Surrealsim, Dali.

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300635]

does anyone of you guys know were I can read Dali's Declaration of Independence of the Imagination and of the Right of Man to His Own Madness? already googled it and didn't find any complete document, just fragments.
Also, Surrealism General.

[Anonymous No.2300655]

I can't help you with your request, but yay for surrealism general!

I actually just finished up Valerie and Her Week of Wonders by Vítezslav Nezval the other day, who co-founded the Czech surrealism movement. For anyone interested in that one, here's an ebook:

>http://www.mediafire.com/?yprti0nejayre6i

I also read the intro for Gherasim Luca's The Passive Vampire, and it seems like it's going to be a pretty experimental romp. The whole "objectively offered objects" thing. I've already read a bit of Gellu Naum, so I'm curious to see what else came from the Romanian surrealists.

Also up on my plate is Hebdomeros by Giorgio de Chirico, who I guess is pretty known for his surrealist art. I've opened it up at random a few times and I feel I'm going to have to go at that one with absolutely no distractions. So many page-long sentences.

[Anonymous No.2300680]

Might like this OP:

http://www.4shared.com/file/EfMxv4i-/Shaun_Tan_-_The_Arrival.htm?aff=7637829

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300683]

>>2300655
Already downloading the book Anon!
Yea, I really love surrealism.
I've been researching on similar movements as Dadaism and the on which I know the best, panic theatre.
I'm now reading a book from Alejandro Jodorowsky, a surrealist film and play director who started to work on Shamanism and Tarot developing new therapeutic threatments (such as Psychomagic) that consist in the patient to realize several acts to cure himself (such as painting himself in red and running in a park and then talking to persons with pictures from his-her parents). His therapy is based on the idea that the subconcious takes metaphors as a reality.

[Anonymous No.2300687]

>>2300655
could you post links to all that you can? I would greatly appreciate it

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300721]

>>2300655
Maaaan this is just fantastic!!

Also, I didn't know there were so many Surreal/Dada people in /lit/
yea, for me 3 is pretty much

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300783]

>>2300680
finished with this, it was beautiful. The landscapes were amazing.

[Anonymous No.2300804]

can we keep this /lit/ related?

what are the must read surreal writers or works?

beside automatism what other surreal techniques exist on writing?

[Anonymous No.2300814]

Saw a amazing exhibit on surrealism and dada in Cincinnati a few years back. Basically the greatest day of my life.

Codex Seraphinianus is great:
http://www.mediafire.com/?nnynjgynoio


More surreal type comics:

Shade
WillWorld
Mark beyer
Doom Patrol
Junji Ito

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300822]

>>2300804
I consider to be a must to know the Panic Movement when it comes to surrealist derivatives
specially in plays and film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_Movement

[Anonymous No.2300824]

Have you read Andre Breton and Lautréamont? Penelope and Franklin Rosemont books are good as well though not quite as essential.

[Anonymous No.2300826]

Dali is surrealism for people who do not like surrealism.

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300835]

>>2300824
I haven't!
What do you recommend from Breton?

[Anonymous No.2300841]

>>2300635
OP you might wanna check out Une semaine de bonté.

>>2300655
I've yet to read Valerie but I've seen the film and read some of Nezval's other works, hopefully it will live up to expectations. Have you read any of Jindrich Styrsky's dream stories?

[Shabbaz No.2300863]

>>2300822
>alexandro jodorowsky
>influenced by luis bunuel

OH GOD YES!

[Anonymous No.2300860]

For breton I would pick up "manifestos of surrealism". It has the first two manifestos plus some other essays by him.

[Anonymous No.2300868]

>>2300655

hey, thanks for that link, i'd been meaning to check out the film for some time but now i'll definitely read the book first.

[Anonymous No.2300870]

>>2300868

oh, btw, just gonna throw Daniil Kharms into the mix. he's very entertaining.

[Anonymous No.2300877]

>>2300814
i bet you only have read morrison's patrol

fucking casual

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300885]

>>2300863
Dude, I have like 5 books from Jodorowsky and have seen most of his films. He is someone worth checking out.

