/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23071244]

The printing press was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.23071254]

Without the printing press I would be paying upwards of 10-20x more for a book
Literacy would be far harder to achieve and less widespread, meaning less books. Just because some people write shitty books doesn't mean literacy is le bad

[Anonymous No.23071272]

I hate reactionaries so much

[Anonymous No.23071280]

>>23071244
go shop at half price books instead of barnes and noble

[Anonymous No.23071289]

>>23071272
>>23071254
Nobody here can take an obvious joke, yes i wish books costed 10-20x more so we could segregate knowledge and actually give it value, dalits shouldnt be reading only high caste brahmin

[Anonymous No.23071304]

>>23071244
You miss the point. The printing press is fine; rather women and uneducated shouldn't be literate.

[Anonymous No.23071309]

>>23071289
>i wish books costed 10-20x more so we could segregate knowledge and actually give it value,
Every rich reader I know reads the whatever social media tells them to read. On the other hand, readers who are struggling financially read the absolute best because they can't afford to waste money on nothing. They look up the books, read their reviews, and watch videos on them before they decide to buy them.
Anyway, reading literature is a form of entertainment. It has no more value than watching movies and porn.

[Anonymous No.23071313]

>popular thing is bad
Who would have thought?

[Anonymous No.23071329]

>>23071289
Jew

[Cult of Passion No.23071376]

>>23071272
Exactly, write once and in stone. Nothing to react to.

[Anonymous No.23071390]

the printing press was great. If it were invented sooner we would have a lot fewer lost books. The problem was letting (((someone))) own all the printing presses and have the resources to market the shit out of their competition.

[Anonymous No.23071424]

Please tell me why are these booktok (which are women dominated space obviously) are obsessed with No Longer Human by Dazai?

[Anonymous No.23071427]

>>23071309
>Anyway, reading literature is a form of entertainment. It has no more value than watching movies and porn.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.23071644]

>>23071427
Not entirely wrong, it depends what you read and how.
If you're reading some high literature, taking notes (on paper or in your mind), studying the philosophies. moral dilemmas and such, it can be very valuable. But that also applies to some movies (not porn unfortunately)

If you're basically skimming through the book and/or reading erotica and other young adult type shit without putting that much thought to it, it is just a form of entertainment.

[Anonymous No.23071650]

>>23071424
Because a popular YouTuber made a video about it and it got like 5 million views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TzH0ayIcdo

[Anonymous No.23071681]

>ugh, literature is dying, no one reads anymore
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T READ THESE BOOKS THAT IS NOT REAL LITERATURE

[Anonymous No.23071686]

>>23071681
Yes
If something isn't literature it isn't literature. Not even publishers and most readers will pretend otherwise lmao. Wojak users being gay and silly, what a treat.

[Anonymous No.23071690]

>>23071244
I doubt normalfags and teenage girls understand No Longer Human, lmao.

[Anonymous No.23071692]

>>23071309
>Anyway, reading literature is a form of entertainment. It has no more value than watching movies and porn.

[Anonymous No.23071714]

>>23071686

[Anonymous No.23071729]

>>23071714
Exactly saar

[Anonymous No.23071783]

Let’s be honest, dude. This is non-culture that arose out of the internet and social media. The industrial era of the printing press was the highest of cultures compared to this. In fact, printing press to world wars was arguably the high point for prose literature. It only started to rapidly decline after the wars and the internet just tossed it off a cliff.

[Anonymous No.23071791]

>>23071244
Damn teenagers read No Longer Human? That's wild. Probably the best book on that stack as well lol.

[Anonymous No.23071797]

>>23071309

[Anonymous No.23071813]

>>23071729
yes ser

[Anonymous No.23071823]

>>23071783
You are absolutely correct, but acknowledging that nuance wouldn't make for a nice title in the OP.

