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[Anonymous No.23057682]

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[Anonymous No.23057761]

>>23057682
Am I supposed to idealized a good cover

[Anonymous No.23057812]

>>23057682
Subjective idealism is idiotic, only surpassed by the idiocy of eliminitive materialism or epiphenomenalism. These are, ultimately, sophistries. Their proponents don't even believe themselves, as evidenced by their continual efforts to convince others of their position. This, despite the fact that they claim that their interlocutors are either be not truly conscious (eliminitivism) or are variously just figments of their own mind (solipsism) or else locked away in their own word, which we have no reason to believe should have anything to do with the world they are in (subjective idealism).

It is clearly mistaken to try to reduce all of subjective reality to the objective/mathematical. Would we really say the truth of the taste of coffee or the horrors of the First World War lies in a phase-space map of all the particles involved? Can historians give an honest account of human history while ignoring all subjectivity? Likewise, attempts to deny the existence of nature crash down into solipsism and radical skepticism, and only faith allows one to move on from this point. Clearly, reality must consist of a category that wraps around both, the Absolute.

Idealists will never have their day, except for the objective, Absolute idealists. However, it's simply misleading to call this "idealism," given how the term is generally applied. Idealism makes sense, but only the idealism of Plato and Hegel, not the sophistry of Berkely or Kant.

[Anonymous No.23057823]

>>23057812
>it's simply misleading to call this "idealism,"

>This ideality of the finite is the chief maxim of philosophy; and for that reason every genuine philosophy is idealism.
Actually read Hegel next time.

[Anonymous No.23057825]

>>23057823
>given how the term is generally applied
Most people mean subjective idealism when they say idealism. Hegel goes through pains to distance himself from this opinion. Try actually reading the post next time.

[Anonymous No.23057831]

>>23057825
>Most people
ngmi

>Philosophy is, by its very nature, something esoteric, neither made for the vulgar as it stands [für sich], nor capable of being got up to suit the vulgar taste

[Anonymous No.23058191]

>>23057682
What a terrible cover.

[Anonymous No.23058212]

>>23057761
>>23058191
Why you fleebles hating on the cover? I like it. Gives Willy Wonka vibes.

[Anonymous No.23058293]

>>23057682
>formscapes
watching him for the first time in 2xspeed. he seems like an absolute midwit honestly, he oversimplifies philosophical concepts and his call at the end is embarassing
>look at the world with other lenses, like bergson, goethe and whitehead (the first people on history who dunked on soience)
kek. drooling retard, just like that brownnoid mutt dave

[Anonymous No.23058296]

>>23057812
another one filtered by eliminative materialism, sad.

[Anonymous No.23058305]

>>23058293
He called time and space “categories” when talking about kant in one of his videos and since then I don’t feel like it’s worthwhile to watch his videos, even though I’m a fan of Whitehead, plus he has a lot of videos about morphic resonance and that signifies to me that he isn’t a serious thinker

[Anonymous No.23058330]

>>23058305
>that signifies to me that he isn’t a serious thinker
why?

[Anonymous No.23058407]

>>23057831
>Philosophy must NOT be EDIFYING

[Anonymous No.23058439]

>>23058330
There have been like two studies that slightly verify something like morphic resonance. To be so obsessed with it shows that your position on issues are not based on reason but on the kind of thing you want to believe. e.g. “God” in Whitehead is something invented not just because God is a nice thing to believe in but because of his explicit and thought out epistemological convictions about the purpose of speculative philosophy. On the other hand, when people feel the need to talk about morphic resonance it is usually just out of a desire to not be a materialist or to have some kind of positive doctrine to set up against materialism, because they have come to have negative associations with materialism in their minds. I am not saying morphic resonance is false or whatever, but given the amount of evidence for it I can safely say that this is the only reason someone might be so obsessed with it, in fact the reason Sheldrake invented it was basically because he didn’t like materialism, you can try to dispute that but that’s the way I see it. in the end it shows that he thinks like a normie who associates value judgements with things and post hoc rationalizes his dislike of things rather than developing his opinions only after long and deep thought.

[Anonymous No.23060095]

bump

[Anonymous No.23060375]

>>23057682
https://gwern.net/doc/politics/2007-thiel.pdf

https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/12/Matthew-12-24.html

Can science drive out science?

[Anonymous No.23060380]

>>23057682
>has an idea about reality
>doesn't admit to the existence of God
I'm all set. It's gonna be nonsense.

