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[Anonymous No.23059699]

>nooo you can't just ignore philosophy and dedicate your life to science!
>philosophy is important because... it just is! okay!?

[Anonymous No.23059701]

>>23059699
>Common sense cannot understand speculation; and what is more, it must come to hate speculation when it has experience of it; and, unless it is in the state of perfect indifference that security confers, it is bound to detest and persecute it.

[Anonymous No.23059707]

>>23059701
Based hegelian enjoyer.
Fuck op, and his "Soience".

[Anonymous No.23059712]

>>23059701
Now say that again, but in simple english.

>inb4 "hurr durr ur too retarded for philosophy"
As expected of pretentious philosofaggots that jerk off to their own grandiose sounding overcomplicated texts.

[Anonymous No.23059723]

>>23059712
>Now say that again, but in simple english
ngmi

>The difficulties of being precise about knowledge are one reason why English is not considered well-suited for discussions about epistemology, and terms from other languages, notably Latin and German, are commonly used.

Sundholm, Göran (2014), "The Vocabulary of Epistemology, with Observations on Some Surprising Shortcomings of the English Language", Mind, Values, and Metaphysics, Springer International Publishing, pp.203–208, doi:10.1007/978-3-319-05146-8_13, ISBN9783319051451

[Anonymous No.23059724]

>>23059699
How does the scientific method determine the direction of a society? How does the scientific method come up with ethics and morality? How does the scientific method give an individual any direction in life? If you only acknowledge science, you only acknowledge the material world. There's no room for abstract philosophical thinking, religion or culture. You may not know it, but you're a Marxist.

[Anonymous No.23059731]

>>23059724
The industrial revolution absolutely determined the directions of society, as did oil based engines, internet, etc, all things that exist as a direct result of scientific effort.

[Anonymous No.23059743]

>>23059723
>no, I can't say it in simple english because... I just can't! okay!?
continental philosophy everyone

[Anonymous No.23059752]

>>23059724
>if you don't acknowledge the importance of philosophy, you're a <category of philosophy>-ist!
lmao you're like a christian telling me i'm a sinner for not believing in christ

[Anonymous No.23059759]

>>23059743
It was quite simple for non-ESL's

[Anonymous No.23059761]

>>23059759
You're clearly incapable of following simple instructions.

[Anonymous No.23059767]

>>23059761
You're clearly incapable of reading simple english.
>Can you do it more wetawder fow me
No

[Anonymous No.23059783]

>>23059743
>Philosophy is, by its very nature, something esoteric, neither made for the vulgar as it stands [für sich], nor capable of being got up to suit the vulgar taste
seethe more plebster

[Anonymous No.23059810]

>>23059699
Correct, you literally can't ignore philosophy assuming you aren't quite literally retarded or brain dead.

[Anonymous No.23059816]

>>23059712
"As expected of pretentious philosofaggots that jerk off to their own grandiose sounding overcomplicated texts."
Lol. Cope.
You are indeed to stupid to even understand.
I feel bad for you.

[Anonymous No.23059852]

Science used to be called "natural philosophy".

[Anonymous No.23059864]

>>23059731
>The industrial revolution absolutely determined the directions of society, as did oil based engines, internet, etc, all things that exist as a direct result of scientific effort
I did not say that science has no impact on culture. You forgot to see the forest through the trees.
Those societies already had underlying religious institutions, cultural attitudes and philosophies which is why the evolved in different directions. If scientific progress was the only thing that had any bearing on culture, then why isn't every society the same with modern technology? Why are some societies more capable of inventing new technologies than others if they have access to the same information and industrial resources?
>>23059752
Hit the nail on the head with that one.
You have a materialist world view. Anything that challenges it is scary. You don't want to understand anything outside of the institution you personally believe in. Other ideas could shake your understanding of the world so you don't want to understand. Paradoxically, you call me a Zealot despite being one by closing your mind off to anything that doesn't conform to your preconceived notions.

[Anonymous No.23059903]

>>23059767
You seem to equate your ability to perform the mechanical task of untangling convoluted sentences with true intelligence. You're like a crow, fascinated by shiny things, but completely incapable of understanding their true value.

[Anonymous No.23059913]

>>23059712
Don't blame others for your inability to read

[Anonymous No.23059917]

>>23059783
>>23059816
>look ma, I made a complex sentence!
>all my classmates consider me a genius because they don't understand shit of my schizo babble
>are you proud of your smart boy, ma?
lmao pathetic

being able to simplify stuff is the only true indicator of intelligence, and you obviously suck at it

[Anonymous No.23059934]

>>23059917
shit bait.

[Anonymous No.23059942]

>>23059934
>no argument
I accept your concession, continental demagogue.

