/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23145381]

ITT: Writers and thinkers who completely shattered your worldview.

[Anonymous No.23145383]

>>23145381
Who the fuck is this Freud + Husserl mix?

[Anonymous No.23145389]

>>23145383
Lev Shestov

[Anonymous No.23145406]

I guess it's a basic bitch answer but no one did me like this again.

[Anonymous No.23145414]

[Anonymous No.23145425]

>>23145406
Were you raised in a fundamentalist baptist family?

[Anonymous No.23145430]

>>23145381
>>23145389
>>23145414
Their lovechild...

[Anonymous No.23145431]

Strogatz

[Anonymous No.23145449]

>>23145381
<3

[Anonymous No.23145454]

>>23145449
Based

[Anonymous No.23145550]

>>23145381
Shestov is great.

[Anonymous No.23145825]

>>23145389
qrd?

[Anonymous No.23145954]

>>23145381
Has anyone else aside from Shestov realized CHIM?

[Anonymous No.23145963]

>>23145381
I hated him until I read Civilization And It’s Discontents recommended by a friend

[Anonymous No.23145968]

>>23145963
This guy too, completely made me start over.

[Anonymous No.23145970]

>>23145406
People take this guys seriously?

[Anonymous No.23145982]

>>23145968
What specifically from him? His writings on History or his philosophical ones (about language, vitalism, etc.)?

[Anonymous No.23146007]

>>23145381
This dude:
>Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya
And his book:
>Introduction to Sanatana Dharma
He has more books as well, it's just that i started with that one.
He's actually not Indian, even though it my sound like some random Indian person, that's kind of the reason for why it shattered my worldview.
It's a non-Indian person that got the core of one of the most confusing and old spiritual tradition of the world.

[Anonymous No.23146014]

[Anonymous No.23146103]

>>23145381
Why is that nigga Huysmans

[Anonymous No.23146323]

>>23145381
Shestov got me out of my depression caused by disillusionment with existence after cycling through several extremist ideologies over about a half decade, and for that I owe him a lifetime of thanks

[Anonymous No.23146353]

All Jews should be made to read Shestov. Others should read him as well.

[Anonymous No.23146354]

>>23145389
>>23145550
>>23146323
why is he so great?

[Anonymous No.23146458]

>>23146354
>>23146323 (me)
Despite being a very pessimistic thinker concerning philosophy, his work All Things Are Possible is one of the most life-affirming books I've ever read. This section (Book 1, Section 33) was particularly impactful for me:
The possibilities which open out before mankind are sufficiently limited. It is impossible to see everything, impossible to know everything, impossible to rise too high above the earth, impossible to penetrate too deeply down. What has been is hidden away, what will be we cannot anticipate, and we know for certain that we shall never grow wings. Regularity, immutably regular succession of phenomena puts a term to our efforts, drives us into a regular, narrow, hardbeaten road of everyday life. But even on this road we may not wander from side to side. We must watch our feet, consider each step, since the moment we are off our guard disaster is upon us. Another life is conceivable, however: life in which the word disaster does not exist, where responsibility for one's actions, even if it be not completely abolished, at least has not such a deadly and accidental weight, and where, on the other hand, there is no "regularity," but rather an infinite number of possibilities. In such a life the sense of fear - most disgraceful to us - disappears. There the virtues are not the same as ours. Fearlessness in face of danger, liberality, even lavishness are considered virtues with us, but they are respected without any grounds.
Socrates was quite right when he argued that not all courage, but only the courage which measures beforehand the risks and the chances of victory, is fully justifiable. To the same extent those economical, careful people who condemn lavishness are in the right. Fearlessness and lavishness do not suit mortal men, rather it becomes them to tremble and to count every penny, seeing what a state of poverty and impotence they exist in. That is why these two virtues are so rarely met with, and when they are met, why they arouse such superstitious reverence in the crowd. "This man fears nothing and spares nothing: he is probably not a man, but a demi-god, perhaps even a god." Socrates did not believe in gods, so he wanted to justify virtue by reason. Kant also did not believe in God, and therefore he derived his morals from "Law." But if there is God, and all men are the children of God, then we should be afraid of nothing and spare nothing. And then the man who madly dissipates his own life and fortunes, and the lives and fortunes of others, is more right than the calculating philosophers who vainly seek to regulate mankind on earth.

