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>bro just don't hecking do anything or think about anything or try to perceive or be anything ever
I can't decide if it's the most retarded or most based philosophy ever. I guess the bell curve IQ meme is real.

>> No.23165914
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23165914

>>23165899
Don’t fall into the trap. Get rich, have kids, and then when you’re old, you can become enlightened. Otherwise you will regret wasting your youth

>> No.23165918

>>23165899
It’s both, everything in between, and everything that isn’t understood

>> No.23165926

Think about it, if you don't think about it you don't have a problem to think about.

>> No.23165937

>>23165899
There is a fine line between eastern philosophy/mysticism being based and profound and being absolutely retarded nonsense. Confucius seemed to have some good things to say, whenever I see his quotes pop up somewhere they seem to come from a based and enlightened person. Then I see some shit like “just don’t do anything or be anything” tier mumbo jumbo and I wonder if it’s not all gobbledygook entirely. Man has a purpose on this world, he’s not a fuckin smooth stone in the bottom of a river

>> No.23165952

>>23165899
You got filtered hard. Everything is already perfect and that includes you, so do anything you want and don't let philosophy get in the way of you.

>> No.23165958

>>23165952
> Everything is already perfect
this doesn’t mean anything

>> No.23165962

>>23165958
It means you will never find anything better.

>> No.23165973

>>23165962
so you would be fine if you suddenly incarnated as a random human on earth? Some smelly pajeet in an overcrowded Indian city? Or maybe a child with some horrible disease? If you had a wife and you came home and she was fucking another man, would this be perfect to you? Would you do anything to change it? Are you a cuck?

>> No.23165976

>>23165937
Confucius was semi-retarded

>> No.23165980

>>23165973
>Are you a cuck?
Are you? You're suggesting crying over spilled milk. The Tao Te Ching suggests to stop being a faggot and get on with your life.

>> No.23165986

>>23165980
according to you, there is no reason to do anything. No reason to kick her out of the house. No reason to get a divorce. Everything is perfect.

>> No.23165990

>>23165986
>according to you, there is no reason to do anything
Rather, do anything, because it'll always be the right move to make.

>> No.23165996

>>23165990
so clean up her pussy after they’re done? Is that right?

>> No.23166000

>>23165996
>Is that right?
You have to ask yourself this question. Do you want to? Do you imagine doing so with your tongue? Then go for it, faggot.

>> No.23166001

>>23165996
Nta but u seem very fixated on this idea of being cucked. So what’s the right move, killing her? The Daodejing will always defeat overthinkers

>> No.23166010

>>23166001
I wouldn’t be married in the first place. Women are meant to be bred, and minimally supported for the sake of the child. Being a husband is inherently feminine regardless of how loyal the woman is.

>> No.23166016

>>23166010
Ahh, I see…a seething incel probably frothing at the mouth, can’t even keep muh woman screeds and rants out of a Daodejing thread. I’ll carry on

>> No.23166022

>>23166016
>seething incel
is that… bad? I thought everything was…. perfect….

>> No.23166023

>>23165899
Ah yes, the philosophy that gestated hordes after hordes of chinese bots. Have you realized how chinks excel at math/science and are the most productive people on earth? Its because they are just bots that dont bother to ask further questions, they just do what needs to be done and thats about it.

Based? Yes. But also incredibly soulless.

>> No.23166109

Literally all Eastern philosophies and religions are just smoke and mirrors with no actual substance to them.

>> No.23166116
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>>23166109
>eastern philosophy on surface: smoke and mirrors
>western philosophy on surface: le serious thinkers
>eastern philosophy under the surface: answers the ultimate questions of life, is spiritually enriching and leads to peace and fulfillment
>western philosophy under the surface: vacuous sparing over language games and pointless autism about “this-person-isms” that are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

>> No.23166123

>>23166022
Everything is as it should be. But the sages need not consort with brutes...

