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What kind of person do you imagine?

>> No.23109748

>>23109743
Why did you post a photo of an elderly woman in a Corncob thread

>> No.23109758

Depends on early, middle, late, and/or the combination thereof.

>> No.23109782

first off, anyone who just volunteers their "favorite writer" regardless of who it is almost certainly is a special kind of dipshit. Second, Cormac's shit rules occasionally, like the part in No Country where the sheriff feels scared by the sky and the clouds but he shakes it off and gets back in his car.

>> No.23109827

He was my favorite living author til he died. Still he doesn’t touch Shakespeare.

>> No.23109881

>>23109743
Middle aged intelligent yet bored with life woman, probably stay at home house wife of a wealthy man, she never had to land a profession for her own and deeply inside she regrets she did not.

>> No.23110035

>>23109743
some edgy guy who has never been to the west or a ranch

>> No.23110131

>>23109743
Literally me

>>23110035
Also literally me

>> No.23110154

>>23109782
The sheriff investigating that hotel room was good, too. Everything with the sherrif is good. I always want Lewellyn to just give up the money and go back to the farm

>> No.23110163

>>23110154
>I always want Lewellyn to just give up the money and go back to the farm
>He can weld anything
>He can't shoot a deer
>He fucked up sniping in vietnam, boar tooth
>He can't leave a man to die slowly without water

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>>23109743

>> No.23110402

cormac is a great author you mouthbreathing zoomer shitheel
your entire degeneration of mediocrity deserves to be curbstomped

>> No.23110406

>>23109743
I was into Blood Meridian until the Kid joined with Glanton.

>> No.23110409

>>23109743
An anon who knows nothing about literature and spends a ridiculous amount of time on /lit/ insulting people over his own insecurity.

>> No.23110411

>>23110409
Tell me on the doll where they hurt you.

>> No.23110416

>>23110402
Tell me everything wrong with Cormac's writing when he was drowning in mountain water.

In particular criticise Suttree.

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>Voltaire is my favourite writer, once you skip Candide he gets much better
How do you respond?

>> No.23110433

>>23110411
Tell you on the doll?
>you know what I meant!
Sure but that does not justify your lack of language skills.
>>23110416
Suttree is filled with pointless digressions that serve no purpose towards the point. Still a great novel, Cormac just could not afford to have an editor to do more than the basic check for consistency of style/grammar/spelling check. Also, the characters all have pretty much the same voice grammatically speaking, which weirdly kind of works but certainly has room for improvement. Does any character not use 'crazy as a shithouse rat' in some form? Yes, quite a few but it is overused and goes beyond common background.
>but it was Faulkner's editor!
Sure and he was a great editor but he also wanted to eat so was not going to put in the time for someone who could not pay for that time.

Suttree would have been the Catcher in the Rye/On the Road/etc of his time had he had the right editor and the money to pay for that editor.

>> No.23110562

fat middle american mid twenties mountain dew 4channer
cringe incarnate

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>>23109743

>> No.23110592

>>23110433
>that serve no purpose towards the point.
"towards the point"? Ironic comment on someone's skill with language when yours is questionable itself.

Anyway, what's the point? There is no point the book is building towards. I read this essay which is very interesting and seems to posit that suttree is trying to resist narrativization of his life. The point is that there is no point.
https://journals.openedition.org/ejas/12372

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23110596

>"My favorite writer is Cormac McCarthy"

>> No.23110638

>>23110433
>Suttree is filled with pointless digressions that serve no purpose towards the point.
Sure, but that doesn't justify your lack of "language skills"

>> No.23110641

>>23110638
You are genuine half-wit

>> No.23110650

>>23110641
Missed an 'a' there, little guy.

>> No.23110657

>>23109743
McCarthy fans have been pretentious faggots from my experience.

>> No.23110662

>It’s another thread where Rajeesh is crying and seething
The retard doesn’t even know how to use commas and can only repeat insults from other anons HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA KWAB

>> No.23110665

>>23110650
Good job finally using a comma in its correct place :)

>> No.23110686

>>23110662
>>23110665
So it was you, paco. Why are you pretending to have read Suttree, beaner?
>paco can't even use articles properly
Lol. Stop deflecting, you spic. Learn to write. "Towards the point" is not an expression, dumbass paco.

