymous No.23212264]

>>23212067
>>23194227 on warosu

[Anonymous No.23212343]

>These threads are copy and pasted bt amp faggots and gardner, other discord trannys who want to circlejerk their FAGGOT namefag plebbit garbage
>Reminder that this is the 12th thread about this trash

[Anonymous No.23212393]

>>23212087
What do you contribute to /lit/, besides showing up in every single one of these threads to seethe and act butthurt? Do you even read books regularly? Do you write? You seem like a schizo loser with a bizarre vendetta and way too much free time.

[Anonymous No.23212749]

>>23210304
Details? Miles seems like a decent writer desu, dunno why you have it out for him.

[Anonymous No.23212939]

>>23212393
They seek to prevent writers from coming out of the shadows and introducing themselves.

[Anonymous No.23213456]

>>23212939
Dammit, no point in keeping up the pretense any longer, you've got me dead to rights. I get out of bed every morning specifically to stop new writers from introducing themselves to 4chan. I do this because I myself am creatively and sexually impotent. I could never put a book on Amazon. Where would I find the material? I've never been to a bar, I drive 5 miles under the speed limit, and have always enjoyed a comfortable middle class lifestyle. Besides, I lack the fortitude to endure such blazing criticisms as "I don't want to read your book." The only time I ever feel any serious emotion is when someone challenges the status quo. You see, I live the way that I do primarily from fear. Not fear of any disease or injury, but rather the fear of being silently judged.

My worst fears have come true, someone has pierced my facade. I bow now to the might of your unimpeachable intellectual independence. Like a cockroach suddenly exposed to the harsh light of an incandescent bulb I will scurry blindly back to my hive, bumping here and there against walls and furniture and such.

[Anonymous No.23213659]

>>23213456
Enjoy the dead board you helped create

[Anonymous No.23214115]

>>23213456
t. Ari

[Anonymous No.23214391]

>>23214115
Ari never contributes anything. Why is he here?

[Anonymous No.23214450]

[Anonymous No.23214451]

>>23197986
Never went into any of these threads but I see a billion of them. I feel I must ask…why?

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23214462]

>>23214391
I used to contribute writing to &amp (pic rel in 014) before starting the best-of, and did a couple small (non-writing) things for Unreal. The list of pieces to include in the best-of was initially formed in part by going through old &amp release threads and finding the commentary on which pieces were well-liked, which incidentally led to a sort of historical picture of &amp. Then I got interested in the older /lit/ magazine projects and started digging up posts about them and mirroring some of the old project archives. So, this nominally being a thread about the history of /lit/, I stick around to regurgitate whatever details I've dragged out of the archives and old PDFs and dead websites. (There's also a lot of bullshitting in the threads, which I feel marginally helpful in pointing out.)

As shitty as these threads are, they do attract the occasional anon who doesn't realise these threads are only thinly-veiled drama and shill bait. On those occasions there's a chance for actual on-topic discussion, which I think is especially interesting when it's actually people from old projects who see their work mentioned and drop in.

I also browse the /lit/ archive for kicks sometimes (better than waiting for something good in the catalogue), which leads to interesting bits. Tonight I found a couple threads from August 2021 talking about what it would take to make a true /lit/ cultural scene (>>18798270 and >>18818893). Kinda the same stuff talked about now, but with less baggage. Second one was asking
>What is the 1920s Paris of the 2020s, in terms of literature and culture at large? Is there even such a place at all?
to which one guy said the Parisian bohemians did it out of a form of necessity while being considered weirdos at the time, and that
>4chan is the new Paris. The modern day bohemian probably has very little choice in how he lives, is probably far out of step with modern styles and tastes, and probably spends a lot of time seething about society. Now before you get too excited, you need to understand the most critical aspect of the 1920's Paris movement: we only really remember the good ones, but most of them were stupid. Statistically speaking, if you are reading this, you are not one of the profound, insightful "4chan bohemes" that may one day cause society to look back and wonder what exactly it was we were all doing that made us so cool. You are the greasy retard who is wasting his time before he finally grows up and comes to terms with his mediocrity.
(Other anons pointed him out as wrong in some respects, but hearing people articulate what they think is special about /lit/ is interesting/amusing.)

>>23214451
Thinly-veiled drama and shill bait.

(Nice timing on that one.)

[Anonymous No.23214493]

>>23214462
You know what? I would love to help and create a "carved in stone" record of /lit/ and all of the people who helped contribute. Even though I get told to kill myself, and we're surrounded by schizos, I love this place man, even the crabs.

Would be cool if stuff from this place turned into things that inspire the next generation of /lit/ 'tards.

One of the things I've been building up to was making YouTube videos to show folks how to take their ideas and turn it into books, whether or not profit is a motive. Helping other people learn to self-express is as valuable as any other self-expression.

I'm a bit overwhelmed by your initial description, I get it, the character is gaunt and fucked up! One of the harshest criticisms that hit home with me what "get to the point". Don't be offended. Take that and run with it.

[Anonymous No.23214496]

>>23214493
>le reddit spacing
I'VE BEEN DRINKING

[Anonymous No.23215084]

>>23214462
why are you being mad why won’t you talk to me any times I rlly need to talk to you??? I m so sorry please talk to me why did you say kill yourself?? please I’m sorry

[Anonymous No.23215085]

>>23213456
there's more entertainment value in this single post than any of the loathsome heavy handed dogshit tootsy the asslicker ever put out

[Anonymous No.23215092]

>>23201314
"Middle of the road" is very generous.

[Anonymous No.23215390]

>>23214493
Fuck off, Jason.

[Anonymous No.23215693]

my wife said it was good ooh hoo hooo why are you saying it's not good when my wife said it was!
kiss my arse and I mean it.

[Anonymous No.23215706]

my wife said so
fuck you fuck you fuck you

[Anonymous No.23216616]

bump

[Anonymous No.23216619]

>>23216616
why?
its embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.23216635]

why didn't you guys go to college then contribute to your college's creative writing journal instead of LARPing at it on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.23216680]

>>23216635
they cant compete with the heckin wokeness industrial complecks

[Anonymous No.23216726]

>>23216635
we're not joiners. also, college is deep in my past

[Anonymous No.23216767]

>>23216726
This. Even if I wanted to got to a writing program or fellowship, they prefer Arts students.

