Who's a good role model today?

[Anonymous No.23173746]

Jordan Peterson's books are as ridiculous as he is. Joe Rogan is knob polisher and gatekeeper. Tate is an actor. DFW killed himself.

University professors are NPCs on a tight leash.

Where are the teachers?

[Anonymous No.23173750]

>>23173746
Jesus

[Anonymous No.23173753]

>>23173746
Maybe read some fucking books instead of trying to find salvation and wisdom from fuckin' e-celebs.

>What books?

Start with 'After Virtue' by Alasdair McIntyre.

[Anonymous No.23173754]

Me

[Anonymous No.23173755]

>>23173750
Jesus killed himself.

[Anonymous No.23173756]

>>23173755
You should follow his example.

[Anonymous No.23173759]

>>23173754
>'After Virtue' by Alasdair McIntyre
Yes that is good. But I already follow teleology and love Aristotle.

The problem is people don't listen. Where do you find a wife that accepts that her sole purpose is to have children and be a mother? Where do you find a community where every woman is like this and there are no bad apples ready to poison the whole thing?

Capitalism swallows everything up and makes everything about consuming material goods and competing with the neighbour for who can consume more.

[Anonymous No.23173761]

>>23173759

You>>23173753

[Anonymous No.23173764]

>>23173746
Why do you need a role model? Can't think for yourself?

[Anonymous No.23173765]

>>23173764
A living role model helps because you can see him fail and if he does you know it's not the way to go.

Society determines the trajectory of your life.

[Anonymous No.23173799]

>>23173759
Move to Afghanistan or some isolated village with a medium IQ of 80 and where everyone has 5 classes combined.

[Anonymous No.23173829]

>>23173799
The men can be intellectuals but the women must follow their husbands. What happened to cultured people that don't care about consuming?

[Anonymous No.23173832]

>>23173746
What about your actual father

[Anonymous No.23173834]

>>23173832
He's dead.

[Anonymous No.23173850]

>>23173746
Adolf Hitler. As close to a modern heroic figure as you can get.

[Anonymous No.23173874]

>>23173799
>>23173829
Actually the women can be intellectuals too. If they enjoyed the finer things in life they wouldn't be obsessed with money.

If they loved art and music they wouldn't give a fuck about status symbols and even less about mindless consumption.

[Anonymous No.23173889]

>>23173759
The face that you're asking this kind of question on 4chan already disqualifies you from le trad lifestyle.
Stop larping and be serious about it if you really care.

[Anonymous No.23173898]

>>23173889
>le trad
I'm an elitist. I just don't think that being good at making money makes you superior.

da Vinci sucked at making money.

Art and literature should reign above all else.

[Anonymous No.23173905]

>>23173889
>>23173898
Italians actually understand this.

[Anonymous No.23174092]

>>23173898
>>23173905
Another Renaissance is needed.

[Anonymous No.23174097]

lmao

[Anonymous No.23174103]

>>23174092
The Renaissance was just the redditing of the medival golden era

[Anonymous No.23174104]

>>23174097
That's so pedophilic. What a faggot you are.

[Anonymous No.23174107]

For the past 10 years it's been Paul Town, Kantbot and Logo_Daedalus
Keep up bucko we have a western civilization to save

[Anonymous No.23174108]

>>23174103
It showed what humans are capable of when the goal is to live a good life.

[Anonymous No.23174111]

>>23174107
Autism is not the answer.

[Anonymous No.23174116]

>>23173746
god what a gross opener.
>find me a new snake oil salesman so i can keep my artificial and fake biases in place

delete this and try again

[Anonymous No.23174121]

>>23173759
you cant afford a wife

[Anonymous No.23174133]

>>23174108
Uhh no it had the medicis and idolatrous engineering monstrosities

[Anonymous No.23174135]

>>23174104
Go stare at a tree

[Anonymous No.23174154]

>>23173750
/thread

[Anonymous No.23174156]

>>23173755
The world killed Jesus
He did not kill himself
He just didn't resist what was needed, as his Love outweighed his ego

[Anonymous No.23174159]

>>23174156
jesus dying is like the internet
LOL BRO JUST WALK AWAY
>oh noes i literaly have all the power of god but damn these nails!!!!! im stuck!!!!!
please bitch

[Anonymous No.23174163]

>>23174159
That's a very enlightened understanding of one of the world's great spiritual narratives

[Anonymous No.23174171]

>>23174163
true.

[Anonymous No.23174176]

>>23174159
>>23174163
>>23174171
The power of god went straight to the Jews.

[Anonymous No.23174177]

>>23174176
No man possesses the power of God

[Anonymous No.23174180]

>>23174177
A people do because they're the ones that created him.

[Anonymous No.23174182]

>>23174180
The Jews did not create God. What a silly thing to say.

[Anonymous No.23174187]

>>23174182
Nta, but you believe in the Jewish god.

[Anonymous No.23174195]

>>23174187
The "Jewish God" is just God.

[Anonymous No.23174198]

>>23174159
I know the Bible says it but God isn't Jesus that just makes no sense

[Anonymous No.23174199]

>>23174176
>>23174177
>>23174180
>>23174182
>>23174187
>>23174195
fuk off pol jew meme cunts

[Anonymous No.23174200]

>>23174182
>>23174187
>>23174195
There's the Muslim god. The Christian one is just the bitch of the Jewish one.

