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[Anonymous No.22948102]

Post history books worth reading. I recommend this one for anyone interested in the Early Middle Ages or the Late Antiquity.

[Anonymous No.22948137]

This is more prehistory but still relevant

[Anonymous No.22948150]

I'm currently reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. I started it today and I'm already on p. 100. While it's a little controversial nowadays (for good reason), I'm still loving it and highly recommend it. It is so easy to read.

[Anonymous No.22948279]

>Herodotus
>Thucydides
>Xenophon

What to read next?

[Anonymous No.22948292]

>>22948279
Arrian

[Anonymous No.22948344]

Idk if we're posting memoirs but this one's exceptional. It regularly ping pongs from the cliche "war is hell" tone to some of the wackiest shit you've ever read.

[Anonymous No.22948376]

From when /his/ wasn't such a cesspool

[Anonymous No.22948385]

>>22948376
how many of those have you read in the decade since you first saved this?

[Anonymous No.22948443]

I found it in the archives. I have at least ten of these, most of them from before 2015.

[Anonymous No.22948445]

>>22948385
I found it in the archives. I have at least ten of these, most of them from before 2015.

[Anonymous No.22948470]

This was good. About 400 pages.

[Anonymous No.22948538]

>>22948102
Haven't finished yet but some good stuff.

[Anonymous No.22948550]

>>22948445
so none then

[Anonymous No.22948671]

>>22948279
I'm doing something quite similar right now. Basically
>Plutarch Athens lives
>Thucydides
>Xenophon
>Plutarch Hellenistic lives
>Arrian's Alexander
>Diodorus
Then onto the Roman historians starting with Polybius and Livy

[Anonymous No.22948687]

>>22948102
Redpill me on Runciman’s A History of the Crusades.

[Anonymous No.22948702]

>>22948687
I thought it was fine. Don't get people dicksucking it or bashing it, when it came to the Near East it was an entirely fine narrative history, I've read Barber's Crusader States and I liked it more since it focused a lot more on the politics of the states rather than x y z happened.

[Anonymous No.22948726]

>>22948137
I remember it being kind of dated and speculative-airy

>>22948376
His isn't even a history board anymore, it's like bantpol for caved in head morons. I can't believe a blueboard went to shit so dramatically in such a short period of time. There isn't a regular on there who reads books or even possesses much knowledge of history whatsoever

[Anonymous No.22948795]

>>22948102
Good read for anything post 1950 for Turkey

[Anonymous No.22948802]

previous >>22902531

[Anonymous No.22948876]

>>22948385
I have a bunch of them saved, covering all sorts of periods and cultures, e.g Seleucid Empire, Peloponnesian War, Hanseatic League. Ask and I'll have a look if I have something saved.

[Anonymous No.22949170]

>>22948795
Thanks anon. I've been looking for a book on that exact topic that isn't just focused on Erdogan and the AKP. Any recs for the late Ottoman and Ataturk eras?

[Anonymous No.22949400]

Crucible of War: The Seven Years' War and the Fate of Empire in British North America, 1754-1766

[Anonymous No.22949424]

>>22948279
Plutarch and Suetonius

[Anonymous No.22949428]

>>22948279
Tacitus

[Anonymous No.22949430]

Got this for Christmas and couldn't put it down. Good stuff.

[Anonymous No.22949452]

Recently just finished this. I'm really into architecture and city planning, more than I probably should be, and this book was an interesting review of the ideology of City Beautiful from the Progressive Era. It gets somewhat dry during the latter half, but if you are like me and have been reading a lot into things like Architectural Renewal, Traditionalism, and Neoclassicism, I recommend giving it a read

[Anonymous No.22949936]

>>22948102
The Beginnings of Rome: Italy and Rome from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars (c. 1000-264 BC) by Tim Cornell

I recommend it if you are specially interested in historiography. The author explains clearly how historians know what they know about the early Roman Republic through archeology and other findings. It's not dry at all for an academic book. You can find it on libgen.

[Anonymous No.22950083]

>>22949936
but how do you know he is right?

[Anonymous No.22950102]

interesting

[Anonymous No.22950108]

>>22948385
>>22948376
>>22948726
>>22948876
I made those, I'm still around. I was originally a /lit/ lurker before /his/ was made. I made the pictures from the oxford annotated bibliographies and just put them in picture form

>>22948795
strangely I read this a few years ago lol, funny you posted it.
>>22949170
the book the anon posted actually starts in the late ottoman period and gives a pretty good account of the late ottoman empire and the transition to the Turkish republic

[Anonymous No.22950113]

>>22950108
copies of various oxford bibliographies
https://pastebin.com/u/jonstond2

[Anonymous No.22950263]

A History of Warfare

>Keegan probes the meanings, motivations, methods underlying war in different socities. The author demonstrates how particulr cultures give rise to their own styles of warmaking. Keegan focuses his anlysis on the great changes in military the discoveries of bronze and iron, the tamimg of the horse for chariot and riding, the introduction of gunpowder and the mobilization of science and industry to create the atom bomb.