[Anonymous No.23072006]

>>23071254
>less widespread, meaning less books
for the quality of books this is not a bad thing. The greatest books were not written by kids that learned to read in public school

[Anonymous No.23072082]

>>23071254
Just buy a Kindle lol

[Anonymous No.23072092]

>>23071309
> readers who are struggling financially read the absolute best because they can't afford to waste money
This is one of those “what could a banana cost, 10 dollars” moments. If you’re poor you don’t buy books. You use a library. You pirate books. Hell you can even get them for free on internet archive, on ebook apps if they’re public domain. If you’re splurging you get something out of the bargain bin at a used book store. Hell these days you can get them for free if you pay attention to local listings as people ditch them before moving rather than move a library. Or clearing out someone’s home after they die.

You don’t know what poverty is and you’re a weirdo for using pretzel logic about it in an online argument.

[Anonymous No.23072093]

>>23071714
No meme arrow therefore you look like that

[Anonymous No.23072103]

I'm unironically glad people write slop. Every barnes and noble churned slop with a flashy cover reinforces the greatness of the classics.

[Anonymous No.23072193]

>>23071791
see
>>23071650

[Anonymous No.23072201]

>>23071272
that's a pretty reactionary reaction

[Anonymous No.23072420]

>>23072093

[Anonymous No.23072607]

>>23071244
>achilles is gaaay!
when is this ever implied? he takes multiple women as war captives during the sack of troy, and his patroness is Athena

[Anonymous No.23073548]

>>23071272
Really? They are the only people I like.

[Anonymous No.23073597]

How many of these have you read?

[Anonymous No.23073674]

>>23072201
Who's the most reactionary reactor? The reactor, or the reactor who reacted to the reactors reaction?

[Anonymous No.23073740]

you put your left ball in.
you pull your right ball out.
you pull your pecker free
and you shake it all about.
then you poke the pussy
as you turn the ass around.
and that’s what it’s all about

[Anonymous No.23074149]

the library needs to sell books so they go ahead and do this for marketing, is not hard to see why, they are a bussiness, it's simple. Stop being so overdramatic.

[Anonymous No.23074239]

>>23072092
I'm poor and have a pretty nice book collection. I'll dump half a grand on a rare edition and skip meals for a week before doing the financially sensible thing.

[Anonymous No.23074289]

>>23071681
on the contrary, no matter how many 80 IQ people read, it will never improve the state of literature. The proles reading doesn't matter, never has. Taste is guided by the aristos. Sadly, literature is a dead format these days, so they've moved on elsewhere

[Anonymous No.23074295]

>>23074289
>moved on elsewhere
Where though?

[Anonymous No.23074297]

I think literacy is an essential skill that every citizen should be equipped with
I think their fullest potential should be reached through government intervention namely corporal punishment of parents who do not consistently read to their children

[Anonymous No.23074305]

Just imagine if books all still had to be hand written- there would be cloisters of monks writing down the newest YA slop and transqueer books to appease the voracious noble readers in their ivory towers, paying handful of gold coins to grab books with beautiful gold-leaf illustrations of obese black women on the cover.

[Anonymous No.23074331]

>>23071424
>>23071791
Went in one day a year ago or so to see if they had a copy of it because I wanted to read it randomly and couldn't find it no matter how hard I looked. The staff saw they had a few copies and eventually managed to find it and pulled it off the TikTok shelf. I accidentally laughed at the girl when she explained to me what the section was.

[Anonymous No.23074353]

>>23071244
Imagine how many trees died for this

[Anonymous No.23074951]

>>23074305
sounds like an interesting premise for a short story

[Anonymous No.23075192]

>>23071244
>kids are actually reading again
>this is bad somehow

[Anonymous No.23076067]

“Sometimes you don't mourn people so much as you mourn who they could've been.”
― Hannah F. Whitten, For the Wolf

[Anonymous No.23076077]

>>23071424
Cause Yozo is a chad and they all want to fuck him

[Anonymous No.23076085]

>>23073674
the second one is more reactionarier

[Anonymous No.23076099]

>>23075192
I dont think its kids, its millennial women.

[Anonymous No.23076922]

>>23071254
rightwingers don't like widespread literacy because it means less people vote for them.

