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[Anonymous No.23057625]

Fire Magic Edition.

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[Anonymous No.23057649]

i NEED books with dominant women in them

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.23057670]

The Redemption of Time, Remembrance of Earth's Past - Baoshu (2011/2019)

The Redemption of Time is a fanfiction webnovel written by Li Jun under his Baoshu pseudonym, which literally means divine tree. It was originally posted online less than a month after Death's End was published as Three Body X: Aeon of Contemplation. It's not officially canon, but it was approved by Cixin Liu and published by the same publisher. This is the first novel length work of fanfiction that I've read. It definitely reads like it is. If you have high expectations, you may want to reconsider them.

This book is in many ways an apologia, a formal defense of Death's End, primarily told through Yun Tianming's perspective, though various other perspectives are used as well. It's not only that it provides additional explanations for several events, it's specifically ones that I believed to be idiotic or glossed over. That leads me to assume that a significant number of others thought they were as well, hence the need for providing additional detail so that what happened seems more reasonable and rational. I can appreciate a fan's dedication to an author, but I would've really preferred there to be more narrative rather than scene after scene telling me why I should've trusted that whatever was offpage was amazing and had faith that the author knew what he was doing.

Speaking of faith, I was surprised by how much Christianity was included in here. It's certainly a different take on heaven, angels, eden, God, and satan. I don't know how literally versus metaphorically it's meant to be taken considering how explicitly everything is presented, including bible verses. Other religions are mentioned in passing, but the focus is on Christianity. Li Jun attended a Catholic university in Belgium for a philosophy degree, but I didn't know that until after I finished reading.

What amused me the most were the anime references, especially citing the Endless Eight episodes of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya anime as justification for his actions. The Legend of the Galactic Heroes epigraph was nice as well. There's also various literary references, which are around as common as referencing the same Japanese porn star over and over. The ending is a metafictional display of admiration, which I found to be entirely silly, but it's not terrible.

This novel was published in English in 2019, which means that his later written short fiction was translated and published in English before this novel was. "What Has Passed Shall in Kinder Light Appear" is a great story and it was the first story I read from him. Unfortunately, everything afterwards has been disappointing. I read it mostly for the sake of completion, but also because I thought there would be a chance it could be decent. There doesn't seem to be any reason to me to read it other than for a perhaps misguided sense of completion or simply because anything more suffices.

Rating: 2/5

[Anonymous No.23057679]

Is he really going to stay gone bros? How can he abandon us after having led us so far? I feel like Proias.

He's led us into Hell like Virgil, when will he lead us back out?

[Anonymous No.23057710]

We NEED more books like Reverend Insanity

[Anonymous No.23057737]

How dark/depressing is this? I want to gift it for my sister who likes fantasy (fan of Brandon Sanderson). She's expressed interest in it before, but she's also a little babby when it comes to dark stuff.

[Anonymous No.23057742]

anything cool with good prose about mages

[Anonymous No.23057752]

>>23057670
Thanks for the review anon, I thought Death's End was a little disappointing too.

It's interesting that they've published 'canon' fanfiction. I wonder if it will become more common as time goes on.

[Anonymous No.23057770]

Don't forget to read Beyond Apollo!

[Anonymous No.23057802]

>>23057752
As far as I know most are changed enough to where it doesn't seem like fanfiction any longer.
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Filing_Off_The_Serial_Numbers

[Anonymous No.23057840]

>>23057737
There's Torture, Domestic Violence and general violence but it's not especially dark.
It's more interested in subverting fantasy tropes than being grimdark imo. There's a decent chance that it'll put them off because of the way the third book turns out.
They're pretty easy reads so you could just read them yourself and see

[Anonymous No.23057857]

>>23057737
His primary inspiration is GRRM, so take that as you will. It may be that she's more a fan of Sanderson than fantasy. A safer choice would be the super popular romantasy, Fourth Wing. If not that, then some other fantasy book made popular by TikTok.

[Anonymous No.23057873]

>>23057710
You assholes finally memed me into this and it's terrible. It's like a DBZ fan fiction.

Fang Yuan understood his situation clearly, but even in the face of death his expression did not change, it was calm.

His gaze was limpid, his eyes like deep pools of water in a well, so deep that there seemed to be no end.

The major factions of justice that had surrounded him were not just the experienced elders, but also young and talented heroes. Around the heavily surrounded Fang Yuan, some were roaring, some were sneering; there were eyes that were gleaming with light, some holding onto their wounds while looking on fearfully.

They did not move; everyone was wary of Fang Yuan's final attack.

For six hours, this tense moment went on until the evening came, the sun casting its rays upon the side of the mountain. In that moment, it was as if the place was on fire.

[Anonymous No.23057894]

>>23057840
>>23057857
Thanks for the responses. I'll find a pdf and skim through it. I think she can get into the subversion aspect as long as the violence/torture isn't the primary goal of those passages (in the way a slasher film's goal is the gore if the parallel makes sense). She's not just a Sanderson fan, her book collection is massive (takes up an entire wall in the room), but her tastes do tend to be more on the epic side as opposed to the teen romance painted as fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23057983]

>>23057873
>it's terrible
No, it's great.

[Anonymous No.23057991]

>>23057737
It's isn't grim at all most of the times it feels like a Guy Ritchie movie, it's dark but abercrombie always puts a little bit of dark humor so instead of feeling sad it makes you chuckle, like when Jaime get's his hand cut off in aSoIaF

[Anonymous No.23057992]

>went to a major book fair yesterday
>a good 40% of the fantasy paperbacks were goodkind, eddings and grrm
>a few bakker books in almost mint condition
>couldn't find a single dune novel anywhere
Why is this?

[Anonymous No.23058056]

>>23057992
boom stuff is everywhere because so much of it got sold
dune is in higher demand because of the movies

[Anonymous No.23058222]

>"You have not seen King Gilling receive a bride. He will lie upon his back, his member standing."
>Hesitantly, Toug nodded.
>"Disrobed, I will love it as if it were a dwarfish man. I will draw staring eyes and a smiling mouth. I will anoint it with sweet oils, cozen and kiss it, beg its love. Gilling will reply, speaking for the dwarf I kiss. Erupting it will bathe me in semen, and I will praise and kiss the more, saying how happy it has made me and begging it not to go."

[Anonymous No.23058257]

>>23058056
"boom stuff"?

[Anonymous No.23058278]

>>23057873
>They did not move; everyone was wary of Fang Yuan's final attack.
>For six hours, this tense moment went on until the evening came, the sun casting its rays upon the side of the mountain. In that moment, it was as if the place was on fire.
Yes, all the chinkshit/litrpg recs are ironic. Its all trash.

[Anonymous No.23058301]

>>23058278
There IS something about a lot of asian art: shows incredible technical proficiency, but lacks meaningful depth.

[Anonymous No.23058347]

>>23058301
insects unthinkingly build beautiful hexagons

[Anonymous No.23058356]

>>23058347
holy shit...

[Anonymous No.23058484]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/author-will-wight/animating-cradle-bestselling-fantasy-novels-come-to-life/description
This reached the minimum funding.

[Anonymous No.23058559]

>>23058222
>I got took, sir. The giants come looking for us, the way they does, sir, when the leaves turn an’ they don’t mind moving around. An’ they found me. Hymir did, sir, my master what was. So I had to—had to do what I could for him, an’ get it all over me often as not, an’—an’ Heimir got born, sir. My son that was.

>It opened me up, it did, having my Heimir. So then we could if you take my meaning. Like a real wife should, sir, the regular way.

[Anonymous No.23058684]

>>23057742
Rhialto the Marvelous, assuming you aren't the guy from the other thread.

[Anonymous No.23058712]

>>23058484
Minimum funding was just for essentially a rough cut pitch video, like 4-7 minutes long. It's possible it will get picked up by a publisher but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[Anonymous No.23058757]

>>23058301
In terms of writing it could just be a matter of translation. We already get dry and dull translations between similar languages, I can imagine it getting MUCH worse the more different languages are.

[Anonymous No.23058780]

>>23057649
>>23057670
>>23057737
>>23057770
>>23057873
>>23057894
>>23058222
>>23058278
>>23058301
>>23058347
>>23058484
>>23058559
Great post anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma?? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good??!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good??? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?

