The Brothers Karamazov

[Anonymous No.23031680]

Post a book that is same level or better.
Hard mode: no russian.

TBK ruined literature for me since nothing comes close...

[Anonymous No.23031796]

Moby Dick is the true and /lit/ approved answer, i go back and forth on which is best. Both are great for similar reasons - being able to switch perspectives and moods seamlessly (Melville does this more spectacularly, but the fact that Doestoyevsky is doing it at all is spectacular). Melville is by far the better stylist, and he's not in translation, and Karamazovhasnoproper ending. So for today I'll say Moby Dick is a bit better.

Both are books you have to be in the mood for, so other books are better for other circumstances.

[Anonymous No.23031831]

Devils, by Dostoevsky, is really underrated. It starts a bit alow but once people start dying it gets crazy.

[Anonymous No.23033416]

>>23031831
is there a good English translation you'd recommend? I enjoyed Pevear and Volokhonsky for C+P and TBK.

[Anonymous No.23033430]

>>23031796
I'm about to finish moby dick. What do you think of Anton Cheyov?

[Anonymous No.23033438]

>>23033416
I read the Penguin David Magarshack version and it was fine.

[Anonymous No.23033463]

is this a thread where op just rejects all suggestions no matter how good they are?

[Anonymous No.23033817]

>>23031831
>It starts a bit alow but once people start dying it gets crazy.
By a bit slow this anon means to say 200 pages.
I fucking stopped reading it right about there.... fuck, I gotta get back to it.

[Anonymous No.23034214]

I found Devils more interesting and insightful than TBK

[Anonymous No.23034715]

>>23031680
The Story of the Stone by Cao Xueqin. But since >is chinese
and
>it lacks a complete wikipedia plot summary
it doesn't counts.

[Anonymous No.23034802]

>>23033416
P&V have a great demons too. If you liked their others you will like Demons

[Anonymous No.23034827]

>>23031680
If you want a big encompassing novel there are very few. Dostoy is one of like 4-5 authors who ever justifiably wrote a book longer than 500 pages, and hes the only man who ever wrote 2, BK and Demons.

Cervantes (Don Quixote), Melville (Moby Dick), and Joyce (Ulysses) are the others. I also want to say Dellilo because I loved Underworld (which imo is by miles the best postmod doorstopper) but I cant in good faith put it on the tier of the others. I wouldnt even count Tolstoys longer novels on that level. He is the best novella writer to ever live (highly recommend Hadji Murat and Forged Coupon) bar none, but I found both Anna K and W&P couldve been half of their lengths without losing impact.

[Anonymous No.23034921]

>>23031680
I re-read this book recently and it's too much of a cock tease now that I know Dosto planned on a trilogy. You can see characters being built up for later uses and you know it'll never come.
>>23033416
They translated Devils and titled it Demons.

[sage No.23034947]

>>23031680
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

[Anonymous No.23034961]

>>23031680
What is so good about this fucking book....

[Anonymous No.23035008]

>>23034827
>Dostoy is one of like 4-5 authors who ever justifiably wrote a book longer than 500 pages
>justifiably
I don't think that word means what you think it means anon.
Dosto was a degen gambler, he got paid by the page, that's the only reason for the length.

[Anonymous No.23035033]

>>23034921
>They translated Devils and titled it Demons.
Technically, бecы are a form of demon, Demons being far more accurate than Devils.

[Anonymous No.23035258]

>>23035008
No, thats precisely the right word, youre just dumb.

[Anonymous No.23035265]

>>23035258
:(