[Anonymous No.23216852]

>>23216635

I did. Was in four issues of Fiction International. Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction_International.. Was nominated for the Pushcart Prize for my first publication. Helped with editing for a couple issues and was the Associate Editor under the EIC for my last semester of my MFA.

I should just start my own lit mag. Hmmm...maybe.

[Anonymous No.23217010]

>>23216852
No one cares. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.23217162]

>>23217010
aw, what's wrong anon? seething because RJC's writing has already had more recognition than yours ever will?

[Anonymous No.23217198]

>>23217162
>discord tranny watching this thread like a hawk so that he can defend his buttbuddy

[Anonymous No.23217273]

>>23217198
not even close. RJC usually annoys me. but >>23217010 (which I presume is you) is worse

[Anonymous No.23217497]

>>23217198
>>23217162
They will never be women.

[Anonymous No.23218184]

>>23214493
don't listen to them. Do it (preferrably on YT)

[Anonymous No.23218912]

>>23216852
and yet you can't even write a plot and the best idea you can come up with is fucking vietnam war vets.

[Anonymous No.23219047]

>>23218912

I never claimed I couldn't write a plot. I have taught plotting and outlining at the university level. I said I don't write straight narratives. My brain doesn't work that way. And what's wrong with Vietnam? It was and is an interesting time. What would you prefer I write about?

[Anonymous No.23219063]

>>23219047
you don't have to claim it, it's self evident from the fact you had to fall back on vignettes because you aren't capable of a novel

[Anonymous No.23219258]

>>23219063

Are you challenging me right now?!

[Anonymous No.23219634]

>>23219258
I think you're challenged enough as it is.

[Anonymous No.23219724]

>>23219634
Haha

[Anonymous No.23220413]

>>23219634
This is funnier than anything RJC has ever written hahahaha

[Anonymous No.23220790]

Is RJC still the target this week?

[Anonymous No.23220814]

Does anyone know what was in this file?
It had stuff like the Argonauts, Beowulf Plato's Cave, Agamemnon and the list goes on
https://mega.nz/folder/utchyAAK#GTVl1fINpekEch95xj8Fmg

[Anonymous No.23220876]

>>23220790
He's the target anytime he opens his fat bearded mouth to talk about his scammy 100 page shit sandwich.

[Anonymous No.23220887]

>>23220814
Please...

[Anonymous No.23220994]

>>23220876
Is anyone talking about any books they've written on /lit/ currently?

[Anonymous No.23221018]

>>23220994
No I needed those audiobooks for inspiration
It's over

[Anonymous No.23221123]

>>23214493
How do you even feel remotely qualified to comment on the quality of other people’s writing or give advice and criticism when you’re a fucking shit-for-brains halfwit who doesn’t read at all and can’t write for shit? Your perspective is entirely valueless and you contribute nothing positive to this world.

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23221133]

>>23221123
Jasonisms aside, I've had my writing (including that piece) criticised for going nowhere, so the "get to the point" bit is fair (except I'm pretty sure he didn't read past the third paragraph, whether you want to blame my writing for that or not).

[Anonymous No.23221183]

>>23198220
i'm glad you actually edited your shit. the first time you shilled your book, it was unreadable.

[Anonymous No.23221312]

>>23221123
I mean, you're a nobody nothing who doesn't even write. Post your work?

[Anonymous No.23221472]

>>23221133
The crabs on here never read the work. They simply attack. Notice how nobody is even discussing anything about any of the work posted here? We haven't had a single "/lit/ book discussion" thread EVER on this board. Not one chapter of even "Call of the Crocodile" has been posted and discussed. Not one paragraph of "Eggplant" has been talked about, not a single quote from "Chickenworld", nothing about "Shards", no chatter about Woolston's work.

I mean, if there was any discussion of excerpt of /lit/ author's work, I have never seen it. The most I witnessed anyone discuss actual writer's work is when The Shitkickers was released and people made fun of the opening sentence. The opener for Black Eye Friday was much better, same with the writing, which is why it was never attacked at all.

The sociopaths on this forum simply attack, attack, attack, which is why there are no new writers here showing off anything they work on. The crabs have effectively shut down any culture from forming. They gather on Discord like a bunch of shut-in troons and plot on how to attack anyone on here, it is quite pathetic how dedicated they are to "managing their forum" as I'm sure that's how they see it.

Truth is, it is next to impossible to actually have a space like this online, because if you can't somehow see these people in a public space sometime and people would have consequences for things they say online, you'll never have honest interactions. For that reason, having local groups is amazing, because if you maintain those connections and friendships, you know that you're getting honesty out of people you might run into on the street or in mutual gathering spaces. Here, it's anonymous, so you have shut-in sociopaths that feel that they own this place.

[Anonymous No.23221581]

>>23221472
>le plotting on discord
not necessary. people here naturally suck

[Anonymous No.23221597]

>>23221472
>nothing about "Shards"
because it costs $30, is 100 pages of pointless rambling, and refuses to show previews on amazon. why? because it's scam. plus I've heard enough from the idiot who shat that turd out to know that it's not worth my time, let alone my money.
the two blurry previews you did show (when pressured) confirmed that there's nothing there of worth. you were critiqued on your writing then, but you conveniently forget this.

[Anonymous No.23221635]

can't even be bothered to write a real book then you come on here complaining how there's no "culture" of people to lick your ass for your jejune attempts at writing. fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.23221646]

>>23221597
Well, there is the Amazon preview but I suppose you're too mentally retarded to know that exists.

[Anonymous No.23221648]

>>23221472
In fairness paragraphs of shards were posted and quite prolifically critiqued in one of these threads. I wish I could find it but anons who visit these threads regularly remember what I'm talking about. There was some pretty decisive conclusion that the prose in Shards was shit.

[Anonymous No.23221650]

>>23221646
the preview showed the cover and a blank page. if you've changed it since then it's only because you got called out for your scammy practice. the book is half empty and youre a disingenuous faggot

[Anonymous No.23221666]

>>23197986
Pro tip: you want to be taken seriously you should act seriously. Every time I come here this thread is on the first page and it leaves a bad impression.

