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[Anonymous No.23191419]

Thoughts on this book by cuck philosophy?
Is it possible to reconcile nietzsche and marx's philosophy? The author says nietzsche's philosophy is very similar to marx that both can be very easily aligned and he even claims that nietzsche and marx share similar goals...

[Anonymous No.23191429]

>>23191419
No idea, but it sounds gay and retarded.

[Anonymous No.23191432]

The Wobblies became obsessed with Ragnar Redbeard's Might Is Right and pushed it as a philosophy urging workers to be more militant.

https://www.unionofegoists.com/2019/05/30/ragnar-redbeard-and-the-industrial-workers-of-the-world/

[Anonymous No.23191435]

https://cosmonautmag.com/2024/03/the-antinomies-of-nietzschean-marxism/

[Anonymous No.23191437]

>>23191419
>possible to reconcile nietzsche and marx
>similar goals
anyone who has read a lick of either knows this is absolute bullshit. fucking laughable.
i was marxist for several years and have also read nietzsche.
never heard of this jonas ceika fellow but he sounds like a desperate hack. again, this is just absolute bullshit.
do NOT listen to left-nietzschians for this exact reason, anon. at best they are just retarded, at worst they are acting in bad faith and distorting nietzsche.
the core of marxism (marxism as an ideology and means of achieving socialism/communism -- not marxism as a mere economic analysis) is literally one of the best examples of slave morality we have today.

[Anonymous No.23191445]

>>23191435
>This reading and method of interpreting Nietzsche has grown popular on today’s Left, and was set by the academic trends that emerged in French philosophy after the Second World War among philosophers Georges Bataille, Michel Foucault, and Jacques Derrida.
that's all you need to know right there. the french philosophers were fucking retards and anyone telling you different has gone off the deep end.
do not trust these people

[Anonymous No.23191447]

The author is clearly a retard who didn't study Marx.

[Anonymous No.23191448]

>>23191437
>i was marxist for several years
What are you now?

[Anonymous No.23191459]

>>23191437
>never heard of this jonas ceika fellow
https://youtube.com/@jonasceikaCCK
He's a popular left nietzschean philosophy youtuber

[Anonymous No.23191466]

>>23191435
>According to surveys and sociological studies of German workers at the turn of the 20th century, Nietzsche tended to trump Marx in terms of popularity, a trend that likely remains true today
Lol retarded cattle

[Anonymous No.23191478]

>>23191448
BAPian vitalist

[Anonymous No.23191492]

>>23191419
Fundamentally Marxism and Nietzsche are just not reconcilable at all, any attempt to reconcile them necessitates the mutilation of one or the other. Marxism is hegelian slave morality.

[Anonymous No.23191494]

>>23191448
Probably an adult with a job.

[Anonymous No.23191495]

>>23191448
ideology and identification with -isms is for the weak.
i simply recognize what is true and disregard what is false.
go lift weights.

[Anonymous No.23191502]

>>23191437
Theres a pathology in Liberals, where they favor all things that are "opposite" to their roots - and categorise it as sophisticated Crusades bad, colonialism bad, rationalism bad, science, racist, white people food bland, white people cant dance, white music bad.

Take the famous study where they put magnets on peoples brains - it shut off their belief in God, threat detection, and tribal loyalty

Nietzsche was much like this - castigated the Germans, Christianity, Wagner, Platonism, and Western culture in a general sense (Western culture is Germaninc)

Admired the South, the French, the Jews, the Russians, Poland, Islam, Atheism, immorality

All heresys to the German soul

It led to some brilliant original thinking, but it makes you wonder how much contrarianism got the better of him

[Anonymous No.23191555]

>>23191419
What exactly is his argument in this book, and even if someone were to believe they can be reconciled, what is the real-world value in this synthesis

[Anonymous No.23191587]

>>23191495
you can just write an idiot

[Anonymous No.23191596]

>>23191419
If you memory whole and weirdly reinterpret like 90% of Nietzsche, maybe. Nietzsche resented socialism and the political aspect of his philosophical project was concerned with establishing an aristocratic slave-holding European Imperium.

[Anonymous No.23191606]

>>23191587
post your "ideology" then, faggot. we're all dying to know what aesthetic you're LARPing as today before you change to a different "ideology" next month

[Anonymous No.23191622]

>>23191606
many assumptions you make there westoid. I'm a communist, but no the retarded American kind

[Anonymous No.23191632]

>>23191622
>I'm a communist
You can just write that you´re a jobless homosexual.