There's a reason why the Catholic Church (as just one example among many) banned the laity from reading the Bible. It's the same principle. Knowledge in the hands of many (i.e. democracy) is antithetical to aristocratic/republican methods, which prefers power in the hands of a few.

[Anonymous No.23076980]

>>23071244
Nah, mate, women's rights was a mistake

[Anonymous No.23076991]

>>23076980
>let's reverse the voting rights that have been won over the centuries!
next you'll be advocating that only ONE person gets to make any political decisions, and everyone else is owned by that autocrat.
You're fucking stupid, to put it nicely. if you don't like the way women vote, then get better ideas to sell them.

[Anonymous No.23077009]

>>23076922

Right Wingers would welcome open discourse though. Leftists "like" literacy only when the control what's being read.

[Anonymous No.23077022]

>>23071244
all books are trash desu, the few good ones have already been turned into audiobooks years ago. I'm slowly training myself to become illiterate because honestly its an useless skill nowadays

[Anonymous No.23077032]

>>23077009
>rightwingers welcome open discourse
not really, they just say that so they can get their ideas across, but when it comes time to hearing the other side they'll shut them down with accusations of being irreligious or communist, etc. Rightwingers are more known for banning books, let's not forget.

Sure, leftwingers have banned certain books too, though the reasoning behind theirs is different. Rightwing ban books because they want to keep (just a few examples) sex, gays, trans, in the closet. Leftwing ban books because they're extremely racist (the usual culprit).
The rightwing think premarital or gay sex is sinful, and then glorify violence and murder when its done at the behest of the rich and powerful (i.e. war)

[Anonymous No.23077041]

>>23077032
When I say right wing I meant more libertarian/ancap than fascist tbf.

Whne I used to care about this sort of thing, I was an AnCap and I genuinely would prefer to allow everything possible, as I believe the best ideas would rise to the top in an open society.

[Anonymous No.23077052]

>>23077041
okay, i mean more in the traditional sense of rightwing, like fascism, republicanism, aristocracy, brute authoritarianism.

[Anonymous No.23077054]

>>23071289
>dalits shouldnt be reading only high caste brahmin
Look where those kind of ideas led India to. Eating literal cow shit.

[Anonymous No.23077077]

>>23076991
Raising women to the level of men is the root problem of many of society's ills. Women are emotional and hysterical and their panicky nature leads to the implementation of catastrophic policies. Property owning men should be in charge, and society should be structured to ensure every able bodied working man becomes a property owner. Or you can embrace endless HR departments and the lgbtqia+onomatopoeia crowd and the continued downfall of society.

[Anonymous No.23077922]

>>23071244
What do you think women think when they read something like No Longer Human? Can they understand it?

[Anonymous No.23078173]

>>23071244
Yes we're all in agreement the printing press is bad. They should have invented epubs and PDFs much sooner.

[Anonymous No.23078189]

>>23078173
You clearly have not read this thread because we are not all in agreement that the printing press is bad.

[Anonymous No.23078412]

>>23071272
Houellebecq said all the great authors were reactionaries.

[Anonymous No.23078697]

>>23077022
but how are you going to engage in profound discussion on /lit then!

[Anonymous No.23079128]

why tf is dazai there? i thought only 4chinners here hailed him as literally me

[Anonymous No.23079133]

>>23071254
What a nerd

[Anonymous No.23079138]

>>23078412
Who gives a shit what he said?

[Anonymous No.23079154]

>>23079128
Normals are reading him because of a youtuber. If you read their reviews you'll see that they got filtered.

[Anonymous No.23079344]

>>23079154
kek they couldnt relate perhaps

[Anonymous No.23080432]

>>23071244
It is what it is.

[Anonymous No.23081035]

>>23077032
Leftists are currently doing exactly what you accuse the right of.

[Anonymous No.23081309]

>>23074331
It's never not funny when you want to buy something that's trending without evening knowing it's trending. Also a little embarrassing desu

[Anonymous No.23081740]

>>23074295
Nowhere. An aristocracy needs a tradition to look back on in order to legitimise itself, which is the very opposite of what so called artists have been doing since the last century. The only people nowadays who are acquainted with the past to a level comparable to that of a 19th century artist are academics who are too concerned with analysis and deconstruction to turn their knowledge into something beautiful.