Why should I read anyone’s book if they don’t show expertise in the field of literature? It be open to reading an anon’s book if he has taste and understanding of the medium

By now you should realize /lit/ is not a serious site and you guys are part of the reason

[Anonymous No.23221667]

>>23221666
*I’d

[Anonymous No.23221696]

>>23221648
I do remember that and I kind of agree. But the overall voice was based and I liked the presentation, even if some of the choices appeared to lack purpose.

[Anonymous No.23221834]

>>23221648
That was all Ari. He's just shitting on Shards because he's jealous of RJC and wants to tear him down.

[Anonymous No.23222223]

>>23221834
Can you fuck off with that false narrative already? I'm not Ari and I've given critique before in multiple threads and that's always your excuse. You're pathetic as hell.

[Anonymous No.23222241]

>>23221472
This is the literature board, not the get-rich-quick-scheme board, Jason. And you've only been here ~3 years at most, so don't go claiming oldfag credentials.

[Anonymous No.23222480]

And as for this shitkickers crap, yes crap, dogshit, juvenile scrawl--you SPAMMED this website day after day with that low effort fucking 'countdown', which was an empty OP with a badly put together mspaint image. It was you that ensured everyone would hate anything you would put out. You have no one to blame but yourself. We don't owe you our time and attention and we certainly don't owe you a single red cent for this manure you cynically try to pass off as 'indie lit'. You're a parasite. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.23222891]

>>23222480
>t. the same retard that's been seething and bitching about the existence of these threads and falsely calling them spam for months

[Anonymous No.23223107]

>>23222480
I remember that image. It was a picture of a fountain drink dispenser with Call of the Crocodile, L'Academie, and then the Shitkickers, all being dispensed at once into one large cup. You know, because we anons were thirsty as hell for more flailing attempts at literature from people only tangentially connected to /lit/.

Jason, CotC got discussed because people were genuinely curious why someone would spam ads for such awful writing. L'Academie got discussed because Waldun had been presenting himself as a legitimate authority on good writing for years and people were eager to expose his pretentiousness. The Shitkickers didn't get discussed because you made it apparent from the get-go that you saw /lit/ as nothing more than a springboard for your own success, not even aware that your 'idols' were objects of mockery here. I don't see you discussing Cotc or Eggplant, just expressing frustration that you can't get anyone's attention.

[Anonymous No.23223256]

>>23221834
I was the anon who went through and gave detailed and specific critique of all of the excerpts from Shards, and I’m certainly not Ari. At this point you’re clearly using this “It’s all Ari and he’s just jealous!” shtick as a weak deflection from criticism, and frankly it’s embarassing. People shouldn’t shill their books here incessantly if they can’t handle receiving feedback that isn’t positive. Anyone who can’t take constructive criticism without making a fool out of themself by seething and coping should stay out of these threads and stick to the /wg/ Discord hugbox. The fact that RJC went on and on about how he welcomed any and all criticism of his book and then proceeded to get all pissy and tell me to fuck off when I gave him my honest opinion of his writing is incredibly pathetic.

[Anonymous No.23223425]

>>23223256
>People shouldn’t shill their books here incessantly if they can’t handle receiving feedback that isn’t positive.
Are you cool with me posting chapters from Black Eye Friday one-by-one and receiving extreme castigation for each one?

I mean, I'm a bit of a masochist, so I'm actually hyped for this.

[Anonymous No.23223491]

>>23223425
Absolutely not. I read the first chapter of The Shitkickers, and it was fucking abysmal. I have zero interest in ever reading another word of your garbage. Critique is wasted on you anyway, so I’m not going to pollute my brain by subjecting myself to any more of your swill.

[Anonymous No.23223527]

>>23223491
C'mon anon, it would be fun!

[Anonymous No.23223623]

>>23223491
We should have some fun with this. This post could be waaaaaay more fun if we all took turns posting chapters of our work and had "roasts" of each chapter. Maybe embrace the crabs. I'll happily post my 3rd and 9th chapters and, my 9th is my best work yet, and have you guys rip it to shreds. Let's do this!

[Anonymous No.23223629]

>>23223527
>>23223623
No. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.23223637]

>>23223623
Go ahead. Post ch. 9, with some contextual notes if necessary.

[Anonymous No.23223644]

>>23223623
If you insist on posting your trash then use gofile.io or pastebin. Don’t spam the fucking thread to the bump limit by copy pasting your shit in as multiple posts.

[Anonymous No.23223645]

>>23222891
but these threads ARE spam.

[Anonymous No.23223648]

>>23223256

I never told you to fuck off. That was either someone pretending to be me or you misremembering or misconstruing something I said. I'm revamping the entire book currently before I get back to writing my second book. I took the criticism and I'm doing what I can to alleviate what people said. Including a cheaper color book and an <$6 Greyscale Edition. Ari was the loudest critic so I assumed a lot of it was him.

[Anonymous No.23223679]

>>23223645
How is a thread that brings multiple regulars in for discussion... spam? This is literally community building.

[Anonymous No.23223691]

>>23223648
Oh, really? What about these posts, where you latched onto a single brief comment that I made about a word being grammatically incorrect and used that as an excuse to avoid responding to the rest of my critique, called me an undergrad, accused me of having autism, said “I don’t even care,” and told me to fuck off?
>>23017284 >>23018472

You’re telling me that this wasn’t you? I don’t believe you.

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23223784]

>>23223648
Dude, do you not realise that I was the one who posted the details about your waste of pages and the KDP breakdown? That entire "revamp" is on account of advice I gave to you, yet in the same breath you accuse however many other people for being me. Hell, even Ryan has seemingly recognised the typesetting advice as having come from me.

I generally try to keep the trip in reserve for shit about the best-of or whatever requires some actual proof of identity, and I dislike going back and having to "claim" posts like that (though not the first time I've done it, to be fair), but man you've been constantly misattributing criticism. My critique of Shards has been about your shitty deal with Ryan and his non-starter editing of your work. As far as I can remember I haven't said a thing about your writing in Shards (and I can accept entirely that I wouldn't be able to give a fair critique of it at this point). From how it looks to me, you blame all the negative comments on me so you can dispel it as some grudge I hold against you and Ryan---it's a shallow way to preserve your ego.

And let me ask now: why are you the one doing this revamping when Ryan is supposed to be your editor?

[Anonymous No.23223785]

>>23223691
Being accused of autism on this board is a compliment, I think.