>> No.23110689

>>23109743
I don't and if I did I would think much worse of someone presenting his thesis on why Thomas Mann is his favorite author.

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KWAB

>> No.23110695

>another thread where the beaner exposes himself for an illiterate fraud who can't into English to save his life
Kek. Always funny to watch paco seethe impotently at his own struggles with basic grammar. Struggles of a bean brain lol.

>> No.23110697

>Arguing about grammar in a McCarthy thread
Pottery

>> No.23110700

>>23110691
>paco still doesn't get it
Don't they have google in bean land or what? You are embarrassing yourself, paco. Atleast try to verify whether what you're seething against is even incorrect.

>> No.23110702

kill yourself you retarded paco this paco that spammer

>> No.23110708

>>23110697
Paco is perpetually mad that I point out his innumerable grammatical mistakes in every post. He is coping so hard that he has probably invented a few rules of his own lol.

>> No.23110710

>>23110702
Calm down, paco. He started it. Read the thread.

>> No.23110714

>>23110710
I don't care who started what, if you are this bored go back to /b/, you spam this bullshit in every thread

>> No.23110718

>>23110638
>>23110592
>screeching about “lack of ‘“language skills’” while spamming the same post is hilariously pathetic kek

>> No.23110720

>>23110714
Why don't you tell that to him as well? It always begins with paco becoming insecure about his poor "language skills". This thread was pretty normal until he went off the rails again with his racism against Indians and his butthurt about me.

>> No.23110723

>>23110718
>paco can't even use greentext now
KWAB, or something like that. I don't waste my time watching faggy "wrestling".

That's a different anon, paco.

>> No.23110727

>>23110592
So you’re just regurgitating an opinion of some writer and you don’t have an original opinion regarding McCarthy? Gotcha.

>> No.23110758

>>23110727
You're projecting a little too hard. This is not my opinion on McCarthy. This is just an interesting essay I read on a book he wrote. I am not your enemy. Nobody's judging your intelligence so drop your guard. I wasn't born with all the knowledge in the world, maybe unlike you, so I have no qualms about reading secondary lit on the books I love.

I'll ask again, what's the point you're referring to? Suttree is his most plotless work, even more so than Blood meridian and The Passenger. There isn't even a narrative thrust in the background. So what exactly is the point that gets buried due to poor editing?

>> No.23110778

>>23110433
Please explain “the point” of Suttree you pretentious faggot.

>> No.23110950

>>23109743
reddit

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>> No.23111059

>>23109743
A pretentious american who lives in the city and uses Reddit

>> No.23111107

>>23109743
Assuming he's not faking it until he makes it, I the kind of person I imagine is that of a scholar of literature

Also a person isn't queasy about the description of the grotesque, because that is in some of his best works (unfortunately for me because I don't want to read that)

>> No.23111155

>>23111107
> the kind of person I imagine is that of a scholar of literature

>> No.23111160

>>23111107
lol

>> No.23111161

>>23109743
A cool dude

>> No.23111280

>What kind of person do you imagine?
a late teenage to late twenties midwit who has no actual taste in real literature and reads whatever /lit/ tells them is based, desperately wants to be seen as deep and intellectual but doesn't actually want to read anything challenging so keeps reading genre fiction that apes literature

>> No.23111286

>>23110592
If the point is that there is no point, that is a point and we can analyze Suttree from such a nihilistic angle and even make a decent case for that but I would say that requires ignoring the glimpses we get into Suttree's past and the ending where he finally makes a conscious choice in his life. Probably will not read that essay anytime soon, maybe after grocery shopping if there is discussion to warrant it.

But even if you want to say it having no point is not a point I can make my previous point regarding the novel's faults from a purely structural standpoint or even stylistic if you would prefer.

'Towards the point' is correct, at most you have me on using a somewhat old fashioned form but not all of the English speaking world has dropped the 's' for casual usage.
>>23110638
See the last paragraph of the above response.
>>23110778
You have to offer something if you want to get anything.

