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Serious answer only.

>> No.23046131

>>23046123
Hegel

>> No.23046137

>>23046123
‘totle

>> No.23046136

>>23046131
How so?

>> No.23046142

Pyrrho

>> No.23046147
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>>23046123
Define “truth” and “everything.”

>> No.23046161 [DELETED] 

>>23046123
Not a muslim, let alone a shia, but Ali in Nahj Al-Balagha.

My favorote was when he described God in the 18th and 186th sermons, but the 5th sermon was cool af.

>O People! Steer clear through the waves of mischief by boats of deliverance, turn away from the path of dissension and put off the crowns of pride. Prosperous is one who rises with wings (i.e. when he has power) or else he remains peaceful and others enjoy ease. It (i.e. the aspiration for Caliphate) is like turbid water or like a morsel that would suffocate the person who swallows it. One who plucks fruits before ripening is like one who cultivated in another’s field.

>If I speak out they would call me greedy towards power but if I keep quiet they would say I was afraid of death. It is a pity that after all the ups and downs (I have been through). By Allah, the son of Abu Talib2 is more familiar with death than an infant with the breast of its mother. I have hidden knowledge, if I disclose it you will start trembling like ropes in deep wells.

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>>23046123
Not a muslim, let alone a shia, but Ali in Nahj Al-Balagha.

My favorite was when he described God in the 185th and 186th sermons, but the 5th sermon was cool af.

>O People! Steer clear through the waves of mischief by boats of deliverance, turn away from the path of dissension and put off the crowns of pride. Prosperous is one who rises with wings (when he has power) or else he remains peaceful and others enjoy ease. It (the aspiration for Caliphate) is like turbid water or like a morsel that would suffocate the person who swallows it. One who plucks fruits before ripening is like one who cultivated in another’s field.

>If I speak out they would call me greedy towards power but if I keep quiet they would say I was afraid of death. It is a pity that after all the ups and downs (I have been through). By Allah, the son of Abu Talib is more familiar with death than an infant with the breast of its mother. I have hidden knowledge, if I disclose it you will start trembling like ropes in deep wells.

>> No.23046385

>>23046123
The Buddha.

>> No.23046405
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>>23046123
R. Scott Bakker.

>> No.23046420

Kant, Hegel, Rene Guenon

>> No.23046437

>>23046123
But...
if I'm the one deciding...
then that makes...
me...
the arbiter of truth...
and everything...
...whoa.

>> No.23046449

Confucius and it's not even close. Read the analects.

>> No.23046472

>>23046123
i

>> No.23046475

>>23046437
No it just means you have an opinion.

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>>23046475
Yes.
THE Opinion.

>> No.23046487
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S. Maximus the Confessor and it isnt even close

>> No.23046492

>>23046123
UG Krishnamurti (pbuh)

>> No.23046495

Stefan Molynuex

>> No.23046500

>>23046495
Hes still around? last I heard he was running an online cult.

>> No.23046511
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>>23046123
Aquinas, though he stands on the shoulders of Christ, Augustine, Aristotle and Plato. Truth isn't a difficult matter for the pure of heart.

>> No.23046725

Lev Shestov and Heraclitus, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading other philosophy

>> No.23046798

>>23046123
Niklas Luhmann

>> No.23046815

>>23046123
Bertrand Russell

>> No.23046851

>>23046449
I did, it's a decent philosophy for dogs and maybe small children. Not so much for men.

>> No.23046858

>>23046123
Plato, Lao Tzu, Confucious

>> No.23046861

>>23046123
Heidegger

>> No.23046869

>>23046815
He's way up there, and one of the very few philosophers born rich who will freely say things that are against the interests of rich people. Truly unbiased guy except for his love for humanity itself.
Overall it's Schope because he's free of even that last bias.

>> No.23046890

Evola

>> No.23046894
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>I consider now, which light falls on hopes of finding a simple rule of Nature by which sex is regulated. Surely this also stands under an ethical principle. But there cannot be a biological rule of Nature for a process, that deals with either the incarnation of a soul or the development of an evasive, delusion- and lie-painting act, as woman is. And it can at the very least be influenced experimentally by other factors. This applies again for men. Intervention is quite impossible here. Just as unthinkable is a mechanical principle for the prevalence of the manly birth

>Constipation is indicative of being charged with mental and bodily impurity, without being directly expressed in a lasting pain. Diarrhoea is the releasing of all the waste; it relates to constipation like mishap to discomfort; it is symbolic for de-routing, chaotisization of the whole person. — It is why an artificial induced diarrhoea (especially through the most purgative agent, calomel) can, as known, protect from epilepsy: Diarrhoea conducts by other means what would otherwise remain stuck and bring the individual to fall.