[Anonymous No.22950672]

>>22948102
it covers history

[Anonymous No.22950717]

Reminder that the dark ages never happened. The calendar was changed and the current year was moved forward by a couple hundred years by Charlemagne. The reason we have so little information from those times is because they never happened.
>inb4 "but what about this text we know was written in the year...!"
Nope, those texts are invariably dated by reference to other texts which are all eventually dated to astrological events that we know happened X years ago. Unfortunately, knowing that a book was written during a comet that happened 1000 years ago, during the year we'd call 1024, does not have any bearing on whether or not that year was 1024 years after 1AD. In fact, we are in the year ~1800 right now.

[Anonymous No.22950727]

>>22949936
>It's not dry at all for an academic book
That's just your interest in the subject speaking
Anyway it seems excellent I just can't get through it

[Anonymous No.22950738]

>>22950263
Thought this was boring

[Anonymous No.22951423]

>>22950717
You can't even get the meme right it was Otto III not Charlemagne and that entire phantom time theory is retarded.

[Anonymous No.22951471]

>>22948102
Is Richard J. Evans “In Defence Of History” a good book?

[Anonymous No.22951486]

>>22948795
I have Patrick Kinross’ biography of Ataturk.

[Anonymous No.22951491]

>>22950717
Reality began the second I was born and you cannot prove otherwise

[Anonymous No.22951669]

>>22948687
It's good. Modern historians are just seething because Runciman is still the most popular. When your introduction to your crusader book begins with muh runciman you know you have issues

[Anonymous No.22952102]

Some interesting stuff about the Jews, and 18th-19th century Europe in general.

[Anonymous No.22952750]

>>22951491
It began the moment I began to perceive this present moment actually

[Anonymous No.22952968]

Currently reading Diplomacy by Kissinger, quite a fascinating read whose early part goes over much of the history of inter-state relations, while jumping from period to period. I'd eagerly recommend it to anyone interested in the general history of American foreign policy or just international politics in general.

[Anonymous No.22952980]

>>22948102
>"illuminating the dark ages"
Lol there were no "dark" ages. Total myth.

[Anonymous No.22952985]

>>22952980
He calls it a 'radical material simplification'

[Anonymous No.22953294]

Any books based on the bronze/iron/early medieval period? I've read quite alot and I'm looking for recommendations on the topic, I'm okay with anything, as long as it's set in one of those periods. Thanks in advance...

[Anonymous No.22953448]

Any other history books that read like a thriller?

[Anonymous No.22953452]

>>22951471
No one?

[Anonymous No.22953949]

>>22949400
This was very good

[Anonymous No.22953955]

>>22953448
God that's such a good book.

[Anonymous No.22954399]

Anything pseudo-realistic with greater scope, like Bakker or Martin?

[Anonymous No.22955162]

>>22952102
Ah an educated Jew, like Karl Marx himself.
>Imagine believing a jew.

[Anonymous No.22955332]

>>22948102
I just finished reading "The evolution of weapons and warfare". Overall I liked it, it was very through and included detailed descriptions of 'new' technology, a lot of important European battles and how groundbreaking tactics were formed. Due to the scope he did repeat himself a few times at certain points.

>>22948137
This one I didnt like. It was based around debunking a preconceived notion that didnt exist in the scientific community.
>CONCLUSION:It’s time for researchers in the human sciences to shrug off the chains of dogmas like evolutionary stasis and “psychic unity.”

[Anonymous No.22955652]

Edge of Empire: Lives, Culture, and Conquest in the East, 1750-1850

[Anonymous No.22956564]

[Anonymous No.22956641]

>>22948102

[Anonymous No.22956878]

>>22953448
It's a memoir, not a history book but Shake Hands With the Devil by Romeo Dallaire definitely feels like a thriller. You've got some Kafka-esque elements too with how he recalls dealing with the post-Cold War U.N. bureaucracy while there's an ongoing genocide.

[Anonymous No.22956899]

>>22948102
this is arguably the best book on gnosticism you can read, not because of its accuracy, which modern historians would dispute, just the opposite in fact. this book is the best work on Gnosticism to understand it's influence on the "modern" occult (the last century). The way this guy understands gnosticism is the way that all the spiritual movements of the last century did, or rather wish they did. Most people like Crowley and Blavatsky derived their spirituality in large part from the kinds of ideas elucidated in this book. In this regard it's one of the most advanced texts you can read in the realm of modern occultism.

[Anonymous No.22956997]

No one has posted Carlyle yet... He completely changed my appreciation for history writing. A latter-day bard.

[Anonymous No.22957003]

Why are /lit/ his recs always better than /his/ his recs

[Anonymous No.22957204]

>>22952980
Come on, he was obviously aiming for that wordplay.

[Anonymous No.22957222]

>>22955332
Wasn't the crossbow invented in China in 400 BC? Why does that say 1100?