[Anonymous No.23174205]

>>23174198
>cant into the trinity LOL mfw

[Anonymous No.23174209]

>>23174200
The Muslim, Jewish and Christian God are the same God, Source in Hinduism is also this same God, the Adonai described by Satanists is this same God, the Divine described by Buddhists is this same God, the Dreamer described by aboriginals is this same God, Confucuius' "Heaven" is reference to this same God.
There is one God.

[Anonymous No.23174215]

>>23174209
See you in hell :)

[Anonymous No.23174216]

>>23174198
>>23174205
Fighting about the nature of the trinity is the surest sign that a person didn't understand a word of what God, Jesus or any of the prophets said.
Zealots wage battle for aeons over the letter of the word
Meanwhile a Chinese man who doesn't believe in Abrahamism lived meagerly his entire life and donated most of his earnings to the public school system so the little ones could receive education, he is a true Christian despite not believing the Bible, Jesus would say so himself.

[Anonymous No.23174220]

>>23174215
See me? You're already there, can't you tell?

[Anonymous No.23174222]

>>23174209
Then why does each have a different mandate? The teleology of each is different. Some are ethnic supremacists and others aren't.

The Jewish one says the Jews are the chosen people. The Muslim one says the Arabs have priority because the Quran was dictated in Arabic. Confucius was a ethnic Han supremacist. The Hindu one has castes and says some humans are chandala.

[Anonymous No.23174228]

>>23174222
Because contained within each pure doctrine is the impurity of dogma -- man's confusion.
Confucius wasn't a Han supremacist.
The Islamic religion preaches the universal brotherhood of all men.
The Jewish religion says Jews are "chosen" because the Word was given to them and spreading it was entrusted to them, not because they're superior.
The Hindu religion speaks of spiritual castes and men interpreted this as material castes.
Men are dim witted. This does not negate the purity of Truth.

[Anonymous No.23174229]

>>23174216

[Anonymous No.23174230]

>>23174220
I can stop posting any time

[Anonymous No.23174235]

>>23174228
That's a very Christian interpretation. A Unitarian Universalist one.

That's not how these people think. They're all narcissists that believe their people are superior.

[Anonymous No.23174239]

>>23174235
Again, the confusion of men does not negate Truth. If someone reads Harry Potter and says it's actually about Winnie the Pooh, do you take that in as canon because they said so?

[Anonymous No.23174240]

>>23174239
>If someone
If millions maybe billions.

[Anonymous No.23174243]

>>23174239
Uh yeah actually

[Anonymous No.23174245]

>>23174240
>>23174243
Then enjoy living a life, externally defined.

[Anonymous No.23174247]

>>23174239
>>23174240
>>23174243
It's not really confusion. Muslims as an example think Islam is the only true religion.

>>23174245
>externally defined
You mean reality?

[Anonymous No.23174249]

>>23174247
Some Muslims think that, certainly.
>you mean reality?
Half of something is not the whole of anything.

[Anonymous No.23174251]

>>23174216
You are a grade A moron. There is no salvation outside of Christ.

[Anonymous No.23174259]

>>23174251
I am a Christian, but the Way of Christ lies in the embodiment of principles and in God's mercy, a concept which is universal.

[Anonymous No.23174264]

>>23173755
I don't think you trust in my
Self righteous suicide

[Anonymous No.23174265]

>>23174264
When anons deserve to
DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.23174277]

>>23174249
It's written in the Quran.

[Anonymous No.23174293]

>>23174277
The OT has all kinds of horrible things written down in it too

[Anonymous No.23174309]

>>23174293
That because it's all bullshit. All religions are made up.

Why are there similarities? Because they are systems of control and all humans are controlled in the same way. Vulnerable to crafty lies in the same way.

[Anonymous No.23174316]

>>23174309
They can be manifested that way and often have been.
But none of that negates Truth.

[Anonymous No.23174318]

>>23174316
What truth?

[Anonymous No.23174321]

>>23174195
There is absolutely no way that Jahova the LORD of hosts is the creator of everything. It just doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense. I will burn in hell for 402389408239749328 years and walk 900 quadrillions before I accept this. The hebrews are not monotheistic they are henotheistic. They are selecting one of the available 'gods'. I believe in a creator and a supreme God, but it definitely isn't Jahova the LORD of hosts.

[Anonymous No.23174325]

>>23174318
That's the question, isn't it?
>>23174321
>I will burn in hell for 402389408239749328 years and walk 900 quadrillions before I accept this.
True.

[Anonymous No.23174328]

>>23174325
There is no truth. Only cause and effect.

[Anonymous No.23174329]

>>23174293
Yeah and it's been disavowed by the NT

[Anonymous No.23174331]

>>23174328
We have to move beyond cause and effect

[Anonymous No.23174336]

>>23174331
Teleology explains this. Except there is no ultimate goal; life is just to be enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.23174339]

>>23174328
>there is no Truth, only Truth
Lol ok

[Anonymous No.23174343]

>>23174339
The Jewish god has an effect but no cause other than Jewish supremacy. Think about that for a second.

[Anonymous No.23174348]

>>23174343
It's actually the same for the Muslim one.