>The moral is always above the intellectual; for the sorcerer can know everything, but not the good (God, the idea)

>> No.23046899

>>23046861
Correct answer

>> No.23046901

>>23046123
Le Bon but he was more of a psychologist

>> No.23046912

>ctrl+f Zhuangzi
>0 results
Are you niggas even trying?

>> No.23046924

>>23046912
>retard orientalist #9 billion shows up
Cool, now shut the fuck up

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>>23046123
The Celestial Emperor, of course.

>> No.23046955

>>23046924
"Yet the stupid believe they are awake, busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man ruler, that one herdsman – how dense! Confucius and you are both dreaming! And when I say you are dreaming, I am dreaming, too. Words like these will be labeled the Supreme Swindle."

>> No.23047082

Arthur Schopenhauer and Friedrich Nietzsche

>> No.23047145

>>23046123
Nietzsche or Heidegger

>>23047082
Also a good duo. Only reason I would say Heidegger over Schopenhauer is that Nietzsche is descended from Schopenhauer anyways and Heidegger further augments Nietzsche

>> No.23047155

>>23046815
Love this dude

>> No.23047168

>>23046123
Jean Gebser, Fu Xi (I Ching), and James Joyce.

>> No.23047177

>>23046815
>>23046869
>>23047155
reddit moment

>> No.23047184

>>23046131
Fpbp
Simple as

>> No.23047410

Wittgenstein and it's not even close

>> No.23047476

no one

>> No.23047495

>>23046123
>THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING
You'll have to grow up on your own sooner or later, no one is going to swoop in and become the dad you need

>> No.23047592

Hegel via Lacan via Zizek

>> No.23047620

>>23046123
Mike ma!

>> No.23047695

>>23046123
Deleuze had the best metaphors.

>> No.23047762

My as yet unfinished philosophical magnum opus, which begins without any presuppositions whatsoever (including the presupposition that thought is even possible) and which unifies substance and process/being and becoming through a phenomenological application of Peirce's tripartite semiosis mapped to a Trinitarian process-relational world of meaning-as-becoming, comes the closest.

>> No.23047772

>>23046123
literally the post modernists

>> No.23047842

>>23046851
What are your issues with it?

>> No.23047858

Leo Tolstoy and Norm Macdonald

>> No.23047979

>>23046123
De Tocqueville. What sets him apart from other people is that he doesn't need to invoke some metaphysical woo-woo to get his point across, it's all very concrete

>> No.23048000

>>23046955
Swindle supreme numba tree, that come wi' fry rice?

>> No.23048021

>>23046123
Adolf Hitler and it's not even close

>> No.23048031

>>23046142
refutes himself

all positions are equal given doubt, so to privilege dual ambivalence is just positing a third thing, if pyrrhonism is true all positions are equally invalid

>> No.23048297

>>23046123
Shankara

>> No.23048305

>>23046123
Auguste Comte.

>> No.23048310

>>23046123
Kierkegaard

>> No.23048312

None. Philosophy relies on reason which in the end is always for knowledge.

If I absolutely had to pick one on the basis that they were ultimately wrong but came the closest, it was obviously Aristotle.

>> No.23048355

Cheng Hao

>> No.23048369

>>23047762
if thought is not possible, then your entire philosophy is useless, you cannot justify logical arguments or say anything meaningful without presuppositions zoomer

>> No.23048373

Parmenides simplified everything, y'all had to go and invent new self refuting systems.

>> No.23048395

>>23047168
Based
Mind would be Ken Wilber for his Integral Theory, J.J. Hurtak for his vision of the Celestial Hierarchy, HHDL for his insistence upon love as the basis of all world religions, L. Ron Hubbard for his auditing process, and my mother for bringing me into this world

>> No.23048404

>>23046123
nothing is true
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljj32-Tg2n8

>> No.23048408

>>23046131
Fpbp

>> No.23048409

>>23046123
Cioran.

>> No.23048469

>>23047842
It tells you over and over to mindlessly worship and obey authority figures at all times without question. The opposite of a thinking man's philosophy.

>> No.23048483

>>23047177
>posts content-free downvote
>reddit moment
I concur.

>> No.23048504

>>23048369
The presupposition isn't that thought is impossible, but that you cannot immediately trust that thought is truly taking place from a phenomenological perspective.
I think it's funny that you throw around generational terms like they have anything whatsoever to do with the topic at hand.