[Anonymous No.23081752]

>>23076922
I hate whig history so much

[Anonymous No.23081917]

>>23071644
>not porn
Is there really no porn produced EVER that doesn't enhance the mind and body?

[Anonymous No.23082797]

he was right about everything

[Anonymous No.23082805]

>>23077052
>i mean more in the traditional sense of rightwing, like fascism, republicanism
You are wildly underage.

[Anonymous No.23082807]

>>23082797
Every day I'm a little more convinced.

[Anonymous No.23082814]

>>23082797
Yes. He was.

[Anonymous No.23082875]

>>23071254
>>23076922
fewer*

[Anonymous No.23082887]

>>23071244

It’s time to admit video games won. Books were just a temporary placeholder until they arrived.

[Anonymous No.23084068]

>>23071289
>yes i wish books costed 10-20x more
uhhh

[Anonymous No.23084088]

>>23071280
not op but we dont have one here :(
i was able to go to one in austin though and i got some rad shit super cheap
but where i'm at we have two used bookstores that are both overpriced and have terrible stock and B&N so there's not much i can do
:(
:(
so sad

[Anonymous No.23084337]

>>23076922
Literally the most reddit comment of all time.

[Anonymous No.23084374]

>>23071244
You need to go to a better B&N.

[Anonymous No.23084394]

>>23077032
This is a jew

[Anonymous No.23084433]

>>23084374
>Call of the Crocodile
Is it worth reading for the memes?

[Anonymous No.23084692]

>>23071244
books could cost 1kx, the torrents would still be there, i would feel 0 change

[Anonymous No.23084815]

>>23071244
I find it astounding that people have a library at their disposal which would make all the records in Alexandria seem infinitesimally small, this library is indexed and you can search for anything you want in an instant. But this is too hard, it has to be on Netflix/Booktok,they have to be guided like sheep. At least for those of us who can appreciate this monumentous achievement of the internet it is such a powerful tool that can free the mind.

[Anonymous No.23086231]

>>23071244
From LGBTQ Reads .com

[Anonymous No.23086242]

>>23071244
>young people are reading newly written books?
>nooooooooooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.23086250]

>>23071244
why are tiktok kids reading No Longer Human?
Just because there's a parody anime coming out?

[Anonymous No.23086254]

>>23071244
Gee, I wonder who could be behind this post.

[Anonymous No.23086886]

>>23086254
*strangled for being a heretic

[Anonymous No.23087110]

>>23071309
You can't put values on entertainment like that.
Capitalism has been a disaster for human life.

[Anonymous No.23087140]

>>23072193
Coming soon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu6STuj4njw

[Anonymous No.23088292]

>>23071244
Circe by Madeline Miller
Set during the Greek Heroic Age, it is an adaptation of various Greek myths, most notably the Odyssey, as told from the perspective of Circe. The novel explores Circe's origin story and narrates Circe's encounters with mythological figures such as Hermes, the Minotaur, Jason, and Medea, and ultimately her romance with Odysseus and his son, Telemachus.

In 2018, Circe was named the Best Fantasy novel in the Goodreads Choice Awards, received the Red Tentacle Kitschie Award for best novel, and was an Athenaeum Literary Award winner

HBO announced an eight-episode adaptation of the novel

[Anonymous No.23088295]

>>23071309
>watch videos on them
Absolute retards

[Anonymous No.23088328]

Write with blood and you'll understand bood is spirit

[Anonymous No.23088920]

>>23084433
break the window glass, Frank...and jump...and finally be free
your parents deserve it

[Anonymous No.23090144]

>>23084374
this made me chuckle

[Anonymous No.23090223]

>>23071289
if books cost 10-20x more to print, publishers would only sell the slop that's guaranteed to sell

[Anonymous No.23090230]

>>23071289
Good morning sir!

[Anonymous No.23090416]

>>23071424
nihilism for normies

[Anonymous No.23090579]

>>23071272
Not as much as I hate communists.