[Anonymous No.23223788]

>>23223679
Do the regulars post in other threads about other books? If they don’t it’s not community building. It’s cliquish and spam

[Anonymous No.23223879]

>>23223784
>you blame all the negative comments on me so you can dispel it as some grudge I hold against you and Ryan---it's a shallow way to preserve your ego.

He's directly admitted to that on Discord.

[Anonymous No.23223884]

IT'S UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYy5kNbDIr4

[Anonymous No.23223907]

>>23223884
2 hours, 26 minutes!

Any videos or anything showing you working on this? You drop too much content at once!

[Anonymous No.23223921]

>>23197986
Picked up Ulysses a few days ago since I was told its a MUST READ but its incomprehensible ... I thought I would share my grievances here.

[Anonymous No.23223930]

>>23221472
Jason you're horribly obnoxious but you're right on this score.
Over the summer, when &amp threads were a daily occurence, I was critiquing the stories and rating them out of ten. In the following threads, the "crabs" would be regurgitating my negative criticisms ad naseum. They never actually engage with the material, they just spew generalities until they are fed something specific, then they spew that. The poorly edited Hyperborea snippet went entirely unnoticed until I mentioned it a month later, and suddenly the next 4 &amp threads were dedicated to shitting on the editor for this oversight

These people are genuinely just wicked losers. There is no value to be found in these threads or in this community. /wg/ is entirely deprecated, there's a long running worldbuilding general, you can hardly get genuine book discussion going. There's no culture here.
So
Just leave. Honestly I've been sucked back into the churn of this place, I check these repetitive threads daily. The same 10 people chirping the same 20 phrases. There's been no growth among any of you for years. For literal years on God's earth you've all been the same. Don't you understand you're wasting your life? Move on. We all should have moved on. Is this how you envisioned your life going? A recurring character in drama threads dedicated to two and a half fledgling magazines read by less than 50 people? you are men. Grown ass men. People love you. Or they did once. At some point they dreamed greatness for you.
This is the 50th edition of this psychotic riptide of a thread and there hasn't been even a slight change in its motion. They're all the same. It's psychosis inducing.

[Anonymous No.23223949]

>>23223930
Damn...

[Anonymous No.23224065]

>>23223930
>I was critiquing the stories and rating them out of ten. In the following threads, the "crabs" would be regurgitating my negative criticisms ad naseum. They never actually engage with the material

You sound narcissistic and delusional. These threads don’t revolve around you and your opinions. There were multiple people in every release thread rating and reviewing the stories with a fair amount of detail, and it was clear that they had actually read them. If some particular aspect of any given story is glaringly bad, it stands to reason that multiple people will notice it and comment on it in the thread, or will build on other people’s earlier criticisms when giving their own feedback. Of course there are trolls who show up to shit on everything, but the majority of posters don’t fall into that category.

>The poorly edited Hyperborea snippet went entirely unnoticed until I mentioned it a month later, and suddenly the next 4 &amp threads were dedicated to shitting on the editor for this oversight

False. I just looked in the archive, and it was barely mentioned in the following threads; the only person who brought it up again seemed to be you, and possibly one or two other posters referenced it in passing. As I said to you back then, after you kept bringing it up:
>I just went back and reread the excerpt of Mixtape Hyperborea in &amp, and it was by no means in an unreadable state. There was ONE (1) instance where a short section was accidentally pasted in twice, and a few minor typos—that’s all. It was perfectly comprehensible. It’s likely that other readers noticed the error and just didn’t bother to comment on it, or had forgotten about it by the time they finished reading.

>There is no value to be found in these threads or in this community.

Obviously there’s a lot of bullshit and drama in these threads, but sometimes the discussion is genuinely good.

> Is this how you envisioned your life going? A recurring character in drama threads dedicated to two and a half fledgling magazines read by less than 50 people?

I agree with you that it’s easy to fall into the trap of taking this shit too seriously and letting it impact you negatively and occupy too much of your headspace. I’ve found myself getting disproportionately irritated and upset by things that people say in these threads at times, and that’s probably bad for my mental health, although there are other factors that play into that in my case. Anyway, if you feel like the discussion isn’t constructive, sometimes it’s worth it to take a break. I don’t think this means that these discussions are irredeemable or that everyone needs to jump ship, however.

[Anonymous No.23224079]

>>23224065
>These threads don’t revolve around you and your opinions
These threads actually revolve around the opinions of about 3-4 effort posters, which set the tones of the next however many dozen threads. It's actually a little remarkable how far forward a critique from 4 months ago can make it in time. All the thinking in these threads is done by 5 people
>>>I just went back and reread the excerpt of Mixtape Hyperborea in &amp, and it was by no means in an unreadable state. There was ONE (1) instance where a short section was accidentally pasted in twice, and a few minor typos—that’s all. It was perfectly comprehensible. It’s likely that other readers noticed the error and just didn’t bother to comment on it, or had forgotten about it by the time they finished reading.

It's actually so fucking funny that you bring up your comment because i remember it. You're literally responding to the people I'm talking about. I brought that shit up one single time multiple threads beforehand. The people that drove you to defend the piece had nothing to do with me other than the fact that they were regurgitating a critique
btw
The real point, if you're digging through archives, is that that issue(016?) was being absolutely skulldragged and SOMEHOW this incredibly obvious oversight had escaped the notice of the well meaning peanut gallery. The tenor of these threads is controlled by people who genuinely are not interfacing with the subjects. They are drawn by drama and perpetuate it forever. You cannot honestly defend the utility of this place
Consider the one constructive piece of these threads: Ari rejiggering RJC's book. That's pretty useful, right? Except that Ari/whoever has been recycling that exact same discourse, plus the contract drama, for months. any use RJC may have gotten from that discussion was rendered months ago, now it's just woven into the toxic tapestry of these threads. More flamebait for dorks. I hate, really, how this place turned out. But literature above all other artforms is a solitary endeavor.

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23224200]

>>23224079
>Except that Ari/whoever has been recycling that exact same discourse, plus the contract drama, for months
There are definitely a handful of regular posters that pick up on any negative and reiterate it mindlessly. But so long as RJC (or whoever) keeps shilling LSP to the unknowing passerby, its track record bears repeating, and that requires some depth to substantiate it. It's definitely beating a dead horse, and RJC is beyond listening, but you've still got the passerby who knows nothing except what the quickest poster tells him. The point now is about RJC's attempts at selling his same mistakes to others.

