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[Anonymous No.23095365]

>Start a new book
>Atheist character has integrity
>Close book
How did the editors miss such an obvious plothole?

[Anonymous No.23095372]

>>23095365
>if you don't agree with my fake jew god then you have no integrity
Fuck off, christnigger.

[Anonymous No.23095417]

>>23095372
Why would you have integrity? Nothing matters so why bother being "good" as objective morality apparently isn't a thing?

[Anonymous No.23095421]

>>23095417
>I need a book to tell me not to be a shitty person
Every time we have this thread, you niggers just use this argument and expose yourselves to be the lowest subhuman scum on the planet.

[Anonymous No.23095436]

>>23095421
>I need a book to tell me not to be a shitty person
What does this mean? "Shittiness" doesn't exist. Mortality doesn't exist unless it benefits you, right?

[Anonymous No.23095444]

>>23095436
>Mortality doesn't exist unless it benefits you, right?
What the fuck are you even trying to say, you fucking imbecile?

[Anonymous No.23095468]

>>23095444
Objective mortality doesn't exist without God.

[Anonymous No.23095484]

>>23095468
>Objective mortality doesn't exist without God.
Mortality exists regardless. Do you mean "morality", you retarded ESL third-world shitskin?

[Anonymous No.23095492]

>>23095484
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

A logical reason why I shouldn't punch you in the face for insulting me?

[Anonymous No.23095498]

>>23095492
You typed "mortality" 3 times, you dumb fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.23095500]

NOT THIS FUCKING THREAD AGAIN

go read a book finally if you are this bored you retarded spammer

[Anonymous No.23095515]

>>23095498
Keep dodging the argument.

[Anonymous No.23095530]

>>23095417
If you only have morals because you are scared then you are the one with no integrity.If you do worship something you should do it because you believe in it and what it stands for.Not just becasue you're scared of what could happen if you do not.Religion was created to teach morality it's not morality itself.

[Anonymous No.23095539]

>>23095530
I'm not scared though. I just follow goodness because the Omnibenevolence one said it is good.

[Anonymous No.23095554]

>start a new book
>christian character isn't a 5'4'' brown favelado from brazil missing half his teeth

[Anonymous No.23095620]

>>23095468
Objective morality doesn't exist with God either. See Euthyphro and Hume's is/ought

[Anonymous No.23096124]

>>23095620
Isn't euthyphro just about the dilemma of whether morals are good indepentent of what God thinks of them?

[Anonymous No.23097488]

Holy shit /lit/ has the most retarded christfags and the most reddit atheists on the internet.

[Anonymous No.23097514]

>>23097488
nope its christfags larping as atheists
everything except agnosticism is a cope btw

[Anonymous No.23098245]

>>23095620
Nothing would exist if not for God, ergo without God objective morality could not exist

[Anonymous No.23098255]

The first & last time I stole, at 9 years old, my parents could've told me Santa would bring me coal instead of presents if I didn't stop stealing. That's Christian morality. Instead they taught me that if everyone steals, the store shuts down. That's atheist morality.

[Anonymous No.23098256]

>>23098245

>A Christian tries not to make a presuppositional argument, world record failure speedrun

[Anonymous No.23098277]

>>23098255
That's an is not an ought. Not logical morality

[Anonymous No.23098284]

>>23098277

We conclude to the ought from the is, in this case, in a very straighforward causal fashion.

You say we need a lawgiver, and an unassailable authority to uphold those laws. It exists already. Go and rob a bank, see if it's angels or cops that come after you.

[Anonymous No.23098290]

>religious character commits a sin
I mean, doesn't he know that he will go to hell and burn there if he does that? if he knows why does he do it?

[Anonymous No.23098292]

>>23095365
you fucking larpers are a blight on this board. get fucked, hidden, sage, etc.

[Anonymous No.23098298]

>>23098284
So there's no such thing as an immoral law?

[Anonymous No.23098303]

>>23098290
Why do people break laws?

[Anonymous No.23098312]

>>23098303
because they think they can get away with it. do religious people can get away from God?