[Anonymous No.23191635]

>>23191632
>Homosexual
I'm not American though

[Anonymous No.23191639]

>>23191635
But you are jewish, considering you are following a jewish ideology. And you are most certainly unemployed and an idiot.

[Anonymous No.23191641]

>>23191622
holy shit what a grand surprise, who would've guessed it?

[Anonymous No.23191645]

>>23191622
So a brown third wordlist? likely hates Whitey? I see this type being bullish because bisexual Vaush types not having the testosterone to kick these people out.

[Anonymous No.23191652]

>>23191639
>jewish ideology
Ye, that's why all communists globally are fundamentally against the existence of Israel, while the shitlib west pays them billions
>>23191645
Greek, but I'm whiter than you

[Anonymous No.23191653]

>>23191622

[Anonymous No.23191655]

>>23191652
Get a job nigger.

[Anonymous No.23191659]

>>23191652
I don’t think you should be talking since your country just legalized Gay marriage.

[Anonymous No.23191664]

>>23191419
I have not read this, I am not sure if I would even say they shared similar goals per se. I have seen several Nietzsche/Marx fusions but almost all of the worthwhile ones usually involve very specific concepts. Of all the ones I have seen Beaudrillard was probably the highest in quality and applicability.

[Anonymous No.23191666]

>>23191659
"my country" doesn't do shit. out politicians are employees of the EU and the IMF, and sign what they're told to sign.
>>23191655
I'm a published molecular biologist. You're a high school graduate

[Anonymous No.23191669]

>>23191666
>>I'm a published molecular biologist.You're a high school graduate
You are full of shit and a larper. Get a job nigger.

[Anonymous No.23191672]

>>23191669
I'll take the fact that my actual life sounds like a fantasy you'd larp as to you as a compliment. I'm sorry your country doesn't have free education

[Anonymous No.23191674]

>>23191652
But Leftists just see Jews as “Doing a heckin White colonialism.” look at it objectively, this doesn’t mean they don’t have a pathology like the liberals where they favor all things that are "opposite" to their roots - and categorise it as sophisticated. Which 100% makes you a tool for Jews, why can’t you faggots just choose the better option?

[Anonymous No.23191677]

>>23191666
>You're a high school graduate
lol let's not jump to conclusions here

[Anonymous No.23191680]

>>23191447
>lithuanian
>low IQ
Checks out.

[Anonymous No.23191685]

>>23191672
>free education
That alone proves that you´re a illiterate moron who couldnt publish shit on a wall. There is no such thing as ''free education'' or ''free healthcare''. Ironic that you would call me a highschooler and you havent figured out how the real world actually works yet. I say again get a job nigger.

[Anonymous No.23191690]

>>23191666
So you shouldn’t be shit talking about “Westoids,” since you’re just gay and occupied as they are.

[Anonymous No.23191693]

>>23191674
takes some heavy mental gymnastics to skip what is actually happening and get into what isn't. too bad reality doesn't follow your conspiracy theories, and here's the reality
>all communist parties, ruling and not, think Israel shouldn't exist
>all your favourite alt-right snappy politicians that are totally against the system and are about to drain the swamp are, in fact, in the pocket of the AIPAC and support Israel
You can continue living in denial
>>23191685
Yes there is. I literally attended university, for free
>>23191690
Greeks are pseudowestoids, that's our entire national identity for the last 200 years

[Anonymous No.23191697]

>>23191495
Political agendas are normative and have nothing to do with le truth. They at best use truths to undergird their arguments and make their goals more appealing.
So I assume you're okay with the status quo and don't want any political change?

[Anonymous No.23191701]

>>23191437
>slave morality
Marxism is not making a moral claim. You must have been as retarded as a marxist as you are now.

[Anonymous No.23191700]

>>23191666
>published
Link the paper, then, faggot.

[Anonymous No.23191702]

>>23191502
>white people food bland
This is unironically true. Only meds had good food and I don't think they're considered true white. Germanic, English and Scani whites literally eat dog shit..

[Anonymous No.23191704]

>>23191693
>Yes there is.I literally attended university,for free
Wrong, the Greek taxpayer paid for it. I say again stop larping and get a job nigger. You should be ashamed of urself using a western capitlist invention like the computer and the internet, monkey.