[Anonymous No.23059956]

>>23059903
>No you have to make this already simple english text even more simple for lil ol me
>NO U dun getit
Sheesh, no need to be so upset lil guy.

[Anonymous No.23060167]

>>23059956
>no no, u don get it, its *supposed* to be hard to read
>that way we can claim we're smarter than others
>if we simplify our writings, everyone will know we have nothing to say

[Anonymous No.23060190]

>>23060167
keep seething. it only makes me stronger.

[Anonymous No.23060210]

>>23060190
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060215]

>>23060167
>Hard to read
Only for esl's

[Anonymous No.23060218]

this board is full of pseuds now, wtf happened? feels like I'm on /his/

[Anonymous No.23060226]

>>23059699
There is no difference between philosophy and science if one has grown sufficient in their wisdom, by which I do mean, sufficiently aware of their own foolishness.

[Anonymous No.23060238]

>>23060215
False.
The vast majority of the English speaking population finds sentences such as >>23059701 needlessly convoluted.
You're just coping.

[Anonymous No.23060255]

>>23060238
The vast majority of philosophy is poorly written bluster from morons who thought they were geniuses; but that doesnt render the entirety of it useless. There's some good ones.

[Anonymous No.23060263]

>>23060238
>The vast majority of the English speaking population finds sentences such as >>23059701 needlessly convoluted.
KEK. The Polloi do be dumb.

[Anonymous No.23060265]

>>23060238
>The vast majority
The vast majority of english speakers is brown. You have no argument unless you are indeed, like I alreadt mentioned, an ESL.

[Anonymous No.23060267]

>>23060238
The vast majority of the english speaking population is also retarded. Why should I care?

[Anonymous No.23060273]

>>23060238
>Too dumb to understand "convoluted sentences"
>Thinks himself able to do le science
KWAB

[Anonymous No.23060298]

>>23060255
>>23060263
>>23060265
>>23060267
>>23060273
>nooo
>it is not me who is intentionally turning simple concepts into needlessly convoluted sentences in order to keep up my status as a myst..ahem, I mean, "philosopher"
>it is everyone else who is retarded

[Anonymous No.23060309]

>>23060298
>Too dumb to read
>Thinks he can into science
You're too retarded for both lmao, keep coping.

[Anonymous No.23060324]

>>23060298
my power level is going off the charts right now

[Anonymous No.23060335]

>>23060298
The best parts of philosophy are bound up in extremely simple concepts.
This isn't any sort of legitimate attack on philosophy as is, it's just you wanting to be argumentative for sport.

[Anonymous No.23060347]

>>23060298
>status as a myst..ahem, I mean, "philosopher"
as if a mystic can't be a philosopher

>Speculative truth, it may also be noted, means very much the same as what, in special connection with religious experience and doctrines, used to be called Mysticism.

[Anonymous No.23060353]

>>23060335
The constant jak usage should've been a give away. Doesn't mean he doesn't believe what he says, just that his life revolves around trying to be right.

[Anonymous No.23060361]

>>23060353
It's whatever. Sometimes I also use 4chan as an outlet for my petty impotent aggression. I would be remiss if I didn't give a fellow, physically incapable utter nerd the chance to simulate being tough for a moment. Honestly, it would be somewhat of a crime.

[Anonymous No.23060372]

>>23060361
>a fellow, physically incapable utter nerd
speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.23060396]

>>23060309
>>23060324
>>23060353
>>23060361
see >>23059942

>>23060347
>proves my point
Why are """philosophers""" so insistent on talking in tongues?
Could it be because it is the only way to get funding out of pretentious billionaires who want to appear smarter than others by praising over-convoluted bullshit that doesn't actually mean anything?

[Anonymous No.23060399]

>>23060396

[Anonymous No.23060433]

>>23060396
Good morning saar, English be hard

[Anonymous No.23060439]

>>23060399
>>23060433
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060441]

>>23060439
I shit my pants mr rajesh, u know I what do now? Ganges is very dirty today

[Anonymous No.23060458]

>>23060441
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060463]