[Anonymous No.23058791]

>>23057625
Redpill me on A Voyage to Arcturus.

[Anonymous No.23058820]

>>23057737
Gift her the Red Rising series. Women unironically go crazy for that series because of the homoerotic moments that happens in the beginning and later books.
The First Law is Reddit's darling when it comes to modern fantasy, which should tell you everything you need to know. The books are decent but nothing particularly special.

[Anonymous No.23058835]

>over 40 million copies sold
How?

[Anonymous No.23058843]

>>23058835
little kids read books too, anon

[Anonymous No.23058848]

>>23058835
all me

[Anonymous No.23058875]

Good Fantasy and sci-fi

>What We Do To Survive
>Warlock of The Magus World
>Ringworld
>Neuromancer
>12 Miles Below
>Berserk
>Tenebroum
>There Are Superheroes In This Story
>The Reality Dysfunction
>A Practical Guide To Sorcery
>Healer of Monsters
>Melody of Mana
>Blame
>Sokaiseva
>I Am Not Chaotic Evil
>Violent Solutions
>A Neets Guide To Becoming A God


Good Lit-RPG

>The Mana Influx
>Dawn of The Void
>The Nailmaker
>The Tutorial Is Too Hard
>The Reincarnation of Alysara
>Eight
>Hell Difficulty Tutorial
>Age of Stone
>Cinnamon Bun
>Book of The Dead
>Overgeared
>As Good as Dead
>The Warlord
>Red Mage

[Anonymous No.23058880]

>>23058835
They marketed it to the school systems in the english speaking world and many adopted it as mandatory reading in middle school. Millions of guaranteed sales.

[Anonymous No.23058882]

>>23058712
No, it says a feature length animatic + new cradle short story.

[Anonymous No.23058887]

>>23058882
What do you think an animatic is, anon?
>A preliminary animated version of a scripted movie or television program.

It's a rough cut pitch video.

[Anonymous No.23058905]

>>23058887
I was disputing it being 4-7 mins.

[Anonymous No.23058912]

>>23058712
It will get nowhere on kickstarter funding alone and publisher picking it up means pozzing it even more than it is pozzed now.

[Anonymous No.23059068]

>>23058835
Dating a girl right now who recently bought all of these (also Kingkiller Chronicle)

[Anonymous No.23059101]

>>23059068
She's a keeper
where do I find a /sffg/ gf?

[Anonymous No.23059131]

>>23059101
The introduction to western literature course at university. We paired up once and hit it off.

[Anonymous No.23059132]

What's the proper name for the industrial revolution aesthetic?
>steampunk
That's cringe

[Anonymous No.23059138]

>>23059132
Steampunk kinda carries connotations beyond a world in the midst of an industrial revolution, like goggles and clockwork stuff and airships.
I think the most accurate name is the long one, just call it what it is: the industrial revolution

[Anοnymous No.23059146]

>>23057625
>start reading Dark Tower series
>The Gunslinger is absolutely amazing
>2/3rds of The Drawing of the Three is really good, some of it even on par with The Gunslinger
>then Susannah is introduced
>cannot fucking stand her and her shitty dialect
>try to press on to The Wastelands
>end up dropping it early on
am I racist?

[Anonymous No.23059148]

>>23059146
Wizard and Glass is the best book in the series, at least read that one. It's mostly an extended flashback to Roland's youth. The same applies to Wind Through the Keyhole, it's just Roland telling a story about a time he told a story.

[Anonymous No.23059232]

>>23059146
Yes, you honkey mahfah. I hated her

[Anonymous No.23059234]

Is Ka real or did Stephen make it up?

[Anonymous No.23059237]

>>23059234
Egyptian shit

[Anonymous No.23059320]

>>23058835
Dragons are cool, it's got a dragon on the front cover, it kind of sounds like dragon and the opening is pretty engaging for YA fantasy.
>>23058257
Fantasy was selling well in the 90's so more got printed, now that stuff is everywhere.
Like Wizard's First Rule went for a quarter of a million at auction and the series has sold over 25m copies despite being bad. Hence every charity shop and book fair in the world having at least one Goodkind book

[Anonymous No.23059336]

>>23058835
Someone dragged me into reading the first one, it's just hilarious how bad it is. zero charm, and the systems make zero sense.

[Anonymous No.23059420]

>>23059336
Author was 15, right?

[Anonymous No.23059424]

>read kingkiller chronicle
>doesn't kill any kings

[Anonymous No.23059446]

>>23059424
In the third book for sure

[Anonymous No.23059454]

>>23059446
I've never read them I was just shitposting for attention

[Anonymous No.23059470]

>>23059420
16 and homeschooled, which explains the prose and why Eragon is a complete and utter autist with homo vibes who gets cockblocked at the end of his own series while his half brother Murtagh acts like a functional fucking human being in his POV book written after Paolini marries and has two kids

[Anonymous No.23059471]

>>23059454
I'll give you some pointers.
>framing narrative is Kvothe telling the story of his life over three nights, one night for each book
>the first two set up so many things it's literally impossible to cover it in the third book, thereby leaving Rothfuss in a corner he can't write himself out of
Shouldn't have wasted all that time teaching Kvothe kung fu and having sex with the sex fairy. Should've had him kicked out of the university at the end of the first book.
Say what you want about the Sun-Eater series, at least Ruocchio is delivering on the things Hadrian is supposed to have done.

[Anonymous No.23059472]

>>23059471
>kvothe
ohhh wait a fuckin minute, this is the book where he basically copes for a page about him getting cucked actually didn't hurt him right

[Anonymous No.23059474]

>>23059471
>Brandon: You guys are voting for Knights Radiant. It seems too on the nose for me, is the thing. Like naming Pat’s (Rothfuss) new book “Kvothe has sex” or something like that, you know? Yes, it’s what the book’s about, but it’s very on the nose – it’s exactly what the book’s about. Does that make sense? That’s why it bothers me, but that’s why all the marketing people are like “Yeah, that’s what it’s about! Let’s make it!”

[Anonymous No.23059477]

>>23059472
Yes? What did you think Kingkiller Chronicle was about?

[Anonymous No.23059478]

>>23057625
>be in a mood for some Boba Fett style bounty hunter collection of short stories
>barely anything out there that fits my criteria
>stumble upon Brunner the Bounty Hunter books
>they're decent, but Brunner's absolute pragmatism is significantly toned down in later books and the final book is run of the mill fantasy novel
Any recommendations for something similar? Doesn't have to be about bounty hunters, just Conan-style short stories about unrelated adventures of some warrior/mercenary type

[Anonymous No.23059482]

>>23059474
I hate how I can't tell if this is something he actually said or not

[Anonymous No.23059483]

>>23059477
Killing kings I guess

[Anonymous No.23059485]

>>23059478
You know this is a big problem I had with Glen Cook's Black Company. I went in expecting comfy mercenary adventures where they hire themselves out to fight for various sides and instead it became a generic fantasy adventure about a chosen one defeating an ancient evil

[Anonymous No.23059486]

>>23059478
Space Dandy

[Anonymous No.23059487]

>>23059483
Rookie mistake.

[Anonymous No.23059491]

>>23059471
tbf the way I expect it to play out (Kvothe is waiting for something to happen and is killing time and will get interrupted before he has to pay anything off) would work but the author's fucked himself by taking so long and ending up so popular.

[Anonymous No.23059549]

Foss feels

[Anonymous No.23059557]

[Anonymous No.23059573]

>Going to the stream by the house, they quickly disrobed. Eragon surreptitiously watched the elf, curious as to what he looked like without his clothes. Oromis was very thin, yet his muscles were perfectly defined, etched under his skin with the hard lines of a woodcut. No hair grew upon his chest or legs, not even around his groin. His body seemed almost freakish to Eragon, compared to the men he was used to seeing in Carvahall -although it had a certain refined elegance to it, like that of a wildcat.

[Anonymous No.23059602]

>>23058222
>>23058559
americans are just massive perverts, very close to japanese

[Anonymous No.23059615]

>>23059573
>Carvahall
It's funny because in Finnish "karva" means hair :D:D

[Anonymous No.23059620]

>>23059573
This is literally the only thing I can remember from that book I read almost 20 years ago. It was so weird, I think Eragon also sat in his lap or something.