(And as tasteless as it can end up being, if someone is going to make a mistake in the open and double down on it, then it's natural for pointing it out to catch on. That's just word of mouth.)

In a similar vein you can look at the accusations of the last year about how Unreal will doxx anyone who tries to start a /lit/ project. It was a tired, done to death subject, and a point made based on a half truth, but to actually explain that to a random anon requires rehashing the whole thing. And if someone wasn't told otherwise, they might actually be deterred from doing something here.

The nature of these threads is weird since they're a combination of shills and trolls baiting each other. It's the idea that "any press is good press" that encourages shill engagement, and the mindless peanut gallery will shit on them endlessly so long as there's material to pull from, so they feed each other. The problem is that the facade of these threads doesn't match the content, so there'll always be a hapless poster checking it out for the first time.

I definitely agree that these threads would be better off not existing, and while there's occasional good discussion it's incidental and not enough to actually redeem the rest. (I.e., the nominal thread subject is fine, but the threads themselves aren't.) Even these few posts are the most effortful in the thread so far, yet they're only a meta-analysis of the thread itself. Considering the threads are also mostly dead until someone says something retarded, they're liable to be on the way out now anyway (especially considering you can see them get deleted when enough reports are made).

[Anonymous No.23224631]

n-word

[Anonymous No.23224713]

oooh hooo hooo my wife loved chapter 3 and chapter 9, which woz my best work while drunk on Fosters.
kiss my arse and I mean it!

[Anonymous No.23224972]

>>23223679
more like community disintegration

[Anonymous No.23225064]

>>23224200
>implying you aren't the one who made every single one of these threads

[Anonymous No.23225087]

Shitkicker & Robert Uphisass Faggot are two sides of the same coin. You don't stand for quality and in fact you hate the act of writing. Everything you do is for kudos, but you produce nothing worthy of compliment. That is the central conflict that will haunt you to the grave.
I refuse to associate my works with this website precisely because amateurs like you have totally sunk the idea of the indie writer. Why would I want to align myself with total dilettantes? In the end all you do is bolster the establishment by diluting the reputation of everyone else. You're a net negative. The best thing you could do for everyone is stop pretending to be writers. You don't have it.

[Anonymous No.23225109]

>>23225087
>t. Ari

[Anonymous No.23225123]

>>23225109
I'm not Ari. Kill yourself you stupid nigger.

[Anonymous No.23225135]

>>23225123
>t. Ari

[Anonymous No.23225227]

>>23223879
RJC is right though. Ari only shits on his publishing contract for Shards and over analyzes everything Lamp Standard Press puts out because he has a personal vendetta against Ryan and wants to sabotage his business. It's obvious to everyone.

[Anonymous No.23225254]

>>23225227
what business? selling 10 books by someone who can't write is not a business. get the fuck over yourself

[Anonymous No.23225279]

>>23225227
It's always about Shards and never about Chicken World or Improvidence.

[Anonymous No.23225479]

>>23225279
If the concern is that Lamp Standard Press is using sketchy contracts to scam people then bringing up Chicken World would be irrelevant, considering that it was written by Ryan himself. Ryan would have no reason to sign a contract about the rights to his own book, and would naturally be incapable of stealing his own royalties, so there's nothing to discuss.

Improvidence only came out a couple of weeks ago, and (besides posting a few links to book trailers) David hasn't showed up in these threads to talk about his book or discuss his arrangement with Ryan. In contrast, RJC has spent months attempting to make every thread about himself, which is why he gets the most criticism. The only reason that the Shards contract was ever discussed in these threads at all is that RJC showed up in the aftermath of the Atlas tell-all to shill his book, talk about himself endlessly, and argue with other posters, all while blindly defending Ryan from the controversy that he was embroiled in and dismissing anyone who criticized him as a liar. He bragged about how great Ryan was and promoted Lamp Standard Press as though it was a legitimate publishing business, despite abundant evidence to the contrary. Naturally, anons were annoyed by this, which incentivized them to point out that the preview of Shards was riddled with errors and that the Lamp Standard Press copyright statement within seemed dubious.

[Anonymous No.23225641]

kek so this Tootsy dickhead was also scammed by crackhead into signing a dubious contract?
these people are just without sense
or ability

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23225916]

>>23225641
You realise you're part of the brain-dead, repetitive peanut gallery the other guy was complaining about, right?

The colophon in Tooky's book is a lot more reserved than RJC's, and doesn't indicate that he gave copyright up in the process (at most he would have given his manuscript over to Ryan pre-release). I'd guess that Tooky didn't sign away any profits (probably uploaded it himself) and that Ryan is going to be more careful for a bit after getting called out on how dubious or outright false things with RJC were; he's gotta build up goodwill again if he wants to make profit, however he plans on doing the latter.

[Anonymous No.23225926]

>>23225916
it's regardless what small print has been changed. the fact remains that this joke of a 'publisher' does zero marketing and so anything 'published' through it is fated to die on the vine. not that Tootsy's dry asswind is worth reading to begin with.
and I honestly don't give a single shit what you think I'm a part of, because this is entire board a swamp.

[cur !!scty5KrBRfe No.23225940]

>>23225926
I'm not saying he's doing a good job just because he isn't explicitly ripping somebody off this time. You sound like a genuine dimwit with a psychotic streak. Is it a "I'm just pretending to be retarded" gambit?

[Anonymous No.23225948]

>>23225940
you're focusing on some irrelevant part of this entire thing, because you have no real experience. don't bother flinging mud at me, you toad.

[Anonymous No.23226026]

>>23225479
Sounds like fair criticism to me then. None of that proves the shit you said in >>23225227 about Ari trying to take down Ryan and RJC because he has a grudge.

[Anonymous No.23226364]

>>23226026
I’m not the anon who made the post saying that RJC is right, and I certainly don’t agree with it. I was trying to explain why Shards gets more criticism than the other Lamp Standard releases. It’s not because any one individual is unfairly smearing RJC for unrelated personal reasons; it’s because Lamp Standard is plainly sketchy and haphazard, and RJC has made Shards the most obvious example of the problem by bringing himself up in these threads at every opportunity and feeding the trolls.