>>23059699
18. The wise man, the seeker after wisdom, is bound closely, indeed, to his body, but he is an absentee so far as his better self is concerned, and he concentrates his thoughts upon lofty things. Bound, so to speak, to his oath of allegiance, he regards the period of life as his term of service. He is so trained that he neither loves nor hates life; he endures a mortal lot, although he knows that an ampler lot is in store for him. 19. Do you forbid me to contemplate the universe? Do you compel me to withdraw from the whole and restrict me to a part? May I not ask what are the beginnings of all things, who moulded the universe, who took the confused and conglomerate mass of sluggish matter, and separated it into its parts? May I not inquire who is the Master-Builder of this universe, how the mighty bulk was brought under the control of law and order, who gathered together the scattered atoms, who separated the disordered elements and assigned an outward form to elements that lay in one vast shapelessness? Or whence came all the expanse of light? And whether is it fire, or something even brighter than fire?[12] 20. Am I not to ask these questions? Must I be ignorant of the heights whence I have descended? Whether I am to see this world but once, or to be born many times? What is my destination afterwards? What abode awaits my soul on its release from the laws of slavery among men? Do you forbid me to have a share in heaven? In other words, do you bid me live with my head bowed down? 21. No, I am above such an existence; I was born to a greater destiny than to be a mere chattel of my body, and I regard this body as nothing but a chain[13] which manacles my freedom. Therefore, I offer it as a sort of buffer to fortune, and shall allow no wound to penetrate through to my soul. For my body is the only part of me which can suffer injury. In this dwelling, which is exposed to peril, my soul lives free. 22. Never shall this flesh drive me to feel fear, or to assume any pretence that is unworthy of a good man. Never shall I lie in order to honour this petty body. When it seems proper, I shall sever my connexion with it. And at present, while we are bound together, our alliance shall nevertheless not be one of equality; the soul shall bring all quarrels before its own tribunal. To despise our bodies is sure freedom.

[Anonymous No.23060470]

>>23060458
You and I brother mister, please help out we same skin. We top surgeons in Delhi!!!!! English exam harder than surgeon exam hahahahaha

[Anonymous No.23060473]

>>23060372
Uh-huh. As if I can't see you.

[Anonymous No.23060475]

>>23059699
With philosophy, one ceases to think in twitter clapback memes from 2019

[Anonymous No.23060478]

>>23060475
Saar please explain, what is clapback

[Anonymous No.23060479]

Will u guys please read my thread
>>>23060350
I never post shit and haven't written in six years. I swear I'll never do it again. But plz

[Anonymous No.23060518]

>>23060470
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060527]

>>23060518
I don't understand that saar. English is hard. Plz sexplain

[Anonymous No.23060562]

>>23060527
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060563]

>another thread where an ESL bugman Rasheed tries to invalidate a 2500 year old tradition of thought because it’s like hecking hard to understand big words and stuff

[Anonymous No.23060566]

>>23060562
Please explain sor, what is concession and what is demagogue. Most english talker no understand that fluff

[Anonymous No.23060615]

>>23059701
What a retarded pseudo-deepity. Common sense and speculation are not in conflict. Any sufficiently smart person (most philosophers certainly don't fall into this category) intuitively recognizes the right contexts for common sense and for speculation respectively.

[Anonymous No.23060622]

>>23060563
>a 2500 years old tradition can't be wrong

>>23060566
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060630]

>>23060615
>Poster count didn't go up
Glad you finally could read though. Now to work towards understanding.

[Anonymous No.23060631]

>>23059724
>How does the scientific method determine the direction of a society?
How does philosophy? We are governed by psychopaths who don't give a shit about your armchair pseudery.

>How does the scientific method come up with ethics and morality?
How does philosophy? Not a single ethical question has ever been answered conclusively by philosoplebs.

>How does the scientific method give an individual any direction in life?
How does philosophy? All the philosocucks seem to be unhappy NEETs.

>If you only acknowledge science, you only acknowledge the material world.
Acknowledging science doesn't prevent me from acknowledging other things not covered by science. False dichotomy.

>There's no room for abstract philosophical thinking, religion or culture.
In your head there certainly isn't.

>You may not know it, but you're a Marxist.
Back into the cage, wagie. Then maybe you can afford rent or food. No, you can't have both - that would be communism, and communism is bad because it leads to poverty!

[Anonymous No.23060641]

>>23060622
>see>>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060646]

>>23060630
Poster count definitely went up because that was my first post. Your bizarre case of fregoli delusion requires immediate medical intervention.

[Anonymous No.23060651]

>>23060646
He's going into almost every thread and saying something negative because he is having a bad day. Peep the threads with low response totals. He's literally throwing a hissy fit

[Anonymous No.23060658]

>>23060615
>Common sense and speculation are not in conflict.
yes they are

[Anonymous No.23060661]

>>23060641
>no u

[Anonymous No.23060676]

>>23060646
>>23060651
Meds

[Anonymous No.23060682]

>>23060661
Hello saar we both no speak english, explain>>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060688]

>>23059699
literally no scientist™ worth their salt would say this
t. msc in biology

[Anonymous No.23060699]

>>23060641
>>23060566
>>23060527
>>23060470
>>23060441
>spic defending English
Lol. Nobody likes you, Paco.

[Anonymous No.23060709]

>>23060699
>No u are brown
Hello saar why do noone explain the english BIRCH MOTHERFUCKIN BASTARD

[Anonymous No.23060719]

>>23060709
Stop coping, spic. Your seethe won't magically replace your shitskin.