[Anonymous No.23191708]

>>23191700
ye i'll dox myself to win an argument on 4chan

[Anonymous No.23191709]

>>23191693
What ring wing people do I follow exactly? also, don’t you think some of them are aware of that? lol.

[Anonymous No.23191716]

>>23191701
That’s why I specifically said “marxism as an ideology.”
Marx’s economic theories make no moral claim but his ideological work (Communist Manifesto) definitely does.

[Anonymous No.23191718]

>>23191704
>the Greek taxpayer paid for it
Making it have 0 personal cost for me, hence being free. Are you retarded per chance?
>>23191709
dunno which american political celebrity you cheer for, but this for example is some cognitive dissonance you see in both trumpoids and bidenoids

[Anonymous No.23191722]

>>23191697
>So I assume you're okay with the status quo and don't want any political change?
Yeah. Capitalism is the best system possible that rewards the hardworking and the innovative. All we need to is remove affirmative action, diversity hiring and social security nets.

[Anonymous No.23191725]

>>23191708
how would you be doxxing yourself if the information is already publicly available?

[Anonymous No.23191728]

>>23191722
Bait used to be believable

[Anonymous No.23191729]

>>23191718
>Making it have 0 personal cost for me
For you yes. But if someone actually paid for it that doesnt really make it free. Are the university standards in Greece this bad that they allow retards like you to attend? Now i know for sure that you are larping and are in fact a jobless nigger like most ''communist''.

[Anonymous No.23191730]

>>23191728
Ok niglet

[Anonymous No.23191738]

>>23191725
because any of these posts screenshotted and forwarded to my PI would probably get me fired
>>23191729
>Someone else paid for it
Like every single thing. If I tell you I'll give you a free shirt, it doesn't mean the shirt spawned from the netherworld without costs associated with its manufacturing. Didn't they teach you what words mean in high school or middle school or wherever it was that you stopped your education?

[Anonymous No.23191744]

>>23191716
Only moralists read provocations in moral terms, you sure you're a BAPist and not just a projecting fag? There is no Marxism "as an ideology" aside from what retards make it. Communist manifesto is just as polemical as most of what Nietzsche writes. Also the basis of Marxism isn't even an economic one either so the distinction between economics and ideology is doubly misrepresentative

[Anonymous No.23191747]

>>23191738
But someone paid for that shirt and its materials and labour to begin with. Then why do you insist on calling it free if it isnt actually true? Is it to delude urself or comfort urself with a lie? Get a job nigger.

[Anonymous No.23191751]

>>23191747
because when we say "free product", we mean free of cost to the consumer, not free of production cost. This is fundamentally what "free product" means. Again, are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.23191757]

>>23191744
>the communist manifesto
do you think the communist manifesto is some magnum opus of marxism? it's literally a brochure. When you say shit like this, people know you don't know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.23191763]

Marxism is apocalyptic judaism. Marx is a prophet. Vanguard/marxist intellectuals are the rabbis. Actual marxism involves waiting for apocalypse where capitalism will crumble under the weight of its own contradictions.

[Anonymous No.23191764]

>>23191751
But then its not actually ''free''. So why insist on calling it free then retard? This is why you will remain a jobless nigger forever.

[Anonymous No.23191769]

>>23191764
It's free for me, nigger. Can you please stfu and I'm not even that anon and I think you're an annoying tranny faggot nigger like

[Anonymous No.23191770]

>>23191697
>I assume you're okay with the status quo and don't want any political change?
voting on policy and representatives =/= ideology.
ideology exists only in your head. you can think yourself a marxist, you can change your discord bio, participate in marxist spaces online, talk with other marxists, read marxist literature, but at the end of the day, you're not voting in favor of marxist policy, you're not going to achieve marxist goals with the political power afforded to you by your nation, and you're definitely not going to engage in any covert activities to further the goals of marxism because that shit isn't real. it isn't possible. likewise, you can think of yourself as a fascist, but you're never going to contribute to or experience anything which could be described as fascist in a meaningful way.
it's all fairy dust. wishful thinking. its LARP in its purest form, made for impressionable teenagers like (You). ideologies, in their present form, are merely social clubs for losers to meet other losers. it is like being goth, or emo, or scene. it is an aesthetic. there is no corresponding material form.
it doesn't matter to your government what fairytale ideology you pretend to be in your head. you will never have a real opportunity to materialize said ideology. you will merely make decisions based on the choices given to you. you will vote for the provided policies and the provided political parties.
ideology is not real. also YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.23191771]

>>23191764
Because that's what "free product means". If I give you something for free, it doesn't mean it didn't involve production costs. I'll keep repeating this until your high-school graduate brain grasps it

[Anonymous No.23191776]

Where is the rightoid meme that communists are Le Jewish?