[Anonymous No.23146463]

>>23146458
So what am I supposed to do with that?

[Anonymous No.23146468]

>>23146463
Read it? What else do you fo with text?

[Anonymous No.23146474]

>>23146468
I mean that as a response to the text

[Anonymous No.23146492]

>>23145982
His essay on language

[Anonymous No.23146497]

>>23146323
I have two of his works

[Anonymous No.23146508]

>>23145954
All gnostics by definition. A few others. Laruelle certainly. Maybe Schelling.

[Anonymous No.23146514]

>>23146458
So the actual man is an autistic capital accumulator, while being a fearless, adventurous, courageous battleman is the wrong path? What a pathetic crump of text. Look at all the damage capitalism has done and I'm not even a socialist.

[Anonymous No.23146515]

>>23146474
What I took from it was to live life without being constrained by frameworks like cause and effect and ideologies, whether political or religious, not rejecting them per se but not being enveloped by them and become something other than an independant individual. To live life "in which the word disaster does not exist" is to go beyond the constraints of how life is commonly conceived (deterministic, reliant upon cause and effect and the systems by which society is run) and live for one's self and one's own growth. For me, this was applied by gaining a new sense of freedom to learn from others while not being coerced or gulited into following their beliefs, to be in their thoughts as a means of education but not to be a part of their thoughts as an adherent of their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.23146524]

>>23146515
How can I apply this

[Anonymous No.23146527]

>>23146463
Read Bataille's early work and realize he's talking about becoming a human star. A man who spends himself lavishly spends himself like a star.

[Anonymous No.23146531]

>>23145381
>Lev Isaakovich Shestov (Russian: Лeв Иcaaкoвич Шecтoв; 31 January [O.S. 13 February][2] 1866 – 19 November 1938; born Yeguda Leib Shvartsman)[a] was a Jewish
Stopped reading right there.

[Anonymous No.23146532]

>>23146514
What nigger? No the calculators are damned because they hoard the wealth of their being. Only stars refuse to calculate

[Anonymous No.23146537]

>>23146531
Self-hating Jews are some of the most brilliant souls to have ever existed. self hatred has always been adjacent with brilliance. I.e. christ.

[Anonymous No.23146536]

>>23146532
> To the same extent those economical, careful people who condemn lavishness are in the right
Become an autistic capital accumulator that turns every penny around all day counting his riches. Fuck off, Jew.

[Anonymous No.23146538]

>>23146508
>All gnostics
Most gnostics don't view the world as a dream of the Amaranth, do they
Could you explain Laruelle's philosophy to me?

[Anonymous No.23146542]

>>23146536
What nigger? Take your daily prescribed medication. Shestov is not and has never been a champion of maxximizer pigs. He is a priest of the god of contingency.

[Anonymous No.23146544]

>>23146524
When looking into the thoughts and beliefs of others, don't be constrained by their beliefs and come to your own beliefs. For example, when reading a political pamphlet or religious text, aim at understanding how the writer views life instead of looking for something that aims to answer all life's questions.

[Anonymous No.23146546]

>>23146544
I don't get it. I just wanna know what Lev here wants me to do. I like his words.

[Anonymous No.23146548]

>>23146538
Laruelle's all about extracting radical immanences from the world-dome. All beautiful thoughts are a compromise with evil. Laruelle's just a self-hating academic, so a kind of christ, he hates the conditions of his own being enough to love philosophy as a free speculative venture.

[Anonymous No.23146550]

>>23146542
That is what you have argued for even if just in a more metaphorical sense but with still the same meaning. The man of the world does simply not have the time to engage in economics, he has too much common sense to recognize how much of a pathetic activity that is. He readily dies for his country and his nation, little is his appreciation for earthly riches.

[Anonymous No.23146558]

>>23146537
why do they hate their own kind?