[Anonymous No.23174357]

>>23174343
The God you call Jewish is just God and has always been and never was. Causation does not apply to God.

[Anonymous No.23174358]

>>23174348
And some racist Christian denominations. Those that claim to be chosen by god.

[Anonymous No.23174365]

>>23174357
All religions have a supremacy element to them. Some more than others.

The worst are the racial ones. The ones that do ancestor worship. Those are the ones that justify genocide.

It's pretty much all of them.

[Anonymous No.23174373]

>>23174365
The confusion of men does not negate Truth

[Anonymous No.23174377]

>>23174373
What the fuck are you talking about? The only religion that isn't narcissistic is Buddhism.

All others believe that you have to honor your parents (basically racism) and make war on others.

[Anonymous No.23174378]

>>23174216
your post is really just a sidetrack bit of bullshit that articulates nothing and therefore supports those who are WRONG

is Jesus God?

[Anonymous No.23174384]

>>23174377
>>23174378
Filtered
I got shit to do
Pleasure chatting

[Anonymous No.23174385]

>>23174216
jesus would not

its nowhere in the faith that a good person who doesnt know jesus can be saved - that like literally why colonialism happened

[Anonymous No.23174386]

>>23174259
world salad, but feel free to be more articulate

[Anonymous No.23174388]

>>23174373
the doodoo in your pants does not negate the doodoo in your heart

[Anonymous No.23174389]

>>23174378
He was superior to the Jewish god but was just a man who died miserably. The real message is that the Jewish god is worthless.

>>23174384
If you honor your parents and your tribe you by definition dishonor the other.

[Anonymous No.23174392]

>>23174389
lol no you cant invent your own fucking religion Mr. Smith

[Anonymous No.23174399]

>>23174377
Actually I take that back. Buddhism is also narcissistic.

>>23174392
Did Jesus not die like an animal?

[Anonymous No.23174407]

>>23174399
>Did Jesus not die like an animal?
He died like an animal but it was the save the children! Totally not to destroy the Roman Empire.

[Anonymous No.23174411]

>>23174407
Actually if it wasn't for Jesus we'd probably all be Muslims right now. Do you guys think the Roman Empire could've defeated the rising Caliphates?

[Anonymous No.23174413]

>>23174411
I think the threat of the barbarians in the north and the Muslims in the south would've been too much.

[Anonymous No.23174420]

>>23174413
Islam would not exist. It would've been the Zoroastrian threat and the Arabic threat from the tribes.

Maybe Rome would still be alive.

[Anonymous No.23174443]

>>23173759
and here, the /pol/cel reveals his true form.

[Anonymous No.23174446]

>>23174205
>newfags can't triforce
Time is a flat circle

[Anonymous No.23174454]

>>23174443
How is not being a slave to buying useless shit that a woman likes a bad thing?

Consumerism is bullshit and you know it. Everyone does but they're addicted and kept in debt slavery.

[Anonymous No.23174455]

>>23174420
you have to remember how popular Mithraism was at the time.
If Christianity didn’t take hold Rome would probably have turned into a caliphate owning to Mithraism
I think Commodus actually tried to do this aswell

[Anonymous No.23174468]

Nobody. I think about this all the time. I’ve actually started to analyze the public sphere and my own life to distinguish people who I think are remotely admirable. So far I’ve counted about less than a handful of people I find remotely admirable.

I think there is a degree there to which democracy and capitalism select for ignoble people.

[Anonymous No.23174484]

>>23174468
I think most importantly, the now multiple century loss of aristocracy and everything that entails has been nothing short of devastating for contemporary generations. I mean, look at your parents, and your parents parents. Some of you may disagree but many of you won’t. These people, while capable of being virtuous people, often are not. When they are, they typically lack any noble bearing at all. Great figures have always been rare, but good figures are not supposed to be so rare as they are. When I think about my own private life and I ask myself what man is worth looking up to and emulating of seeking mentorship from, there’s just nobody. They’re all losers in one way or another.

[Anonymous No.23174485]

>>23174455
I don't think so. The barbarians would've never converted to that.

I think the Sassanids would've beaten and absorbed the Arabs. Then the Germanic tribes would've eventually united.

We'd have a crazy world with completely different beliefs.

[Anonymous No.23174498]

>>23174455
So delusional. By the time Christianity seeped into the Roman Empire, Roman civilization was old and decrepit. The idea that they would’ve just turned it around by worshipping Mithras is totally ridiculous. In fact, so many people in the military seem to have turned to Mithras cult, and Christianity for that matter, precisely as a sort of reaction to how bad things were.

[Anonymous No.23174510]

>>23174498
Without Christianity we'd have no immigration and every people would be hyper-racist and proud of their ethnic cults. We'd have constant war.

[Anonymous No.23174526]

>>23174209
> two gods
> mutually exclusive attributes
> pseud insists they’re the same god

[Anonymous No.23174528]

I mean, doesn't anyone of you know people at work for example that you straight up admire? They might not be largely successful and yet some men simply don't stop impressing me in the mighty attitude that they deliver, the views that they hold and courageously stand on sometimes to their own disadvantage.

[Anonymous No.23174534]

>>23174528
I don’t. I don’t think I’ve ever met a man I admire in my life. I don’t feel good about that by the way. I’m not saying it to sound really cool or alpha or something. I’m being honest.

