/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22955879]

Am I supposed to believe this is a dystopia lol? Only halfway through but life in this world sounds amazing.
>you never have to talk about anything with anyone, people who try to talk to you all the time get disappeared
>prostitutes are affordable (not sure what $2 is worth in this world I am guessing like 10-20?)
>women hate themselves and are not allowed to dress promiscuously or show PDA
>free alcohol
>government helps you cut back on smoking
>never have to go shopping for groceries
This book is the greatest argument for communism I have ever heard, when does it get bad? My life would be demonstrably better in this world.

Also lol it is just animal farm with more words, Goldstein is Trotsky, Orwell is such a hack.

[Anonymous No.22955881]

What the fuck is the point of all that if I can't play EU4?

[Anonymous No.22955885]

[Anonymous No.22955896]

I guess I know what the assigned reading is this semester.

[Anonymous No.22955980]

he wrote it for the sex scenes. he had horrible taste, disgusting man desu

would be cooler if the entire book could be interpreted as the journal he starts but orwell was too microbrain for that.

at least he was too stupid and uneloquent to be as sermonizing as huxley

[Anonymous No.22955985]

>>22955879
Aside from the prostitution and woman thing it sounds shitty…shoo shoo WEF shill

[Anonymous No.22956014]

>>22955879
Yeah it's great. You should apply for North Korean visa.

[Anonymous No.22956064]

>>22955896
spbp

[Anonymous No.22956074]

pynchon's 2003 preface to 1984 was better than 1984

[Anonymous No.22956077]

>>22955879
Retard

[Anonymous No.22956081]

>>22955985
Seriously though why don’t commies lead with this shit? Join our march women will be repressed, starving, and basically free. A wife like katherine sounds ideal to me. Who would complain about a thoughtless tall hot blonde that just lets you have your way with her? Why should I want to hear some easy mode whores dumb thoughts about anything?

[Anonymous No.22956082]

>>22956081
yep, this is a 4chan post alright

[Anonymous No.22956088]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0wH6YDfCzg
This scene gives me shivers
How glorious

[Anonymous No.22956090]

>>22955896
And for the record I am 27 and this will be the 12th book I have read in 2024, what have you done with your january? I am literally the king of /lit/ right now, like the biggest poster on /fit/ my opinion>your opinion no matter what I say.

[Anonymous No.22956104]

>>22955879
I know you haven’t finished it or at least aren’t reading it honestly because the backdrop of all that is none of it is enjoyable because it cannot be enjoyed. Sex for pleasure isn’t real and is viewed as a rebellious act that will get you terminated.

[Anonymous No.22956262]

>>22956104
There was once 2 peasants named Ivan and Boris. Boris had a goat and Ivan had nothing. One day Ivan came across a lamp with a genie that offered him 1 wish and that he could have anything he wanted in the world. Ivan wished for Boris’s goat to die.

I don’t want sex for pleasure, I want to be a sex haver, with a valuable female. Anyway the book also says that seeing prole whores is an overlooked crime.

[Anonymous No.22956272]

>>22956262
Ivan is silly, he could have wished for more than Boris could even dream of. And yeah none of those are valuable, maybe overlooked if they’re in the party.

[Anonymous No.22956309]

>>22956272
But Katherine was valuable. Say what you want about 1984, was any man emasculated?

[Anonymous No.22956416]

>>22956262
>a parable about an idiot bucket crab
You
>this is the guy I want to be like.
You wouldn't enjoy ohysical sex you're too self-loathing.

[Anonymous No.22956552]

>>22956081
Because it’s mean to foids and commies are natural simps

[Anonymous No.22956581]

>>22955879
>never have to go shopping for groceries
Yeah, instead keep eating like a homeless crackhead the same slop of boiled cabbage that stinks up your entire apartment building.

[Anonymous No.22956595]

>>22956581
My diet consists of oatmeal with flavorless whey, salad greens without dressing, raw carrots broccoli and celery, unseasoned chicken breast, and hard boiled eggs with salt. I already eat without pleasure in order to hope for sex someday.

[Anonymous No.22956628]

>>22955879
Maybe you could make that argument if the party was actually able to provide for its citizens but they live in a bombed out shithole and food shortages are a real problem. You don't have to worry about getting killed by the thought police if you're a prole but you have none of the amenities the inner party has.

