/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23188554]

>Like Macbeth, Western man made an evil decision, which has become the efficient and final cause of other evil decisions. Have we forgotten our encounter with the witches on the heath? It occurred in the late fourteenth century, and what the witches said to the protagonist of this drama was that man could realize himself more fully if he would only abandon his belief in the existence of transcendentals. The powers of darkness were working subtly, as always, and they couched this proposition in the seemingly innocent form of an attack upon universals. The defeat of logical realism in the great medieval debate was the crucial event in the history of Western culture; from this flowed those acts which issue now in modern decadence.

Reject nominalism
Embrace forms

Reject reduction to efficient causes
Embrace telos

Reject moral emotivism
Embrace the tradition of the virtues

Reject the linguistic turn
Embrace the ontological turn

Reject deflationary truth
Reject positivism
Reject simple correspondence
Embrace ecstatic reason
Embrace the that the truth is the whole

Reject epistemic and logical nihilism and relativism
Embrace Logos

Daily reminder: the Logos is without begining or end.

[Anonymous No.23188564]

Next on our "halt the decay of our society" reading list.

There is a problem when young men are led to Nietzsche before Boethius.

[Anonymous No.23188568]

>>23188554
>forms
Hylomorphic?

[Anonymous No.23188607]

>>23188554
Whats logical realism I've never heard anyone say that before

[Anonymous No.23188615]

>>23188607
Pretty much logic as a real, mind-independent thing. Same as moral realism, etc.

[Anonymous No.23188629]

>>23188615
But there's always been different types of logic there's never been an agreed upon universal law of logic

[Anonymous No.23188687]

>>23188607
>>23188629
It's not the denial of multiple types of logic any more than not being a nihilist about "words having meaning," is a denial of multiple languages existing.

Most obviously, it would be the rejection of the reduction of truth to being something defined by "games." There is also the logic of how the world works, causation, etc.

[Anonymous No.23189416]

>>23188554
>>23188564
It's strange to me that books like these are generally well known in philosophical circles and well regarded, but that the entire Jordan Peterson, "Western culture" crowd never seems to have gotten into them, opting instead for identity politics of the sort they decry.

I think these books were prescient in that the decay has now made it so that even those who would be sympathetic to them have moved on to post-modernism (by another name).

[Anonymous No.23189441]

>>23188554
Logic, tricking the tongue
With its fool's learning,
Prescribed excess,
Devoted emptiness,
With dull heart-burning
For a forgotten peace,
For work beyond employment,
For trust beyond allegiance,
For love beyond enjoyment,
For life beyond existence,
For death beyond decease.

[Anonymous No.23189513]

>>23189416
>It's strange to me that books like these are generally well known in philosophical circles and well regarded, but that the entire Jordan Peterson, "Western culture" crowd never seems to have gotten into them, opting instead for identity politics of the sort they decry.

Because they're not smart enough. Almost all manosphere types, the pop philosopher types, the influencer types, aren't smart enough to read MacIntyre or Weaver or other guys like that.

[Anonymous No.23189532]

>>23189513
>aren't smart enough to read MacIntyre or Weaver or other guys like that.
Their books are easily comprehended by anyone with basic thinking skills. It is just that no one really reads them because no one ever really hears about them.

And, of course, most people will simply reject any alternative morals to modern ones because they are not as easy or as nice, no matter how logical they may sound. No one ever chooses their positions based on logic. No one. Not a single human being, ever. It is always the heart that chooses. As for the mind, it can only work towards what the heart directs it to.

[Anonymous No.23189537]

>>23189416
Probably because it's very easy to understand "niggers are stupid and violent" while none of these books take any real measures to reach out to common people. There is really nothing wrong with the hypothesis, the problem is there's no intermediate literature with these hypotheses that allows you to graduate into these concepts.

>inb4 just read all of the greeks bro
>no i wont tell you which

[Anonymous No.23189542]

I tried reading this, but lost interest halfway through. It never became clear to me why he was still seething about obscure, medieval theological debates.

I'm still looking for a book that can actually change my philosophical outlook.

[Anonymous No.23189550]

>>23189542
read Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.23189570]

>>23189550
I did. He seemed pretentious.

[Anonymous No.23189649]

>>23189570
filtered

[Anonymous No.23189681]

>>23189542
Try "The Art of Being Ruled" by Wyndham Lewis

[Anonymous No.23190856]

>>23189542
>I tried reading this, but lost interest halfway through. It never became clear to me why he was still seething about obscure, medieval theological debates.

His basic assumption is that clarity of thought is a precondition for good behavior. Once people quit believing ideas are just as real as physical objects, they turn into children who bumblefuck through life believing whatever gibberish gets them through the next conversation.

[Anonymous No.23190870]

>>23188564
>>23188554
Keep fighting the good fight.