I recommend watching his films in this order
Sacred Mountain - His best, inspired partially on Thomas Mann's Magic Mountain.
El Topo - Surreal Western, cool Cowboys, monks, and revolvers.
Fando & Lis - Personal Favorite.

On Literature, I would start with
Cabaret Mistico - Philosophy and psychology
then
Psicomagia (Psychomagic in English) - His therapeutical method (then reading Manual de Psicomagia).
El tesoro de la Sombra - (very short stories)

He also has a lot of graphic novels.

>>2300860
I will check out Breton then.

>>2300841
Thanks! will be looking forward for this type of Graphic novels.

[Anonymous No.2300892]

>>2300655
Just finished the first chapter of that. So far the imagery is good, but the prose seems a little disjointed or something - fragmented. I'm not sure if it's a bad translation or what but it doesn't flow very well. The story is interesting enough so far for me to want to continue though.

[Anonymous No.2300894]

>>2300892
Did you read Nezval's preface and have you read much gothic literature?

[Anonymous No.2300907]

>>2300894
Yes and no.

[Anonymous No.2300915]

>>2300885
Anything online and in Ingles, por favor? My spanish is exactly what it used to be -- non-existent.

[Surrealist Literature Enthusiast No.2300924]

>>2300826

Actually, Dali was essentially excommunicated from the Surrealist movement by Andre Breton, who felt Dali was usurping the ideals of Surrealism by turning it into a capitalist enterprise. Breton was staunchly communist and felt that the glorification of the fetish object present in works by Dali, Bataille, etc.

So really, Dali is Surrealism for people who interpret Surrealism to mean the subconscious workings of the mind given temporal form. Dali adhered to Bataille's concept of "base materialism" (Freudianism, essentially) while Breton felt that Surrealism should have a political motive in order to be taken seriously as an art form; the lack of such a center is what caused the Dada movement to fall out of favor in the 20s and 30s.

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300926]

>>2300915
Well, he writes in spanish so those are original titles. I'm not too sure of the trad. titles
A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT was my mistake on traducing Monta;a Sagrada. it is The Holy Mountain.

which you can certainly watch online.
I have several graphic novels, but then again, they are in spanish.

[Anonymous No.2300931]

Was Kafka a surrealist? I can easily imagine people saying his work is surreal, but does that mean he is a surrealist or are there other aspects to consider?

[Anonymous No.2300943]

how do i get in contact with you HOW
i never met someone else that liked Jodorowsky
do you know the works milton erickson?
his concepts in his brief therapies are remarkably similar to that of jodorowsky

do you know about Oscar Ichazo and the enneagram too??

[Surrealist Literature Enthusiast No.2300945]

>>2300804

I'd say a good introduction to Surrealist writing would include Unica Zuern's novella "Dark Spring" which explored the idea of the erotic and inconsistent narration as a reflection of a diseased mind.

Leonora Carrington's "The Hearing Trumpet" is another good one, but a bit longer and more on-the-nose with its symbolism and allegory, specifically dealing with death and rebirth.

Breton's manifesto on Surrealism is essential, of course, as is most of the writing of Bataille, who stood at odds with Breton for most of his life but still pursued Surrealist ideas in his writing.

Filmwise, you can find Dali and Bunuel's short piece "Un Chien Andalou" (An Andalusian Dog) on YouTube in its entirety, and it's a fascinating look into how Surrealists attempted to use what was at the time a very new technology in a way that would further their art.

It's hard to discuss Surrealist writing techniques per se, mostly because Surrealists actively tried to avoid any kind of technique or style, seeing them as hampering devices. Surrealist artist viewed themselves as vessels through which a creative energy flowed, and didn't think creativity was something one could develop. Outside of automatism and lucid dreaming/drug use/hallucination there isn't too much. All Surrealists tried to do was reach their subconscious and attempt to describe what they found there, usually through the use of drugs or mind-altering exercises or what have you.

For more specific techniques you would have to investigate OuLiPo literature, which chronologically followed Surrealism and was in many ways a reaction to Surrealism's fanciful elitism.

[Surrealist Literature Enthusiast No.2300948]

>>2300931

I'd consider Kafka more of an absurdist in the sense of Camus' Absurdism. Kafka's narratives are held together in a dreamlike and surreal way than most narratives, but at the end of the day Kafka is attempting to point out the inconsistencies, bureaucracy, and futility of the individual experience. At least in my reading of him. I'd call him an existential nihilist.

