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The Final Boss of Pseud Magnets.

>> No.23155319

>>23155308
I'm quite enjoying this new Dostoyevsky vs Nabokov war on /lit/ developing lately. The Dostobros seem to be winning it by their seemingly untouchable "above it all" SOVL while the naboshills can only mock and seethe at them from below. Much in the vein of Nietzsche contra Wagner.

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>>23155319
i'm not the biggest nabokov fanboy, but placing nietzsche anywhere close to nabokov is thoroughly grotesque. nabokov definitely speaks nonsense sometimes, but he walked the walk and produced beautiful writing. nietzsche is an actual pseud, unfortunately read by more than none at all.

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>>23155319
that lunatic's clock is ticking and soon the pedestrians will wake up to the fact that he was merely a journalist and not an artist.

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>>23155319
I love you Wagner-fag.

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>>23155308
Favorite stories: Updike, Cheever, Salinger.
Lmao.

>> No.23155630

>>23155626
n-naboheads how do we respond...

>> No.23155635

Every piece Nabokov ever wrote was unquestionably beautiful.
>B-but he was a pretentious assole
Who fucking cares?

>> No.23155656

>>23155635
Nabokov was ornate, flowery, & stylized. Just trying too hard to be literary. Good in short doses but nauseating at length.

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>>23155656
The Sistine Chapel is ornate, flowery, and stylized too.
Here, I took this for you. From a brief short story of his. Tell the class who you read that can write better than this.
People who whine about good prose don't even actually like literature as an art form, their opinions are worthless. You might as well just read plot summaries on wikipedia.

>> No.23155674 [DELETED] 

>>2315566
Quite alembicated... But of course, enjoyable in short doses. If you're asking who has a similar style, Flaubert, James, Updike, Proust would be the names here.

>> No.23155677

>>23155660
Quite alembicated... enjoyable in short doses. If you're asking who has a similar style, Flaubert, James, Updike, Proust would be the names here.

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>>23155660
>comparing Russian sloppa to Michelangelo

>> No.23155714

>>23155682
>Incapable of articulating anything beyond braying about things being reddit because that's what the other cool kids on his webzone say
You never should have been taught to read in the first place.

>> No.23155720

>>23155714
Indeed, you are Reddit.

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>>23155319
On the subject of Wagner, I find that Nabakov's prose, his supposed greatest (and sole?) strength, is actually quite unremarkable when compared to certain other authors, one of which is Wagner translated into English.

>> No.23155816

>>23155656
It's very sentimental.

>> No.23155854

>>23155660
Paintings and sculpture are 99% prose 1% plot, the aestethic is the most important part of the art
This is NOT the case in literature, a good prose is irrelevant if I feel like what I just read is completely shallow and devoid of meaning

>> No.23155897

>>23155816
Not at all.

>> No.23155899

>>23155897
>a swooning sky
>sultry evening
>milky sea
>"We'll be happy forever"
It's sentimental writing, brah.

>> No.23156000

>>23155660
>this is the nigga criticizing sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes
shit reads like a hallmark card

>> No.23156023

>>23155450
>animetard uttering nonsense about one of the greats
Kill yourself

>> No.23156260

>>23155809
this is a hideously pompous paragraph anon - there is literally a single sentence structure repeated through the whole thing, and the imagery is constantly polluted by concepts, which disturbs vizualization. Any paragraph of Nabokov mogs this easily by having shifts in tone, vivid and clean imagery, sense of rhythm and variation in the kind of sentences he uses.
The Germans confuse describing with medidating - ah, the ocean! The flame! And Man (with capital M!)! Does Herr Wagner ever talk about banal sun patches through the shadow of a tree, or how it feels to look at the world while standing on your hands and playing in any meaningful or interesting way?

>> No.23156287

>>23155809
Based, purple prose

>> No.23157264

>>23155816
Die

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Post authors who write better prose than Nabakov. I'll start.

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>>23157376

>> No.23157456

>>23157376
Proust, Tolstoy, Joyce, Flaubert. And that's not getting into who told a better story.

>> No.23157767

>>23157456
>tolstoy
the rest are agreeable, but tolstoy is drivel

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>>23157767

>> No.23157793

>>23157776
(you)'re a big guy

>> No.23157814

>>23155656
>Just trying too hard to be literary
It's just how some people learn the language. Wodehouse for example is just as stylised, ornate, and flowery, but he's also doing some reverse snobbery so nobody cares his parents weren't teaching him to speak English either.

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>>23155816
What's wrong with sentimentality?

>> No.23157941

>>23155809
Tbh this is pretty boring, the imagery just makes the philosophical point more vague. Nabokov’s flourish never made the events more vague (except when on purpose, like in many parts of The Eye) and were often just to be fun in-and-of-themselves.

>> No.23158544

>>23155660
Do you know someone who is intelligent and likeable enough, but nevertheless tries way too hard to seem intelligent and likeable to the point of being irritating? My eldest brother is like that. I don't dislike him as a person, but I can't stand being around him because of the way he acts around other people.
Nabokov is the literary equivalent of spending the weekend visiting my older brother.

>> No.23158560

>>23158544
lol, accurate

>> No.23160042 [DELETED] 

>>23155660
Ulysses pastiche. If it isn't directly lifted from Ulysses.

>> No.23161787

>>23157854
What the fuck is that filename?

>> No.23161791

>>23161787
it's gay and reddit as hell lel