[Anonymous No.23174586]

>>23174510
>Without Christianity we'd have no immigration and every people would be hyper-racist and proud of their ethnic cults. We'd have constant war.
But at least there would be pride. And we could all die with dignity, like men, for the people we love.

[Anonymous No.23174588]

I wouldn’t consider them role models exactly but I have known a few people who I would say are a lot closer than the competition. They’re all artists and a couple are academics. I think modern civilization is basically so rotten, that you’re more likely to find a diamond in the rough around the fringes or on the ivory tower, separate from the real meat of the civilization. The businessmen, the lawyers, the media personnel, the politicians, these people are ignominious frauds. Their arenas select for that which is not to be admired. Another guy who think is a pretty good guy, maybe not admirable but a lot better than his contemporaries at least from what I can tell, Jonathan Pageau (friends with JBP) talked about this in a lecture. He talked about how in the city of God, you find the freaks on the edges. That’s why medieval manuscripts have the weird stuff around the margins. But in the modern world, he says, the core is the freak show, the normal and the heroic is pushed to the margins. He’s speaking as an artist obviously, but it illustrates the point that’s resonated with me anyway. That’s that the teachers, if they’re to be found at all, are found mainly on the margins. The ones not on the margins are really few and far between to the point they practically don’t exist.

[Anonymous No.23174622]

The one and only
https://youtu.be/gdrmAWACSfk?si=LV3G1he2mjhAHDt9
https://youtu.be/rT2WRSLiSCc?si=zc-k3h0e-oW6GPA9

[Anonymous No.23174626]

>>23173746
Economics: Richard Werner, Friedrich List, Sun Yat-Sen, Stephen Zarlenga, Alexander Del Mar, Alexander Hamilton, Joseph Schumpeter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfX_rNOeTXw

[Anonymous No.23174646]

>>23174586
That sounds more like mass cuckoldry to me

[Anonymous No.23174773]

>>23174510
You're just making stuff up.
Pre-Christian Rome was more multicultural than Christian Frankia.

[Anonymous No.23174782]

Yet another thread derailed by christcucks

[Anonymous No.23174789]

>>23173746
I grew up without a father and I'm fairly confident it ruined my life. Also my single mother.

I'm too old to have a father figure surrogate now, and could only enjoy such a paternal presence vicariously through a boy of my own.
I'm Sad!

[Anonymous No.23174797]

>>23174116
op can't delete, newfag

[Anonymous No.23174806]

>>23173746
Adolph Hitler

[Anonymous No.23174814]

>>23173746
Žižek

>Tate is an actor.
Tate is all what you described Peterson and Rogan to be and worse. Acting is the least concern here.
>DFW killed himself.
Plenty of insight!

[Anonymous No.23174833]

>>23174782
You people have such stunning lack of self awareness and so much like the charicatures of the Jews you hate so much.

One person replied that a role model was the historical figure of Jesus Christ, a totally reasonable reply and immediately, you freaks started reeing and screeing like mad leftists. Your kind even went so far as to assert blatantly counter factual history about Ancient Rome.

You’re the most pathetic and obnoxious group of people on the internet, sincerely.

[Anonymous No.23174838]

>>23174833
>You people
What do you mean, "you people"?

[Anonymous No.23174855]

>>23174838
Cringey reply

[Anonymous No.23174868]

>>23174855
nah yours is

[Anonymous No.23174871]

Do you mean to tell me you guys don’t look up to Bronze Age Pervert, Andrew Tate, Patrick Bet David, Sean Strickland, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Matt Walsh, or Donald Trump? Uh, okay beta males. Don’t you want to be masculine winners?

[Anonymous No.23174890]

>>23174871
>Do you mean to tell me you guys don’t look up to Bronze Age Pervert, Andrew Tate, Patrick Bet David, Sean Strickland, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Matt Walsh
No.
>or Donald Trump
Yes, because he's a billionaire and former (and future) U.S. President who has made more leftist faggots seethe than anyone in history.

[Anonymous No.23174897]

>>23174890
Dumps a retard

[Anonymous No.23174910]

>>23173750
This.

>>23173753
Good book. I would add Wallace's "Philosophical Mysticism in Plato and Hegel," which is more about reflexive freedom than mysticism proper.

Also Boethius' "Consolation of Philosophy," for a great counterpoint to the modern consoomer perspective we are forcefed.

>>23173759
First, you have an under developed conception of the telos of woman. "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

There is no priority here. All human beings have access to the Logos. All benefit from focusing on the immutable things of God, not the mutable things of creation sans God. Being a mother is a greater goal than being a consumer, but it is not the end goal for woman. Aristotle's argument that the contemplative life is highest and most divine on Book X of the Ethics applies just as much for women. St. Augustine has the right of it, the true purpose for all mankind is the contemplation of, and union with the divine nature — theosis.

>Capitalism swallows everything up and makes everything about consuming material goods and competing with the neighbour for who can consume more.

Yes, well it's funny how many "Western chauvinists," can't shake this mindset. For over a millennia virgins who had taken an oath of poverty were the most respected class of people and trades were judged in the production of beauty, not in terms of volume and growth. Grasping is one of Aristotle's vices — today it is particularly seen as a virtue in conservative circles.