>> No.23111312

>>23111280
Stop being mad. Proust is still not literature.

>> No.23111315

>>23111312
Read real literature
Stop reading genre fiction
Stop reading a books with trannies in them

>> No.23111322

>>23111312
Retard.

>> No.23111330

>I read this essay which is very interesting and seems to posit that suttree is trying to resist narrativization of his life
Kek holy esl pseud

>> No.23111331

>>23111286
What are you even talking about? The glimpse into Suttree's past doesn't give his present life any motivation or a goal to move towards. And the ending is vague. It is possible that Suttree just died at the end. It is a Death haunted book, but Death is inevitable and can't be the thrust that moves the meagre plot.

Secondly, "serves no purpose 'toward' the point" is as non-sensical as what you posted above. There is no archaic usage that permits toward/towards to be used with 'purpose' and 'point' that way. Why are you so stubborn? Your linguistic ability won't improve if you refuse to admit mistakes.

>> No.23111338

>>23111315
>>23111322
Stop being mad. Read something other than chick lit for bourgeois as written by faggots. Read real literature.

>> No.23111345

>>23111338
ESL.

>> No.23111346

>>23111330
Stop seething paco.
Your retarded ass justifications don't cover for the fact that you don't know shit about English.>>23111286
>paco is literally trying to deceive people into believing his fantasy bullshit
Lol. You're acting as if google doesn't exist, or everyone is an ESL like you. No one is dumb enough to fall for your ESL justifications. You don't even understand how basic prepositions work kek.

>> No.23111349

>>23111346
>using 'ass' constructions
What a nigger.

>> No.23111351

>>23111345
Yes, I know you are. I figure that out everytime ESLs go beyond two lines trying to criticize Cormac.

>> No.23111356

>>23111346
You are missing a comma.

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*filters American rednecks*

>> No.23111366

>>23111349
>>23111356
Your insistence on needless commas is partially why you'll never be convincing as an EFL poster that you so desperately want to be. The poor grammatical constructs don't help either desu.

>> No.23111372

>>23111360
>worshipped by dicksucking ESL faggots

>> No.23111375

>>23111366
>Ooga booga u be so wild ass n shieet
Calm down, faggot.

>> No.23111377

>>23111366
>poor grammatical constructs

>> No.23111378

>>23111375
I accept your concession.

>> No.23111382

>>23109743
when i look in the mirror i see a handsome cool guy
only been (seriously) reading for about a year thoughever

>> No.23111386

>>23111377
Evidence is in the thread.

>> No.23111392

>>23111377
Ironic that he said that while using 'ass' constructions like a negro.

>> No.23111393

>>23111331
How is the end ambiguous? He literally makes his first real decision and stops drifting through life like flotsam. Through the glimpses into his past we get a good idea why he took that path in life and through the novel we get a good idea why he finally makes a choice.

You really need to get a better dictionary.

>> No.23111411

>>23111392
This is another instance of insecure ESLs not getting it, while also trying to push random, non-existent and turgid expressions down our throats.

>> No.23111421

>>23111411
>turgid
There’s that Macbook thesaurus talk again, Rajeesh

>> No.23111423

>>23111411
It's not about "getting" it. We get that Americans love to sound like niggers for whatever reason. It's about aesthetics. Might as well just use ebonics.

>> No.23111444

>>23111393
He makes the decision to leave the city but it isn't clear if he actually made it out in the end. Pray tell how his past influenced his decision to leave?
>You really need to get a better dictionary.
Show me yours. Show me where "purpose toward/towards the point" is listed as a real phrase. This is the most meaningless squabble ever. I have never seen anyone be so stubborn about an obvious mistake. We already know this isn't your first language, my dude.

>> No.23111454

>>23111421
>paco thinks turgid is from a thesaurus
That's why you'll never get good at English, Paco. Keep seething at your incompetence, mr. Bean.

