/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23049617]

He was 14 Mann you sick fuck

[Anonymous No.23049667]

>>23049617
All faggots are pederasts; we used to simply refer to them as such instead of using nonsense terms like "homosexual"

[Anonymous No.23049689]

>>23049617
Thomas Mann was a truly disturbing individual
>Mann's diary records his attraction to his own 13-year-old son, "Eissi" – Klaus Mann: "Klaus to whom recently I feel very drawn" (22 June). In the background conversations about man-to-man eroticism take place; a long letter is written to Carl Maria Weber on this topic, while the diary reveals: "In love with Klaus during these days" (5 June). "Eissi, who enchants me right now" (11 July). "Delight over Eissi, who in his bath is terribly handsome. Find it very natural that I am in love with my son ... Eissi lay reading in bed with his brown torso naked, which disconcerted me" (25 July). "I heard noise in the boys' room and surprised Eissi completely naked in front of Golo's bed acting foolish. Strong impression of his premasculine, gleaming body. Disquiet" (17 October 1920).[

[Anonymous No.23049715]

>>23049617
>Death in Beniss
Dhombass Manngh 8DDDDDD

[Anonymous No.23049720]

>>23049689
Don't forget his other gay son, who killed himself, and his dyke daughter, who Carson McCullers had a crush on and dedicated Blue Eyed Nigger to.

[Anonymous No.23049733]

>>23049689
>Find it very natural that I am in love with my son
The German mind, everyone.

[Anonymous No.23049854]

>>23049689
>Strong impression of his premasculine, gleaming body. Disquiet
kek

[Anonymous No.23049878]

>>23049689
what a surprise, the true creative has a soul and that soul has strange yearnings beyond those programmed into it by society/media. npcs, predictably, find that disturbing. can't he just want an apple vision pro??? don't worry, you can still write without a soul, maybe "isekai" or a netflix show. but true art is closed off to npcs, even just its appreciation, let alone creation.

and no, i know what you're going to say, thinking that niggers are apes and the holocaust is a lie does not make you any less of an npc, that's just you trying to fit in with a clique. the true soul is alone

[Anonymous No.23050041]

>>23049878
>if you think being sexually attracted to your 13 year old son is weird, u are an npc and u cant understand REAL literature!!!!!!!!! yes i am very serious, why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.23050042]

>>23049878
i find myself agreeing with this post

[Anonymous No.23050053]

it's funny that you want to go there, given the history of heterosexual age norms (let alone the obvious morphological resonances of the feminine)

[Anonymous No.23050065]

>>23049617
Yeah, but he was polish, so he's forgiven.

[Anonymous No.23050067]

>>23050053
you really think anyone on this board understands what you just said

[Anonymous No.23050075]

>>23050053
Heckin true the straights should NEVER talk about gay pedophilic desires unless they want us to talk about straight pedophilia. I bet they would hate that because they must secretly find straight pedophilia okay and this is just an excuse to attack gaydom!

[Anonymous No.23050093]

>>23049617
old enough for kisses

[Anonymous No.23050101]

>>23050053
It's unironically okay with heterosexuals do it, THOUGH.

[Anonymous No.23050105]

>>23050053
It's unironically okay when heterosexuals do it.

[Anonymous No.23050111]

>>23050105
unpersuasive

[Anonymous No.23050132]

>>23050105
Persuasive

[Anonymous No.23050161]

>>23050132
you think that it's fine when people fuck minors under certain conditions

[Anonymous No.23050184]

>>23050161
the right's been courting maps as a new source of revolutionary potential/disenfranchised bums to rugpull for literal years. anything you get this moron to admit with your epic rhetoric skillz has been an item in a ppt for longer than you have been out of high school, provided you are that. you are not slick. this is not an elite forum. it is a very small pond and it's getting smaller all the time

[Anonymous No.23050195]

>>23050184
>the right's been courting maps as a new source of revolutionary potential/disenfranchised bums to rugpull for literal years.
Care to elaborate a little? You aren't wrong but I never thought about it in those exact terms. It makes anime avatar twitter make a lot more sense.

