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[Anonymous No.23096794]

RIP

[Anonymous No.23096819]

>>23096794
Looks like it might be true.

https://www.searchlightmagazine.com/2024/02/breaking-the-far-right-unity-news-network-is-reporting-that-the-uks-principal-holocaust-denier-david-irving-has-died-good-riddance/

Big F

[Anonymous No.23096824]

Rest in peace

[Anonymous No.23096852]

>>23096794
Rest in piss

[Anonymous No.23096870]

>>23096794
>posting it on /lit/
I see what you did there.

[Anonymous No.23096871]

His silence speaks volumes.

[Anonymous No.23096874]

>>23096794
he was a neo-nazi, a propagandist and an all-around nasty character.

[Anonymous No.23096880]

>>23096874
At least he lived long enough to have his name cleared and his honour restored.

[Anonymous No.23096893]

>>23096870
Of course, he wrote many books

[Anonymous No.23096921]

F

[Anonymous No.23096925]

Did he ever get around to finishing himmler part 2?

[Anonymous No.23096934]

>>23096794
Oh man, this hurts. Pouring one out for a king.

[Anonymous No.23096937]

>>23096794
This is only the physical death of David Irving. Irving first died when Richard Evans utterly eviscerated him and showed him to be a complete sham of a "historian".

[Anonymous No.23096940]

>>23096871

And I'll tell you, Stephen, not a day goes by when I don't think about that fucking old man and how much I hate his fucking guts

[Anonymous No.23096953]

>>23096937
The guy from RLM?

[Anonymous No.23096960]

#DicksOutForDaveIrving

[Anonymous No.23096967]

>>23096794
So what did he claim about the Holocaust?

[Anonymous No.23096971]

>>23096937
>Richard Evans utterly eviscerated him and showed him to be a complete sham of a "historian".
Never happened.

[Anonymous No.23096973]

RIP David. May his spirit find a peaceful place away from lying rat-people and their spineless puppets.

[Anonymous No.23096983]

>>23096953

[Anonymous No.23096984]

>>23096983
>I won... but at what cost?

[Anonymous No.23097050]

Well it‘s on his Wikipedia now, for what that‘s worth. I felt it was true from the start because I got an email from a site I assume to be associated with him a few weeks ago requesting donations to help with medical bills. I felt I couldn‘t verify it personally and regret that now. Even if it couldn‘t have helped with his age, I gotta find a way to make up for that.

It all stings bros. He was one of a rare kind of brave soul from before the social rot was really final, and I don‘t know there are more like him. The world is noticeably darker now.

[Anonymous No.23097068]

>>23096794

Ironically enough, even if you believe that the Holocaust did happen, the characteristically mongoloid (Muscovite and Han) prohibition on inquiry would make denial the only so-called Kantian position (congruent with Universal Reason), since it is clear that 1945 is a bottomless pit of pathology. Regardless, questioning the Iraq invasion and the 9/11 events will soon be forbidden.

[Anonymous No.23097074]

>>23097050
so cool. post your neo-nazi tattoos?

[Anonymous No.23097093]

Irving was no doubt one of the most interesting public figures still living. He was a real character. How many people still talk like him?:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LG2sOiWxi5II/
He talks about his life a lot here. The Holocaust stuff starts an hour in (or more).

Lots of interviews/talks of his up on Bitchute:
https://www.bitchute.com/playlist/XP16zNYl0WvJ/
https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=david%20irving

[Anonymous No.23097098]

>>23097068
True, "Holocaust" scepticism is a moral act even if you think it happened, simply because it stands up for truth as against censorship.

[Anonymous No.23097126]

>>23097074
>Ban faggots not guns

[Anonymous No.23097199]

>>23096794
>>23096819
I will not believe the death toll of one until I see it in a reliable source. These sources have reasons to inflate the numbers so I have to be a bit skeptical.

[Anonymous No.23097241]

>>23096819
It is not wikipedia official yet.
>>23096967
That no document has ever been found proving Hitler's knowledge or direction of it, which is true.
>>23097050
Doesn't show on wikipedia.

[Anonymous No.23097292]

>>23097241
>Doesn't show on wikipedia.
Lol

[Anonymous No.23097318]

>>23097241
Huh, it was for a while

[Anonymous No.23097340]

>>23097292
Honestly, the last 10-ish years, they've never jumped the gun on a person's death that I've seen.
>>23097318
What country? I'm in Canada and it still isn't there.

[Anonymous No.23097341]

>>23097318
>British author and Holocaust denier
lmao

[Anonymous No.23097365]

>>23097341
I wonder what the threshold is to get that on your wikipedia

[Anonymous No.23097382]

>>23097365
>master Chaim, I would never deny the six gogolplexes killed with homicidal sex toys

[Anonymous No.23097391]

>>23097341
Jews made that an occupation

[Anonymous No.23097396]

>>23097340
US but with German language settings (which I think might somehow affect that date convention?)

[Anonymous No.23097399]

rest in shit nazi

[Anonymous No.23097404]

>>23097399
The 'caust never happened, Shlomo. Seethe below

[Anonymous No.23097405]

>>23097396
No, wikipedia has always used the proper date format of day/month/year, even here.