>> No.23111471

reading this thread, we really are worse than reddit

>> No.23111480

>>23111444
>car arrives without him even sticking out a thumb
>gets in car
>shuts door
>starts driving
>behind him lays the city
He clearly got out but even if he didn't he made the choice and the opportunity just happened once he made that choice. It is pretty clear.

I use the OED. Good chance McCarthy uses this very usage in Suttree, 'toward' is one of the words he over uses in the novel.

>> No.23111507

>>23111480
So the point of the book was to leave the city? I think I have made my point. There is no clear point that was apparently hampered by the editing.
>I use the OED. Good chance McCarthy uses this very usage in Suttree, 'toward' is one of the words he over uses in the novel.
McCarthy uses it right, unlike you. OED is on the web. Link me to the phrase that vindicates your usage here. Alternatively, if you wanna post the usage from Suttree, that's fine by me.

>> No.23111541

>>23111507
>So the point of the book was to leave the city?
That is not at all what I said. You are just playing games now.
>McCarthy uses it right, unlike you.
You checked all probably 300 uses?

Just because the OED is on the web does not mean I have a subscription, physical copies do still exist.

>> No.23111576

>>23110758
>Suttree is his most plotless work, even more so than Blood meridian and The Passenger. There isn't even a narrative thrust in the background. So what exactly is the point that gets buried due to poor editing?
Suttrree is too full of plot. From the Freeway, to the journey through hell, the dead son.

Suttrreee is problematic because the intervention of the divine water is uncontrolled, not in the character Sutttrreee himself, but rather in the structuring of the incidents. The novel is a sketch book held together by themes, and while it needs to be drooling like your freshly fucked mother on oxy, for this is what that side of the mountains is, the lack of editing the collection of short stories into a novel is the failure. Some of the best short stories like "living on the earnings of a prostitute" ought to have been cut. SSutttrreee is a collection of excellent short stories, sold as a novel, without the detailed editing work needed to make SSuutttrreee as a character project properly the journeyless journey of waiting for the freeway to bulldoze the madness of too much God in the water.

All american authors seem to have a collation of short stories. Most of them are lucky enough to not need to eat that desperately and transform them instead into an underedited novel that betrays the ontological work itself.

SSuuttttrreee is 4/10 or worse. If it were 8 of the more coherent "short stories" they'd be a 7/10, so better than most shakespeare. But the problem is that the constant flow of the river wouldn't be present in a series of "samples."

>> No.23111578

>>23111541
You are the one playing games. You talk about this "point" that got buried due to poor editing (or lack threof), now 6 hours and a dozen posts later we still don't know what your "point" is.

You are even playing games about the dictionary now. OED isn't some obscure resource. A google search would atleast bring up the page, albeit paywall you right after you click it. Besides, OED doesn't contain some database of obscure phrases and words that nobody else in the world knows about. An easy google search is enough to verify which phrase exists and which doesn't.
>you looked up all the 300 uses?
Duh. I have read the book. There isn't a single instance where it is used wrongly like you did. Post a picture of the phrase from the physical book. My version doesn't have it.

>> No.23111584

>>23111576
Please translate.

>> No.23111598

>>23111584
Suttree was a rather nice novel that drowned because Cormac didn't edit it properly because he published it to pay rent. There was too much flow of words and time, because Cormac was drowning in the water of God. There's a reason he moved to the desert, and even there Cormac could not become free of God.

>> No.23111607

>>23111598
What is "water of God"? Please go on. You are more interesting than the other faggot.

>> No.23111646

>>23111578
I never said theme was buried by the novel's faults and I don't think it is.
>OED doesn't contain some database of obscure phrases and words that nobody else in the world knows about.
lol, you clearly have never looked at the OED or even know what it is. Entres for 'toward' and 'towards' are probably over a page long combined if not multiple pages (didn't look) and will contain obscure usages that almost no one knows and probably documenting the word's usage and evolution over 1000 years, its an old word. Not that this is an obscure usage, standard figurative usage which is signified by its being followed by an abstract noun.

>> No.23111657

>>23111646
Keep beating around the bush. If you ever come across an OED, please go through it because you desperately need to.

I have another, more interesting anon to discuss the book with.