[Anonymous No.23098318]

>>23098298

The Christian answer to this is that nothing God commands is immoral, even if humans think it is. So their model has the same problem, they just cheat.

[Anonymous No.23098319]

>>23098312
Some? Yes.
Others? No, they have faith that they are loved. That's all.

[Anonymous No.23098324]

>>23098312
Well, 1, not literally everyone who breaks laws does so because they think they'll get away with it, maybe many do, others break laws for various reasons even if they'll 100% get caught. 2, probably many religious people do think they'll get away with it because of God's infinite forgiveness, and other people have various other reasons.

[Anonymous No.23098332]

>>23098318
It's only cheating depending on your definition of God. Most definitions of God maintain that he is moral by nature therefore he will not command you to do something immoral.
It's the whole Abraham & Issac debacle. Is God testing Abraham's loyalty or is he testing his morality? It's obviously immoral to murder your son in cold blood but if God is totally moral than you must either trust that God as a moral creator would never allow you to do so or that God is innately the sole moral force and that he is by his nature the only force of morality and disobedience of his will is the sole immorality.
Both of these are fairly awful representations of a moral God but theser aren't the only two explanations to the issue.

[Anonymous No.23098334]

>>23098319
if they still commit sins even though they are believers and the faith they believe in forbids them from doing so, what makes them different from a non-believer in terms of having integrity?

>>23098324
if religious people can create forgiveness licenses from God to bypass religious commandments, how do they differ from non-believers in having a moral compass that is supposedly stop them from committing sins?

[Anonymous No.23098337]

tell me op, what's your stance on Ivan Karamazov then

[Anonymous No.23098353]

>>23098334
What do you mean different?

[Anonymous No.23098370]

>>23098332
Why would God test these once in a generation people? Nothing really matters in the end, we all fade away and compute ourselves. It's a sad world. Bitter every night but sweet in the morning. It's the only way that the devil is defeated by God and how Heaven can exist. I am so lucky to be alive. It was out of will that I heard a voice call out in the distance. So I sleep soundly. It is sad. Life is sad but it is better than being not alive or alive with a bad spirit.

[Anonymous No.23098377]

>>23098334
This gets repeated a lot but a believer that willfully breaks their own commandments with full knowledge that they're breaking their commandments has as much or likely less integrity than someone who does not hold themselves to those commandments whatsoever.
An athiest that follows the moality of God is more favored than a disobedient thiest, although a theist who sins and earnestly repents that sin has more integrity than someone that sins and denies it as a sin.

[Anonymous No.23098386]

>>23098370
It all matters. Good authors make every word matter.

[Anonymous No.23098392]

>>23098353
I don't know what you don't understand I think what I said is pretty clear.

>>23098377
yeah that is the conclusion one would logically arrive at. OP is wrong to think an atheist is less likely to have integrity as opposed to a religious person as he tacitly implies.

[Anonymous No.23098398]

The morality favored by Christians has changed over the centuries. You can do mental gymnastics to cope, or consider that perhaps morals come from somewhere besides religion. Beyond that, our understanding of what God wants us to do is based on human interpretation of scripture. There can therefore be no objective morality even if it's based on scripture either.

[Anonymous No.23098405]

>>23098392
Oh I forgot OP's post. I'm not OP, so I never said atheists can't have integrity.

[Anonymous No.23098413]

>>23098398
>There can be no objective morality without faith
Ftfy.
God's objective morality would not be restricted to scripture because it is objective and independent of a subjective viewpoint.

[Anonymous No.23098423]

Performative online Christianity will be a memory soon, just like rage comics or people caring about net neutrality.

[Anonymous No.23098424]

>>23098392
>>23098405
I think OP was tackling the critique that without God there is no objective morality but represented it as "An athiest cannot have morals or integrity"
In a world without God, he could have morals and integrity but those morals would weigh equal to anyone elses morality

[Anonymous No.23098425]

>>23095365
>Start a new book
>religious character is a pedophile
>Close book
I'm reading books for imaginative and inspired vision, not for realism.