[Anonymous No.23050200]

>>23050161
Im just did a le funny.

[Anonymous No.23050209]

>>23050161
If it's heterosexual, yes, it's natural. Fucking a 16 female as a 18+ male is unironically okay.

[Anonymous No.23050215]

>>23050184
The right unanimously wants to skull fucking crush "MAPs" and burn their disgusting pedophile bodies in the ovens. It's leftist retards with their "tolerance" courting pedophiles. They have been for a long time.
"MAPs" are very involved with leftist discord trannyspheres. The fact that you say MAP instead of what they are- pedophiles- shows that you have a hidden sympathy.

[Anonymous No.23050218]

>>23050195
"anime avatar twitter" in the pejorative sounds a little too near to bourgeois moralism for me

[Anonymous No.23050225]

>>23050218
I don't how else you describe the near decade of back and forth arguments between sexually abused weirdos with blue hair and smug anime girl avatars. We both know who has the right wing talking points.

[Anonymous No.23050248]

>>23050215

[Anonymous No.23050256]

[Anonymous No.23050260]

>>23049617
Why was Nabokov branded a pedo author for Lolita but this guy got off Scot free?

[Anonymous No.23050285]

>>23050041
To be fair he doesn't say that. He says things like enchanted, love, impression. I think there's more wriggle room than just the most base lust which modern society conditions us to interpret us as.

You're a great artist and father. Seeing your son is kind of like seeing a young you again in addition to loving him like s father. Seeing him naked might fascinate you in a way you can't express.

It's not normal or defensible if he did molest him but I think there's something to it.

[Anonymous No.23050286]

>>23050260
i reject both of these premises

[Anonymous No.23050299]

>>23050286
I am saying in public consciousness, Nabokov is usually branded le pedo guy but Mann isn’t.

[Anonymous No.23050314]

>>23050299
this isn't true, so far as I have seen, hence my rejection of it as a premise

[Anonymous No.23050330]

>>23050161
the difference is that you're impregnating someone, thus giving new life rather than sodomizing someone, thus giving death via disease. back in the old days not everyone was such a perv y'know, it's not like they were getting bjs. obviously that wouldn't work any more and you'd end up with a lot of fucked up wives but in rural agrarian villages it made sense.

[Anonymous No.23050336]

>>23050314
Okay, well one has to look no further than this very board to reach that conclusion.

[Anonymous No.23050338]

>>23050336
I reject the premise that this board is indicative of wider public consciousness

[Anonymous No.23050340]

>>23049667
is lgbtqia+ just another word for pederast?
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/RFNS-6.23-001-012:1

[Anonymous No.23050344]

>>23050340
betteridged

[Anonymous No.23050652]

>>23050330
Homesexuality doesn't imply sodomy

[Anonymous No.23050742]

>>23049733
He was a mulatto and a libtard who hated nazism. This is your guy.

[Anonymous No.23050746]

>>23050742
He was not a mulatto. Hating Nazism is okay.

[Anonymous No.23050778]

>>23050746
His mother was half-Creole, that basically makes him a nigger.

[Anonymous No.23050814]

>>23050778
No, he wasn’t if you are referring to Thomas Mann. She was white Brazilian.

Also he didn’t initially hate right wing politics. He wrote a defense of militarism in 1913.

[Anonymous No.23050816]

>>23050778
1918 I meant


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflections_of_a_Nonpolitical_Man

[Anonymous No.23050818]

>>23050778
She didn't have any negro blood. Mann's maternal grandmother (pic rel) was of mixed Portuguese and Amerindian blood (mostly Portuguese) and that was it. There was no negro blood.

[Anonymous No.23050820]

>>23050652
based. I wish homosexuality without sodomy was more mainstream. I can appreciate the male form and also be disgusted by the anus

[Anonymous No.23050825]

>>23050820
that's just homoeroticism, no?