In San Francisco, a city named after a homeless saint, people cry out for their absolute disgust with poverty. Not just with the vice that pervades, which is a true illness, but at the poverty itself, at the "lack of production." They'd spit on St. Francis today, laugh at the sack cloth, and tell him to get a job.

The values of the old world are sadly lost to time, like MacIntyre says.

[Anonymous No.23174911]

>>23174897
nah you are

[Anonymous No.23174917]

>>23174910
I would start reading Ephesians at 5:22 bud.

[Anonymous No.23174918]

>>23174911
Comer, you're drunk.

[Anonymous No.23174922]

>>23174911
This video when it came up was actually a revelation to me. It made me remember just how much of my K-12 education was basically civic indoctrination and how much it exalted civil rights and the civil rights activist as hero while condemning racialists, fundamentalists, traditionalists and just anyone who posed any particular banner of civil rights, people like that as villains. I realized by leftists are the way they are and why conservatives are so weak in that moment.

[Anonymous No.23174929]

>>23174454
You are setting up a false dichotomy between being driven by consumerism — the appetites and the passions — and having your entire purpose in life be your individual family and service to them. A mother whose developed her idea of the good and who serves justice and the good — God — will be a better mother than one who simply goes by the motto "family first."

And it seems a little self serving to assume this is the true purpose of woman when apparently you are the person they should be serving lol.

A woman who is a good mother because she knows the Good is going to be far more stable as an actually good mother than one who good mother solely due to social pressures and expectations. But this then leads back to intellectual development, and not all women are meant to be mothers just as not all men are meant to be fathers, either due to deficits or other talents.

As Hildegard holds, the higher calling would seem to be marriage to Christ, and indeed it seems hard to argue that nuns cannot fulfill their telos.

[Anonymous No.23174943]

>>23174922
just wait until you find out that the holocaust didn't actually happen

[Anonymous No.23174944]

>>23174917
Yes, and Paul specifically says that it is better for people NOT to marry if they can avoid temptation. So how exactly does that support the contention that the purpose of woman is primarily marriage and child rearing?

Further, consider what it means for the husband to be head of the household as Christ was head of the Apostles. Was Christ served by the Apostles? Did he have them strive for his personal comfort and happiness? Or did he put them first? Did he declare that he who would lead must become a servant and wash their feet?

[Anonymous No.23174949]

>>23174897
That's his scrotum.

[Anonymous No.23174979]

>>23174943
I think it did happen. I don’t necessarily think it happened as commonly accepted, but it definitely happened.

[Anonymous No.23174983]

>>23174944
It doesn’t but this gender universalism you said is not biblical. A man is a head of a marriage like Jesus is the head of a church. A woman achieves theosis precisely through her husband. It is not democratic.

[Anonymous No.23174988]

>>23174944
The apostles did indeed serve Christ though they didn’t strive necessarily for his comfort. Nobody is calling for that.

[Anonymous No.23174989]

>>23174949
I sense you're an expert on that topic

[Anonymous No.23175036]

>>23174983
>A woman achieves union with God through her created husband the same way man achieves union with God through Christ.

This isn't even a bad misinterpretation of what Paul is saying, but downright blasphemous, raising up husbands to the role of God, which is not what Paul is intending. Paul is talking about the authority proper to families. Men do not "become Christ," for their wives, nor can any man grant theosis.

Further, this sets up the absurdity that women who get married to sinful or unbelieving husbands, perhaps without their own choice, perhaps through the husband falling away, are then blocked from Christ, as if a husband can block the divine.

No one said it was democratic, this is a strawman. Christ didn't rule the Apostles through democracy, but nor did he rule in the way of worldy kings.

>>23174988
No? A woman's purpose IS her kids and husband? No, a woman's purpose is like any humans' purpose, to do the will of God. If a husband or child becomes wicked then her role is not to support wickedness but to do what is holy. "For you shall be holy as I am holy."

Further, if this is THE telos of woman, it becomes impossible to explain Paul's reference to avoiding marriage, not to mention explaining why women are listed among the officers of the churches in the Epistles.

[Anonymous No.23175056]

>>23174979
It actually didn't, though.

[Anonymous No.23175057]

>>23175036
And the will of God is for a woman to serve her husband. This is biblical. What is not clear about this?

[Anonymous No.23175063]

>>23175036
>[23] For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

That’s Ephesians, dummy. Is Ephesians blasphemous?

[Anonymous No.23175100]

>>23174989
No I'm not a doctor. Never finished college.

[Anonymous No.23175127]

>>23174626
Good reccs

[Anonymous No.23175149]

>>23175100
Sucking dicks to much

[Anonymous No.23175159]

>>23174814
Zizek is too clownish to idolize

[Anonymous No.23175196]

Kenneth Clark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX_r9R98DiY

[Anonymous No.23176005]

You guys still arguing about how all of the spiritual systems across Earth aren't talking about the exact same thing
Wow

[Anonymous No.23176007]

>>23173750
OY VEY

[Anonymous No.23176080]

>>23174216
Meanwhile an Orthodox was on point on dogma and also did more than the Chinese peasant, the Orthodox man goes to Paradise in high glory, the Chinese peasant, being outside the sole way of salvation and being dumb will go to hell but will await the ressurectaion where there's a chance he might get some good eternal state due to his merits in isolation, his intentions.