[Anonymous No.23191781]

Nietzsche was literally a philosemite lmao
he liked kikes more than marx hated himself for being a kike

[Anonymous No.23191780]

>>23191744
>you sure you're a BAPist
I don't know what the fuck that means and i never claimed to be one
>There is no Marxism "as an ideology"
holy mother of bad faith.
>the basis of Marxism isn't even an economic one
dude you're fucking retarded, there is no point in continuing this conversation

[Anonymous No.23191783]

>>23191770
>ut at the end of the day, you're not voting in favor of marxist policy, you're not going to achieve marxist goals with the political power afforded to you by your nation, and you're definitely not going to engage in any covert activities to further the goals of marxism because that shit isn't real. it isn't possible
Anti-imperialism and revolutionary defeatism is the proper Marxist praxis for people living in the west. You are right about the majority of western twitter marxists though

[Anonymous No.23191785]

>>23191769
>>23191771
>Slavery is fine, as long as i got it for free.
Is this what you niggers are trying to say? You niggers really need to get jobs and learn how the real world works because i dont think you guys have ever actually laboured for a second of ur pathetic lives.

[Anonymous No.23191788]

>>23191781
Nietzsche literally said kikes are the superior race. How tf can anyone even take this retard seriously kek

[Anonymous No.23191792]

>>23191785
>Slavery is fine, as long as i got it for free
You've gone completely unhinged there, I can't even follow what little train of thought you had

[Anonymous No.23191795]

>>23191788
N was sincere. The English and Dutch Protestants embraced Jewish finance to create their central banks, which It led to their supremacy of the world. So Nietzsche saw it as a immoral and devious path to power.

Hard to know how he’d react to the end result in modern England.

[Anonymous No.23191796]

>>23191757
Entire point of citing the manifesto was to show that it wasn't a magnum opus dumb dumb. I was responding to someone.

[Anonymous No.23191803]

>>23191770
I'm socdem and we are in power in my country but whatever, retarded nihilistic schlomo. If people didn't fight for their rights, for the betterment of their material conditions, the world would've been a lot worse for us common folk. Amerimutts like you won't understand it anyway since you all are slaves to jews.

[Anonymous No.23191804]

>>23191788
Nietzsche admired jews for maintaining a culture and achieving material success. he thought that other ethnicities should do the same. he noted what the jews did well, but to call him a philosemite is a bit dishonest.
his "philosemitism" would literally be described today as anti-semitic conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.23191806]

>>23191792
Well you said it urself. its a ''free product'' because you didnt pay for it and got it for no cost. However someone else did. You think that this is morally right and so would be slavery. Is it really hard for you nigger brain to grasp something so simple?

[Anonymous No.23191810]

>>23191785
Yep, niggers like you will slave for me as I enjoy my cushy bullshit job.

[Anonymous No.23191814]

>>23191806
>However someone else did
Yes, the people most heavily taxed did, which are the richer 30% of the country. What does this have to do with slavery?

[Anonymous No.23191815]

>>23191803
>nihilistic
a swing and a miss.
i am far from nihilist. i merely dont believe in LARPing.
obviously, in your case, you have a political party that actually represents your ends. you are the exception.
most people in the 1st world who would describe themselves as belonging to any sort of ideology do not have this luxury.

[Anonymous No.23191819]

>>23191780
Seething is not argument. If you think the basis of marxism is economic you are obviously not remotely familiar with 20th century western theory (Lukacs, adorno, Korsch, etc.) Get out retard.

[Anonymous No.23191821]

>>23191814
>which are the richer 30% of the country
How do you deduce that?
>>23191810
>I enjoy my cushy bullshit job.
>implying you even have a job
kek, get a load of this nigger.