[Anonymous No.23146561]

>>23146548
>extracting radical immanences from the world-dome
Is this just the western version of the childlike mind? Regression to a pure state that has not been tampered with?
Gnosticism interests me but it's such a crushing worldview frankly

[Anonymous No.23146565]

>>23146550
Not even his nation nigger, the real man goes into death alone. Without nation, race or family. All collectivists stink of fem pheromones

[Anonymous No.23146568]

>>23145449

[Anonymous No.23146576]

>>23146565
The real man has a haughty sense of his own individuality because he sees himself highly ranked within the collective itself and he proofs this every day anew, to himself more than to others, in the painful and selfless acts of sacrifice he does to society itself, sometimes even ending in his own death. This, and nothing else, forms the essence of the great man, who, if not seen as such, only out of his own greatness; he is greater than the great man.

[Anonymous No.23146582]

>>23146514
>autistic capital accumulator
That's not the goal, retard. The example of lavishness is given as a preferable way to live as opposed to being constrained by beliefs that have no objective basis. The two extremes, fearlessness and lavishness, are given because they can be found within one's self as opposed to the constraints he notes of Socrates and Kant at the end of the passage, constraints that are unfounded, baseless, and depend not on faith but on a semblence of objective knowledge which they do not have.
>>23146546
I'd recommend reading All Things Are Possible, it's a very evocative work that aims at convincing the reader to live as though, quite literally, all things are possible.

[Anonymous No.23146584]

>>23146582
I've never read philosophy before

[Anonymous No.23146588]

>>23146458
>But if there is God, and all men are the children of God, then we should be afraid of nothing and spare nothing. And then the man who madly dissipates his own life and fortunes, and the lives and fortunes of others, is more right than the calculating philosophers who vainly seek to regulate mankind on earth

wow
i've literally been struggling with this exact issue

[Anonymous No.23146593]

>>23146558
Because there's enough to hate in ita nd that's enough to make them a christ, the god of this universe doesn't give a fuck about pre-established natures, he only loves beings that become the opposite of themselves

[Anonymous No.23146600]

>>23146458
>the man who madly dissipates his own life and fortunes, and the lives and fortunes of others
that doesnt seem kosher.

[Anonymous No.23146613]

>>23146561
No because it's about making peace with having been tampered with, and with how all souls have been tampered with. I think christ in Gethsemane witnessed all evil.

[Anonymous No.23146614]

>>23146584
When I first read it I didn't know much about philosophy myself, but reading it and honestly getting confused about the people he references got me to read more philosophy and learn more. It's a double edged sword to start with a modern author, but the willingness to go through with it depends from person to person.

[Anonymous No.23146623]

>>23146531
You are why this website has gone downhill since 2016

[Anonymous No.23146625]

>>23146582
> fearlessness and lavishness
> lavishness
Wtf is this? An excuse to lead an expensive, wasteful, self-indulging lifestyle?

[Anonymous No.23146628]

>>23146614
I see thank you.

[Anonymous No.23146632]

>>23146623
its appropriate to be at all times suspicious of jews.

you saying otherwise makes me suspect you are either a jew, or highly susceptible to jewish propaganda

[Anonymous No.23146641]

>>23146632
>he fell for ZOG
Pathetic, get help

[Anonymous No.23146646]

>>23146625
Can you not read?

[Anonymous No.23146653]

>>23146625
I had the same reaction, but apparently the original dictionary meaning of lavishness is generosity, not luxury. Retarded people probably changed the meaning over time.

[Anonymous No.23146664]

>>23146653
Probably came from aristocrats being lavish with money meaning generous as in gifting to their friends and family constantly which was also maybe judged as crude and frivolous by their peers and then a less sympathetic lower class who gained literacy used context clues and interpreted the word as luxurious and frivolous

[Anonymous No.23146671]

>>23146646
I have more of a reading comprehension than you. I don't only read text and context, I have trained the skill of meta-juxtaposing what was said into what I call the liquid quantum-informatic parable wich calculates the syntax into a theoretical paralingual model wich, in being quantic, knows more variables than 1 and 0, true or false, and wich proceeds with comparing one quantum model with an order of other known quantum models determining wether the integration of this quantum model with the others wich churns out a result that gives true for some models and false for other models and either true or false for the super-quantum model that ultimately determines with a certainty of 75% wether what was said is either true or false.
Your text gave true for the capitalistic model and false for the super-quantum integration model.