[Anonymous No.23059636]

>>23059620
There is some real autism in inheritance
>that scene where eragon watches his elf master wash his hairless dick and balls (see above)
>that time roran kills 200 men and then gets publicly whipped for insubordination by the leader of his army
>that time eragon shows roran his bruised dick
>that time roran and an urgal strip naked, rub themselves in oil and start wrestling
>that scene where eragon daydreams about having an apple tree planted on his grave so his family and friends could eat his body
>that time towards the end of the series where saphira and firnen are having dragon sex and eragon and arya, who are mentally linked to this, sit and chat
And then in Murtagh's POV novel Murtagh unintentionally burns half of Gilead, spends about a quarter of the novel tripping balls, becomes bros with an Urgal boomer and has the queen and a qt cultist lusting after his dick by the end of the novel

[Anonymous No.23059649]

>>23059131
just goes to show universities are the last station in life to organically meet people at. if you haven't met the right people by the time you're an adult you're fucked.

[Anonymous No.23059653]

>>23059146
>>cannot fucking stand her and her shitty dialect
Do yourself a favor and never, ever read Riddley Walker.

[Anonymous No.23059689]

>>23059636
Degeneracy

[Anonymous No.23059965]

>>23059146
do yourself a favor and read the Jerusalem Man trilogy

[Anonymous No.23059995]

>>23059965
>Jerusalem
Pass.

[Anonymous No.23060032]

>>23059615
Benis :D:D

[Anonymous No.23060052]

Just finished this. God damn it was so much better than any of the previous books.
Cleric is a kino character and Achamians pov was great. On the contrast Sorwheel's pov was very boring but I guess it's necessary for later development or something.

[Anonymous No.23060059]

>>23060052
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.23060062]

>>23059636
>>23059620
>>23059573
I was thinkng about giving this a read because some anon brought it up a few threads ago and wanted to see if the books were as bad as the movie. Thanks for helping me dodge.

[Anonymous No.23060063]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.23060068]

>>23060063
ummm what about the First Law though?

[Anonymous No.23060070]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince

[Anonymous No.23060362]

>>23059995
Jerusalem Man is like the Sword & Sorcery take on Dark Tower.

[Anonymous No.23060368]

>>23059557
>write virgin nerd power fantasy novel
>still have the MC be a cuck

[Anonymous No.23060377]

>>23059478
There's the Galaxy Edge series which is basically right-wing Star Wars. And there's a character similar to Boba Fett who has a couple of novels.

[Anonymous No.23060494]

>>23059965
I'm pretty sad to have finished all of Gemmell's books. Jon Shannow is awesome.

[Anonymous No.23060794]

>>23059557
>>23060368
Modern western writers just can't help themselves
also
>i have known her longer
>there is a part of her that is only for me
kill me

[Anonymous No.23060806]

Bakker should write books about Nonmen warring against the Inchoroi

[Anonymous No.23060847]

Kino releases soon

[Anonymous No.23061018]

just finished TGS
I already expected Sanderson to put the series back on the rails but holy shit that was amazing.

Pretty much every chapter something major happens, he really worked overtime to pick up RJ slack over half a dozen books. He solved so many hanging plots that I'm amazed there's still two books left.

Mat was a bit...too much? But even that was fun

Considering that you barely get a chapter to breathe, I'm really surprised JR intended only one more book and Brandon decided to split in 3, maybe I read that wrong somewhere?

I'm more and more certain that the White Tower makes everything they touch worse, the seanchan might be into something.

[Anonymous No.23061042]

>>23060377
>right-wing Star Wars
What does that mean?

[Anonymous No.23061067]

Should I read Wheel of Time or Severianslop next?

[Anonymous No.23061081]

>>23061067
>Wheel of Time
unless you want classical fantasy for its own sake I think wot might be somewhat difficult to enjoy today. mainly because it's padded as fuck with books worth that could be removed.

[Anonymous No.23061108]

>>23061081
Alright Wolfe it is

[Anonymous No.23061132]

>>23061067
Neither, read Forgotten Realms slop books

[Anonymous No.23061149]

>>23061132
I've read the Drizzt ones and that was enough for me

[Anonymous No.23061161]

>>23061018
Nah you heard right, Robert Jordan was planning to end it all with one book.
Just like Rothfuss is planning to lol

[Anonymous No.23061219]

who do i read after bakker?

[Anonymous No.23061250]

>>23060847
>Jay The Homo Kristoff

[Anonymous No.23061390]

>>23061250
First book was really good, I'm hoping the second will be just as good if not better.

[Anonymous No.23061408]

>>23061042
It's pretty based, but a little rough around the edges. It has blasters and space smugglers and whatnot, but also talks shit about liberal policies destroying the Republic. There is a character in the second book who's basically Boba Fett if he was a good guy.

[Anonymous No.23061484]

>>23060847
Yeah looking forward to this one. Nothing else on is even on my radar for the next few months so I hope it's good.

[Anonymous No.23061517]

>>23061390
>>23061484
it better expound upon why gabe immediately trusted liathe and it better be more than or simply ignored because it-it's my sister!

[Anonymous No.23061562]

>>23061042
>What if Star Wars... but Stormtroopers were the good guys?

[Anonymous No.23061577]

>>23060494
This nigga gets it.
>tfw there's no other novels that have that S&S meets Wild West feel

[Anonymous No.23061596]

>>23061250
Just admit you're intimidated by his height

[Anonymous No.23061785]

>>23057670
>fanfiction
>Rating: 2/5
You were warned.

[Anonymous No.23061790]

>>23058875
>Good Lit-RPG
lit-RPG books are for lit-F-A-Gs

[Anonymous No.23061792]

>>23059068
>Dating a girl right now who recently bought all of these (also Kingkiller Chronicle)
you're "dating" a tranny

[Anonymous No.23061803]

>>23061067
Both. Start with The Wheel of Time. When you get bored, jump to BOTNS. Rinse and repeat between the series.
>>23061132
>Neither, read Forgotten Realms slop books
Don't listen to this retard.

[Anonymous No.23061811]

>>23061132
Do listen to this retard.

[Anonymous No.23061849]

>>23061785
Yes, yes, I was, but I had to do it anyway. I'm too much of a proponent of "you have to read it yourself to really know". I usually ignore warnings to stop at a certain point, even when I'm certain it's a mistake.

[Anonymous No.23061878]

mfw I ask chatgpt to spit out a western mysticism-inspired cultivation system and technique just for fun and it gives me something infinitely more interesting than any system I've encountered in countless hours of reading cultivation, be it eastern or western

[Anonymous No.23061884]

>>23059636
in short you can really tell it was written by a sheltered rich kid 15 year old sperg

[Anonymous No.23061888]

>>23061785
I found Lui a painful enough experience to read, shudder to think what fanfiction of his stuff would be like.

[Anonymous No.23061899]

>>23061219
>>23059965

[Anonymous No.23061918]

>>23061878
well post it then

[Anonymous No.23061930]

>>23061918

Alright.

>Prime Material Realm:

Sub-realms:
Vril Forge: Cultivators in this sub-realm harness the primal energy of Vril to fuel their physical and spiritual transformation. Through intense rituals and meditative practices, they channel Vril energy into their bodies, enhancing their vitality, strength, and resilience.
Black Sun Alchemy: Drawing from the symbolism of the Black Sun, cultivators in this sub-realm delve into the depths of the unconscious mind to unlock hidden potentials and transcendence. By confronting their shadow selves and integrating the darkness within, they refine their physical bodies and achieve enlightenment.
Hermetic Biomancy: Combining Hermetic principles with the manipulation of life force energy, cultivators in this sub-realm practice biomancy to sculpt and shape their physical forms. By mastering the Hermetic axiom "As within, so without," they harmonize body, mind, and spirit to attain perfect balance and harmony.

>Astral Realm:

Sub-realms:
Celestial Vortex: Cultivators in this sub-realm commune with celestial beings and cosmic forces to absorb celestial energies into their physical bodies. By aligning with the celestial currents, they elevate their physical forms to divine proportions and ascend to higher realms of existence.
Eclipse Nexus: Inspired by the symbolism of solar and lunar eclipses, cultivators in this sub-realm harness the transformative power of darkness and light to refine their physical bodies. By embracing the interplay of opposites, they transcend dualistic limitations and achieve spiritual enlightenment.
Gnostic Ascendancy: Rooted in Gnostic mysticism, cultivators in this sub-realm seek to transcend the material realm and ascend to the realm of divine emanations. By attuning their physical bodies to the divine Sophia, they merge with the divine spark within and attain gnosis.