>> No.23111660

>>23111657
Rajeesh, why are you so buttblasted?

>> No.23111677

>>23111660
I have no interest in your petty fights.... "paco". But you are clinically retarded, given how much trouble you have accepting the fact that your linguistic ability is worse than 4th graders in some post-colonial nation. You are the one who is buttblasted.

By the way, it's 'entries' not entres, "paco".

>> No.23111686

>>23111578
>atleast

>> No.23111687

>>23111657
lol. Do you think the OED is 21 volumes just because it uses a really big font? Spring for a copy of the compact, can be had for around $100 used just make sure it comes with the magnifying glass.
>>23111677
That clearly was not me.

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>>23111660
>"wh-why are y-you s-so bu-buttbl-lasted"
Stop harrassing others, you goddamn beaner. You are having a meltdown because it is clearly visible to everyone that your linguistic capability is below hoodrats lol. Don't sully an OED with your spic hands. It won't help you.

>> No.23111713

>>23111607
Water is an incredibly important image in Cormac. It represents the entry of flow into the world. In the mountains sequence people go mad from too much water. Suttree lives on madness.

Cormac then escapes to the desert.

Which is too fucking full of water. Everywhere. I'm Australian and his deserts are fucking full of water that you can drink. In Australia if you find water you can't drink it. Water constantly suffuses the desert. Rivers must be crossed. Water must be drank. In his dryest book, No Country, Llewellyn goes back with the one thing you cannot deny a dying man (as a veteran): water. Even though Llewellyn goes all day hunting without water.

Water is the inescapable intervention of God in a spinozan ontological sense into man for Cormac's worlds. Read for water.

>> No.23111717

>doubly seething at the same post
Definitely a DYEL tranny kek

>> No.23111719

>>23111687
>compact
Shorter

OED S 2er3 1993 here

>> No.23111724

>>23111717
Not everyone is a samefag like you, paco.
>the biggest DYEL tranny on the board is accusing others
Lol. Something something... copying insults like a retard... something.

>> No.23111727

>>23111719
Really going hard on proving your ignorance. Compact is the full 21 volumes reproduced micrographically in two large volumes, hence the magnifying glass.

>> No.23111729

>>23111724
>does not even know what samefagging is
Kek how new are you, Rajeesh?

>> No.23111735

>>23111727
That's just a different presentation mode. I could have stolen my fathers, but Shorter is useful for day to day and the philosophy department was throwing out their PhD student's shorter 16 years ago. Two volumes in 10 point. It is more useful to steal an OED3 subscription than look for the magnifying glass of OED2. Thus 2 volumes of OED2 shorter.

>> No.23111742

>>23111729
Don't deflect, beaner. No mentally sane person would get so butthurt on behalf of someone else. You are samefagging hard.

>> No.23111770

>>23111686
>grasping at the straws
>>23111687
He is seething an awful lot over a mistake someone else made. That rarely happens. Although, "paco" does seem mentally ill and has a very poor grasp of the language himself. It is possible that he is just projecting his insecurities.
>>23111713
Interesting, anon. The essay says something similar. The flow of the river is uncoordinated and disorienting, same as the book's narrative. I think the book is trying to resist death by suspending everything into a vast middle where there is little motivated action. Death eventually catches up in the end. I'd say the plethora of anecdotes and the more amorphous structure ironically helps in achieving that aesthetic effect.

>> No.23111771

>>23111742
>n-n-n-now you are samefagging
KWAB

>> No.23111775

>>23111770
>The essay says something similar
Are you capable of having an idea of your own, or are you going to keep referencing the essay? And you even capable of an original thought?

>> No.23111780

>>23111771
>copied the stutterspeak
Retarded paco has no originality in insults lol.

>> No.23111782

>>23111775
I don't need to listen to you, "paco". Fight with the other guy. I can't bear your badly written posts.

>> No.23111783

>>23111770
>The flow of the river is uncoordinated and disorienting
>the book is trying to resist death by suspending everything into a vast middle where there is little motivated action
Kek dimwits acting as pseuds

>> No.23111786

>>23111783
Words too big for you? I think we have established you know horseshit about the book already, retard.