>> No.23048515

>>23048483
+5 gold added to your account for that snappy comeback

>> No.23048611

>>23048515
>made fun of for downvoting instead of having something to say, on lit of all places
>shits up the board with more downvoting
I know the perfect website for you.

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>>23048021
He came a little too close to the truth.

>> No.23048716

>>23046123
Spinoza-Nietzsche

I think they are very close to the bone

>> No.23049023

>>23048617
All normies are like this

>> No.23049563

>>23046123
it has to be Leibniz, it will always be Leibniz. Leibniz is literally proof you can have material minds, but they don't want you to know that. Leibniz is proof animals are different from plants, but they don't want you to know that. Leibniz is proof 'complete' knowledge is better than analogy. they really want you to know that. Leibniz is proof that the difference between concept and proposition is irrelevant except for that sense that a concept can't be infinite and you can have as many propositions as you want.

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This guy. He is a present day Heraclitus.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130914033033/http://www.paul-almond.com/

>> No.23049610

>>23049563
>they
>they
>they
Are "they" in this thread with us right now? I don't have anything against Leibniz, but you seem a bit strange.

>> No.23049621

>>23049610
kek

>> No.23049635

>>23049610
>Are "they" in this thread with us right now? I don't have anything against Leibniz, but you seem a bit strange.
they is not here right now. they shows up, simple as.
the ideal CAN ONLY BE REAL in a non solipsistic world, else it is merely the idea. that is the whole caprice of reason solipsist think makes them start

>> No.23049677

>>23046894
>The moral is always above the intellectual; for the sorcerer can know everything, but not the good (God, the idea)
Most based quote ever

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>>23049563
The only correct answer. Midwits mogged. Goethe is a close second in terms of mythical-experience.

>> No.23049727

Nagarjuna, Hegel and Heidegger

>> No.23049732

>>23049718
>>23049563
I wish everyone wrote as clearly and concisely as Leibniz does in the Monadology. It's such a dead-simple and elegant work that anything else seems ridiculously obscure in comparison.

>> No.23049748

>>23046869
>>23046815
nobody takes russell seriously who isn’t a complete midwit. I can’t think of one positive thing he contributed to philosophy at all. positivism is pretty much dead and him with it

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>>23049732
AYO WE FINNA PUT DEM PROPOSITIONS IN DEM TRUTH-PREDICATES N SHIEEETT.

>> No.23049805

>>23049718
Youre a fag for picrel

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>>23049805
It's not color-by-numbers like Newton. Plebs wouldn't understand.

>> No.23049909

>>23049814
Dont care about the ranking, its gay to, on a literature board of all places, let someone else’s list of numbers do the work your own synthetic-evaluative faculties are supposed to do. You are gay

>> No.23050036

>>23046169
thank you for this post, gonna check that out.

answering OP, i believe it is Baruch Spinoza, he is very persuasive.

>> No.23050049

>>23048395
Not sure if bait but
>Ken Wilber
Like a pop sci version of the G man

>> No.23050171

>>23046123
Ibn Arabi

>> No.23050185

>>23049814
I think you're a small person, living a small life. A man whose greatest achievements will amount to nothing of significance. I expect you will waste away in you later years surrounded by no one but passersby who have nothing to offer you but looks of derision.

>> No.23050202

>>23046123
Pseudo-Hippocrates/ unnamed doctor from Cos


>Wherefore I have not thought that it stood in need of an empty hypothesis, like those subjects which are occult and dubious, in attempting to handle which it is necessary to use some hypothesis; as, for example, with regard to things above us and things below the earth; if any one should treat of these and undertake to declare how they are constituted, the reader or hearer could not find out, whether what is delivered be true or false; for there is nothing which can be referred to in order to discover the truth.

>> No.23050207

>>23046131
Fpbp

>> No.23050230

>>23049781
Do you underline everything?

>> No.23050240

>>23047858
>Normie MacDonald's

>> No.23050263

>>23046131
Didn't Hegel just repackage Jakob Bohme

>> No.23050287

>>23050263
Not exactly, no. It would be just as reductive and myopic to say that Boehme just repackaged Heraclitus.

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>>23046123
Nagarjuna

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>>23050289
*blocks you're path sirs*

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>>23046123
The epicureans agreed with modern science in a surprising number of ways. Their ethics doesn't seem that bad either.

>> No.23050439

>>23049781
>underlines the entire page
what's the point in underlining anything then?

>> No.23051094

>>23048504
And from what perspective can you trust that it takes place? I rightly called you that because only a zoomer has the hubris to say that they have come closest to the truth.