[Anonymous No.23097413]

He lost. Love won

[Anonymous No.23097418]

>>23097413
There are more 'caust deniers than ever.

[Anonymous No.23097422]

>>23097418
>source my unwashed ass
people crying their whole lives online about da jooos doesn't really matter, they have no power in the real world

[Anonymous No.23097429]

>>23097422
You ever hear of the concept of "the silent majority"? It's the same phenomenon that brought the Nazis to power in the first place.

[Anonymous No.23097438]

>>23097422
It's over, Shlomo. Zoomers will dethrone you.

[Anonymous No.23097474]

>>23096871
His silence is as if he was David Irving's best friend.

[Anonymous No.23097487]

>>23096871
kek

[Anonymous No.23097663]

I'm reading Raul Hilberg's Destruction of the European Jews right now as a result of this thread and as usual I don't know what to think about the Holocaust. The key sources all seem so flimsy. Rudolf Höss' confession and psychological profile after interrogation seems to make it likely he was tortured and would say literally anything, he was basically saying "I'll say what you want as long as you promise to hang me and stop torturing me."

[Anonymous No.23097667]

>>23097663
And I'm sure they threatened his daughter too.

[Anonymous No.23097690]

>>23096794
He was a horrendous fraud and a weirdo, but RIP all the same.

[Anonymous No.23097717]

>>23097663
Regardless of what the evidence suggests, you’ll find a justification to believe what you find most satisfying.

[Anonymous No.23097719]

>>23097690
Give some examples. Because the bulk of his work is exceptionally good.

[Anonymous No.23097724]

>>23097719
No, I’m not going to convince you of anything. Having a discussion with you would be a waste of time and energy.

[Anonymous No.23097738]

>>23097667
This Rudolf Höss shit is a rabbit hole

>The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually the Medical Officer urged the Captain: ‘Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse. A blanket was thrown over Hoess and he was dragged to Clarke’s car, where the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his throat. Then Hoess tried to sleep. Clarke thrust his service stick under the man’s eyelids and ordered in German: ‘Keep your pig eyes open, you swine. The first time Hoess trotted out his oft-repeated justification: “I took my orders from Himmler. I am a soldier in the same way as you are a soldier and we had to obey orders.” The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Hoess and he was made to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell. It took three days to get a coherent statement out of him. But once he started talking, there was no holding him.

>Compared to where I had been before, imprisonment with the IMT [International Military Tribunal] was like staying in a health spa. […] Even though the prison conditions were good in every aspect and I now had time to read from an extensive library made available to us, the interrogators were really not pleasant. Physically there was no problem, but more so were the mental and emotional effects. I cannot really blame the interrogators — they were all Jews. I was for all intents and purposes psychologically dissected. That's how accurately they wanted to know everything — this was also done by Jews.

>According to the article, the first commandant of Auschwitz Rudolf Höss told Moritz von Schirmeister, who belonged to Goebbels stuff, the following:
>"Certainly, I signed [a statement] that I killed two and a half million Jews. But I could just as well have signed that it was five million Jews. After all, there are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not."
>The source is: Robert Faurisson, Wie die Briten zu dem Geständnis von Rudolf Höß, Kommandant von Auschwitz, gekommen sind, Deutschland in Geschichte und Gegenwart 35(1) (1987), S. 12-17
(but then Faurisson never actually produces the source)
>He says that Moritz von Schirmeister heard Hoess say that he was tortured into confessing -- and that he has a document to prove it.

A good forum post on it:
>Another thing I am curious about, is that Höss reportedly did not speak nor knew English; his signed confession however is in English. Which does NOT mean I think the man was not guilty; only what did he understand of what he signed and what methods were used to make him sign. I still have trouble with the "numbers". Although "only one million" would be just as atrocious as 2,5 or 5 million.

[Anonymous No.23097747]

>>23097724
Okay. What are you going to do in the meantime? Stew in your own beliefs and resentments?

[Anonymous No.23097750]

>>23097738
OK, the famous testimony of Höss that Himmler said "Hitler said do the Final Solution," the only proof that Hitler knew, was just a random statement at Nuremberg.

>DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it true that in 1941 you were ordered to Berlin to see Himmler? Please state briefly what was discussed.
>HOESS: Yes. In the summer of 1941 I was summoned to Berlin to Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler to receive personal orders. He told me something to the effect-I do not remember the exact words-that the Fuehrer had given the order for a final solution of the Jewish question. We, the SS, must carry out that order. If it is not carried out now then the Jews will later on destroy the German people. He had chosen Auschwitz on account of its easy access by rail and also because the extensive site offered space for measures ensuring isolation.

It really is starting to seem possible that they just made this guy their mouthpiece and put whatever narrative they needed into his mouth. I'm not saying Auschwitz wasn't a slave labor and death camp, but maybe no gas chambers?

His daughter also says "there was no smell at the camp, no smoke." That's not the first first-person account of the camps that says no smoke. Shouldn't there have been nonstop smoke? Supposedly they were continuously killing and burning 2000+ people hourly at that point?