[Anonymous No.23146730]

>>23146653
> generosity
Generosity is the hypocrisy of giving to people a portion of what they accumulatively have given to you. You earn a lot of capital by talking into people how trustful you are and accumulate 10 000 dollars from it and proceed with giving someone 500 dollars and call yourself generous. The real man gives more to society than he actually has. That is real generosity, not the fake generosity of the nervous accumulationist.

[Anonymous No.23146739]

>>23146730
Thats a lot of mental gymnastics and assumptions to villainize a good thing to justify your pessimism.

[Anonymous No.23146761]

>>23146671
To elaborate further on this, the different quantum models that exist and that for reason to exist have to be logical within themselves, that is, to be composed of tiny quantum-units that can coexist with each other without contradicting each other and the approachability of two quantum models with each other works after the same principle. Because these are quantum models, they cannot, axiomatically, coexist together under all possible quantum possibilities without any contradictions at all but under a selected number of quantum possibilities only. The complexity of putting two quantum models together lies in determining the number of quantum possibilities under wich they can coexist without contradictions and the number of contradictions that they create under a determinable number of quantum possibilities in wich they cannot coexist allows for the calculation of a section of the super-quantum model that creates these same quantum possibilities themselves.
>>23146739
That's a good quantum model to juxtapose to a heavily quantum-calculated subject that however only creates a single parameter for contradiction and as such is only true in a 1/1000 relation.

[Anonymous No.23146776]

>>23146739
>>23146761
Elaborating further, even the allowance for your parameter does suffice to destabilize a fraction of the quantum model I presented, but it does not suffice to bring it's whole destruction. More likely, the destabilization only invades a tiny fraction of the model that stabilizes itself back without bringing the whole building to collapse.

[Anonymous No.23146833]

>>23146641
why hello rabbi

[Anonymous No.23146846]

>>23146508
I have two writings by him. “The Last Humanity” and “Intellectuals And Power”, which should I start with?

[Anonymous No.23146860]

>>23146354
If you like Russian depression mixed with Nietzschean life affirmation, then Shestov is a great read.

>>23146458
One of my favorite passages of his is this one:
>“Practical advice.—People who read much must always keep it in mind that life is one thing, literature another. Not that authors invariably lie. I declare that there are writers who rarely and most reluctantly lie. But one must know how to read, and that isn't easy. Out of a hundred bookreaders ninety-nine have no idea what they are reading about. It is a common belief, for example, that any writer who sings of suffering must be ready at all times to open his arms to the weary and heavy-laden. This is what his readers feel when they read his books. Then when they approach him with their woes, and find that he runs away without looking back at them, they are filled with indignation and talk of the discrepancy between word and deed. Whereas the fact is, the singer has more than enough woes of his own, and he sings them because he can't get rid of them. L’uccello canta nella gabbia, non di gioia ma di rabbia, says the Italian proverb: "The bird sings in the cage, not from joy but from rage." It is impossible to love sufferers, particularly hopeless sufferers, and whoever says otherwise is a deliberate liar. "Come unto Me all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." But you remember what the Jews said about Him: "He speaks as one having authority!" And if Jesus had been unable, or had not possessed the right, to answer this skeptical taunt, He would have had to renounce His words. We common mortals have neither divine powers nor divine rights, we can only love our neighbours whilst they still have hope, and any pretence of going beyond this is empty swagger. Ask him who sings of suffering for nothing but his songs. Rather think of alleviating his burden than of requiring alleviation from him. Surely not—for ever should we ask any poet to sob and look upon tears. I will end with another Italian saying: Non è un si triste cane che non meni la coda... "No dog so wretched that doesn't wag his tail sometimes.”

[Anonymous No.23147056]

>>23146671
>I don't only read text and context, I have trained the skill of meta-juxtaposing what was said into what I call the liquid quantum-informatic parable wich calculates the syntax into a theoretical paralingual model wich, in being quantic, knows more variables than 1 and 0, true or false, and wich proceeds with comparing one quantum model with an order of other known quantum models determining wether the integration of this quantum model with the others wich churns out a result that gives true for some models and false for other models and either true or false for the super-quantum model that ultimately determines with a certainty of 75% wether what was said is either true or false.
Sorry anon, this is gobbledygook that has no bearing on the text or context and is therefore fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.23147073]

>>23145414
Shit-eating degenerate faggot sodomite.