[Anonymous No.23176086]

>>23174929
small chance to find such a woman in Church, next to 0 level to find such a woman in the world, your life will be hell with a modern woman

[Anonymous No.23176097]

>>23174293
And way worse things will occur to you.

[Anonymous No.23176126]

>>23175127
Thank you, we out here

[Anonymous No.23176184]

>>23173746
Stop shit talking the teachers because they had one bad day or one short wallet cat got their tongue

[Anonymous No.23176309]

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[Anonymous No.23176456]

>>23174277
>it’s written in the Quran
The Quran includes the teaching that ‘Islam’ (lit. Submission (to God)) is an eternal teaching that has existed timelessly and was also manifested throughout the Jewish and Christian messengers, prophets and teachers long before Muhammad, from Adam to Jesus and John the Baptist. It includes, as well, an injunction of respect for The People of the Book, explicitly taken to include at least Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, and the Sabaeans, for being monotheists with a written set of scriptures they followed and regarded in the Quran as having received real divine guidance they followed. (Although Islam follows up by saying it is itself the most modern, complete, and perfect revelation, and the former traditions, although having grains of truth, became subject to distortion).

In the original view of Islam, “Allah” simply is the Arabic word for God and the same being as Jehovah of the Jews or God the Father and the Holy Spirit of Christianity (which the Quran simply calls at times the ruh, spirit, or other appellations adding an adjective to ruh, like the holy or trustworthy spirit, and they of course differ on the idea of Jesus as God the Son). So there’s a little map-and-territory confusion here, the original teaching when they say “Islam is the only true religion” is that it’s indeed the primordial spiritual revelation of God but that also came through Judaism and Christianity at one point, if not other teachings.

[Anonymous No.23176660]

>>23174773
Only ethnic Romans were Roman citizens though. The others were slaves.

>>23174646
Everybody would get to die in war and the women would be in the kitchej. It's just.

[Anonymous No.23176668]

>>23174910
Woman is a rib of man and it's man that's in God's image. Men that let women wear the pants have gay sons.

A woman should always be put in her place.

[Anonymous No.23176677]

>>23176660
>Only ethnic Romans were Roman citizens though. The others were slaves.
Still just making stuff up. After losing their armies around 100BC they started elevating conquered people to become soldiers and later full citizens. Elevating the conquered became a formula for gaining political power. Caesar came to power using that formula. The empire was a complete melting pot and IQ dropped rapidly from its peak in around 300BC.

[Anonymous No.23176679]

>>23175036
>>23175057
Woman is made to be in the kitchen and have kids. End of story.

Feminists want all men to be gay so they can rule the world. That's literally their goal.

[Anonymous No.23176693]

>>23176677
Empire doesn't work. Ojce you try to make am emipre it starts to fall already.

The Germanic tribes had the right organization. Keep it in tribes; local; and have war occasionally to purge the weak. The Aztecs had a different but similar system.

It all comes from the Ancient North Eurasians that carried the warrior spirit.

[Anonymous No.23176712]

>>23173746
Your dad your fatherless faggot. Why are you looking at random bitch ass men for advice?

[Anonymous No.23176787]

>>23176712
What if your dad is weak? Most dads are weak.

They married women who control them like dogs.

[Anonymous No.23176835]

>>23176693
Local is good but you're still just making up stories. Germanic tribes were nomadic and Aztecs married into other tribes. The Spanish used an Aztec princess that had been married off to their rivals for info.

[Anonymous No.23176861]

>>23176097
I am not afraid.

[Anonymous No.23176865]

>>23176080
No man is condemned to the fires of hell due to his knowledge; but solely due to his orientation toward others, God and life, as well as toward himself.
All these mean the same thing.

[Anonymous No.23176881]

>>23176865
>as well as toward himself
That's the only thing that matters.

[Anonymous No.23176882]

>>23176881
Not so.
To love others and to love one's self, and to love God and life, are the same thing.

[Anonymous No.23176887]

>>23173746
Look local, or niche. People talking about something and not caring, even actively rejecting 'building an audience.' Hell, fuck the internet entirely and find people IRL who are engaged in some sort of creative effort. Note, creative means 'making something where before there wasn't.' Not just literary, or painting, but carpentry, hobby building, shit even train models. A good role model lives an honest life and is content with their self. Everything beyond that is window dressing.

[Anonymous No.23176899]

>>23176865
Well Jesus and 2000 years of Christianity argues against your invention.
There's only only way to save your soul and that's Jesus, through Jesus, outside there's only damnation for you are a sinner and the punishment of sin is eternal death.

[Anonymous No.23176900]

>>23176882
God cam love himself and so can others. Your responsibility is to love yourself and do what you like.

[Anonymous No.23176903]

>>23176865
I think you happen to define God as Satan, this is why terms need to be clarified because we're clearly not having the same referent.

[Anonymous No.23176907]

>>23176899
I agree, and have said nothing to the contrary.
>>23176900
True, but not in the way you think.

[Anonymous No.23176909]

>>23176903
God is the Master of Reality, and Satan is the false God.