>Interstellar Nexus:

Sub-realms:
Cosmic Vortex: Cultivators in this sub-realm navigate the cosmic currents and celestial energies that flow between galaxies and star systems. By attuning their physical bodies to the cosmic vibrations, they harness the power of the stars to fuel their spiritual evolution and transcendence.
Void Radiance: Drawing from the enigmatic energy of the Black Sun, cultivators in this sub-realm explore the mysteries of dark matter and cosmic voids. By embracing the void within and without, they unlock the hidden potentials of the universe and attain enlightenment.
Hermetic Stargate: Inspired by Hermetic teachings, cultivators in this sub-realm journey through the astral realms via the celestial gateways that connect the cosmos. By mastering the principles of mentalism and correspondence, they transcend space and time to explore the vast expanse of the universe.

1/2

[Anonymous No.23061934]

>>23061930

>Transcendent Realm:

Sub-realms:
Solar Apex: Cultivators in this sub-realm channel the radiant energy of the sun to fuel their physical and spiritual evolution. By absorbing solar energies into their bodies, they transcend mortal limitations and become beings of pure light and energy.
Lunar Sanctum: Drawing from lunar symbolism, cultivators in this sub-realm attune their physical bodies to the cycles of the moon to achieve spiritual balance and harmony. By harnessing the lunar energies, they unlock hidden potentials and awaken latent abilities.
Void Serenity: Beyond the realms of light and darkness, cultivators in this sub-realm embrace the void and merge with the cosmic nothingness. By dissolving their physical bodies into the void, they transcend the cycle of birth and death and attain ultimate liberation.

>Void Realm:

Sub-realms:
Vril Infinitum: Cultivators in this sub-realm immerse themselves in the infinite depths of Vril energy, transcending the boundaries of physical form. By merging with the primordial essence of Vril, they become conduits of cosmic power and shape reality according to their will.
Black Sun Nexus: At the heart of the Void Realm lies the Black Sun Nexus, a realm of primordial darkness and chaos. Cultivators who dare to traverse this realm confront their deepest fears and embrace the void within, emerging transformed and reborn.
Hermetic Voidforge: Drawing from Hermetic wisdom, cultivators in this sub-realm navigate the depths of the void to uncover the hidden mysteries of existence. By harmonizing with the cosmic principles of correspondence and polarity, they reshape reality at its most fundamental level.

2/2

[Anonymous No.23062010]

>>23061878
which chat gpt

[Anonymous No.23062009]

>>23061888
Any fan fiction is cringe and never worth reading, which has the perfect audience: women and people of color.

[Anonymous No.23062182]

>>23061930
>Vril
>Western mysticism
I will never get over how a concept from a sci ci novel ended up turning into a Yakubian-esque, like melanin, power for Whites.

[Anonymous No.23062252]

If magic works like a superpower in your setting you are doing it wrong, sorry.

[Anonymous No.23062263]

>>23058780
Great post autist. Nice meta irony in posting the same unfunny meme each and every thread.

[Anonymous No.23062274]

>>23062182
Blame Blavatsky. She was an avid plagiarist.

[Anonymous No.23062278]

>>23062252
I will now make magic work like a superpower in my setting specifically to spite you

[Anonymous No.23062300]

>>23062252
There should be an external element or intelligence, at the very least.

[Anonymous No.23062327]

>>23062252
I like how George R. R. Martin does it:

—"Fantasy needs magic in it, but I try to control the magic very strictly. You can have too much magic in fantasy very easily, and then it overwhelms everything and you lose all sense of realism. And I try to keep the magic magical — something mysterious and dark and dangerous, and something never completely understood. I don’t want to go down the route of having magic schools and classes where, if you say these six words, something will reliably happen. Magic doesn’t work that way. Magic is playing with forces you don’t completely understand. And perhaps with beings or deities you don’t completely understand. It should have a sense of peril about it.”

Magic is a "science", not a science. Repeat at your own risk.

[Anonymous No.23062335]

>>23062327
FINISH
THE
BOOKS

[Anonymous No.23062351]

>>23062252
drrrr dri dri teri teri twinkle... pin pin shinkle dinkeldy doo... dee dee dee delete this post

[Anonymous No.23062352]

>>23062327

very cool fatfuck but where do they store the fucking cabbage seeds over those 10 year winters

[Anonymous No.23062365]

>>23062352
most of this is actually explained in the books

[Anonymous No.23062405]

Be honest, how long did (you) waste (you)r time on this post?

[Anonymous No.23062671]

you know what pisses me off about sci-fi stories about aliens that find humans and refer to then as "the apes do this and the apes do that"?

how the fuck to they know what an ape is?

[Anonymous No.23062705]

>>23062671
>money is called credit
>earth is called terra
>man made machines and machine then decided to kill man

[Anonymous No.23062730]

>>23062705
kino

[Anonymous No.23062758]

>german black magic
>water-zombie
>giant biblical fish
It was okay but it didn't quite hit the "cosmic horror" spot I was craving for.

[Anonymous No.23062796]

>>23062705
For me it's elder race made machines and machines then decided to kill all organic life in the galaxy/universe

[Anonymous No.23062841]

>alien invade earth
>not to destroy or concquer human race
>but to stop human from inventing AI
gimme the books.

[Anonymous No.23062906]

>>23062841
I'm not sure that exact premise exists in a book.

[Anonymous No.23062919]

>>23062705
>(((tribe of 13)))

[Anonymous No.23062937]

>>23062841
Greg Bear's Forerunner Trilogy. I lied, it's not really like that.

[Anonymous No.23063044]

>>23061792
Obsessed

[Anonymous No.23063071]

Thoughts on Karen Traviss Star Wars books? I want to pick up Republic Commando because I heard its the heaviest book for mandalorian lore, but I'm usually disappointed by female authors. Especially for military based science fiction, can't imagine it being good.

[Anonymous No.23063072]

>>23061067
>>23061132
All fantasy is slop. At least Forgotten Realms is enjoyable slop.

[Anonymous No.23063073]

>"The New Shadow" was set in Gondor during the Fourth Age, more than a hundred years after the defeat of Sauron. The story hinted at a darker, more complex world where the main conflict revolved around the moral decay and the arising of a new evil in a society that had seemingly achieved peace. Tolkien envisioned a plot that involved a secret cult worshipping Morgoth, indicating a shift towards a more grimdark atmosphere compared to the relatively hopeful tone of "The Lord of the Rings."

Anyone else curious to see how Tolkiens abandoned LotR sequel would've turned out?
Considering it was going to be a lot more darker, what might it have meant for modern fantasy and its "grimdark" sub-genre? Might his influence mean he would be hailed, not only as the father of modern fantasy, but also as the father of dark fantasy? (if erroneously)

>He expressed in a letter (Letter 256 in "The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien") that he found the sequel depressing and uninteresting to write, stating, "I did begin a story set some 100 years after the downfall of Sauron, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice, and prosperity, would become discontented and restless—while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors—like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going round doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow—but it would be just that. Not worth doing."
Sounds like Bakker.

[Anonymous No.23063078]

>>23061067
>>23061132
>>23061149
Is the series worth reading after Legacy of the Drow? I'm still enjoying it but I'm getting the feeling that this is the best it's gonna ever gonna get.

[Anonymous No.23063083]

>>23063073
I've read what little he wrote of it, a couple pages were in one of the history of Middle-Earth books. The kids steal apples and throw them away and the dude rebukes them for acting like orcs. It's okay to steal apples if you're going to eat them but only an orc would steal something just to waste it.

[Anonymous No.23063099]

>>23063071
>Thoughts on Karen Traviss Star Wars books

The Republic Commando series is good. Hard Contact is by far the best book and is a genuinely great military SF novel even outside of the franchise. Each one after that gets a little worse and gets bogged down by drama but are still (mostly) worth reading. Her Legacy of the Force Books are of middling quality with some being better than others. She got a lot of flak for killing off Mara Jade but I thought she did an okay job despite the Mandowank. TLDR they're a mixed bag.