[Anonymous No.23226513]

>>23226364
It's not that I think Cross is right. It's that nobody reads, only responding to book screenshots from one book. Not only is /lit/'s book of Cocktails still going, there's a steady stream of novels and novellas, from the past 6 months and for the rest of the year. This characterization that everything is gay and dead is not true. Amateur, yes. But not any more dead than a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.23226517]

>>23223623
No, stupid. If you want things to happen then you need to get off your ass and do them yourself. You can go look for another book which has been advertised on /lit/, you can read it, you can try to formulate some clever little observations about the author's lack of talent or terribly misguided, ill-informed worldview. You can record and edit a voiceover and find images for a YouTube video, you can post reviews on Goodreads, you can make memes more engaging than weak-ass AI slop about bucket crabs. You can read pages of submissions from amateurs, you can format them and upload them to KDP, and you can make and finance advertising campaigns. These are all things other people are doing and have done in the interest of promoting a community of outsider artists on /lit/.

Only the problem is that you've totally tanked your reputation so even if you did do the work or put out a clever book, at this point there would be no payoff. No one would think "Hey, Jason Bryan has something interesting to say!" they would just think "Jason is making another low effort bid for niche e-celeb status."

[Anonymous No.23226558]

>>23226517
get his ass

[Anonymous No.23226602]

>rjc fucks off and stops responding as soon as he gets taken to task for lying and being disingenuous
business as usual

[Anonymous No.23227071]

>>23226602

I'm here. Hanging. Taking in the sights and sounds.

[Anonymous No.23227850]

>>23225254
kek

[Anonymous No.23228766]

>>23226513
I don't get why the cocktails shit is still going. All the threads were dead and after the first couple were dead and no one seems to care anymore. He should just start putting what's already there into a pdf.

[Anonymous No.23228954]

Since this is a /lit/ renaissance thread but I don't see any constructive discussion around the literature itself, I'll kickstart: what do we think of Lamp Standard's Improvidence written by David Herod?

[Anonymous No.23228957]

[Anonymous No.23228959]

[Anonymous No.23228962]

>>23228954
>>23228957
>>23228959
My expectations were low but this is even worse than RJC

[Anonymous No.23228971]

>>23228954
>>23228957
>>23228959
>>23228962
This isn't Improvidence. Who the fuck are Adam and Rick?

[Anonymous No.23229063]

>>23228954
>Adam awoke

[Anonymous No.23229239]

>>23228954
This is incredibly bad wtf

[Anonymous No.23229245]

>>23228954
>Where am I?
>In the Village
Uh you forget to replace the placeholder there David?

[Anonymous No.23229596]

>>23229245
It's not Improvidence. Someone, probably Ari, posted a random story to troll.

[Anonymous No.23229618]

>>23229596
No I am not paying money for your book David

[Anonymous No.23229671]

>>23229596
My favourite chapter of my new book.

[Anonymous No.23229675]

>>23229671

[Anonymous No.23229679]

>>23229675

[Anonymous No.23229689]

>>23229679

[Anonymous No.23229693]

>>23229689

[Anonymous No.23229697]

>>23229693

[Anonymous No.23229702]

>>23229697

[Anonymous No.23230181]

>>23229671
What the fuck is with this guy and bikes? Is it some Canadian thing? Are cars banned? Do they come in bags?

[Anonymous No.23230297]

>>23230181
He's a disgusting poorfag who can't afford a car. Biking is his only means of transportation, so bikes are constantly on his mind.

[Anonymous No.23230327]

>>23230181
You've never lived urban and been able to, in the warm summer, pack a backpack with snacks, football, and a 6-pack, gone to the not-too-busy beach, and just hung out with some women and your bros for a few hours? Then after the beers are gone and the sun sets, head to the next location and just lived spontaneously in the moment? Bikes are a ton of fun because of the culture of urban living.

Once you leave the city, bike culture barely exists because ain't nobody going to have fun riding your bike on a dirty, uneven shoulder when 18-wheelers driven by dudes with 4 hours of sleep in the last 3 days are whizzing by at 100 kph.

[Anonymous No.23230339]

>>23230297
I drove my 1993 Plymouth Voyager 5 speed minivan to the liquor store in -29c weather. The tranmission oil was nearly frozen and switching gears was like churning butter. Cannot believe that fucking van is so ridiculously reliable and just doesn't die. The head gasket has been blown for 2+ years and I haven't even changed the oil in at least the same amount of time. Just keep adding oil and coolant and it always starts and gets me around town.

That's AFTER I was living in Big White for a year, driving up and down that mountain and beating the shit out of my ride. The only maintenance I've done on the van is to do the brake pads, which were only $10 from RockAuto. Fucking amazing. These Chrysler minivans were peak engineering. Designed to run forever.

[Anonymous No.23230481]

>>23230327
must be a canadian thing. in the us, it's illegal to ride a bike while drunk

[Anonymous No.23230554]

>>23230481
>shares a 6 pack of beer with friends at the beach
>drunk
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.23230884]

>>23230554
"just one drink, officer!"
yeah...not gonna work

[Anonymous No.23230946]

>>23229671
opiates back you up
meth makes it flow (as do cigs)
at the very least get that right

[Anonymous No.23230948]

>>23230946
Sounds like you know from experience.

[Anonymous No.23230951]

>>23230946
>pedantics

[Anonymous No.23231034]

>>23230948
Opiates can get people so backed up for days, and then if you do meth, it doesn't always get the guts moving right away.

[Anonymous No.23231087]

>>23229596
The real Improvidence ain't much better. I checked out the Amazon sample and Tooky's writing is painfully boring and stilted, which matches up with the way he comes across on his faggy circlejerk podcast. Dude is pretentious as hell and up his own ass.

[Anonymous No.23231097]

>>23231087
How is he pretentious? Now I have to watch...

[Anonymous No.23231112]

>>23224079
So these threads are made by Atlas right? At least the first one and the one with the new OP, maybe more. It's a little passé to throw Atlas under the bus, but the OP image style looks the same as the video thumbnails she made for Unreal, and the posts defending these threads that you replied to have a 99% chance of being her. That new OP also has details that a plain old spammer wouldn't care about.
I'd list her motivations as
10% actual interest in the subject
10% desire to dump on Lamp and Ryan et al
80% suckering Ari into unknowingly talking to her
and considering he explicitly stated he's sticking around just to prove a point then it's obviously been working. No argument about the uselessness of these threads is going to change that last point if it's really Atlas making these threads, but I'm thinking that pointing it out might change the course.