[Anonymous No.23176912]

>>23176907
Well some people "knew" that Jesus was a mere intermediary, divine indeed, between God and creation and his relationship to every single other Bishop in the Church was that they are all wrong, such a guy and his follower do end up in hell due to their faulty knowledge, which further leads to a dissolution of the relationship they had in the body of Christ, that now they're separated from, on account of faulty knowledge.
Eg. Protestantism.

[Anonymous No.23176913]

>>23176907
>True, but not in the way you think.
How do you know?

[Anonymous No.23176915]

A Protestant is guaranteed to go to hell but God can have mercy with some people for unknown reasons.

[Anonymous No.23176925]

>>23176909
Very good. I was mixing threads. I wasn't even aware I was on on /lit/ now.
God for sure validates solid metaphysical foundations and good intentions and acts towards people as you stated.

[Anonymous No.23176946]

>>23176913
I dont know -- I have faith. Knowledge is worthless.

[Anonymous No.23176951]

>>23176912
Who's preaching contraries now?

[Anonymous No.23176967]

>OP posts "hey who are some good examples of standout people in modern society?"
>thread devolves into theological shitflinging

[Anonymous No.23176968]

Nick Mullen, good takes, lives his life doing what he loves, refuses to sell out.

I mean from time to time he's depressed and and addict.. but eh at least there isn't a 10 hours compilation of him crying

[Literally me No.23176981]

>>23173746
Yourself.

Stop looking at other men to teach you things.

[Anonymous No.23177018]

>>23176951
there are no contraries, you must be a protestant westerner with an either/or mindset and no nuance, no 2000 years of experience against demons either

[Anonymous No.23177023]

>>23177018
Either/or mindset?
Didn't you just say anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ will burn in hell no matter what?

[Anonymous No.23177036]

>>23176946
>I have faith
Faith in Jews? In Zoroastrian?

You do know that dualism is the condition for borderline personality right? And that borderline personality is a precursor to narcissism?

[Anonymous No.23177040]

>>23177036
>Zoroastrian
Zoroaster.

[Anonymous No.23177093]

At the end of the day is yourself or himself.
/thread
bonus if you have good family members or friends or good opposite sex partner.
There is no tutorial to life really.you were just born and that´s it
if you think you did not choose to be born anymore than asking to die in a car accident.

[Anonymous No.23177141]

>>23177036
In God Almighty.

[Anonymous No.23177147]

>>23177141
And who is he? The nigger from which whom you descend?

We were all coons once. That's the truth.

Tolkien got it wrong, it was not elves that turned to coons but coons that turned to elves.

[Anonymous No.23177191]

>>23177147
>I'm a schizo. See how I write.
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>Did you know muh high school science? I'm smart
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>Here is a non sequitur LOTR reference because I don't believe in Santa

[Anonymous No.23177200]

>>23177191
If you're looking for the source look within your own love. There is nothing in the past that will save you.

But you're quite stupid so good luck. Intelligence is not schizophrenia; it's exactly the opposite.

[Anonymous No.23177209]

>>23177147
The Master of Reality.

[Anonymous No.23177219]

>>23177200
>Platitude. Cliche.
REDDIT SPACING
>I am actually very smart. Please acknowledge my intelligence, my family said I was smart once and that's my entire personality.

[Anonymous No.23177235]

>>23177219
It's day 1 everyday. The past doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.23177242]

>>23177235
Go by a cursive stencil and write it on your wall.

[Anonymous No.23177562]

>>23176967
First time eh?

[Anonymous No.23177709]

>>23177562
I haven't been here since 2015

[Anonymous No.23177924]

>>23177562
>>23177709
These are the important conversations of the times. The OP is the topic.

[Anonymous No.23177958]

>>23175063
No, a reading where mortal men are the "savior" of other humans is what is blasphemous. It is clear in the original Greek that "his body, of which he is the Savior" refers to the church as the body of Christ and Christ as savior of ALL the members of his body, not just men and unmarried women. There is nothing here that suggests husbands as intermediaries and Hebrews lays clear the ridiculousness of positing sinful men as taking on the role of Christ as the perfect priest.

A more accurate rendering is "yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body."

This is why women still receive the Eucharist, or why women are baptized, rather than receiving the sacraments through their husband's body, which would be ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.23177977]

>>23177958
The rib is obviously not still in your body. You lost the rib and now have to hear it yap.

It's still yours.

[Anonymous No.23179311]

>>23173746
Why do you need a father figure or a mentor?

[Anonymous No.23179365]

>>23179311
We all do.
There's only one Father though.

[Anonymous No.23179375]

>>23173746
Why do you need a role model, is it like a Christian thing? You're waiting for a saviour, no one is going to save you.
You could simply be doing the things you want to do, think what you want, dress how you want, make your own goals.

[Anonymous No.23179381]

>>23179375
No human being is an island and can do anything on their own. You've never done anything on your own in your entire life.

[Anonymous No.23179385]

>>23179381
You get strangely decisive when it comes to defending the need for someone to think for you. How did you do that without me telling you who to model yourself on?

[Anonymous No.23179390]

>>23173746
Don't make anyone your role model who you don't know in real life or who is not dead. Your grandpa? Sure. Teddy Roosevelt or Julius Caesar or something? Sure. Some social media influencer or celebrity? Absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.23179391]

>>23179385
Do you breathe on your own?