[Anonymous No.2300949]

>>2300931
more like expressionist

[Anonymous No.2300952]

>>2300943

>12 years old

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300967]

>>2300943
So many questions to answer and so many questions to ask.
Oh anon, I just fell in love.
give me your Hotmail, msn live account and we will chat for hours for sure.
but let's not argue our privacy on the thread as it may end up beind a /soc/ thingy.

I haven't heard about those characters, as my approach to Jodorowsky has been focused in his early artistic years, more specifically his contributions to theatre while he was in Mexico.
I have been mildly interested in his studies and just a few days ago I started reading Psicomagia and Manual de Psicomagia (which I have found amazing so far). I grow more and more interested in his therapy, but I can't get quite convinced about it, hopefully I will get something out of that book.

He is an insteresting man, he is indeed.
And I will definitely add those two to my to-read list.

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2300970]

>>2300948
This. There is actually an essay wrote by Camus in which he relates Kafka to absurdism.

[Anonymous No.2300973]

this mofo dropped a mixtape back in the day. that shit bumps in the whip

[Anonymous No.2300974]

>>2300814

>Doom Patrol

[Anonymous No.2300981]

>>2300945
>It's hard to discuss Surrealist writing techniques per se
well that sucks. i0ll beter experiment by my self

[Anonymous No.2300985]

People who like the Panic Movement might also be interested in the group of artists who came to be known as the Vienna Actionists.

Fun Fact: W.B. Yeats and his wife experimented with automatic writing while Breton was probably still in diapers.

[Anonymous No.2300988]

>>2300974
are you a casual or a morrisonfag?

[Anonymous No.2300991]

>>2300988

i'm not his biggest fan but have read doom patrol, zenith, invisibles, and some of his short runs.

GM is the boss imo.

[Anonymous No.2300993]

>>2300967
yes!
i'm in the reverse situation as yourself--i started off reading about his therapeutic practices and his work in tarot, and now i'm heading for his earlier works
have you read his comic book series as well?
also, i do not have MSN--but i could always make one, but it's a bit too late, since it's almost 4 AM here
but my email is: [e-mail]
email me!
i'd love to chat with you further =)

[Anonymous No.2301083]

>>2300991

[Anonymous No.2301510]

bump for Dali's Diary

[Anonymous No.2301520]

Andre Breton lol, what a dick.
"Sorry Tony but putting on plays to make a living is totally bourgeois bro. Im afraid youre out of the movement."
Then you had Picasso slaying the Surrealists wives left and right. What a bro.

[Anonymous No.2301562]

>>2301520
He was all like "But Dali, we can't criticize the Nazis", then started calling him a Nazi. Apolitical shithead.

[Anonymous No.2301596]

>>2301562

Which made it even sweeter when the communists told him and soupault to fuck off cause they were too busy DOIN THANGS to listen to a couple of artfags lol.

>Realniggas
>Aragon
>Bellmer
>Char
>Eluard
>Desnos

>Bitchniggas
>Arp
>Breton
>Duchamp
>Peret
>Tanguy

[Anonymous No.2301602]

>>2301520
>"Sorry Tony but putting on plays to make a living is totally bourgeois bro. Im afraid youre out of the movement."
I like this guy.

[Anonymous No.2301608]

Who is surrealism?

[Anonymous No.2301795]

>>2301596

Peret is indeed a bitch. For a second I thought you made a typo and claimed Perec was a bitch and I would have gone off the handle. That not being the case, carry on. Perec's an Oulipan, anyway, so I guess ultimately I add nothing of value to this thread.

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2302014]

Bumping for Dali's Manifiesto

[Anonymous No.2302021]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60739170/2083-a-European-Declaration-of-Independence

[Anonymous No.2302032]

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-collected-writings-of-salvador-dali-salvador-dali/1015029326

[Anonymous No.2302043]

>>2301795

>yfw Salvatore Dali steals your bitch form you
>yfw you wife another ho
>yfw Paco Picasso fucks her too

[VelvetCrow !0kY4lKysPM No.2303425]

last bump