[Anonymous No.22956637]

>>22956595
All those things (especially meat) are luxuries reserved only for a handful of top party members of Big Brother. The proles in 1984 survive mostly on boiled cabbage slop, a literal grey stew/goyslop of who knows what, and some dry crusty bread, day in and day out. So if you like 1984's life so much, then start eating these things instead everyday.

[Anonymous No.22956639]

>>22956637
You don’t understand, I would happily switch to that diet for Katherine and $2 prole hookers. My own diet is already geared towards attaining sex, it is not indulgent.

[Anonymous No.22956773]

>>22956639
Except, with a degenerate diet and lifestyle like that, you'd barely produce enough testosterone to get horny and get it up. Then there are health and fitness issues from being malnourished and overworked. You'd age horribly and look and feel 15-20 years older than your actual age. Even if you don't mind all of that, the prostitutes you'd be sticking it in would be just as sickly and probably diseased. So it would be like fucking a meth head.

[Anonymous No.22956787]

>>22956595
Get a bottle of hot sauce dude holy shit.

[Anonymous No.22956808]

I do remember the bit about the proles having a normal life being in there. Everything 1984 talked about already exists and is effectively practiced in many major countries anyways

[Anonymous No.22956811]

Okay I finished the book
>>22956628
That’s the funny thing is they actually did provide for people even though they couldn’t in real life, they had the provisions they just reduced them intentionally ostensibly, he never goes into why they have ration reductions. Orwell is just a communist idiot, he seems to think that communism is this great power that can go wrong if put in evil hands. Like all lefties he doesn’t understand that the laws of economics are as unbeatable as the laws of physics, there seems to be a free market mentioned in the book but clearly orwell didn’t know what a free market actually is and the important of entrepreneurs which couldn’t have existed under these conditions. Even the inner party necessarily suffered for the sake of inequality, as if to defend the leftist notion of equality as an end in itself by making inequality out to be an end in itself.

>>22956773
They ate meat of low quality in the beginning, apparently he ate well in the end after the ministry of love, he grew fat, parsons was a prole and fat. I wouldn’t much like to experience the ministry of love, or the eventual plan to get rid of sex altogether, but in the meantime of winstons life I can’t help but be a bit envious. Sure the book was full of dehumanization but it was curiously lacking in emasculation. Anyway I am not actually arguing for communism in this thread, I took the capitalist transhumanism pill, one day women will be driven extinct by technology and that makes me happy.

[Anonymous No.22956816]

>>22956787
Maybe I will, no extra calories or verboten ingredients I guess. I used to not like spicy because I was a heavy smoker and it ruined my cigarettes, I am a bigger fan of it now that I quit. Don’t want chapped lips though.

[Anonymous No.22956876]

>>22955879
It's not a portrayal of communism. I think you should read Animal Farm first

[Anonymous No.22956880]

>>22956811
>Orwell is just a communist
Wrong

[Anonymous No.22956891]

>>22955879
>People will fall for this troons bait thread.

[Anonymous No.22956894]

>>22956876
>>It's not a portrayal of communism.
The book portrays a totalarian regime, so yes it is monkey.

[Anonymous No.22956969]

>>22956637
I like to imagine Oceania is actually just the area around London that’s in a sort of paused conflict with the rest of the UK so trade and whatnot still happens below the table. The proles clearly don’t live just on slop as there’s the scene where Winston chats with proles going to the country to get black market butter (if that’s the case then there’s a good chance that either A they’re visiting relatives in the UK or B some farms are private/family farms in Oceania). Also there’s the scene where the prole are women fight over copper saucepans. You can boil cabbage in a aluminium mess tin. The oceanian state would not produce saucepans unnecessarily so the proles are probably just cooking from scratch on semi-rationed ingredients like the Russians did under communism.

Btw several goods that England produced lots of in Orwell’s time and is self sufficient in today are hard to come by in 1984, suggesting they don’t control the whole of England. E.g. good quality meat, cooking utensils, (non-synthetic alcohol) and so on.

[Anonymous No.22957008]

>>22956090
You can't count black new world order gay greentexts as books no matter how much you goon to them anon.

[Anonymous No.22957041]

>>22955879
Orwell worked as an informant for the CIA.

[Anonymous No.22957042]

>>22956880
I really don’t care how leftists choose to define themselves, I call them all bigoted utilitiarians