>> No.23166162

>>23165914
You need at least 80 years of work to reach the highest state in taoist enlightenment (which is the state of immortality). Also if you have too much sex you won't have enough sexual energy left to fuel the transformation

>> No.23166170

>>23166023
What an ignorant post. Modern China is based on Marxism, which is almost the complete opposite of Taoism

>> No.23166178

>>23165937
>Man has a purpose on this world, he’s not a fuckin smooth stone in the bottom of a river
Yes his purpose is to understand on a profound level the Truth of reality. His purpose is not to make a ton of money, or have sex.

>> No.23166341

>>23165980
>stop being a faggot and get on with your life
what other than getting rich and having kids does that even entail in todays society

>> No.23166346

>before enlightenment, get rich have kids
>after enlightenment, get rich have kids

>> No.23166401

>>23166178
>His purpose is not have sex.
Anon..

>> No.23166405

>>23166116
cowdungeaterpepe.jpg looks so peaceful.

>> No.23166412

>>23166341
You're already wrong when you talk about society when reflecting on what your life should be. You have to know by yourself what you want and should do.

>> No.23166421

>>23166412
sure but you also have to look out that you don't get steamrolled by society just like an ascetic in a forest has to be careful about wild animals

>> No.23166459

>>23166421
Yes that's right as a secondary layer you should seek to harmonize with society, because going out of your way to fight society would go against Wu Wei.

>> No.23166739

>>23166401
>the mortal fears the volcel

>> No.23166801
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>>23166116
>leads to peace and fulfillment
such a personal endeavour cannot be reduced to mere dualities

>> No.23166873

>>23165899
i mean it literally works. same with meditation. like you could just meditate all the time. but are you willing to make that change? probably not.

>> No.23167367

>>23165990
What a toxic and ridiculous idea

>> No.23167377

>>23166178
From a purely fundamental, biological basis humans (and all living creatures) sole purpose is to have sex actually. It is because we have gained consciousness that we have to quibble about how our purpose extends beyond eating, surviving and having sex. If our purpose is nothing else, it is to have sex.

>> No.23167513

>>23165899
You either get it or you don't, as this thread shows
Just bee yourself

>> No.23167541

>>23167367
>toxic
buzzword

>> No.23167690

>>23167541
>buzzword
thought terminating cliche

>> No.23167691

>>23167367
>>23165990
isn't it basically the same as the stoic idea of accepting fate or amor fati? Things are as they are and there is no other way things could be than how they are. On a surface level that might look like apathy like the cuckold obsessed anon itt, but to me it's about not perceiving a fact as a personal offense against you from the universe and impotently raging against the heavens about it.
>>23167377
function is not purpose. An organism's way of replicating itself can't be its purpose anymore than any other physiological function. If sex is purpose than so is metabolism. Does 75 IQ Shar'quandrus with 5 baby mommas fulfills his purpose better than childless Nikola Tesla?

>> No.23167724

>>23165937
This is true. A lot of daoism mumbo jumbo garbage which is basically just the influence of clueless people over the ages. Becoming one with Dao is actually easy to understand, it is to become one with the world. Sitting in a cave or at top of a mountain will not achieve. Ancient Daoist did not how to achieve it but in a modern world the answer is clear: science. World is governed by physical laws, only through science one can understand and become one with the world.

>> No.23167742

>>23167724
bait

>> No.23167748

>>23167690
>thought terminating cliche
Yes, that's what a buzzword is.

>> No.23168536

>>23166023
This. The worst parts of the Daodejing are when it says things like “don’t aspire to be wealthy or powerful because that makes the have-nots jealous and harms society.” Totally foreign idea to me as a westerner. When I read that I just see hordes of soulless Chinese bug people and their blank staring faces.

>> No.23168822

>>23165899
I think having a Daoist acceptance of existence is the best way to view life, but most of the Daodejing is not about that. It’s about not acting in the world and striving to be invisible, for your own sake as well as for the good of the community. It comes across as soulless. Anti-individual, anti-striving, in a sense, anti-life. But in all fairness you can kind of say that about all religions.
I like he Hindu belief that there are two ways to achieve eternity: the transcendental path of non-action and enlightenment (basically what the Daodejing describes) and the path of action and sacrifice for the Good (that is, for Krishna).
I tend to agree that most of the asiatic religions feel “atheistic.” And the pagan religions of the West are too specific and fairytale-like. The religions that unify these two attributes (Christianity, Hinduism, maybe Buddhism) are the most interesting to me.