[Anonymous No.23191823]

>>23191819
if i'm so retarded then enlighten me on how the basis of marxism is in fact not economic.

[Anonymous No.23191826]

>>23191821
>How do you deduce that?
by being familiar with the economic situation in my country, unlike you?

[Anonymous No.23191830]

>>23191821
Nigger, stop with this pathetic projection. You nigger ass which doesn't even pay tax considers taxation for the benefit of public good as slavery lmao

[Anonymous No.23191839]

>>23191826
>>23191814
Forcing someone to work and pay for something without profit or reward is the definition of slavery. Are you sure you whent college because it sounds like you didnt even gradute from middle school.
>>23191830
>public good
Why would paying for useless comunist niggers like you be considered as ''public good'' or even ''good'' to begin with?

[Anonymous No.23191850]

>>23191419
Why are they covered in dirty worms?

[Anonymous No.23191852]

>>23191839
Shut up slave

[Anonymous No.23191856]

>>23191823
If you're so enlightened you would have already read the literature that any high schooler interested in marx would have read. You are the one who said you used to be a Marxist and who clearly didn't do your homework, it's likely you haven't done the same for nietzsche. I told you what to read, you can figure it out for yourself and then you won't be retarded.

[Anonymous No.23191858]

>>23191839
>Forcing someone to work and pay for something without profit or reward is the definition of slavery
Yes, it is. What does that have to do with upper-middle class Greeks paying more for universities from their taxes than the low-wage workers they employ?

[Anonymous No.23191864]

>>23191852
Thats the spirit! Show your true jewish colours.

[Anonymous No.23191879]

>>23191856
lmfao faggot you clearly just can't actually justify your claim, no amount of "figure it out" will distract from that, quit with this autistic attempt to take attention away from your basic failure to form an actual argument

[Anonymous No.23191881]

>>23191858
>What does that have to do with upper-middle class Greeks paying more for universities from their taxes than the low-wage workers they employ?
Maybe you should read that line again and slowly this time ''college boy''.

[Anonymous No.23191886]

>>23191881
you're implying upper middle class Greeks are slaves? you really are retarded

[Anonymous No.23191889]

>>23191879
You are yet to provide an argument that isnt posting dumbass pictures so not sure how you feel any better (that you have so many of these images on hand is pathetic btw). Marx begins from a socio-ontological basis (the relationship between subject and object) rather than a socioeconomic one. That's the gist. Now you can refute that if you can find the evidence. Have a nice day

[Anonymous No.23191890]

>>23191881
>>23191886
Ok boys even I’m getting tired of this now, can y’all just go ahead and kiss?

[Anonymous No.23191893]

>>23191419
Don't forget. Most people here have not read Nietzsche nor Marx. GG to the /lit/ board as usual. picrel

[Anonymous No.23191896]

[Anonymous No.23191899]

>>23191886
Try again ''college boy''. Read it even more slowly. Perhaps you will recognize your own stupidity and contradiction in your faggy ideology.
>>23191890
No, messing with jobless communist faggot is fun because they always end up contradicting themselves and talk themselves into a corner. Its too fun to stop now.

[Anonymous No.23191905]

>>23191899
Kind of just sounds like you're angry and hurt.

[Anonymous No.23191907]

>>23191899
taxes are slavery? because you pay a part of your income for common goods and services? what about the taxes that pay for the cops that beat the workers when they strike for higher wages? you truly are a retard

[Anonymous No.23191910]

>>23191899
All I'm seeing is you struggling with basic concepts.

[Anonymous No.23191912]

>>23191905
>Kind of just sounds like you're angry and hurt.
>>/r*ddit/ is that way.
>>23191907
>>23191910
Wrong again, read it even more slowly.

[Anonymous No.23191921]

>>23191912
you are retarded, and my university education was free (of cost). have a nice day

[Anonymous No.23191923]

