/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23033548]

Does /lit/ love this or do we agree that it was kinda gay nerd shit for high schoolers who want to feel smart because stupid plot twists were hinted at three books ago?

[Anonymous No.23033616]

>>23033548
Honestly, can you even begin to articulate why you dislike this book?

[Anonymous No.23033654]

>>23033616
Everything outside of few passages and the autistic planning is amateurish. Wolfe can't handle plot, pacing or characters. It's thousand pages of simplistic caricatures walking from one spot to another spot before they get captured for the fifteenth time.

Can you articulate why you like it?

[Anonymous No.23033694]

>>23033654
>Wolfe can't handle plot, pacing or characters
Back to your creative writing seminar, little guy.

[Anonymous No.23033698]

>>23033654
Wolfe is a brilliant planner who writes excellent character-driven stories that can be reread with increasing enjoyment by a knowledgeable reader. His characters are anything but simplistic and have in reality a whole lotta depth to them which can be seen on surface reading and even more on careful reading

Now can you tell me why this book is really so insulting to you that you make a thread about it on /lit/ in order to vent?

[Anonymous No.23033768]

>>23033698
His characters are cardboard cutouts that range from hot girl a, hot girl b and hot girl c to hot girl d who is also evil and vengeful. Severian is just a guy who has stuff happen to him.

>that can be reread with increasing enjoyment by a knowledgeable reader
That can be reread by autistic high schoolers who want to feel smug because now they know that the guy who buzzes turns out to be a robot in the end.

>Now can you tell me why this book is really so insulting to you that you make a thread about it on /lit/ in order to vent?
I don't hate the book, I hate cunts who fool others into reading it like it isn't cheap ya slop.

[Anonymous No.23033781]

>>23033548
it's edgy fantasy for failed school shooters

[Anonymous No.23034122]

>>23033548
People's general opinions just go through cycles I've noticed. We're in the era where it's cool to hate these books, and you're actually SMARTER if you've read them, and announce your hate for them.

Just shows a lack of maturity I think, because clearly you can't form a nuanced thought on the books, to the point where it doesn't even seem like you read them.

[Anonymous No.23034445]

>>23034122
So many people on here can't seem to understand that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad.
Or that being able to articulate a couple critisms of it also doesn't mean it's bad. It's a wonder that they can enjoy anything in life, if spotting even the slightest valid criticism instantly ruins a piece of media.

[Anonymous No.23034645]

>>23033768
>This can't be literature!!! There are to many hot girls in it!!! It might appeal to incels, or other types of men I feel morally superior to!

You got filtered hard bud. Why are you even on here?

[Anonymous No.23034651]

>>23033548
I'm reading this for the first time right now. It's alright. It feels like one of those books that would be a lot easier to appreciate on rereads.

[Anonymous No.23034677]

>>23034445
It's called autism. They have no theory of mind. Other boards have daily, pants shitting outrages over being unable to enjoy niche but popular things beloved by people who can enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.23036069]

>>23034645
t. incel

[Anonymous No.23036084]

>>23033548
this is one of Sam Hyde's favorite books, lol

[Anonymous No.23037060]

>>23033548
>>23033616
>>23033654
>>23033694
>>23033698
>>23033768
>>23033781
>>23034122
>>23034445
>>23034645
>>23034651
>>23034651
>>23034677
>>23036069
>>23036084
>Overall, I found nothing unique in Wolfe. Perhaps it's because I've read quite a bit of odd fantasy; if all I read was mainstream stuff, then I'd surely find Wolfe unpredictable, since he is a step above them. But compared to Leiber, Howard, Dunsany, Eddison, Kipling, Haggard, Peake, Mieville, or Moorcock, Wolfe is nothing special.
>Perhaps I just got my hopes up too high. I imagined something that might evoke Peake or Leiber (at his best), perhaps with a complexity and depth gesturing toward Milton or Ariosto. I could hardly imagine a better book than that, but even a book half that good would be a delight--or a book that was nothing like that, but was unpredictable and seductive in some other way.
>I kept waiting for something to happen, but it never really did. It all plods along without much rise or fall, just the constant moving action to make us think something interesting is happening. I did find some promise, some moments that I would have loved to see the author explore, particularly those odd moments where Silver Age Sci Fi crept in, but each time he touched upon these, he would return immediately to the smallness of his plot and his annoying prick of a narrator. I never found the book to be difficult or complex, merely tiring. the unusual parts were evasive and vague, and the dull parts constant and repetitive.
>The whole structure (or lack of it) does leave things up to interpretation, and perhaps that's what some readers find appealing: that they can superimpose their own thoughts and values onto the narrator, and onto the plot itself. But at that point, they don't like the book Wolfe wrote, they like the book they are writing between his lines.
WOLFEBROS...NOT LIKE THIS

[Anonymous No.23037387]

>>23037060
what midwittery is this?
>they like the book they are writing between his lines.
is that supposed to be a criticism? I'd like to see the Haggard novel or Howard story that has enough potential between the lines to do that.

[Anonymous No.23037440]

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[Anonymous No.23037484]

>>23037440
To be fair I don't remember most of these.

[Anonymous No.23037518]

>>23037484
He did go into Long Sun stuff to be fair.

[Anonymous No.23038120]

I love his worldbuilding, it's interesting trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. I also love the vocabulary and was surprised to figure out how many of those are real words. There's a guide/dictionary out there but you don't need it to understand what's going on if you know basic Latin and Greek roots. The dictionary does make it better afterwards though, I'm not Catholic so I had no idea how many characters were named after obscure saints, plus a ton of similar stuff I missed reading on my own.
I didn't like the start of Urth but loved his time as the Conciliator and return to the House Absolute. Also may have been filtered by the end since I didn't really like it either.
>t. only finished the New Sun series a month ago

[Anonymous No.23038125]

>>23033548
it was good.

[Anonymous No.23038160]

>>23037060
>passive-aggressive conjecture
>using "prick" sincerely

[Anonymous No.23038294]

>>23033548
I really liked the first four books, but Urth kind of soured the experience for me.

[Anonymous No.23038407]

>>23033548
I liked the not rape in it

[Anonymous No.23038540]

You guys got bored of pretending to have read and enjoyed Wolfe, so now you're going to pretend you read and hated him? Cool.