[Anonymous No.23050837]

>>23050825
I would say that sucking cock and jerking a guy off are a little more than homoeroticism. I have no problem with those things but I just don't fund the anus erotic because it's the place where feces comes out.

[Anonymous No.23050844]

He was 14 Socrates you sick fuck

[Anonymous No.23050849]

>>23050742
>He was a ... libtard
He wrote a giant right-wing tract

[Anonymous No.23050864]

>>23050849
Yeah I already pointed that out but thanks. Mann was one of those who just supported whatever was popular at the moment. At the end of his life he was a “tankie” but retired to capitalist Switzerland.

[Anonymous No.23050875]

>>23050864
>Mann was one of those who just supported whatever was popular at the moment.
If that were the case he would have become a Nazi, but he didn't.

[Anonymous No.23051233]

>>23049667
>all right wingers

[Anonymous No.23051237]

>>23050215
The right is known for homoerotic ideas and grooming of children.

[Anonymous No.23051240]

>>23050248
How can the most sōyboy looking nonwhite be the face of the right? What next? A slavic woman with dyed hair and half shitalian children?

[Anonymous No.23051247]

>>23051233
Infamous right winger Thomas Mann

[Anonymous No.23051270]

I liked mann evendoe I only read one book by him and it was death in venice and other stories
Little herr, der bajazzo, tonio kroger, and death in venice is a good stories, I enjoyed them

[Anonymous No.23052019]

>>23051270
Nice, now learn English

[Anonymous No.23052054]

>>23050053
dangerously truthful post

[Anonymous No.23052328]

>>23049617
what's even wrong with tasteful pederasty? there's a difference between enjoying neotenous boys and some moustache-faced guy luring kids into his 70s wood paneling home

[Anonymous No.23052345]

>>23049617
Hey, I saw the trailer for a movie about the kid on the cover of that book. He was marketed as a teen heart-throb but was really being passed around by homosexual entertainment producers.

[Anonymous No.23052349]

>>23049667

[Anonymous No.23052355]

>>23049667
fpbp

[Anonymous No.23052362]

>>23052349
>>23052355
samefag

[Anonymous No.23052790]

>>23051237
They aren't the ones founding sex cult communes.

[Anonymous No.23052820]

>>23051237
>>23052790
During the transition from the German Empire to the Weimar liberal democracy, Blüher, a radical conservative and monarchist, became a staunch opponent of the Weimar Republic. In 1928, he had the opportunity to meet the former Kaiser Wilhelm II, in exile in the Netherlands. Blüher believed that pederasty and male bonding provided a basis for a stronger nation and state, which became a popular concept within certain segments of the Hitler Youth.[1]

[Anonymous No.23052852]

>>23052820
Americans are in a constant state of "No the right condones pedos" "No the left are the real racists". Insanely funny.

[Anonymous No.23054071]

>>23049689
if it were a mother talking about her son you guys would be posting "based"

[Anonymous No.23054312]

>>23052328
>enjoying neotenous boys
Huh?

[Anonymous No.23054525]

>>23050285
>To be fair he doesn't say that
he quite literally says "i am in love with my son" and "in love" means romantic and/or sexual interest

[Anonymous No.23054534]

>>23050209
What if you’re 41 like me?

[Anonymous No.23054536]

>>23054312
>enjoying neotenous boys
means
>some moustache-faced guy luring kids into his 70s wood paneling home

[Anonymous No.23054613]

It’d you’re feeling fruity just remember it’s not the slightly under developed green bananas that will get you in trouble…..it’s the strawberries. Don’t eat the strawberries.

[Anonymous No.23054631]

>>23054536
you'd know a lot about that

[Anonymous No.23055137]

guess I cant read The Magic Mountain now..

[Anonymous No.23055244]

>>23054613
Lmao.

Really, though, both will.