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>>23165899
based and /calm/

>> No.23168918

>>23168822
Daodejing shit is retarded, it does not even feel like Daoism but some dumb hindu influence.
Probably about 90% of various Daoist teachings are fake or some kind of subversion, only the remaining 10%, the very foundation of Daoism are genuine.

>> No.23168937

>>23165937
>Man has a purpose on this world
source?

>> No.23168945

>>23165899
This is one book where the practice doesnt appear to resemble the first book at all. I guess I'd have to get more history and context to understand the life of a Taoist.

>> No.23168969

>>23168945
It doesn't because Daoism had to """evolve""" to compete as an idea against retarded legalists and mohists. Then they pay homage to Laozi but don't follow his words at all.

>> No.23169187

Are there any good commentaries on this book?

>> No.23169423

>>23168822
>>23168969
where does Daoism stray significantly from Daodejing? asking as somebody who's read parts of the DDJ but doesnt know more besides that.

>> No.23169829

>>23168918
>only the remaining 10%, the very foundation of Daoism are genuine
But isn't the Tao Te Ching considered to be the foundational text?

>> No.23169834

>>23169829
Then its just retarded ideology no different to the isms of present day.

>> No.23169905

>>23165899
>>23165937
as a more or less universal method, if something in philosophy looks "retarded", the problem is you

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23169953

imagine trying to find a coherent and applicable life philosophy in the 21st century industrialized west, based off some 3000 year old oriental nursery rhymes written by drunkards

>> No.23170164

>>23165937
>Man has a purpose on this world, he’s not a fuckin smooth stone in the bottom of a river
Every stone along the riverbed serves it's purpose effortlessly. That is the Tao of the river stone

>> No.23170175

>>23170164
Simp take.

The real purpose of a river stone is to become more. Become a man or become something even higher than a man.

>> No.23170212

>>23170175
retarded take, you will never find the way like this

>> No.23170222

>>23165899
Wu wei is effortlessly going with the flow of life, not necessrily just doing nothing anon.

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>>23169187

>> No.23170245

>>23170212
It's the only correct take, I don't know if I am going to find it or not, the possibility is very small however I am actively looking it.

>> No.23170253

>>23166023
>the philosophy that gestated hordes after hordes of chinese bots
Chinese society has been dominated by various schools of thought throughout history but Confucianism with bouts of Legalism has been generally the standard rather than Taoism. Even the current Chinese government, beneath all the flowery language about Marxism and Socialism, it's mostly a mix of Legalism and Confucianism, both of which have always been a lot more appealing to rulers than Taoism or Mohism.

>> No.23170258

This board is dumber than /pol/.

>> No.23170433

>>23169953
Not every reads books with the intent of becoming an acolyte of them.

>> No.23170536

>>23170258
Naturally, /pol is the smartest board

>> No.23170557

>>23170245
you won't find it if you actively look, and you won't find it if you think you have to become more. you just have to be

>> No.23170621

>>23168822
>Christianity
lolwut? Can you elaborate?

>> No.23170643

>>23170557
That a simp take designed for the unwashed low iq masses.
The one things that probably all eastern philosohies agree on is change, change is required for pretty much everything, and just being is the very opposite of change.

>> No.23170672

>>23170643
Buzzwords won't get you anywhere friend
Being is change as change is being
go with the flow

>> No.23170706

>>23167377
literally redit, the post.

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>>23165899
>bro just don't hecking do anything or think about anything or try to perceive or be anything ever
That isn't what the tao is saying. it is saying to eliminate earthly desires and ambitions, which are based and men, and to base your life in God and the ordinances of Heaven, and then you will actually be 'doing' something for the first time in your life. In part it is advocating for a monastic lifestyle, and denying feelings or care as to what the 'world' thinks. It obviously filtered you hard. Many such cases. Confucious is more or less advocating the same thing, but in different language.