[Anonymous No.23091486]

>>23071244
The Midnight Library by Matt Haig
A novel about all the choices that go into a life well lived.

Between life and death there is a library, and within that library, the shelves go on foreverr to infinity, each one the story of another reality. Every book provides a chance to try another life you could have lived. To see how things would be if you had made other choices

One tells the story of your life as it is, along with another book for the other life you could have lived if you had made a different choice at any point in your life. While we all wonder how our lives might have been, what if you had the chance to go to the library and see for yourself? Would any of these other lives truly be better?

The protagonist is faced with this decision. Faced with the possibility a new life life, a new career path, new relationships, continuing ones you ended too early, and extending ones you wished has lasted longer, realizing dreams through the Midnight Library while deciding what is truly fulfilling in life, and what makes it worth living in the first place

[Anonymous No.23091554]

>>23071424
Rich sad boy literature is their bread and butter.

[Anonymous No.23091688]

I would like to thank Booktok for allowing me to purchase lolita without being judged by the store clerk or amazon employees

[Anonymous No.23091744]

>>23082807
what is this supposed to be? i worry i may come across like this...

[Anonymous No.23091777]

>>23071244
Hate 50 year old horny women, ruin anything fucking hate them.

[Anonymous No.23092406]

Got a few shorts recommending this book recently. Looks like an interesting reading experience. It is on libgen, but it feels like it would be better in the physical form, though it's quite pricy. Do you think it's worth it?

[Anonymous No.23092449]

>>23084374
Has anyone ever actually read the Turner diaries here?

[Anonymous No.23092529]

>>23071244
I really dig the Circe cover

[Anonymous No.23092603]

>>23084337
literally the most 4chan comment of all time.

btw, it's 2024, no one gives a crap anymore about stale, old 2016 memes about reddit.

[Anonymous No.23092948]

>>23076099
she's cute. u guys think I'd get made fun of for only being able to land a waifu with no irises?
I'd read to her every day.
if she calls me at work, I drop what I'm doing to read circe

[Anonymous No.23092958]

>>23092948
*I can record audiobooks for her too

[Anonymous No.23092961]

>>23092529
>"what if... ok guys, listen up... what if... we did the Odyssey... wait guys, listen... what if we did the Odyssey but from the perspective of a female character? Wahmen will love it!"
women truly are the best market for slop

[Anonymous No.23092965]

>>23071254
literature was comfier when it was restricted to the upper classes. Higher barrier to entry is almost always a good thing imo

[Anonymous No.23093123]

>No longer human

they're appropriating our culture

[Anonymous No.23093130]

>>23092961
What are you up my ass about its contents for, I posted about the cover

[Anonymous No.23093133]

>>23087110
For as much as this board blames the reformation and capitalism you ever considered you, in fact might be the problem?

[Anonymous No.23093143]

>>23074239
Well your just retard buddy.

[Anonymous No.23093160]

>>23074289
There’s no precedent for the democratization of today. You can’t use the past as a precedent for today. Also this is based on the assumption that there are no intellectual middle class or poor

[Anonymous No.23093162]

>>23077022
How do you train to become illiterate?

[Anonymous No.23094601]

>>23077022
Audiobooks are still books.

[Anonymous No.23094986]

>>23074331
My funniest bookstore experience was when I went to the local equivalent of Barnes&Noble to pick up an order, decided to see if I could tick some more stuff off my list so I asked the girl at the counter if they had Ovid's Ars Amatoria
>Let me check - you said Ovid?
>Yes
>What's his last name?
>Yeah nevermind

[Anonymous No.23095015]

>>23086231
just sickening
the worst part is that I typed like that when I was younger

[Anonymous No.23095039]

>>23094986
>pretends to be superior
>acts like a complete snob
>still has to personally shop at plebian bookstores
now THAT is funny

[Anonymous No.23095942]

>>23095039
There is absolutely nothing snobbish about expecting someone working in a library to know who Ovid is, you vantablack nigger
>has to personally shop there
It's close to my house, why wouldn't I have my book delivered there?