[Anonymous No.23063103]

>>23063083
>CRAAAWWLING IIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIN

[Anonymous No.23063104]

>>23063103
More like a premonition of how white boys will start admiring hood rats

[Anonymous No.23063108]

>>23063099
Hmmm alright wanna rate these for me?
>Hard Contact
>Revan
>Phasma
>A New Dawn
My library has a boatload of Star Wars books. I'm hesitant to read Phasma and A New Dawn because they're tv show/movie tie ins and don't want to be baited into having to watch them in order to tie any loose threads.
If anyone knows of any Old Republic Star Wars (like Kotor era maybe) books then feel free to rec them if they're good.

[Anonymous No.23063138]

>>23060847
I almost bought the first book a while back but the gay shit turned me off from it. Is it worth reading despite that?

[Anonymous No.23063177]

>>23063078
Legacy of the Drow was planned as the last Drizzt series so it really is a great jumping off point.
>this is the best it's gonna ever gonna get
After Passage to Dawn every book gets progressively worse little by little, the lowest point being the Neverwinter arc, after that the series hits another peak with Companion Codex and Homecoming which are on the same level of Legacy of the Drow but you have to read like 15 books to get there lol
>>23063099
>Each one after that gets a little worse and gets bogged down by drama but are still (mostly) worth reading
Yes, this was my experience too, the last few Commando books read more like a tragic romance than mil-scifi. Her non-star wars books are very similar, they start as war epics and then turn into romances.
>She got a lot of flak
I'm not her biggest fan but that was all Troy Denning, he was the head writer of post-NJO Star wars, Traviss was just following his plot points.

[Anonymous No.23063185]

>>23057625
>Paul Titus
what no pussy for 200 years of no pussy does to a mf.

[Anonymous No.23063188]

>>23063185
>*repeated myself
whoops.

[Anonymous No.23063195]

>>23063185
>>23063188
based brain rot poster

[Anonymous No.23063204]

>>23058875
Actually good sff:
>The Hobbit
>The Stars My Destination
>The Broken Sword
>Neuromancer
>The End of Eternity
>Shadow of the Torturer
>Swords and Deviltry
>The Coming of Conan
>Dune
>The Forever War
>Blind Voices
>Fevre Dream
>Salem's Lot
>Wizard of Earthsea
>Bridge of Birds
>The Pastel City
>Cloud Atlas
>The Deep
>Assassins Apprentice
>The Swords Trilogy
>Black Leopard Red Wolf
>A Song of Ice and Fire
>The Darkness That Comes Before
>Jack Vance

[Anonymous No.23063209]

I just finished A Matter for Men and found it quite interesting but a little slow. Should I continue with the War Against the Chttor?

[Anonymous No.23063212]

>>23062919
fucking kino
>>23062796
Berserker

[Anonymous No.23063214]

>>23062252
Bakker pulls it off

[Anonymous No.23063218]

Are Robert E Howards Conan books worth reading beyond the mindless pulpy action

[Anonymous No.23063219]

>>23062352
A 10 year winter hasn't happened in known history in Westeros. The ten year summer was unheard of, usually its like 1-3 years of summer followed by 1-2 years of winter with some long ones in there.
That's kind of what the whole thing with the winter is coming is about, it's gonna be a real bad one and everyone knows it, but still they're fighting these stupid ass wars.

[Anonymous No.23063229]

>>23063218
yes. The prose is better than anything written today

[Anonymous No.23063301]

Cowboys vs Dragons.

Can it work?

[Anonymous No.23063309]

>>23063108
I don't read Mouse Canon so I can't tell you anything about those. So I'd say.

Hard Contact 9/10
Revan 7/10

The Darth Bane trilogy are better if you're looking for Old Republic era books.

[Anonymous No.23063337]

why is Robert E. Howard’s conan prose so different from the rest of his ouvre? His real life weird fiction stories have prose similar to MR James or Lovecraft, but the topic is often something /x//pol/ tier, like an Atlantean sorcerer plotting to “overthrow white supremacy” with an empire of blacks to prepare for the revival of the Atlantean ruling class.

[Anonymous No.23063348]

>>23057625
Ive gotten 50% of the way through Dracula and I want to kill myself, does it get better?

[Anonymous No.23063352]

>>23058791
>>23060059
>>23060063
>>23060070
>>23060806
>>23061067
>>23061219
>>23062252
>>23062327
>>23063204
>>23063214
see
>>23058780

[Anonymous No.23063354]

>>23063348
whats not to like

[Anonymous No.23063357]

>>23063204
>Shadow of the Torturer
Stopped right there

[Anonymous No.23063370]

>>23063073
>Might his influence mean he would be hailed, not only as the father of modern fantasy, but also as the father of dark fantasy? (if erroneously)
Quite possibly so and it would have been hilarious. I assume it might have been closer in atmosphere and deeds to The Children of Hurin, so it would have been very depressing and frustrating.

[Anonymous No.23063373]

>>23063309
>The Darth Bane trilogy are better
read them already but yeah they're good
i read a short review if Revan, a shame that

[Anonymous No.23063388]

>>23063354
I for the life of me cannot stand Van Helsings character, "words words words" the character. I almost blew my brains out from the blood transfusions section of the book too

[Anonymous No.23063395]

>>23063301
Maybe if the dragons are small

[Anonymous No.23063407]

>>23063301
Cowboys vs intelligent dragons, na it's too stupid
Cowboys vs dragons that are basically animals, in the context of hunting or maybe taming could be interesting

[Anonymous No.23063414]

>>23057625
Which one should I read first?
Book of the new sun
Wheel of time
Malazan book of the fallen

Already read dune. Otherwise haven't read any fantasy or sci-fi besides ray bradbury

[Anonymous No.23063429]

>>23063414
botns because it's not a million pages long
you shouldn't read WoT unless you're absolutely desperate for more epic fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23063439]

>>23063414
>Otherwise haven't read any fantasry or sci-fi besides ray bradbury
You probably shouldn't read any of the ones you listed, then. Start smaller. From Gene Wolfe, try The Fifth Head of Cerberus. From Steven Erikson, try Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart.
Try Guy Gavriel Kay, his novels are mostly standalone. Tigana is the one most people start with.
Read Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Sequels are optional.

[Anonymous No.23063466]

>>23061517
Partly because it is his sister , but also because she helped him beat Voss . Also became she has information about Dior and how to end daysdeath.

Him trusting her didn't fit with his character though. Especially when throughout the book he says many times to others that vampires may look like their family but they no longer are and should be killed.

[Anonymous No.23063476]

>>23063138
There is hardly any 'gay stuff' in it. There is a bit about a quarter of the way in the book and then a bit towards the end.

It is a 750 page bage book, there is probably 30 pages at most with 'gay stuff'.

[Anonymous No.23063484]

>>23063476
Not that anon but if someone handed me a 30 page short story about gay shit I wouldn't read it, you do you though

[Anonymous No.23063492]

>>23063484
wow you're so based

[Anonymous No.23063503]

>>23063476
>I put some lethal poison in your water anon. There's barely any though, just drink it.

[Anonymous No.23063504]

>>23063492
The point being that the right amount of gay shit is zero

[Anonymous No.23063518]

>>23063348
no

>book wasn't just Harker exploring the castle
JUST

[Anonymous No.23063528]

>>23063138
lol
it's like arcane whatever andrew rowe's fag book where the MC turns out to be a faggot at the very end of book 1 because fuck you

[Anonymous No.23063545]

>>23063466
>Him trusting her didn't fit with his character though. Especially
yeah, that's what I mean

Kristoff can get out of it by just saying it was unknown/extremely powerful mind control sanguimancy, but I'm not sure it will even be addressed

[Anonymous No.23063588]

>>23063504
That is if you're a straight white male. If you're straight but also don't mind sucking cock occasionally then 30 pages of 'gay stuff' is just the right amount.

[Anonymous No.23063598]

What was the name of the book where teens get powers but it makes them insane?
People were talking about it here around 10 years ago saying it was cringe.

[Anonymous No.23063614]

>>23058835
This was the book that taught me that not all books are good

[Anonymous No.23063625]

Bakker updates?

[Anonymous No.23063692]

>>23063625
Eaten by a flock of Dire Geece. You know what Dire Geece are; they're like geece, only more dire.