>> No.23111830

Why are ESLs so insecure? It isn't a mystery that you make mistakes. What motivates people to go to irrational lengths in denying their errors? You look mentally ill while doing that, which is worse than being an ESL.

>> No.23111831

>>23111735
Slipcase has a drawer for the magnifying glass, no need to go looking for it. Would think you would know this if your father had a copy. Just one of those things you need to watch out for when buying used since you can't really get by with any old cheap magnifying glass when magnifying text to this degree.

Majority of the difference between OED2 and 3 is that OED3 has usage examples for the past few decades but a dedicated usage dictionary does contemporary usage much better than the OED which is first and foremost a historical dictionary so does not do a very good job at the nuances of contemporary usage.

But you already established that you know nothing about the OED and just thought it was a normal dictionary.
>>23111783
>The flow of the river is uncoordinated and disorienting
It is referring to how McCarthy defines the flow of the narrative by the flow of the river, you drift through the novel as if drifting down stream. The issue is McCarthy attempts to keep this flow even when it is at odds with what is happening in the story, sometimes fails to pull it off, and just drops it completely other times. When he pulls it off it is great and it works wonderfully for the passage of time but it is not a one size fits all sort of thing. So the narrative is uncoordinated which disorients the reader.

He worked this out with BM, he defines a use for these sorts of passages and sticks to that use.

>> No.23111901

>>23111831
>Would think you would know this if your father had a copy. Just one of those things you need to watch out for when buying used since you can't really get by with any old cheap magnifying glass when magnifying text to this degree.
Yeah, and you know the only time we got it out? When SOED2 was insufficient. And you know what we did as soon as 3 dropped? As you'd know 3 is slowly overworking.

>As we
You're not that insecure son. Stop flirting.

>He worked this out with BM
BM is a novel though. Suttree is a notebook. "Living off immoral earnings" is as important for the novel Suttree which could have been as "Ill in hospital" or "Visit to the Psych Ward." But "Voodoo raped" or "river incest murder" are as irrelevant as half of the underworld.

BM is spare. Because the gross excess water has vanished. Cormac needed to get sparer and sparer to clarify the actual experience in its overwhelming depth. Border Trilogy makes an excellent comparator to Suttree because they're both very long, but BT is utterly spare. Suttree drools continuously: the excess of BT is continuously relevant to the argument as if it is always doomed to a gay mexican underpass experience or death by pimp-author insert.

>> No.23112021

>>23111901
Just give up on the dictionary shit, you already proved you have never touched the OED.
>You're not that insecure son. Stop flirting.
What are you talking about?

I was not making a comparison between BM and Suttree, just the technique. In BM it is part of structure and serves a single and distinct purpose, in Suttree he just uses it when ever he can and how ever he can.

>> No.23112034

>>23112021
I appreciate your concession via self-contradiction.

>> No.23113109

>>23109743
I see that this thread is populated with mid-wits who couldn’t finish Blood Meridian, let alone The Crossing or Suttree. Go read GOT or Harry Potter, faggots.

>> No.23113116

>>23111831
>The issue is McCarthy attempts to keep this flow even when it is at odds with what is happening in the story, sometimes fails to pull it off, and just drops it completely other times.
True.

>> No.23113131

>>23110425
His writings smack of arrogance

>> No.23113147

>>23109743
I read Blood Meridian and came up with my own analysis and then watched wendigoons video and was satisfied.

(before I discovered /lit/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/literature/s/9YdXw3KZPW

Then I re-read the book and did some more digging and realised how face-value my interpretation was. I never even equated gnosticism with it. That book is DEEP. Now I am more confused than ever about what McCarthy was trying to convey. Still on of my favourite books though.

>> No.23113164

>>23113147
Why is the old woman who bathes the idiot evil?

>> No.23113515
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23113515

>>23109743
There's only one man.

>> No.23113839

35 years old or younger.

>> No.23114168

Day of great feasting and fasting are right around the corner

June 13 - first year after his death
July 20, 1933 - Cormac's birthday