[Anonymous No.23147317]

>>23146103
Kek I thought the same

[Anonymous No.23147906]

Rousseau and Herder

[Anonymous No.23148732]

>>23147073
Yes. But not always.

[Anonymous No.23148941]

>>23146458
>And then the man who madly dissipates his own life and fortunes, and the lives and fortunes of others, is more right than the calculating philosophers who vainly seek to regulate mankind on earth.
Feels good to have my retarded ass being justified by this guy.

[Anonymous No.23149084]

>>23145954
are you the crazy anon who used to share long posts about deleuze using elder scrolls references?
I've missed you

[Anonymous No.23149085]

>>23146537
This. Simone Weil was one of them

[Anonymous No.23149097]

>>23149084
Nope not him but I think I know who you're talking about, he left 4chan it seems. I miss these threads

[Anonymous No.23149100]

>>23149085
Yes. Michelstaedter as well.

[Anonymous No.23149111]

>>23149100
And Marx.

[Anonymous No.23149123]

>>23145381
desu, brought me back to Religion

[Anonymous No.23149173]

>>23147073
filtered

[Anonymous No.23149480]

>>23146527
>>23146527
Does Visions Of Excess include extrapolation on this 'human star' concept

[Anonymous No.23149490]

>>23146671
>>23146761
Why do you misspell "which" as "wich"?

[Anonymous No.23149537]

>>23149123
Who's this?

[Anonymous No.23149588]

>>23149480
Try Limits of the Useful, it's all laid out there

[Anonymous No.23149602]

>>23146846
The Last Humanity

[Anonymous No.23149610]

The Enneads turned me from the path of academic moral worry to being a bum. Hopefully my soul one day forms a composite with autism and it can think it's way to God, but this ol boy isn't cut out for that life.

[Anonymous No.23149673]

>>23149610
was there a specific passage that affected you?

[Anonymous No.23149693]

>>23149588
Thanks man! Have a great day!

[Anonymous No.23149700]

>>23149673
The third ennead, specifically the stuff on providence
https://www.arthistoryproject.com/timeline/the-ancient-world/greece/the-six-enneads/the-third-ennead/

[Anonymous No.23149781]

>>23146833
Takes one to know one, rabbi

[Anonymous No.23150077]

>>23145389
whats his best book?

[Anonymous No.23150178]

>>23146584
Then start with modern thinkers since they write more clearly, like pic related or the books by Bernardo Kastrup. And study NDEs, as NDEs are unironically irrefutable proof that heaven really is awaiting us because (1) people see things during their NDEs when they are out of their bodies that they should not be able to under the assumption that the brain creates consciousness, and (2) anyone can have an NDE and everyone is convinced by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

So any atheist would be too, so pic related is literally irrefutable proof of life after death. As one NDEr pointed out:

>"I'm still trying to fit it in with this dream that I'm walking around in, in this world. The reality of the experience is undeniable. This world that we live in, this game that we play called life is almost a phantom in comparison to the reality of that."

If NDEs were hallucinations somehow then extreme atheists and neuroscientists who had NDEs would maintain that they were halluinations after having them. But the opposite happens as NDEs convince every skeptic when they have a really deep NDE themselves.

[Anonymous No.23150235]

>>23149602
Okay

[Anonymous No.23150467]

>>23146515
>read this post and it strikes me how Jewish this "dude don't believe anything just be an individual" gibberish sounds
>keep find out he actually was Jewish
My early life detector is powerful.

[Anonymous No.23150548]

>>23150467
It shouldn't be because Shestov wasn't some transgressive jew.

[Anonymous No.23150576]

>>23150467
What makes individualism Jewish, rabbi?

[Anonymous No.23150577]

>>23150077
Bezpotchviennost

[Anonymous No.23150774]

>>23146515
Pyrrhonism already did this, like, more than 2000 years ago.

[Anonymous No.23152593]

bump

[Anonymous No.23152738]

>>23150576
Libertarianism is the most individualistic political form there is, ans it's inherently Jewish. Jews obviously don't want unity in whites, they want to dissolve the notion of whites uniting in religion, nation and family.