>>23191437
>anyone who has read a lick of either knows this is absolute bullshit. fucking laughable.
Exactly my thoughts. I haven’t read the book but the only way he would be able to achieve a synthesis of the two would be to either see the will to power as an expression of class struggle or vice versa. There’s not really a middle ground between either of them: marxism is historical and Nietzsche is markedly a-historical in his conclusions although his analysis runs through a good bit of historicism, Marxism is dialectical while Nietzsche is openly anti-dialectical, and marxism is a materialism while Nietzsche is an idealist. Of course, there is a bit of the standard polo analysis that could take place here where Nietzsche’s methodology is examined for contradictions against what it claims to be which could be argued to be evidence of a kind of dialectical energy to Nietzsche’s thought but even then it would seem apparent to me that the proper parallel to draw between Nietzsche and a dialectical thinker would be Hegel given the way that the subject doesn’t fully integrate with Geist and as such a room for undialectical thought like the will is opened up. In Marxism the subject doesn’t have an undialectical remainder capable of being construed as a Nietzschean will to power. Likely, his synthesis of the two amounts to a shallow celebration of the (potential?) will to power of the proletariat in a kind of Marc Bloch-esque reorientation of class struggle where the proletariat is seen as the active component of the bourgeois-proletariat dichotomy where the bourgeois merely react to the proletariat instead of playing an equally active role. Obviously this is a bit of a stretch and neuters any semblance of dialectics that remains in the system and completely gets Nietzsche ass backwards given the length he went to criticize things like Christianity. Not to mention that Marxism still practically operates in the ethical which Nietzsche would disdain.

[Anonymous No.23191926]

>>23191921
Sorry retard, someone paid for it that fact alone proves that it wasnt ''free'' also you never whent to university because someone as retarded as you would never have gotten in the first place. Get a job nigger before you start discussing politics and economics.

[Anonymous No.23191929]

>>23191889
>yet to provide an argument that isnt posting dumbass pictures so not sure how you feel any better (that you have so many of these images on hand is pathetic btw).
holy shit, seethe? how do you not feel like a massive faggot saying this
>socio-ontological rather than a socioeconomic
literal semantics. is that what your professor told you?
i'm not interested in refuting a guy that thinks that having funny pictures saved onto your computer is somehow indicative of anything meaningful and seriously attempts to use that against his opponent as if it were some epic gotcha

[Anonymous No.23191935]

>>23191923
The standard pomo analysis**

[Anonymous No.23191940]

>>23191889
wait, sorry, i forgot to post a dumbass picture

[Anonymous No.23191942]

>>23191929
>still hasn't given an argument
>resorted to the semantics card

Why do you people ask for a claim and then have a tantrum when it's given to you?

[Anonymous No.23191945]

>>23191940
>some epic gotcha
You're literally trying to make a "gotcha" saying the same thing over and over again with different pictures

[Anonymous No.23191964]

>>23191942
>argument
pretending that "the relationship between subject and object" is in any meaningful way different from economics is pure semantics of a tier only found in pseudo-intellectuals

[Anonymous No.23191973]

>>23191923
thanks for the (You) anon, i concur
sadly this thread as long set sail and devolved into 4 retards arguing with eachother

[Anonymous No.23192114]

Problem with Left Nietzscheans is that Nietzsche was an aristocratic thinker. He despised the kind of populism that Marx represented. He believed in hierarchy. Also the name of this book sucks. Jonas can't come up with names for shit. "Cuck philosophy" WTF was he thinking? Yet another academic trying to be the cool kid online and integrate himself with meme culture and failing.

I want Jonas to post on /lit/ I want him to come here and explain himself. I want him to annunciate with eloquence the supremacy of his position and how life is a holy fiction. Since he's convinced we're all wrong and a Left Nietzscheanism is possible and better than Freudo-Marxism he can at least come here and defend it. He wants to be a super internet intellectual but doesn't even have the gumtion to come here to /lit/ I AM UPSET BY THIS.

Anyone know where I can contact him for inquiries? I want to send him this message.

[Anonymous No.23192128]

>>23192114
I agree with much of what you’re saying.
Left-Nietzscheans have some advanced levels of cope. It’s almost like they’ve never read him, because if they did, they’d realize he despised many of their sentiments and values. I cannot for the life of me imagine how a modern leftist might misread Nietzsche so badly as to think that he would agree with them on anything.
Also, I’m sure he probably has an email on his YouTube or something where you can correspond directly

[Anonymous No.23192416]

>>23191419
>Is it possible to reconcile nietzsche and marx's philosophy
Yes

[Anonymous No.23192490]

Wow, great thread, faggots. I'm convinced that nietzschefags are somehow worse and more uneducated than marxoids.