[Anonymous No.23060383]

>>23058439
I'm glad to see my vociferous campaign to turn morphic resonance into a meme across the boards has bore fruit. Eventually, it will spread across the wider web, and then maybe we can reclaim our souls.

[Anonymous No.23060390]

>>23060375
Language appears interpreted, not compiled, nothing restricts using multiple interpreters.

Furthermore, nothing prevents transpiling between interpreters

MMP presents a transpiler between science and sciencism, to the effect it destroys hegels dialect remains tp be tested

[Anonymous No.23060482]

>>23060390
One sees that nothingness and allness are not inverses but two sides of the same coin. Nothing has endless precision, despite having no size, infinity, to the contrary has no precision despite its unfathomable magnitude

The two are conjoined by the ouroboros operator, which creates the continuum, the place wjere objects reside

[Anonymous No.23060499]

>>23060482
Whoops old photo it ised to be called the illuminati operator in previous versions

Being than, comes from a fractal nesting of the infinite nothingness, the unity

[Anonymous No.23060512]

>>23060499
One sees than that there is no empty set, no infinite sets, only recursive sets of the infinite nothingness

[Anonymous No.23060575]

>>23060512
Some call it the Infinite nothingness. I prefer his proper title, God.

[Anonymous No.23060582]

>>23060482
>>23060499
>>23060512
>>23060575
wut?

[Anonymous No.23060585]

>>23060575

[Anonymous No.23060594]

>>23057823
>ideality of the finite is the chief maxim of philosophy
What a dimwit.

[Anonymous No.23060601]

>>23060594
>t. mental midget

[Anonymous No.23060609]

>>23060582

[Anonymous No.23060616]

>>23060609
wut?

[Anonymous No.23060655]

>>23060616
Thesis-antithesis-synthesis isnt the full story

Let us each present thesis-antithesis pairs, compose from them a comtinuum through the ouroboros operator, and find self similarity through fractal nesting (as above so below) to eluclidate being

[Anonymous No.23060665]

>>23060655
?

[Anonymous No.23060675]

>>23060582
>>23060616
Precisely.
God is the Infinite. Define it.
Go ahead, try.

[Anonymous No.23060683]

>>23060665
>>23060665
Theil-the straussian moment
>The Hegelian Alexandre Kojéve believed that the end of history would be
marked by the definitive abandonment of all the hard questions. Humanity
itself would disappear, but there would no longer be any conflict:
If Man becomes an animal again, his acts, his loves, and his play must also
become purely “natural” again. Hence it would have to be admitted that after
the end of History, men would construct their edifices and works of art as
birds build their nests and spiders spin their webs. . . . “The definitive annihilation
of Man properly so-called” also means the definitive disappearance of
human Discourse (Logos) in the strict sense. Animals of the species Homo
sapiens would react by conditioned reflexes to vocal signals or sign “language,”
and thus their so-called “discourses” would be like what is supposed to be
the “language” of bees. What would disappear, then, is not only Philosophy
or the search for discursive Wisdom, but also that Wisdom itself.
Schmitt echoes these sentiments, albeit with rather different conclusions. In
such a unified world, “what remains is neither politics nor state, but culture,
civilization, economics, morality, law, art, entertainment, etc.”** The world of
“entertainment” represents the culmination of the shift away from politics.
A representation of reality might appear to replace reality: instead of violent
wars, there could be violent video games; instead of heroic feats, there could
be thrilling amusement park rides; instead of serious thought, there could be
“intrigues of all sorts,” as in a soap opera. It is a world where people spend
their lives amusing themselves to death.

[Anonymous No.23060689]

>>23060675
Define what?

[Anonymous No.23060696]

>>23060601
Finite objects always come up short from ideal(ity). Plato argued that.

[Anonymous No.23060763]

>>23060665
>>23060683
>>23060375
Can science-ism end science? It would seem to me not the case. Even through the modernists orwellian linguistic cipher the drive for discernment cannot be encypted into newspeak. If the hegelian alexandre kojeve is to be attested, one would expect so, but still it remains defiant, perhaps the logos cannot be detached from the word, or perhaps God pulled a nist elliptic curve back door stunt and preseeded His own constants.

MMP transpiles across the thesis-antithesis-synthesis

[Anonymous No.23060892]

>>23057682
To be fair this professor Dave guy looks so much dumber than his critic that I am feeling sorry for him.
The formscapes guy is clearly 130~140 IQ polymath, while Dave is your average midwit redditor.

[Anonymous No.23061069]

>>23060383
I knew about morphic resonance a long time before

[Anonymous No.23061076]

>>23061069
Good
>>23060689
Exactly. Define what.