>> No.23170736

it doesn't help the better known, most available translations took the mystic angle a bit seriously out of a lack of understanding the context in which the work was written. it was written as a manual for a ruler to ponder on

>> No.23170837

>>23170672
No, reject the flow that everyone is going with, make your own flow and go with it, let no one else follow you.

>> No.23171405

>>23170837
so you´re still going with the flow

>> No.23171540

>>23170621
Jesus was an Essene Jew, basically a Buddhist Jew. The story of the Bible is about the nation of Judea which awaits a messiah, expecting him to be a great king and conquer their enemies. When he arrives, he is a humble servant, who rejects the legalism and rituals of the Pharisees and commands people to pursue a transformation of the soul. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind, and love your fellow man as I have loved you.
Christianity is simultaneously a story about particular people in particular times, centering around the personhood of Jesus Christ, but it also has a creed promoting, in some sense, a rejection of the self and of desires, pursuing a complete inner transformation to become a vessel for God’s love. Daoism represents a path towards enlightenment, but it’s missing a personal element. Christianity has Christ, Hinduism has Krishna. That’s how I see it.

>> No.23171685

>>23171405
I am going my own way, making my own path, there is no flow that carries me, but there may be a new flow, new branch of the river left by me.

>> No.23171917

>>23171685
I hope that one day you will understand you are a part of the path. There can be no new flow, as all flow is new. There can be no new river, as you are the river.

>> No.23172008

>>23170258
Is any board on this site actually intellect-fostering

>> No.23172166

>>23165899
This the result of angloids translating wu-wei as "non-action." It makes people think that it means dropping out and doing nothing instead of acting in a way that is spontaneous and in tune without conscious striving. Absolutely filtered.

>> No.23172174

>>23171917
There can obviously be new paths, new branches of a river. Whether you accept this or not is irrelevant, I walk my own path, you can be like a rock on riverbed.

>> No.23172181

>>23165899
You could also read it as don't resist your resistance

>> No.23172193

>>23172166
"effortless action" is I think a lot closer, although I'd go further and say it includes *allowing effort*.

>> No.23172245

>>23172174
The rock will turn into sand, into lava and into mountains again.
We are the same river my friend.

>> No.23172247

>>23172245
What if one river is a gay river and the other river is a straight hetero river and they merge somewhere before the sea?

>> No.23172255

>>23166001
Kill kill killllllll her

>> No.23172269

Anon obstructed my tao when he told me I was breathing manually

>> No.23172364

>>23167377
Yeah, but I'm not this shitbag, I'm merely a consciousness residing in it and experiencing this world through it. It would be insane for me to waste my time with the desires of the body any more than necessary, and for me to not use it to my hearts content according to my objectives.

>> No.23172402

>>23171540
based

>> No.23172417

>>23172269
Your blood is now circulating manually

>> No.23172437

>>23172417
Holy shit I'm enlightened

>> No.23173051

>>23170258
No, it's really not, and I say this as a right-wing person.

>> No.23173111

>>23165899
Mitchell's is a TERRIBLE translation only surpassed by Howard's Baudelaire. Get the MAIR translation and READ THE FUCKING NOTES.

>>23165937
Confusion: "I have met a dragon!"

Lao Tzu probably and proportionate disregard.

>>23171540
>the nation of Judea

1/12 Tribes. Israel /=/ that one southern kingdom. As for the rest, more or less -- Hekalot 'chariot mysticism' is relevant for the apocalypticism and revleations.

>> No.23173117

>>23165899
if youre making a thread to talk about the tao, guess what?

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>>23172166
>acting in a way that is spontaneous and in tune without conscious striving
how would act that way if they were about to give you the jab
how do you act harmoniously about the brain implant

>> No.23174202

>>23174192
Are they in the room with us right now anon?

>> No.23174457

>>23165914
I've already wasted my youth.

>> No.23174482

>>23174457
It's alright when you realize that the ego is an illusion, there was no youth to be wasted, you can just make love to the cosmos, which is immensely rewarding

>> No.23174511

>>23174482
As of right now I just want to kill myself honestly.

>> No.23174610

>>23166022
And in your mind the l9ne thinker walking his own path is the brute, and the sex obsessed simp is the sage?
Lmao.