[Anonymous No.23055253]

>>23054613
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.23055256]

>>23049878
At last, a sensitive man in the sea of chthonic maggots writhing on this board. NPCs simply can't fathom the true love of beauty

[Anonymous No.23055265]

There's nothing wrong with enjoying the insolent grace of youth from a distance. A forbidden desire not acted upon, disturbs not the delicate surface of social mores

[Anonymous No.23055316]

>>23050161
Absolutely.

[Anonymous No.23055333]

>>23049617
Actually he was 11.

[Anonymous No.23055341]

>>23049689
Fun fact: almost all of Mann's kids came out as homosexual. Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.23055342]

>>23049689
>>23055341
Forgot to add that The Holy Sinner was about incest

[YWNBAW No.23055348]

>>23049617
Fucking based ,also in Italy 14 is the age of consent.

[Anonymous No.23055401]

>>23049617
Mann and Visconti, old world aristocratic morality incarnate. Sensitive young men. Unimpeded by wormlike normativity. The eagle of Eros soaring above the unwashed masses.

We will win.

[Anonymous No.23055451]

>>23050260
I don’t think most normalfags know who Thomas Mann is or what Death in Venice is

[Anonymous No.23055582]

>>23050161
When you leftists say minors, you just mean girls who are younger than 30

[Anonymous No.23055652]

>>23055401
Based

[Anonymous No.23055728]

>>23049617
The only moral issue is the power differential that older people exert over younger people. But this is certainly less outrageous than all the boys who have been shipped off to die in wars run by old people. I think the outrage is it’s a boy….but men have gawked, banged, and married girls since the dawn of time.

I’ve read Death in Venice. Where should I go next? Has anybody read Memphisito by Klaus?

[Anonymous No.23055733]

>>23055728
Mephisto isn't bad but very much a commentary on art and Nazism

[Anonymous No.23055740]

>>23049878
>>23050042
>>23055256
I have never felt more seen on this board. /lit/ pretends to appreciate art and literature, but anything that deviates mildly from the most baseline form of existence causes them to seeth like the rest of society.
I do think Mann is a faggot, though, but that's besides the point.

[Anonymous No.23055747]

>>23055740
Faggots often create great art

[Anonymous No.23055754]

>>23055747
I agree. Burroughs is one of my most favourite artists of all time and he was a mega faggot.

[Anonymous No.23055756]

>>23055747
Death of a parent is to the comedian like getting diddled or neglected is to the artist.

[Anonymous No.23055771]

>>23055747
Like rupaul or dj sophie, not even kidding

[Anonymous No.23055773]

>>23055740
>>23055747

[Anonymous No.23055903]

>>23055771
you better sissy that walk

[Anonymous No.23055925]

>>23049617
This is the kid from OP's book cover.

[Anonymous No.23056032]

>>23049617
Nothing wrong with being a boylover. It's healthy, and natural.
>>23049689
Being attracted to your own children is absolutely normal and you should be attracted to them. How is that wrong? Should you think your children are hideous instead?
>>23050215
>The right unanimously wants to skull fucking crush "MAPs"
Which is why /pol/ and other right wing communities are the only places on the internet which is critical of age of consent laws and feminist anti-sexual dogma.
>>23055728
>The only moral issue is the power differential that older people exert over younger people.
There are no moral issues with man/boy love. Two people of a different age can, and most often do have a positive and perfectly healthy sexual relationship with each other. Muh power dynamics is just a mindtrick created by Judeo-Feminism to push white people away from each other and damage the fabric of society. It doesn't even mean anything, it's just a Jewish smokescreen that is used to justify anything.

Every country which does not have Jews, has pederasty. If a country does not have pederasty, it has Jews.

[Anonymous No.23056064]

>>23056032
dangerously based. There is no refutation to this

[Anonymous No.23056490]

>>23056032
>>23056064
Their minds are not developed, it's wrong

[Anonymous No.23056676]

>>23049617
I don't like the gay stuff.