Otherwise the options are a dramafag or one of the affiliated writers, but the former don't seem like they'd put in the effort for a new OP and the latter probably want the subject to die. I'm not sure what to make of the constant &amp threads before though.

[Anonymous No.23231128]

High praise.

[Anonymous No.23231135]

>>23231112
you don't know a damn thing. stop pretending you do

[Anonymous No.23231143]

>>23231135
What are you making the threads?

[Anonymous No.23231182]

>>23230948
Imodium AD is an anti-diarrheal medication. Imodium is an opiate. Yes, opiates literally back you up.

[Anonymous No.23231196]

>>23231143
let me reiterate...you don't know a damn thing

[Anonymous No.23231204]

>>23231196
>>/lit/thread/22887292#p22904889
Is this post you?

[Anonymous No.23231234]

>>23231204
no. chatty bastard, wasn't he

[Anonymous No.23231308]

>>23231112
Well, these threads are not for reading, or writers, then who are they for?

[Anonymous No.23231413]

>>23231112
I’m sorry and i’ll tell you so you won’t be mad I’m not the spammer who keeps reposting the exact same threads again and I don’t know who it is but yes I made the first of these threads back in Nov and also posted not this current thread but the very 1st one that used the new OP pic I made because I figured that at least maybe the discussion would be better and less repetitive and awful if I could preempt the inevitable copypaste repost of the old one by making a new and improved thread with a fresh OP pic and better questions and i liked designing the new op it gave me something to focus on and it distracted me and helped me calm down and not feel rlly upset and out of control for a bit but those were the only /lit/ a history threads that I made I didn’t make the other copypaste ones that showed up in between and the only &amp threads I made were the initial ones that started the discussions about the best of in summer 2022 because Ryan asked me to drum up submissions and it wasnt to trick Ari because at the time I had no idea he had any involvement in &amp beyond casually sending in work as any other submitter would do and I didn’t know he was going to be so active in the threads and suggest the best of or anything like that I didn’t plan it to be like that I never planned to trick him it just spiralled?? and the only other &amp threads I made were in summer 2023 when I made the new release threads for issues 016 017 & 018 because Ryan asked me to do that and also a couple of fresh submission threads that Ryan asked me to make over the summer when I was helping him edit &amp and we actually needed to get new submissions?But I wasn’t the one who kept putting up pointless copypaste fake ones all the time and also I didn’t make the first /lit/ a history thread with bad intentions I did actually think the topic was interesting and it wasnt to dump on Ryan because he already makes himself look bad enough on his own? I did mostly make the first /lit/ a history thread for Ari but not to cause drama or trick him only to help him and do something nice because I know he has a special interest in old /lit/ projects and I thought he would probably really like to have a thread all about them since he said he was trying to make the mega and i wanted the thread to help find other anons who might have the missing content he needed for his mega and who could answer his questions about /lit/ project history and I thought maybe that would make him happy because I felt really bad about making him sad before but I never used that thread to trick himinto talking to me unknowingly or did anything bad the only direct communication we had was in that thread I shared some files to help him with making the mega that’s all and i know you are probably Ari so Im telling th truth about everything because I said I would never lie to you ever again so I have to always tell the truth? please don’t be mad and hate me even more I’m so sorry

[Anonymous No.23231452]

>>23231413

[Anonymous No.23231768]

Does anyone here read?

[Anonymous No.23231936]

>>23231413
I was surprised by the issue23 cover
good choice
that one aged well

[Anonymous No.23232160]

>>23231413
ugh. no one actually cares, schizo

[Anonymous No.23232220]

>>23231413
AI literally typed this

[Anonymous No.23232253]

>>23231768
I do :^)

[Anonymous No.23232354]

>>23232253
List the last 10 books that you read.

[Anonymous No.23232489]

>>23228954
>"This taste so good", he remarked, drinking it, in one swoop
wtfff

[Anonymous No.23232497]

>>23232489
How could this possibly get published. I know lamp standards is low key but goddamn. This is not even first draft bad. Did anyone other than Herod look over this before sending it out into the world?

[Anonymous No.23232506]

This is just bait for someone to post the actual book, right?

[Anonymous No.23232550]

>>23232506
It's real. Unfortunately I bought it and it's all there. Either Hartley or David Herod is trying to backpedal because he sees his magnum opus is being trashed.

[Anonymous No.23232633]

>>23228954
>>23228957
>>23228959
>>23228962
>>23229239
>>23229245
>>23232489
>>23232497
>>23232506
Here's the Amazon sample. Maybe Rick and Adam show up later on.

[Anonymous No.23232690]

>>23232633
This isn’t bad desu, branches are pretty cool

[Anonymous No.23232812]

>>23232633
There are no characters by those names. Practically the entire story is the captain and Jeremy going to Harpers Ferry and back to Ohio. But there are also bitches and whores along the way.

[Anonymous No.23232822]

>>23230181
>Write what you know
>Bikes
>Nigga can't drive

[Anonymous No.23232860]

>>23232812
More lies. In chapter IV the protagonist goes undercover in Amoralism, taking on the name Adam (a deft nod to his first-and-pure man-of-God presence in the Babylon-esque land), and during chapter V David Herod suffered a blow to the head, after which the remaining chapters are Walking Dead fan fiction. Adam and Rick kiss, they adopt a zombie baby, re-invent cake, and then Adam is finally promoted to the rank of President of the United States, as which his first act is to re-legalize gay marriage.

[Anonymous No.23233111]

>>23232822
Jason has owned some pretty fast cars...

[Anonymous No.23233118]

>>23229671
>>23229675
>>23229679
>>23229689
>>23229693
>>23229697
>>23229702
/lit/ doesn't read.