[Anonymous No.23152769]

>>23152738
Shestov has nothing to do with the culture war.

[Anonymous No.23152777]

>>23146561
That’s kind of my philosophy, extreme rationalism is the death of the holy, so we must regress back to a more primitive mindset

[Anonymous No.23152785]

>>23145381
Matt Shaw

[Anonymous No.23153596]

>>23152738
Nice job falling for every spook in the spook-playbook, retard

[Anonymous No.23153607]

>>23152769
Not directly but indirectly. It's programmed in his dna to subvert white union. Doesn't matter what his intentions are, that's the effect of his individualistic writings: be a morally geographically ideological unchained globohomo citizen.

>>23153596
Yeah I believe in divinity as I've experienced it. I'm not a godless egotistical hylic like Sterner.

[Anonymous No.23153632]

>>23153607
>man bad because his genetics!!1!
Sounds like you inhereted some disorders yourself. Globlism is an ideology too you fucking mongoloid,

[Anonymous No.23153649]

>>23146537
No jew is more in love with jews than "self-hating" jews. Their "self-hate" is just a variation on their innate turbo-narcissism. They are completely incapable of sincerely hating themselves.

[Anonymous No.23153692]

>>23153607
>Doesn't matter what his intentions are, that's the effect of his individualistic writings: be a morally geographically ideological unchained globohomo citizen.
Dreadfully bad take, how do people like you sustain this level of ignorance day in and day out

[Anonymous No.23153702]

>>23153692
Your life is a bad take. Start over and do it again

[Anonymous No.23153712]

>>23153702
I want to know why someone who curses this world would want you to eat ze bugs

[Anonymous No.23153729]

>>23145381
I recently read some Machiavelli;
~'A person who is only good will inevitably fall victim to people who arent'

If you really believe that, and I think I do now, there are far reaching & very dark implications.

[Anonymous No.23153786]

>>23153702
>no u hahaha
The peak of discourse from retards, everybody

[Anonymous No.23153855]

>>23145381
This book changed my life... Suddenly a LOT of what I had experienced in college made sense. Things just fell into place.

[Anonymous No.23154119]

>>23153607
>Sterner
ESL

[Anonymous No.23154145]

>>23154119
Not spelling a name correctly has nothing to do with being an ESL, retard. Especially if it's not an anglo name.

>>23153632
Sure you said Shestov is not a part of the cultural war, but he is in favor of his tribe's preservation, and thus anti-white. Nothing is free from ideology, anti-ideology is an ideology in itself.

>>23153692
Good argument, very elucidating.

>>23153712
Resentment.

[Anonymous No.23154196]

>>23154145
>tribe
Where is that spoken of whatsoever in this entire thread? Make an argument without just saying "it's because Shestov is Jewish" because that's a non-argument. Actually engage with the text without making a mention of his race.
>Resentment
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.23154401]

>>23154196
I already did. I said I knew he was a Jew before even looking it up based in reading his ideas as presented in this thread, wish I base on that his idea undermine collectivist ideas and "ideology" to instead create self worship ideology of individualism. And the likely reason a jew does this is to subvert white European identity to benefit him.ans by extension tribe. It's a evolutionary.survival tactic, read >>23153855

[Anonymous No.23154421]

>>23146463
Nothing. Its more "just affirm it" nonsense that fails against practical challenges. Solutions for those without problems.

[Anonymous No.23154469]

>>23154401
>I already did
No you didn't, you extrapolated and created a false interpretation based on a piece of information (Shestov's ancestry) that has no bearing on the text. You're claiming that just because of someone's genetics that they act a certain way and their ideology is affected by it, which is completely unfounded. You're coming to a text with a presumption which causes you to make false conclusions. This is the same as people who assume someone's behaviour based on astrological signs. Your claim that Lev wrote to "subvert white European identity" is a reflection of yourself and not the text, a claim as unfounded as the baseless extrapolations of this anon
>>23146514
>>23146671

[Anonymous No.23154478]

>>23145381
Julian Jaynes. I'm not sure if I believe his theories now, but reading them back in the day sparked a journey into thinking about consciousness and Mind quite differently.

[Anonymous No.23155443]

hello from the whole family