[Anonymous No.23056681]

>>23056490
neither is yours

[Anonymous No.23056816]

>>23056681
I unironically find this a persuasive counterargument to the whole AOC thing. Most people are borderline retarded, and even 60 IQ adults are legally allowed to have sex (even procreate, for Christ's sake). There are ten year old boys out there right now that are more responsible and intelligent than the average 20 year old female. The whole range of argumentation in favour of strict AOC laws has no counter to this. The best possible argument, as it seems to me, is to admit the ambiguity and openly declare that such an abstraction is necessary because we cannot legislate for individuals. The whole moral outrage thing normalfags are subject to is just boring.

[Anonymous No.23056828]

>>23055771
>dj sophie
Ew and he was a heterosexual autogynephile.

[Anonymous No.23056944]

>>23049878
Holy based

[Anonymous No.23056960]

>>23056816
the thing is, if there really was some sort of measurable "brain maturity" then nothing would stop you from legislating for individuals: develop a test, like a driver's license for your dick/pussy, where once you pass it other "adult-brained" people can fuck you, you can marry, be in porn etc, but everyone who didn't pass it yet is off-limits to you. one person will pass it at 13, another only at 23 or whatever, if you're legit retarded you never pass it and so on. that way you're actually "protecting" people who need it. but i suspect no such test could be developed because this "brain maturity" shit seems like bullshit science that wouldn't hold up if you tried to use it in practice.

ultimately people freak out about this stuff for ugly irrational reasons and not out of concern for the "victim," so i don't think the legislation will ever be sane.

[Anonymous No.23057201]

>>23049878
Huh? But isekai is a notorious pedo self-insert genre

[Anonymous No.23057240]

I'm a 27 year old virgin whose mental age is 15. Who am I supposed to go for that would actually lead to something happy?

[Anonymous No.23057436]

>>23057240

maybe somebody who will play a father/mother role to you and take care of you since you are still immature

[Anonymous No.23057450]

>>23057436
That sounds utterly horrible. But it confirms the idea I will never have a healthy balanced relationship. I'll be forced to get with a used up girl and it'll be a fucked up power dynamic

[Anonymous No.23057976]

>>23055728
>power differential that older people exert over younger people

This is entirely situation dependent. Being older doesn't mean a person wields more power. They may even have less power, meager resources and worse economic prospects combined with lesser attractiveness, while a younger person may have better attractiveness and better economic prospects. They may even be more intelligent if less "wise" or experienced.

>>23057450
plenty of women with minds of teenagers, so i'm sure you'll find someone

[Anonymous No.23059367]

>>23055253
Age of the boy. Pubescent vs pre-.

[Anonymous No.23059646]

>>23056032
"They hated him because he spoke the truth."

[Anonymous No.23060736]

>Mann and Visconti, old world aristocratic morality incarnate. Sensitive young men. Unimpeded by wormlike normativity. The eagle of Eros soaring above the unwashed masses.

>We will win.

[Anonymous No.23060786]

>>23056032
Jews like Allen Ginsberg have been among some of the most high profile pederasts

[Anonymous No.23062498]

>>23049617
I remember when I first saw this movie I was totally heartbroken. I don't know why but the next two days felt like a dream. I read the novella shortly after, while obviously a better piece of art I didn't feel like the wind had been knocked out of me

[Anonymous No.23062520]

>>23049878
Neck yourself pederast.

[Anonymous No.23062537]

>>23049617
>Itt pedo defenders

[Anonymous No.23062568]

>>23050065
thats a big clitoris desu

[Anonymous No.23063380]

>>23062498
You want to fuck teenage boys.

[Anonymous No.23063784]

>>23049617
>>23055925
Oof.
Time forgives no one.