[Anonymous No.23095946]

>>23071244
There is one good book in this pic (Osamu Dazai)

Rest is trash

[Anonymous No.23096575]

>>23071244
The internet was a mistake.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.23096592]

>>23076922

[Anonymous No.23096593]

>>23095942
aren't B&N employees usually just random college kids working minimum wage? can't expect librarian level knowledge from them

[Anonymous No.23096603]

>>23096593
The thing is, knowing Ovid is not librarian level knowledge

[Anonymous No.23096607]

>>23096575
Human Consciousness was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.23096610]

>>23096603
it is in current year

[Anonymous No.23096612]

>>23096603
You actually sound insufferable

[Anonymous No.23097465]

>>23071309
Porn is above literature

[Anonymous No.23097471]

>>23096612
Better than sounding like a homosexual

[Anonymous No.23098965]

>>23071244
This is one of the ones being made into a movie, they already got the script for finished and the director hired

The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue: widely praised fantasy novel based about Adeline LaRue, who makes makes a bargain with the devil (she names Luc) that makes her immortal, but curses her to be forgotten by everyone she meets (even after one encounter). She's a French lady made the deal back in 1714 in a French village, but the novel is set in present day NYC. Over time she subtly influences many people, making marks in history and inspiring the creation of songs and art about her

>Schwab’s new book The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue isn’t just an amazing book for its genre; it’s an amazing book, full stop...a gorgeous, immersive story.”―Chicago Review of Books

>“One of the most propulsive, compulsive and captivating novels in recent memory.”―Washington Post

>"When I first finished Addie LaRue, I sat back with a deep sense of wonder. Schwab’s words had weaved their spell and left me starstruck... eloquent and beautiful...Addie LaRue sparks something internally as you read and what is the point of reading, if not to feel?"―The Nerd Daily

>This book was, just WOW. This book is amazing. point blank.

> A Magnificent Story Worth Reading Again & Again.... a fantastic book .... there are very few books I would go back and re-read. This is one such book.

[Anonymous No.23099128]

>>23076922
I want no literacy for the masses because I don't want them to vote at all.

[Anonymous No.23099498]

>>23084374
there is no fucking way this is a thing

[Anonymous No.23099502]

>>23098965
>immortal but forgotten by everyone
theres like no downside to this bargain

[Anonymous No.23099590]

>>23092965
>books became affordable to the masses around late 18th century
>barely any good books released before 18th century
>close to zero good books written before the invention of the printing press in the 15th century
>novels basically didn't exist until 17th century
No dude, it definitely wasn't comfier. The best age for literature in my opinion was the 19th century, and at that time even a large part of the low class could afford buying a book every now and then.

>Higher barrier to entry is almost always a good thing
When it comes to consumption, no, I don't see a single reason for that. When it comes to creating, yes, since it filters out people who don't really care that much.

[Anonymous No.23099597]

>>23099498
get a pair of glasses, it's a photoshop

[Anonymous No.23099838]

>>23099590
>barely any good books released before 18th century
What?

[Anonymous No.23100101]

>>23099838
Just my opinion.

Compared to the 19th century alone, 17th century literature and before feels really fucking empty. The first millenium basically consists of schizo-babble, and the first half of the second millenium also does.

[Anonymous No.23100108]

>>23071272
True and based

[Anonymous No.23100165]

>>23071244
The internet was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.23101264]

>>23071244
In this YA contemporary queer romance from the author of Hot Dog Girl, an openly gay track star falls for a closeted, bisexual teen beauty queen. Morgan—out and proud, and determined to have a fresh start—doesn't want to have to keep their budding relationship a secret, Ruby isn't ready to come out yet. With each girl on a different path, can they go the distance together?

[Anonymous No.23101497]

>>23071244
am I the only one who thinks no longer human is totally overrated? it’s doomerism watered down for the masses. telling instead of showing

[Anonymous No.23101509]

>>23101497
Most of the normies reading it do think it's "muh depression literally me!!!" and have no idea what it's actually about. They think "Me hide sadness > me just like Yozo" and other braindead takes.