>> No.23051099

>>23046123
Jordan Peterson
Unironically

>> No.23051102

Hegel but he's kind of cheating

>> No.23051105

>>23050289
>>23050300
Did western painters copy how jesus' hand gestures from the buddha

>> No.23051140

>>23050171
One of the greatest schizos of all time.

>> No.23051159
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>>23046123
Nagarjuna

>> No.23051172

>>23051159
For a person who practices ascetism, you'd think they would be thinner.

>> No.23051174

>>23051172
He's well regarded
To refuse alms is bad manners

>> No.23051182

probablyme desu

>> No.23051183

>>23051172
>>23051174
In Thai tradition: Katyayana was a very handsome monk who used to tempt many girls and even men so he took a boon to become fat l so he could focus on meditation

Katyayana sutta is also the sutta which the Mulamadhyamakakarika is a commentary on

>> No.23051187

>>23051183
Very based

>> No.23051212

>>23051159
I haven't really seen any buddhists with a good counter argument to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qGs_c7jyOs

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>>23050185
Probably. But so did most of these guys (of which I do not equate myself). Van Gogh had bipolar I with psychotic features and passed away at 37 after his brother died and couldn't support him and everyone hated him in his life. You're on /lit/, dood. Did you really expect the board to be filled with celebrated brain surgeons and rocket scientists? Or are you going to give me the boot-straps talk?

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>>23050300

>> No.23051396

>>23046131
This and Plato

>> No.23051420

>>23051389
This meme seems to misunderstand the way eastern philosophers engage with each other. Many important eastern philosophers are highly "unoriginal", because they view the process of philosophy as a kind of conversation. For example you can find most of buddha's ideas in the vedas and early upanishads, like the concept of a middle way, karma, rebirth, meditation, enlightenment etc... some of the other things like jhanas were not really his ideas either, eastern philosophers just respond to and reinterpret things for the most part, except for a few like Zhuangzi or Matsyendranatha.

>> No.23051521

>>23051420
>some of the other things like jhanas were not really his ideas either
Iirc seven jhanas were already known in Shakyamuni’s time, him being the discoverer of the eighth.

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>>23048395
>Hubbard
Came here to say this.

>> No.23051671

>>23051420
Is dependent origination in the Vedas and Upanishads?

>> No.23051696

>>23051671
Alex Wayman has argued that the ideas found in the dependent origination doctrine may precede the birth of the Buddha, noting that the first four causal links starting with avidya in the Twelve Nidānas are found in the cosmic development theory of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad and other older Vedic texts.[119][118][120]

According to Kalupahana, the concept of causality and causal efficacy where a cause "produces an effect because a property or svadha (energy) is inherent in something" along with alternative ideas of causality, appear extensively in the Vedic literature of the 2nd millennium BCE, such as the 10th mandala of the Rigveda and the Brahmanas layer of the Vedas.[121][note 36]

>> No.23051744

>>23046385
>>23046449
>>23046861
>>23046949
>>23049727
>>23050289
>>23051159

Seconding these

>> No.23051768

>>23051744
Confucians literally argued that buddhism erodes their way of life

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>>23046123

>> No.23051805

>>23051094
There is a presuppositionless way for thinking to take place but I'm not posting it here. It's deeply unintuitive and I need to precisely define my terms before it's ready to publish. In either case you aren't someone worth making effortful replies to since all you seem to be capable of doing is seething about the fact that people under the age of 30 post on this website.

>> No.23052259

>>23051648
>Hubbard was right
>CoS needs work
>CoS says it doesn't need work because Hubbard was right
Wat do

>> No.23052794

>>23048469
Not all philosophy is epistemology and ethics, anon. Some of us are into politics. There's nothing stupid about what he's saying, you need to consider how the pieces fit together.

>> No.23052802

>>23046123
John Zerzan

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for me it's prof dr. winklers magnum opus 'antwort auf die träume'.
absolutely unique and instinctively precise in his analysis of truth and wisdom of life.

>> No.23052840

>>23051805
Keep going zoomer, you will eventually figure out how to fry an egg and independently do your taxes, but first you must show everyone how smart you are, that's the priority.

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>>23052840

>> No.23053284

>>23046123
Friedrich Nietzsche, annihilated all charlatans like Hegel, Schopenhauer, Christ etc.

>> No.23053604

>>23046131
Absolutely this.

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>>23046123

>> No.23054030

>>23048469
t. Retard who would be at the bottom of the hierarchy

>> No.23054075

>>23046123
Jesus

>> No.23054122

>>23052259
Look into the independent clearing field. http://freezoneearth.org/

>> No.23054150

>>23047762
Is this the recursive novelty guy?