[Anonymous No.23063786]

>>23049667
fpbp

[Anonymous No.23063788]

>>23063784
He looks great you gross faggot

[Anonymous No.23063790]

>>23063784
Both the catboy and the Death in Venice actor aged pretty gracefully. Most men turn into disgusting ogres by their 40s

[Anonymous No.23063805]

some actual thoughtful gems in this thread

[Anonymous No.23063809]

>>23055747
Most faggots I have met were low lives who at most had a high school education and worked some meaningless dead end job meant for women.

[Anonymous No.23063812]

>>23063809

[Anonymous No.23063826]

>>23063784
He honestly looks alright for 70 years old

[Anonymous No.23063842]

>>23054534
Socially weird, biologically normal. It should be a bit of a faux pas, but not something to become a hysterical shrieking woman over obviously. We live in not only a feminist but a highly feminised culture.

[Anonymous No.23063848]

>>23060786
Those are pedophile sodomites. Know the difference, it can save your life.

[Anonymous No.23063856]

>>23063812
Not comparable because faggot "marriage" is an absolute rarity that only happens among higher educated faggots while the vast majority of mentally sound men get married.
Also
>median
Besides, what the fuck does that even mean? So women make more money than men in the median marriage? But then why does it say household income?
Stop spamming this meaningless shit retard.

[Anonymous No.23063865]

>>23049878
good post
I don't relate to his desires in specific, but I do get people like Mann and why they exist

[Anonymous No.23063874]

>>23049878
>wanting to fuck little boys is art
Do you not realize you are mentally ill?

[Anonymous No.23063876]

Thomas Mann was a disgusting groomer just like the loathsome Greeks. Most of Western "art and culture" is degeneracy that should be burned. Savonarola was right.

[Anonymous No.23063884]

>>23063380
That's it anon. That's the answer I was searching for.

Congratulations again.

[Anonymous No.23064012]

>>23063784
He looks great you fucking tranny

[Anonymous No.23064068]

>>23049617
I've been alive for so long but can't wrap my mind around homosexuality. I just can't. It seems like the antithesis of the male experience. How can one man look at another, feminine features even, and feel lust? I just can't fucking bring myself to think of it as anything but the most vile taboo.
>>23049878
No, the creative soul recognizes the beauty of the male/female dynamic and recognizes the senseless degeneracy that is pederasty and homosexuality. The best stories revolve around the eternal relationship between the male and the female, the good and the evil.

[Anonymous No.23064106]

>>23064068
Imagine being attracted to females.. vile creatures ..

[Anonymous No.23064181]

>>23064068
Idk man. I'm straight, but in some ways the male body is the absolute limit of objective physical beauty (OP pic: >>23059753), whereas the female body is absolutely brutalist and utilitarian in its design. I don't get buggerers either, but I definitely understand why homoeroticism is a thing.

[Anonymous No.23064692]

>>23049878
bazed

[Anonymous No.23064737]

>>23064068
>No, the creative soul recognizes the beauty of the male/female dynamic and recognizes the senseless degeneracy that is pederasty and homosexuality. The best stories revolve around the eternal relationship between the male and the female, the good and the evil.

This is 100% true but porn addicts aren't ready for this pill

[Anonymous No.23064748]

>>23064737
Still waiting for heterosexuals (the niggers of sexual orientation) to produce a Michelangelo or a Leonardo.

[Anonymous No.23064778]

Sexual frustration in pederast is what makes them write groundbreaking philosophy or create genius art. It's their role in society. Nature choose to sacrifice their reproductive function in order to redirect the energy toward the creative function.
Although it's true that Mann had a family, but he was probably not satisfied when fucking his wife, hence the writing.

[Anonymous No.23065530]

What percentage of /lit/ is gay/bi?

[Anonymous No.23065719]

>>23065530
I know I am gay.
>tfw no short, beefy, librarian bf.

[Anonymous No.23065731]

>>23049878
This anon is right.

[Anonymous No.23065754]

>>23065719
what on earth

[Anonymous No.23065790]

>>23065754
I just want to lay my head on my bf's stomach as I read or listen to him talk about books damn it.
Letting a cute twink sleep on me as I read would be great too.