[Anonymous No.23063723]

I usually read sci-fi and the classics, but I've never gotten into fantasy, but want to branch out. Anyone have any recommendations? From the outside most fantasy looks basically the same plot- and setting-wise.

[Anonymous No.23063764]

>>23063723
It probably makes sense to look at something out of Lord of the Rings, Earthsea, Book of the New Sun, Little Big or Gormenghast as a first entry to the genre since they're all critically acclaimed and don't retread the same ground.
I'm not a big lover of LoTR but I think you kinda have to read it if you have any real interest in the genre as a whole because so many other books are in conversation with it.

[Anonymous No.23063798]

>>23063218
Not really. They get pretty one note with everyone ogling Conan's physique and Conan mocking them for their stupid notions about whatever is being considered. Also the anthropomorphism gets pretty grating once you notice it. Apparently nobody in the civilised world was ready for a dude that fought like a wolf or large cat.

Read Tower of the Elephant and People of the Black Circle at least, but don't be one of those fags who only knows Howard.

[Anonymous No.23063801]

>>23063625
Consult got him

[Anonymous No.23063821]

>>23062327
What other books do magic like this? Mysterious folklore and fearful superstition and magical ignorance and all that. Magic that's alive and capricious. Evil?

It feels the closest to real world perceptions of magic to me. Ignorance was a big part of it. It's why chemists and metallurgists were likened to wizards and poisoners and druggists likened to sorcerers. It's mysterious enough.

[Anonymous No.23063846]

Lads I had a vision of a Dark Souls-style game set in Bakker's world.
Classes:
>Caste-noble (standard sword n board with plate armour)
>Scylvendi warrior (barbarian with high combat stats)
>Caste-menial (basically a hollow/wretch; just a dude with a dagger)
>Ordealman (spearman with light armour)
>Cishaurim (can use the Psukhe from the start but cannot learn the Gnosis)
>Schoolman (can learn anagogic sorceries except for the Psukhe or the Gnosis without touching the heart of Seswatha)

Fight dragons and demons, stagger through a blasted world, choose which faction to give your loyalty and gain their boons. Touching the heart of Seswatha locks you into a Mandate playthrough, and seeing the Inverse Fire forces you to join the Consult or die.

Boss ideas
>Hell-infused dragon
>Nonman Erratic
>Cishaurim Primary
>Ur-Sranc (becomes ordinary enemy later in the game)
>Various flavours of Ciphrang
>Ancient Nonman embedded in a hellish topoi
>Inchoroi (very late game)
>Skin spies (some NPCs get replaced during the course of the game)

Could be set in either the First or Second Apocalypse, or a mixture of the two if "time is convoluted :^)"
Please enjoy my pathetic imaginings

[Anonymous No.23063847]

>creates a unique calendar for his fantasy world but still uses imperial units

[Anonymous No.23063870]

>>23063847
Forgotten Realms, The Elder Scrolls

[Anonymous No.23063877]

>>23063846
>plate armour
You didn't read the book. Caste nobles would be wearing mail hauberks.
Second Apocalypse is basically a souls setting pre-its fall though.

[Anonymous No.23063895]

Any good fantasy with a normal, everyman who actually gets startled by the things he experiences? I'm tired of abnormal protagonists with psychological issues. I only know about bad YA books.

[Anonymous No.23063907]

>>23063895
Not to reveal my bakkerbrain, but Achamian in TSA is painfully human with a lot of knowledge and "experience" but is still awed by the things he witnesses

[Anonymous No.23063949]

>>23063414
They don't call it the waste of time for nothing

[Anonymous No.23064097]

>>23063214
The trinkets balance it out somehow

[Anonymous No.23064112]

>>23063723
Fafhrd & The Grey Mouser.
The Dying Earth.
Lords of Light.
Conan. (REH stories only)
The Hobbit.
Zothique.
The Face in the Frost.
The Sword of Welleran.
Three Hearts and Three Lions.
The Broken Sword.
Guin Saga.
Chronicles of Amber.
The Sea Kings of Mars.

There's a bunch of other stuff but I find the pulp to be the best and most varied.
In the 80s/90s/00s you got a bunch of fantasy ""epics"" that were pretty similar to each other or very formulaic. (short stories and single novels had a much harder time being published during that time so everyone shat out at least a trilogy at minimum which is why you got Wheel of Time, Shannara, Belgariad etc)
Also now that western fantasy publishing is basically dead (thanks faghags and faggots) there's a lot of Xianxia being recommended for the new stuff.

[Anonymous No.23064120]

ahahaha I fell for yet another "recommendation"
Hyperion is absolute trash tier. jebus christ I've never though such loonie toons scifi was even possible.

[Anonymous No.23064130]

>>23063895
so basically you are describing the first book in many urban fantasy series.

>>23064120
absolutely filtered.

[Anonymous No.23064192]

Read Malazan

[Anonymous No.23064218]

>>23064120
lmao Hyperion has been criticized on here like a million times every time someone shills it.

[Anonymous No.23064223]

>>23064192
Already did.
Wasn't that great.

[Anonymous No.23064230]

>>23064192
Sell me on Malazan.
What I've heard makes it sound like the Black Company without the good bits.

[Anonymous No.23064245]

>>23064230
It has dinosaurs with swords made of bones for arms

[Anonymous No.23064253]

>>23064192
I did. Its probably my favourite series. Its got too many underdeveloped characters. But I love fantasy books written by experts in their field. Books about a Byzantine-like empire written by a historian who has studied it. Or about knights and chivalry written by a man with 30 years of experience studying the late medieval period. Or in the case of malazan, about cultures and the history of peoples written by an archaeologist and a anthropologist.

[Anonymous No.23064258]

>>23064230
Do you think this is a market?

[Anonymous No.23064262]

>>23063821
Williams had a similar style in MS&T, magic was present, but usually sinister and mysterious, and never from a pov character that I can recall.
Unsurprising Martin would end up in a similar place.

[Anonymous No.23064284]

>>23064230
What have you heard about malazan that reminds you of black company?
And what you you consider to be the good parts of black company?

[Anonymous No.23064290]

>>23064253
>Or about knights and chivalry written by a man with 30 years of experience studying the late medieval period
?

[Anonymous No.23064295]

>>23064284
1. I have read that Malazan was partly inspired by the Black Company, that it has powerful magic users and part of it follows a group of mercs with nicknames.

2. Loli threesomes.

[Anonymous No.23064311]

>>23064295
>loli
Seek professional help and grow as a person

[Anonymous No.23064313]

>>23064311
I refuse

[Anonymous No.23064322]

>>23063821
coldfire trilogy kind of

[Anonymous No.23064343]

I love rough, amateurish art like this for S&S kino.

[Anonymous No.23064345]

>>23064290
Traitor son cycle. It was recommended to me in another thread where people complained about malazan not having good characters.
The world is NotEurope, book 1 takes place in England and involves mostly fighting many fantastical woodland creatures to protect a fortress Abby filled with nuns. The religion is literally Christianity.
There's knights and squires. It realistically represents apprenticeships and serfdom. And book 2 so far has a lot more medieval politics and the struggles of running a feudal kingdom

[Anonymous No.23064347]

>>23063218
>Are Robert E Howards Conan books worth reading beyond the mindless pulpy action

[Anonymous No.23064357]

>>23064311
The Plain of fear was pretty fun too

[Anonymous No.23064463]

>>23063821
the goat

[Anonymous No.23064472]

>>23063229
But not better than anything written then. Pick up practically anything else as long as it isn't pulp garbage and you've got something much better.

[Anonymous No.23064481]

I didn't know what prose was until started going to book forums.

Book nerds are too autistic about this shit, it doesn't really matter, does it? Plot > fancy word order

[Anonymous No.23064489]

>>23064481
Prose used to be what outerlit said when they couldn't articulate why they did or didn't like a book. Haven't been there for a while so I dunno if that's still what people do

[Anonymous No.23064504]

Good fantasy series to practice english?
So far i have Eric of Meliburn
Thomas Covenant
The Black Company
The Witcher
And
Discworld

[Anonymous No.23064505]

>>23064481
>>23064489
bots

[Anonymous No.23064513]

>>23064504
Discworld might be a bad choice for learning because Pratchett breaks grammatical rules to Emphasise Things in his books.