[Anonymous No.23192608]

>>23192490

[Anonymous No.23192626]

>>23192128
It's just people picking new religions for themselves. I've never understood how a person can pick and choose philosophers to base their lives on and then try and synthesize those beliefs with other philosophers and their beliefs. It's a silly exercise both in concept and in practice, how is this a practical way of life for anyone? At least someone like Baha'u'llah created his own religion out of this Franksteining of different parts, otherwise I don't see the point. Nietzsche actively opposed leftism. So why bother with this?

[Anonymous No.23192656]

>>23191502
>Nietzsche was much like this - castigated the Germans, Christianity, Wagner, Platonism, and Western culture in a general sense (Western culture is Germaninc)

Yeah, he was polish; hence, he opposed Germans and their culture. He was in-group orientated.

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>>23191702
Really? I hate foreign foods; I always have. Yes, it's weird, I know. Actually, I do quite like Caribbean food, but only at times. It's not so unequivocal; to be honest, it feels like black people are coping. How could you denounce roast dinners, really anon?

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>>23191666
>I'm a published molecular biologist.
anyone with an academic background knows this means nothing. Perfect example of slave morality

[Anonymous No.23193081]

>>23191788
Why do they make you rage so much? There are plenty of reasons for praising Jewish excellence, without going that far back to Spinoza, you see the vast influence of Jews in philosophy like Marx, Bergson, Freud, Husserl, AJ Ayer, Neurath, Wittgenstein, Adorno.

[Anonymous No.23193399]

>>23191419
I enjoy his channel but I doubt he would be a good writer- is it worth a read Anon?

[Anonymous No.23193727]

>>23193081
>Jews in philosophy like Marx, Bergson, Freud, Husserl, AJ Ayer, Neurath, Wittgenstein, Adorno.
All negative influences

[Anonymous No.23193733]

>>23192666
The only whites with good food are Italians

[Anonymous No.23193746]

>>23191437
This, thanks for posting so I didn't have to.

>>23191701
Marxists moralize all the time and the motivations for Marx's writing (and all of his teen fans) is Utopian slave morality garbage, already written about by Jesuits 100 years earlier btw. Marx sucks, his supporters are mostly retarded high schoolers and then grown-up megalosers. I just can't take an actual Marxist seriously. Obviously he has some valid critiques of capitalism (like every 16 year old working at McDonald's), but overall it's just crap.

>>23191702
Literally? Literally, you faggot? I really don't even care, but not being covered in spice to hide LITERAL rotting shit taste (and bad cooking) isn't the same as bland, you fucking retard. How is a steak and veggie pie bland, faggot? How is gravy and Yorkshire pudding bland, faggot? How are cakes and baking bland, you actual idiot faggot? Chinese food and Japanese food is bland too, I guess.

Take a look at how Indians make their food. Or Chinese. There are no such thing as standards of cleanliness. You like gutter oil? Hahaha. Actually, being non-White means there's a higher chance of eating literal shit.

White people's food (including Mediterranean Europeans) is superior. The only reason people don't agree is because they're used to eating the same thing for their entire life. Try eating Indian food for a week. Fucking disgusting, and you start to smell like spicies lol.

Meanwhile Africans have a "food" called swallow, which is just raw dough that they don't even chew. Or where they mix dirt and twigs in it (jerk?). Or how about raw fish on cold plain rice with seaweed? Yummy xD

In all seriousness, high quality sushi can be delicious.

[Anonymous No.23193751]

>>23191693
>all your favourite alt-right snappy politicians that are totally against the system and are about to drain the swamp are, in fact, in the pocket of the AIPAC and support Israel
You think Donald Trump is alt-right? LMAO
>Yes there is. I literally attended university, for free
You're not doing your side of the argument any favours here unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.23193755]

Wow I just realized there is some literal 3rd worlder larping as a Westerner arguing for leftism itt. It's so fucking funny how stupid you are. Your toilet degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on and you shouldn't have been allowed in uni (even in biology, which everyone knows is the easiest science), I wipe my ass with it and your shit people.

[Anonymous No.23193774]

>>23193746
>Chinese food and Japanese food is bland too, I guess.
Chinese food is pretty good. Japanese food is pretty bland. The only good stuff in Japan is food introduced by korean and chinese immigrants like ramen.

[Anonymous No.23193776]

>>23193746
>Marx's writing (and all of his teen fans) is Utopian slave morality garbage
If you actually bothered to read you'll know that marx made a distinction between utopian socialism and scientific socialism, and criticized utopian/moralistic socialists of his time.