[Anonymous No.23060722]

nobody uses these words in the real life. Using big words when they are not needed is lame.

[Anonymous No.23060726]

>>23060719
Hello saar please explain>>23059701
and >>23059942
I no speak english, I am indian

[Anonymous No.23060728]

What is this infantile exchange of insults? I thought /lit/ was the smart board.

[Anonymous No.23060733]

>>23060658
Only if you're low IQ. In that case you shouldn't be allowed to do philosophy.

[Anonymous No.23060739]

>>23060728
It's a butthurt paco. He thinks dabbing on poos somehow makes everyone forget that he is a retarded ESL shitskin himself. Spics are a plight.

[Anonymous No.23060740]

>>23060733
>Only if you're low IQ
nope

[Anonymous No.23060741]

>>23060728
Never was, notice how this thread got created by someone just to argue in the first place. Jak users should be raped to death.

[Anonymous No.23060744]

>>23060739
I am brown si senor please ese hombre, explain the english used in both those links n sshi. For me and my indian hermano

[Anonymous No.23060745]

>>23060739
>plight
ESL momento

[Anonymous No.23060749]

>>23060744
I hope a dog rapes you in the hood.

[Anonymous No.23060759]

>>23060749
Orale homes please explain the english for la raza. You aint a foo aintchu. Us browns gotta stick togetherr n stuff vato

[Anonymous No.23060771]

haven't seen a thread filled with more obvious ai bots than this one

[Anonymous No.23060815]

>>23060682
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060830]

>>23060815
You made 3 other threads to seethe, you lost lmao

[Anonymous No.23060835]

>>23060830
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060851]

>>23060835
>Seethes more
>Still doesn't understand basic english
lmao, keep making more philosophy hate threads schizo

[Anonymous No.23060883]

>>23060851
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060896]

>>23060883
see
>>23060534
>>23060748
>>23060781
>>23060721

[Anonymous No.23060907]

>>23059699
>you can't just ignore philosophy and dedicate your life to science!
You can and no one is stopping you op. However, you're just here to bait so I'm guessing that's why you made this thread.

>>philosophy is important because... it just is! okay!?
"Philosophy ('love of wisdom' in Ancient Greek) is a systematic study of general and fundamental questions concerning topics like existence, reason, knowledge, value, mind, and language. It is a rational and critical inquiry that reflects on its own methods and assumptions."
I don't think you understand but anything that falls outside the domain of "pure" sciences is subject to philosophy.
History, politics, sociology, psychology, ethics, legalism are all related somewhat to philosophy and, to varying degrees, depend on it. In fact, most of the famous and important politicians, historians, jurists were at one point philosophers.
The whole world is built on philosophy, that's why it's important to at least grasp the basics.
However, I'm guessing that you're asking precisely why we need philosophers who circlejerk each other with complex sentences which you can't understand.
As for that, although academic gatekeeping is kinda retarded, these philosophers aren't in essence "important". They just do what they like for fun and sometimes contribute to a better understanding of the world.

[Euronymous No.23060908]

>>23060396
>no argument

There was a very clear argument, mongoloid. You suggest that we should use simpler language in order to be understood by common people. I claim that we shouldn't care. Most people who have something to contribute to philosophy have reading comprehension above 8th grade.

[Anonymous No.23060911]

jakker win thoughbeit. Soience>philosoiphy

[Anonymous No.23060915]

>I will just sit at home and think about the semantics
>please feed me

[Anonymous No.23060921]

>>23060908
Funniest thing about this all is how he insists science is doable for him despite not understanding that already simple english text.

[Anonymous No.23060922]

>>23060908
>implying an 8th grade student would understand this word salad >>23059701
wow, you're really out of touch with the real world, aren't you?

>>23060896
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23060925]

>>23060911
Nah he is seething>>23060896
because he knows he is gay

[Anonymous No.23060931]

>>23060922
>Implying an 8th grade student would understand rocket science
Git gud though I know you'll keep seething

[Anonymous No.23061094]

>>23060931
see >>23059942

[Anonymous No.23061167]

>>23059712
You haven't done the work to actually understand philosophy. It scares you and so you hate it. You're fucking stupid. Grow up and realize you can read both.

[Anonymous No.23061186]

>>23061167
Don't bother, see>>23060896
just a spergout

[Anonymous No.23061507]

>>23061167
>doing the mundane work of simplifying convoluted sentences in order to understand a *simple point* the author wanted to convey is a price you have to pay to join le secret club
so philosophy is a cult, huh?
no wonder philosofags in this thread are defending their sacred texts so religiously

[Euronymous No.23061789]

>>23060922
holy shit you're an actual nigger

[Anonymous No.23061949]

the jakker won. you guys are a bunch of psueds