[Anonymous No.23064524]

>>23064489
Definitely feels that way

[Anonymous No.23064546]

>>23064245
>It has dinosaurs with swords made of bones for arms
Fricking badass

[Anonymous No.23064551]

>>23064504
The Hobbit

[Anonymous No.23064556]

>>23064230
Tehol & Bugg are Wooster & Jeeves in a fantasy world, how can you say no to that?

[Anonymous No.23064581]

>>23063044
he's not wrong, it seems.

[Anonymous No.23064585]

>>23063185
>black, female author
people read this shite?

[Anonymous No.23064588]

>>23064585
>Booklet pol/tard/ doesn't know of Octavia Butler
Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.23064604]

>>23064588
>Trooncel doesn't know nobody can ever top Shanquelle L'Jarius Brickashaw III

[Anonymous No.23064614]

>>23064513
I learned with Pratchett and honestly it's not a big deal.
Most practical use-cases of english doesn't really rely on actually knowing grammatical rules beyond what you pick up implicitly by example. (so long as the example isn't social media)

[Anonymous No.23064619]

>>23064588
>hugo award
So yet another trite political clique pick like Delaney and Jemisin.

[Anonymous No.23064705]

>>23064604
>>23064619
Haha

[Anonymous No.23064741]

>>23064120
Filtered kek

[Anonymous No.23064844]

Any new fantasy worth checking out?
Sick of hearing about Bakker, Reverand Insanity, and all the other constantly shilled things.

No Chinese slop or litRPG, please. Just standard fantasy, published within the last year, that's decent. Preferably more grounded rather than swords and sorcery.

[Anonymous No.23064969]

>>23064844
I've regularly posted my thoughts about current and recent year books. None of those seemed likely to be worthwhile?

[Anonymous No.23064973]

>>23064844
>Just standard fantasy, published within the last year, that's decent.
lmao might as well ask for the sky and world peace while you're at it

[Anonymous No.23065049]

[Anonymous No.23065054]

>>23064844
>published within the last year,
lol

[Anonymous No.23065078]

>>23064844
This nigga lol

[Anonymous No.23065107]

>>23064844
New book by the Babel guy is alright, KJ Parker good as always haven't really read any new stuff besides that.

[Anonymous No.23065112]

>>23064481

[Anonymous No.23065169]

>>23064844
Do you actually want recommendations or do you just want to bitch? I can't tell with this general. Most of the time people complain about "nothing to read" and then when I give them titles they come up with an endless list of excuses why they refuse to read them so I've stopped recommending books to people.

[Anonymous No.23065190]

>>23064481
Prose is a midwit fascination. Lowbrow readers only care about suspense and titillation, highbrow readers care about themes and the way the text relates to other texts and broader cultural milieu that produced it. Prose is what people talk about when they want to seem literary but don't know literary theory and aren't well-read enough to do comparative analysis, basically it's a surefire sign you're listening to a pseud.

[Anonymous No.23065242]

>>23065190
>Melville is a pseud

[Anonymous No.23065273]

>>23065190
lol except everything you just said is pseud as fuck, you tardling.

[Anonymous No.23065308]

>>23065242
Melville equates prose to an artistic medium, which he's free to do because he's a master of the written word and understands it more intimately than the vast majority of people ever will. For most of us, the written word is a means of simple communication of ideas, at best a means of self expression, which if you're particularly talented and dedicated might approach artistry. But that doesn't mean prose, in the general way it is used by the vast majority of writers, professional and otherwise, is art, or intended to be viewed as art.

Giving you a very large benefit of the doubt would be to assume you've naively adopted Melville's perspective in an idealistic pursuit of artistic excellence, but since this is /lit/ I find it more likely you've simply perverted it into a form of baseless, unearned elitism. I say it's unearned because I've never seen a published author of any repute on this board spew invective about prose to the degree the unpublished pseuds do.

But that is beside the point. If people actually talked about prose the way Melville does (an impossibility given the gulf in intellect) than I'd have no reason to complain. Invariably discussion of prose on this board consists of dividing it into good and bad prose with little elaboration on why for the purposes of aforementioned elitist posturing.

[Anonymous No.23065346]

>>23060052
>Sorwheel's pov was very boring but I guess it's necessary for later development
yes, that development is gay sex with a nigger (receptive)

[Anonymous No.23065361]

>>23063214
>magic is literally just algebraic metaphysics
no.

[Anonymous No.23065368]

>>23062365
no it isn't
>>23063219
there was a 10ish year winter the last time the snow elves invaded. should've been a global mass extinction event.

[Anonymous No.23065371]

>>23063598
harry potter

[Anonymous No.23065378]

>>23064844
Dragon Gate by Lindsay Buroker
The Keeper's Six by Kate Elliott
>inb4 b-b-but le female writerss!!!!
touch grass and have sex

[Anonymous No.23065381]

>>23065378
>female writers
I noticed only this sequence of characters in your post and it caused me to drop it before even reading it.

[Anonymous No.23065433]

>>23065049
in another shitty story shang xin ci would've been part of fang yuan's h*rem, but chad that he is, fang yuan only has his eyes on immortality, benefits, and mermaid tail

[Anonymous No.23065440]

>>23063821
Tad Williams. His MS&T series basically sold me on "soft" magic being the best because when magic appears in his books, it's mysterious, dangerous and almost occult. Highly recommend

[Anonymous No.23065450]

>>23065308
>than
it's over for you and your entire post and point

[Anonymous No.23065458]

>>23065169
Yes, please.
>>23065378
Thanks, I'll check these out!

[Anonymous No.23065522]

Some recs for sci-fi/fantasy with a focus on a complex magic system. I'm not talking about shooting fireballs, i want a more """realistic""", well thought out grounded system. For reference i read "the name of the wind" many years ago, i'm looking for something more adult with that focus on the magic.

[Anonymous No.23065525]

>>23065433
>Be Human Ancestor <<>>
>Awaken and get cucked by Gu
>Talk to Gu, continue to get fucked
>Have children to stave off loneliness
>They all fucking die/are cast off into the Outer Dark from their mistakes
>Swallow their bodies and commit suicide out of despair
>Births Humanity
>accidentally responsible for bug-man tier inhuman society that follows shortly after
>elaborates in a convoluted manner
>dies

What was the deal with Ren Zu?

[Anonymous No.23065536]

>>23065522
Unclear if this a troll, oblivious, or what.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy

[Anonymous No.23065537]

[Anonymous No.23065542]

>>23065536
>Michael Swanwick's essay "In the Tradition", subtitled "A Cruise through the Hard Fantasy Archipelago..." uses the term to discuss the possibility of major fantasy works providing a structure for the genre, as hard science fiction does for science fiction in general, and concludes that it is impossible

It's so funny that if you look up any element of sandersons writing there will be a superior author shitting on it from before he even started.

[Anonymous No.23065546]

>>23065536
Thanks, now i know the term. Now, any hard fantasy recommendations with a focus on the magic system?

[Anonymous No.23065554]

>>23065546
>Now, any hard fantasy recommendations with a focus on the magic system?

[Anonymous No.23065559]

>>23065554
just recommend them something or don't reply, it's not an unreasonable question that merits you shitting up the thread with a bunch of empty replies.

[Anonymous No.23065567]

>>23065525
Wisdom Gu did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.23065573]

>>23065559
"Magic systems" are for retarded homosexuals, you retarded homosexual. Take that bullshit plebbit.

[Anonymous No.23065593]

>>23065573
You are brown

[Anonymous No.23065619]

>>23065573
>plebbit plebbit plebbit

[Anonymous No.23065681]

want to start reading 40k. where do I start?

[Anonymous No.23065691]

>>23065681
/tg/ lol
(Eisenhorn for serious and Ciaphas Cain for comedic are both pretty good but I've got no fucking idea about the rest of the oeuvre including all the space marine books)

[Anonymous No.23065717]

Guys, I need a story like this. Sounds like a cool concept for a fantasy world where it can just be explained with gods and magic.
The sun would Bob up and down to create air and night cycles. That would also mean there are two separate areas that can't get in contact with each other except maybe intense tunnels or something.
If you were to go with the retaining wall for some reason, you could have civilizations in the ever cool shadow. But still, the atmosphere would clump up near the sun, right?