[Anonymous No.23179397]

>>23179390
Role model is another word for idol

[Anonymous No.23179426]

>>23179397
Nothing wrong with having an idol in principle as long as you choose wisely.

[Anonymous No.23179431]

>>23179426
There's only one wise choice; and by definition, when you make it, you're not choosing an idol.
There's no problem with recognizing the accomplishments of a brother and being happy to see him flourishing.
But to idolize him is to idolize that which is fallible.

[Anonymous No.23179450]

I think that modern life just selects and makes people be bad role models. Think about how hard it is to strive to be a classical sort of man and still be even moderately successful at anything. Very hard.

[Anonymous No.23179465]

>>23179450
It's not a modern problem.
Nearly 2000 years ago, this world killed Jesus Christ. We are coming up on the anniversary.
Expect some wild stuff.

[Anonymous No.23179470]

>>23179431
yeah I agree with that. Choosing a fallible role model might even be the best option, because you yourself are fallible as well, and you can learn from how your role model dealt with failure.

The problem with idolizing an infallible, perfect person like Jesus is because he never had to fail. As a human, you will inevitably deal with failure, so it's good to learn from the people who have failed before you so you can deal with it properly.

[Anonymous No.23179474]

>>23173750
This. Wash your penis.

[Anonymous No.23179484]

Yourself. Sacrifice yourself to yourself. Discover your sufficient reason, the principle you were born to manifest, and become a law unto yourself, like Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad.

That is the true goal of life.

[Anonymous No.23179491]

Conan

[Anonymous No.23179493]

>>23173750
FPBP

[Anonymous No.23179508]

>>23179470
Jesus failed often, in terms of how we as people tend to judge failure and success. The only reason he was perfect was because he loved everyone unconditionally and didn't hold anything against anyone.
You can absolutely do that.

[Anonymous No.23179510]

>>23179508
If Jesus failed, then he was not infallible. Are you saying that Jesus isn't infallible?

[Anonymous No.23179550]

>>23179510
I'm saying that love is infallible

[Anonymous No.23179551]

>>23179465
It is a modern problem. Just because a fallen world killed Christ doesn’t mean there was nobody in the world worth being a role model. In fact, the very existence of Christ demonstrates this. It’s only in the modern world, the world that cannot even muster a Christ or a Pilate is there nobody worth admiring. This is a world that elevates technocrats, technicians, lowest common denominator appeals, social climbers, corporate sharks, degenerate musicians, and others like that and pushes down the others. There are no great men. There are hardly any men. It’s the worst time to be alive in this regard probably ever.

[Anonymous No.23179589]

>>23179551
>Just because a fallen world killed Christ doesn’t mean there was nobody in the world worth being a role model.
Insofar as that's true, the same thing is true still today. And it so far as it wasn't, it is not today.

[Anonymous No.23179624]

>>23179589
No I disagree because fallenness described a natural state. It doesn’t describe a state of sin. To sin is a greater evil than to be fallen. So take Christ as your model of virtue. Whether you’re a Christian or not a Christian. It doesn’t matter. Just for the sake of argument take him as the moral compass. The world before Christ was fallen and in error. But the world after Christ, in so far as it turns away from Christ, is not just fallen or error. It’s actually wicked. It’s not good. Where before men strive for good and sometimes fell short, today they don’t fall short. They don’t even try. Indeed, they can’t try. There were seeds of the logos. There are no fallen leaves of the logos. So just because both would be fallen doesn’t mean one is better than the other. The pre-Christian Romans and Greeks lived in times of great heroes, politicians, scholars, poets, all sorts of admirable figures. It was a time where to be successful, you had to be well-spoken, courageous, and though some were successful from shrewdness others were successful from being able to inspire admiration in others. But we live in a time of basically nothing and nobody. The only way to be successful is to be shrewd and lacking a moral compass, lacking in virtue. We don’t have Pompeys or Scipios or Scipios or Herotoduses or Xenophons. We have Kardashians and Musks. The whole thing is a sick joke. A clown world. A literal world for clowns. Where the most successful is the biggest circus freak.

[Anonymous No.23179633]

>>23179624
Men were sinning before Christ, after Christ, and still do today.
All you've described to me is your eyes.

[Anonymous No.23179701]

Was your father a good father? Did he provide for you and your siblings? Feed you and clothe you? Did he love your mother and did he remain faithful to her? If so, then your role model should be your father. If he was a failure as a father than look to Christ, St. Joseph, and your well-adjusted friendly neighbor with a stable family environment.

There is nothing more heroic than a man providing for his family and protecting them from the globohomo.

[Anonymous No.23179930]

[Anonymous No.23180769]

>>23179484
Very good.

[Anonymous No.23180781]

>>23179930
The world should be rephrased to your parents. Specifically your mother.

[Anonymous No.23180830]

>>23173746
Marvin Lee Heemeyer

[Anonymous No.23181044]

>>23173746
>Who's a good role model today?
Gabriele D'Annunzio

[Anonymous No.23181046]

>>23179550
An army of lovers can't be broken

[Anonymous No.23181656]

>>23179930
Based

[Anonymous No.23181663]

>>23179930
This guy was a loser. If he didn’t write shitty books that ended up nonetheless popular, nobody would think highly of him.

[Anonymous No.23182410]

>>23173746
Our Lord Jesus Christ