[Anonymous No.23061098]

>>23060892
>130-140iq
judging from the video formscapes is also a redditor just a former one who believes is "enlightened" because he read fucking ANALYTIC philosophy, which expanded his horizon way further than natural science would, and now larps as a mystic and metaphysician while having never read plato

[Anonymous No.23061111]

>>23060665
Basically what he's telling you in less convoluted language is that your brain is wired (or perhaps, programmed by our culture) so as to think in terms of opposing ideas and synthesize them (thesis-antithesis-synthesis), and if you reflect you'll see that this really is true, it's every second of your life, you're making a million different decisions of varying conscious levels of calculation, much of it is semi conscious, but those quick thoughts you have every second;
>should I move my arm?
>if I do it will put my back in a weird position
>I will rest my arm on the armrest and adjust my back
That is a thesis antithesis synthesis formation of extreme simplicity and irl were you to think it, it'd probably be a flash of almost under a second and then you'd adjust your body. It barely seems conscious
Now extrapolate to your more conscious thoughts, nearly every thing you think is really just you mulling over two perspectives and generally trying to reconcile them, you either will or you abandon it and get lost in another formation, perhaps you get a rest when you veg out on vidya or a book some form of attention grabbing distraction

This is called anxiety and has nothing to do with reality, we do this to reality, to some extent we as humans need to do this to reality, but in reality, there's no opposing ideas, all exists in perfect unity because reality doesn't calculate itself, we calculate it, reality goes with the "flow,"
If all things are really not differentiated or opposed and it is us who imposes this framework it means everything is actually everything else combined with itself which means the total reality is nothing because everything is nothing, all concepts represented at once is nothing aka infinity aka God.

[Anonymous No.23061208]

>>23061111
Checked

All and none are two sides of the same coin, and the minter of that coin is your calculator. Introspection is formed by looping that coin back in on itself so that the lessor mirrors the greater and vice versa, that is hegels "being"

[Anonymous No.23061245]

>>23061208
This is relevant to science vs sciencism because hegel roots i the modernist political philosophy that we shoulnt think of the question of human nature too deeply, that entertainments superscede politics- the end of history

The youtube in ops thread highlighted the issue with science ending science- substituting it with science entertainment and permeating it with sensibilitites that avoid the hard questions of human nature in the cosmos.

But it doesnt seem to be able to do it, its like humans, if left to return to nature, will return to philosophy, not the hedonistic peace dreamt of by the hegelians

MMP is a cipher a child can pick up and decrypt sciencism, without brute force methods

[Anonymous No.23061248]

>>23061208
I think that the merging of East and west would make for the optimal human condition because if the anxiety ridden western calculatory mind was tempered and combined with the Eastern ascetic mind, in philosophical and mystic terms at least, you would truly have a great world. The ascetics to obsessed with Nothing, the philosophers get too obsessed with Everything, but everyone seems to forget about the fact that we can create Anything. Oh and that God's love is as eternal as his hate, whichever we so choose.

[Anonymous No.23061489]

>>23061245
I believe so very deeply in God because every idea that tries to posit a better way seems to fail. The end of history, utopia, etc
The thing with philosophy is its good as long as it works towards harmony with God. What I consider to be harmony with God is actually rather the opposite from something like the Hegelian end of history amusement park ride. Harmony with God is acceptance of the universal nothingness of life without falling victim to it, this is done via integration. What this means is that the eternal truths must be perpetually lost and regained so that change can occur because if we lived under constant obedience to the law aka total perfection aka utopia we would cease to exist, therefore that wouldn't actually be utopia at all, the true utopia is this experience of life where we face the and flows and hardships, existential dramas and crises and collapses in meaning so that people can heroically bring it back, decadence cycles in culture always happen right when the culture begins to believe it has achieved static utopia because of this exact phenomenon; harmony with God is acceptance of this process joyfully, rather than fear of it or resentment of it; to take being unserious extremely seriously, is the root of it, harmony with God essentially means to love life and at times where people have begun to broach non existence pull them out of it with a 777777mg syringe of meaning and True Love straight to the motherfuckin dome

[Anonymous No.23063110]

>>23061489
I dont like it, not one bit

[Anonymous No.23063548]

>>23060575
Ah yes, the Master-Signifier.
Read Zizek, anons.

[Anonymous No.23063778]

>>23057812
Berkeley was a massive influence on both Schopenhauer and Hegel, for such an idiotic concept it influenced some pretty important thinkers