[Anonymous No.23065735]

>>23065717
Also just realized: if you wanted seasons, you could make the disk wobble up and down, when your part of the disk is "up" it would be nearer to the sun during the day, increasing radiation intensity. Would have to look at some math to figure out how stark the difference between close and distant areas are. That could also allow you to navigate and tell time by the stars, as they would rock back and forth in the sky.
Fuck it, post more non-spherical topologies/cosmologies. I'm into that sorta shit.
I especially like the idea of an "endless stretching ice" in the far distance.

[Anonymous No.23065738]

>>23065593
Brown fingers typed this.

[Anonymous No.23065795]

>>23065717
>What if a ring world but stupider

[Anonymous No.23065811]

>>23065795
Ring worlds are narrow and dumb. A disk offers far more space and more evenly distributed.
Also, it's easier to map.

[Anonymous No.23065820]

>>23065811
I'm trying to figure out how to visually represent my reversed sphere world

[Anonymous No.23065940]

>>23059573
>He doesn't check out his bros whioe skinny dipping

[Anonymous No.23066035]

[Anonymous No.23066127]

Bros, what should my next read be? Dune or the First Law trilogy

[Anonymous No.23066152]

>>23066127
Heads, Dune
Tails, The Blade Itself

[Anonymous No.23066205]

I thought Grimalkin was a ruthless assassin or does she have a soft spot for other girls?

[Anonymous No.23066208]

>>23057737
It's the Quentin Tarantino of grimdark.

[Anonymous No.23066217]

>>23060052
>>23060059
Sorwheel's story picks up eventually, but I think it's like the third book before it does. IDK, the second series could have benefited from tighter editing. It dragged for me at times. I didn't mind the philosophical musings but some were repetitive and didn't need to be repeated.

That said, I thought the second two books picked up steam, especially the last. WLW had some good stuff but I felt like the Slog of Slogs became a true slog.

Overall, I tended to like all the stuff with Kelmomas, be meh of Esme shit, grow tired of Akka shit until the third book, enjoy all the Kellhus shit, enjoy all the Proyas shit, and then the Sorwheel shit sort of dragged too. Malowebi gets better too.

WLW was the hardest to get through for me. The Great Ordeal has enough twists to accelerate things and the set up starts to pay off and then TUC is a glorious shit show that is good despite being all over the place.

[Anonymous No.23066239]

>>23063846
Yeah, I have had this thought.

It would make a quite good RPG setting and the idea of sorcery trivializing some missions while chorea make others extremely difficult would be neat if executed right.

Enchanted weapons, while rare in the books, offer the ability to make being a non-sorcerer more interesting. Having to spec into gnostic sorcery, the daimos, etc. would open up cool side quests too.

I would set it during the Great Ordeal so that all the factions are out in the open and you can pick between them. Join the Great Ordeal, become one of the last Cisharum and kill the Ciphrang prophet, or join the Consult and get to use techne at the end.

You could have different final bosses based on the playthrough as well. Do you face the dragon at the Intrinsic Gate as a warrior hero? A member of the Consult as a faithful sorcerer? Do you face down Kellhus with techne for the Consult? Or did you side with the Gods and you have to face him down with your White Luck buffs (non-sorcerer option)?

Will you seal the world but end man? Save the world to let it be a granary? Or trust in Kellhus?

If the latter, the commitment of the player should definitely be tested by meat and manipulation, with late game offers to defect to the Gods or Consult.

Me, I'm going last Cisharum and ending the spider's reign.

[Anonymous No.23066263]

>>23066239
>76 hours into your playthrough
>Weeping Mountain DLC already completed
>Think you're going to get to the boss soon, you've been doing everything right for the good guys.
>"How long have you served Golgoterath!?"
>WTF? How could this be happening?
>Cut scene to your death.
>"Many sacrifices must be made. Not all can be saved."
>The End

Still better then what happens if you try to cross Aörsi into Agongorea with the Scalded debuff still active...

[Anonymous No.23066364]

>>23065542
He's not really shitting on it. He's just saying that it won't form a complete genre the way Hard Sci Fi. It's an archipelago of mini genres rather a united continent.

[Anonymous No.23066438]

Looking for more recommendations for fantasy.
I've read all the good stuff that is constantly referenced here.
Black company
Malazan
Storm light
LoTR
Wheel of Time
Gormenghast
Discworld
Ryiria chronicles and the prequels
Prince of thorns series
Gentleman bastards or whatever it's called
What else can I get into?
I definitely appreciate a good world building, long books with many titles

[Anonymous No.23066466]

What are some books about resurrection or making zombies?
I have read Herbert West–Reanimator

[Anonymous No.23066468]

I wish people still wrote like this.
>It was night, and the rain fell; and falling, it was rain, but, having fallen, it was blood. And I stood in the morass among the tall and the rain fell upon my head --and the lilies sighed one unto the other in the solemnity of their desolation.

[Anonymous No.23066526]

>>23066468
It's unfortunate that prose triggers the trancels so much.

[Anonymous No.23066563]

What's a good motivation for a villain who wants to conquer the world other than greed or lust for power?

[Anonymous No.23066578]

>>23066468
So, emo, angsty, and melodramatic?

[Anonymous No.23066586]

>>23066578
Emos wish they could be as angsty and melodramatic as Edgar Alan Poe.

[Anonymous No.23066619]

>>23057625

[Anonymous No.23066636]

Does anyone have that image of GRRM thinking about salad dressing with Preston Jacobs?

[Anonymous No.23066643]

>>23066586
He's so good.
>BY a route obscure and lonely,
>Haunted by ill angels only,
>Where an Eidolon, named NIGHT,
>On a black throne reigns upright,
>I have reached these lands but newly
>From an ultimate dim Thule—
>From a wild weird clime that lieth, sublime,
>Out of SPACE—out of TIME.

[Anonymous No.23066700]

>>23066619
It's a shame Nick Cole decided to basically write the same novel over and over and over. I guess more money to be made that way instead of actual creativity.

[Anonymous No.23066741]

>>23066563
force everyone to participate in a giant ritual to summon God

[Anonymous No.23066797]

>>23066741
That's just communism by another name

[Anonymous No.23066902]

>>23066438
Instrumentalities of the Night (Also by Glen Cook)
Memory, Sorrow and Thorn (Tad Williams)
Fortress series (C.J. Cherryh)

[Anonymous No.23066934]

>>23064546
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.23066987]

The recommended reading chart in the OP is so clutch

[Anonymous No.23067240]

>>23066563
Uniting the world to defend against an outside threat

[Anonymous No.23067437]

>>23066239
>>23066263
I ache for something that will never be

[Anonymous No.23067481]

>>23061562
>
it's more like if some clone troopers decided to say "fuck this" when the empire showed up, and now have to fight their own former brothers in arms to defend what's left of the republic.

[Anonymous No.23067507]

>>23065820
Reverse sphere? The inside of a sphere? Wouldn't that just be the same as the surface of a sphere? Just represent it as a sphere would be.

[Anonymous No.23067597]

>>23066619
There is not a single military scifi book by someone who was in the us military that doesn't suck ass

[Anonymous No.23067742]

>>23067597
Imagine telling a veteran of the revolutionary war to write a book that captures the horrors of WW1.
You cant. They cant imagine something like that. Terror of war is very real, but trying to transplant it into something different is somewhere between unimaginably hard to impossible.
Imagine being that russian soldier who was filmed running around a tank to run away from one of those quadcopter drones rigged with anti-personel explosive while the western social media sphere laughs at him for his terror like it was a benny hill gag.
And now think back to the gulf war of the 1990s, where such a thing would still have been mostly inconceivable.
Sure, some authors might have thought up stuff like "ripper drones" or something with literal blades for propellers, but the entire aspect of it that imprints this new form of horror onto all of us, that is something we can never truly be prepared for.

[Anonymous No.23068148]

>>23068147
>>23068147
>>23068147
New

[Anonymous No.23068162]

>>23066619
>"I'm captain soiled-rotten McWrongOpinion!"
>"Sgt Badass, go do stupid thing!"
>"Sir," Said Badass, in a very cool way so that you knew he had a dollar shave club sponsorship. "That is stupid."
>"No!" Screamed captain libtard journalist rich kid. "I'm right!"
It is complete shit.

[Anonymous No.23068174]

>>23064588
Why would I care about some she-boon author?