[Anonymous No.23193777]

>>23193755
Western civilization originated in greece, barbarian.

[Anonymous No.23193793]

>>23191680
fuck you
go drink vodka and beat your wife

[Anonymous No.23193794]

>>23191973
Quite sadly. It wouldn’t be 4chan if that didn’t happen though.

[Anonymous No.23193814]

>>23191419
>>23191923
>markedly a-historical

Mustache is a thoroughgoing crypto-Hegelian under the hood and cannot be synthesized with the guy who married a Rothschilde scion without a great deal of bowdlerization and willful ignorance apart from that -- and the author doesn't even take that as a point of departure it must be unearthed first

[Anonymous No.23193846]

>>23193814
How so? From my understanding of Nietzsche the will to power just simply is and doesn’t undergo any kind of dialectical relationship with its embodiment, context, or materials. Aside from that, the more utopian aspects of Hegelianism of the time — which were emphasized over the critical concerns; how the dialectic is like a mathematical limit in that it always approaches the absolute but never quite reaches it — are completely lacking in Nietzsche. In fact — barring the modern innovations of Zizek to the ontology of dialectics — the fundamental a-rationality of the will to power destroys any effective embodiment of Geist. There’s room to say that the subject holds claim to both Hegelian rationality and Nietzschean a-rationality but to see the will to power as an expression of Geist is like saying the days get warmer because the trees are blooming. The only way it works is if they are both separate but equal in their effect on the subject. If the will to power is really a will to some form of the Hegelian absolute then Nietzsche’s entire claim of the arbitrary nature of ethics goes out the window as it would be a rational exercise. If Hegelian rationality is really some form of the will to power then the utopian aspects, and really the whole analysis leading there, is null and void as it’s a completely arbitrary grasp at power disguised as knowledge. If we want to make the claim that Nietzsche was a forerunner to the modern, ontological interpretations of Hegel — Zizek and his little circle here at the fore — then it could sort of work but a good argument would have to be put forward to show a reconciliation between the ontological gravity of the two such that they don’t end up devouring each other as they did in the previous examples. And yes, I am attributing an ontological dimension to the will to power in the way that Heidegger describes it in his essay The Word of Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.23193902]

>>23191459
>>>youtuber

[Anonymous No.23193916]

>>23191419
Yes but it gives you Cercle Proudhon–Sorel-style French anarchofascism

[Anonymous No.23194059]

>>23191419
Please give a TL;DR of the book for retards.
I'm by no means an expert on Nietzche or Marx, so take this with a grain of salt.
I don't believe it's possible to reconcile Nietzche's philosophy with Marxism without heavily distorting one or the other (usually Nietzche). Nietzche Opposes both Slave and master morality, but rails against populists and clamours for aristocracy at every turn. Not a very socialist thinker. At least as far as I understand, he seeked for something beyond master and slave.
>The author says nietzsche's philosophy is very similar to marx that both can be very easily aligned and he even claims that nietzsche and marx share similar goals...
Goals in abstract? Maybe. But everything else is different. Nietzche talks about genetics plenty.
>>23191652
>Greek Communist
Complete blindspot in my political map but I assume they did nothing important. Golden Dawn had more prospects.

[Anonymous No.23194073]

>>23191419
>The author says nietzsche's philosophy is very similar to marx that both can be very easily aligned and he even claims that nietzsche and marx share similar goals.
Yes, and its called Fascism

[Anonymous No.23194490]

Anything is reconcilable with each other as long as you keep portion and get rid of a large corpus of their works, in the end something monstrous comes out, that is neither like Nietzsche or Marx, les Enfants terribles (nazi germany)

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>>23191722
- We do not live under true capitalism.
- The current system absolutely does not reward the hardworking and the innovative.
- And nepotism, corruption, legacy admissions, lobbying (glorified bribery).

[Anonymous No.23194564]

>>23194507
it may not reward the innovative but it sure as hell rewards the innovative, the ultra nerds, AI developers, elon musk etc.
If you mean artistic innovation then yes true, but economic and technological innovation its way too rewarded.

[Anonymous No.23194795]

>>23194564
Elon Musk got government subsidies. It's not being rewarded by capitalism if daddy government gives you money.