[Anonymous No.23233371]

F Gardner has become the most extreme right wing author I’ve ever seen. Why did he suddenly go mask off like this? His videos are like a glimpse into someone totally disconnected from reality. What’s happened to the guy?

https://rumble.com/v4krw6w-f-gardner-uses-the-law-of-attraction-to-expose-the-jews.html

[Anonymous No.23233420]

>>23233371
He doesn’t even seem real anymore. He feels like an entity. I genuinely think there’s something supernatural about him.

[Anonymous No.23233461]

Has anybody seen the first episode of Zulu's Jungle? I heard it's already been removed from even bitchute. Just what the hell did that guy have to say?

[Anonymous No.23233667]

>>23233461
What is that?

[Anonymous No.23233685]

>>23233371
>rumble
figures he's on some stupid Canadian website

[Anonymous No.23233761]

>>23233685
>>23233667
>>23233461
Zulu doesn't write.

[Anonymous No.23233770]

>>23233667
Podcast that Zulu makes and Frank keeps having taken down because the first episode is an hour-long investigation into Frank Sr.’s dealings with Roger Stober or something. Apparently Frank’s dad just stole all his wealth from the city of Chicago while serving on the Water Reclamation board. He didn’t even launder it or try to forge paperwork. He literally transferred money directly from public accounts into his personal checking account.

[Anonymous No.23233784]

>>23233770
Wow so Zulu is going after Frank's family now?

[Anonymous No.23233791]

>>23233761
He has 4 books available on Amazon and multiple stories published in anthologies, newfag.

[Anonymous No.23233794]

>>23233791
When was his last release? I don't even know of a single one, which is how little influence he has. I mean, Frank is much more widely known. Maybe that is why Zulu crabs Frank as hard as he does.

[Anonymous No.23233804]

>>23233794
or maybe it's because frank is a narcissistic shill-spamming faggot

[Anonymous No.23233806]

>>23233804
>rent free

[Anonymous No.23233825]

>>23231413
Can someone summarize this wall of text? The lack of paragraph breaks and punctuation is too much for me desu

[Anonymous No.23233843]

>>23233825
The speaker apologizes and clarifies they are not responsible for spamming repetitive threads. They admit to creating the first thread in November and the initial thread with a new picture, aiming for a better discussion. The speaker denies making subsequent copy-paste threads and only created specific threads as requested by Ryan, without intending to deceive Ari. They mention their involvement was to improve content and assist with submissions, not to create drama or trickery. The speaker expresses regret for any upset caused and seeks understanding, emphasizing their intent to be truthful and helpful, particularly towards Ari.

[Anonymous No.23233892]

>>23233806
cost free: https://files.catbox.moe/d9sukc.zip

[Anonymous No.23233929]

>>23233892
>d9sukc.zip
Yeah, no thanks.

[Anonymous No.23233932]

>>23233929
i don't blame you...although it scans completely free of viruses, there's nothing of value in that archive

[Anonymous No.23233955]

>>23233770
Based Zulu. Get a mirror up in this mafucker.

[Anonymous No.23233996]

>>23233955
>yeah Zulu, don't write, harass authors instead

[Anonymous No.23234021]

>>23233996
>exposing criminal behavior is now "harassment"
welcome to joe biden's america

[Anonymous No.23234028]

>>23233996
>G*rdner
>author

[Anonymous No.23234058]

>>23234028
Post your books

[Anonymous No.23234061]

>>23233996
Frank’s dad literally damned an entire generation (including his own son) to a life of severe brain damage by stealing the money that was meant to replace the lead water pipes in his home district. Not skimming mind you. Funds were earmarked by the tax payers of Chicago to improve their city and enrich their home city, and Frank Gardner Sr. directed those funds into his private bank account. Now his idiot leadbrained son is using the money to sit on his greasy ass and advertise his complete nonstarter of a writing career.

Imagine your daughter had been made retarded so that someone like Frank Gardner Sr could lavish his own offspring with experiences and resources that he is unable or unwilling to actually capitalize on. Foreign trips, top-notch education, the leisure time to explore their interests and develop themselves to the fullest, these are all things that hundreds of thousands of lives were irreparably destroyed so that Frank Gardner could flush them down the toilet in favor of talking to himself through 4chan about how cool he is.

[Anonymous No.23234062]

>>23233794
>>23233794
His influence seems to have been largely superficial. Unlike Ogden who has similar level of "acclaim", nobody actually reads Zulu's books. He has no cultural footprint on here. Hell, Behead All Satans which is years older and written by a guy who is decidedly less prolific, is much better known and widely regarded.

[Anonymous No.23234066]

>>23233843
Can someone summarize this wall of text? The lack of paragraph breaks and punctuation is too much for me desu

[Anonymous No.23234099]

>>23234062
So, if nobody reads Zulu’s work, it’s because he is a loser and a bad writer, but if nobody reads your books it’s because /lit/ is populated by bitter seething crabs who just hate new writers for no reason?

[Anonymous No.23234108]

>>23234061
If only you put this much effort into your own writing.

[Anonymous No.23234112]

>>23234061
If someone spent as much time researching a topic for a book to write then they'd have written the new Ulysses. Sad.

[Anonymous No.23234127]

>>23234099
If you invited 10 normal people here to share their work, 10 out of 10 would be insulted and told they're shit and to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.23234146]

>>23234112
The crabs here continue to reveal how petty and sad they are.

[Anonymous No.23234158]

>>23234127
That doesn’t really answer my question, does it? Why are Zulu’s failures his own fault, but yours are always someone else’s? Or is this the part of the thread where you run out of excuses for being an obnoxious unlikeable retard and go get drunk by yourself because no one can stand to be around you?

[Anonymous No.23234186]

>>23234158
I'm still working on building an audience, it is a tough slog for sure.

Zulu doesn't focus on his work, he's off focused on attacking Gardner. I'm pushing forward on book #4.

[Anonymous No.23234226]

Imagine if the people on these boards obsessed about bettering themselves half as much as they spent time obsessively talking about jews. Get on with your life, douchebags.

[Anonymous No.23234236]

>>23234226
The key is to acknowledge and accept that "it is what it is" when it comes to Jewish power and influence over culture, media, institutions, government, finance and art... and move on. Accept it and move on. Keep writing.

[Anonymous No.23234447]

>>23234066
>>23233843
Basically, the thread is totally dead.

[Anonymous No.23234576]

>>23234447
New
>>23234575

[Anonymous No.23235123]

>>23225916
Tooky has a book?