[Anonymous No.23097800]

>>23097750
Now I'm reading more about how they burned the bodies. Again, why does Höss' daughter say there was no smell or smoke? Supposedly the crematoria broke constantly and they had to burn people in giant open pits where the human fat drained in ditches.

Is it just me or is it weird that Filip Muller's testimony is so late, and after Wiesel's success? could it be that by the mid 60s, the "Holocaust industry" was in full swing as people saw the potential profit in it?

[Anonymous No.23097861]

Hilberg gives a pretty thin coverage of local Germans' awareness of the killings. Some of the testimonies are retrospective, 20-30 years later. The few contemporary ones are very vague, and one is frankly suspect (that his apartment windows developed a "blue film" - a reference to the Prussian blue from the gas... very far away from his apartment; I think if your windows several miles from the gas chamber are being sedimented with Prussian blue, you have a problem).

Then Hilberg goes from this very thin discussion of local eyewitnesses to this:
>The powerful rumor network did not reach German listeners alone. The news of the killing centers was carried to the populations of several countries in the form of a story that out of the fat of corpses the Germans were making soap. To this day the origin of the soap-making rumor has not been traced,
But see pic related, by Quigley.

And on the famous liberation pictures of Auschwitz, see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-JM6ChF-Fw
>A Holocaust survivor has claimed that photos showing the liberation of Auschwitz aren't real, because none were taken at the Nazi-occupied concentration camp.
>Anne Frank's step-sister Eva Schloss, 90, who was sent to the notorious camp in Nazi-occupied Poland at the age of 15, appeared on Good Morning Britain today to discuss the 75th anniversary of its liberation.
>However, the survivor has alleged that pictures of Soviet Red Army liberating the camp are fake, because Russian soldiers hadn't brought cameras, and says there was a heavy snowfall at Auschwitz at the time, which isn't shown in pictures.
>She claimed that the photos, which apparently show the liberation, were in fact taken at other camps, but she didn't give an explain her theory further in the interview.

[Anonymous No.23097885]

>>23097861
based kikess

[Anonymous No.23097992]

>>23097068
>Ironically enough, even if you believe that the Holocaust did happen, the characteristically mongoloid (Muscovite and Han) prohibition on inquiry would make denial the only so-called Kantian position (congruent with Universal Reason), since it is clear that 1945 is a bottomless pit of pathology.
I think it happened and one of my grandfathers was in a U.S. Army unit that overran one of the camps. But a lot of people don't really know what happened. Nazi Germany worked a lot of people to death. They outright executed disabled people to cut the welfare and then fed their own working Aryan male population into a war furnace where they died by the millions. They turned political prisoners and unemployed into slaves in work camps. Around half of the Jewish victims died of starvation and disease in the ghettos or in straight-up shootings in the east. Not to downplay German responsibility either, but the Holocaust was a continentwide genocide that included interlocking local genocides in other countries with willing collaborators and toadies. Germany has fixated on its own guilt so much that any criticism of Israel gets branded as anti-Semitic, while other countries that had plenty of collaborators and the tendency is to deny any part in it. It's a crime in Poland for example to suggest Poles were complicit in the murder of Jews.

There was one historian who said the Nazis combined bureaucracy with magical thinking. (Trotsky also said something about the Luftwaffe pilot flying a technologically sophisticated aircraft while wearing a charm around his neck as being emblematic of the age.) There was a profound rupture during the transition from the horse-drawn civilization to the horsepower civilization and national socialism united the contradictory elements of that rupture.

On the bureaucratic side, the Nazis would also pass all kinds of rules prohibiting Jews from doing or owning all kinds of things. No pets. No bicycles. No musical instruments! No typewriters. One little mistake and they'd write you up and off you go to the ghetto, which many Jews saw as a relief because there were fewer restrictions in the ghettos, so the Nazis were deceptive and played with their victims' minds like that as they tightened the noose. They were also very bourgeois. There were Nazi officers who'd write up directives for pogroms that would say, it's acceptable to destroy Jewish homes and businesses but not loot them.

I haven't been able to learn anything from it. The Nazis seemed "powerfully" stupid. Really not interesting. Hitler didn't need to write or think because he "knew." Neo-Nazi propaganda today tends to play with people like that, like "you KNOW who's responsible…" But I find this dumb and boring. If they win then my fate will be getting shot in the face by a big dumb idiot from 4chan.

[Anonymous No.23098227]

>>23096794
He’s alive

[Anonymous No.23098237]

>>23096794
He didn't die. He just went into the coffin for a shower.

[Anonymous No.23098238]

>>23098227
sad

[Anonymous No.23098248]

>>23096874
yes, jew, I totally believe you in everything you have been saying.

What time is it?
(checks time)
It is kike purging time per Albert Pike's letters. Cheers!

[Anonymous No.23098252]

His wife claims he lives.

[Anonymous No.23098285]

>>23096794
I havent't read any of his works. Was he truly proven wrong? Are they worth reading?