[Anonymous No.22957299]

>>22952102
>trusting a single word a jew says about jews

Never gonna make it. Might as well ask a bird to ornithologically describe itself.

[Anonymous No.22957333]

Any good recommendations concerning the Religious Wars?

[Anonymous No.22957363]

>>22957333
Which ones?

[Anonymous No.22957381]

>>22956641
I have that wishlisted

[Anonymous No.22957384]

>>22957363
The 16th and 17th century European ones (mainly France, England and Germany).

[Anonymous No.22957421]

>>22953294
I haven't read these books yet, so I don't know if or how good they are, but anyway, have some titles. Hopefully you'll find something interesting.

History and the Homeric Iliad (Denys L. Page)
Greece in the making, 1200-469 B.C (Robin Osborne)
Women in Mycenaean Greece (Barbara A. Olsen)
Competition in the Ancient World (Nick Fisher, Hans van Wees)
The Mycenaean World (John Chadwick)
The Sumerians (Samuel Noah Kramer)

[Anonymous No.22957432]

>>22957384
Christendom Destroyed: Europe 1517-1648 by Mark Greengrass

[Anonymous No.22957439]

>>22957003
/his/ has turned into a shithole fill of /pol/ nutjobs and dumb religion fuckery

[Anonymous No.22957540]

>>22957432
Nice, thank you!

[Anonymous No.22957589]

any multivolume books about the ww1 eastern front?

[Anonymous No.22957592]

[Anonymous No.22957881]

The Command of the Ocean: A Naval History of Britain 1649-1815

[Anonymous No.22957899]

>>22953448

[Anonymous No.22959140]

>>22955162
>>22957299
Come now, don't be like that.

[Anonymous No.22959439]

>>22953448
In Cold Blood

[Anonymous No.22959550]

This is quite good, currently reading it

[Anonymous No.22959557]

Anyone know of anything written in colonial or revolutionary war era America? I'd like to read some firsthand accounts. Was thinking of starting with the autobiography of Ben Franklin.

[Anonymous No.22959769]

>>22956641
>>22957381
I really enjoyed it. Well written and researched.

[Anonymous No.22960159]

Beyond a basic summary (easily found on Wikipedia) there's no point to reading a /his/ book written after 1900. Read the primary sources or forever remain a pleb.

[Anonymous No.22960164]

>>22960159
in your opinion, fag

[Anonymous No.22960184]

>>22960164
there is no refutation to what I just said, buddy.

[Anonymous No.22960195]

>>22960184
I just did, dickhead

[Anonymous No.22960208]

>>22960195
Give me one good reason to read a modern narrative over the sources it draws from.

[Anonymous No.22960217]

>>22960159
I know this is bait, but archaeological findings, linguistics and genetic studies have made an impact on the way we understand the historical events documented in the primary sources. These necessitate re-interpretations and therefore new secondary materials.
Also, setting the point arbitrarily around 1900 would leave out a lot of good narrative histories composed around the mid-century, plus leaving out historiographical developments like macrohistory as popularized by the Annales school.

[Anonymous No.22960239]

>>22960217
Not bait at all. The fields of archeology linguistics and genetics are rife with Semitics as are all of the fields of the 1900s. The reinterpretations are purposeful misinterpretations.

[Anonymous No.22960250]

>>22948150
Why is it controversial nowadays?

[Anonymous No.22960275]

[Anonymous No.22960279]

>>22960208
different viewpoints and different thoughts can contribute greatly to a readers experience when learning about a piece of history. both modern and old sources should be read because they both have value in their own ways.

[Anonymous No.22960291]

>>22948279
Don't forget Polybius

[Anonymous No.22960303]

>>22960275
Based Braudel enjoyer. I find that sometimes Braudel takes too long to get to the point, but reading him once changes how you view history.

Any other good material from the Annales School out there which has already been translated?

[Anonymous No.22960304]

>>22960279
The modern viewpoint has homogenized into just one. The multiplicity of watered-down midwit books will water down your mind into a confused state, as yours clearly is now.

[Anonymous No.22960391]

Are there any books that do a good job explaining the worlds fairs?
I have an incredibly hard time wrapping my mind around how just about every city pulled off creating these massive complexes of majestic architecture.
Why,how so fast, why did they then tear it down into nothing immediately after?

[Anonymous No.22960451]

>>22960391
Greenhalgh, Paul (1988). Ephemeral Vistas: The Expositions Universelles, Great Exhibitions and World's Fairs, 1851–1939.
https://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=06FAEE5C35FE8FCEC09BAA3381A9C37B

[Anonymous No.22961003]

[Anonymous No.22961118]

Any books regarding cults/secret societies/etc...?

[Anonymous No.22961122]

>>22957421
Thank you SO,so,so much! I'll get to reading them all eventually, I'm LOVING "The Sumerians" by Samuel Kramer you have listed. Thank you!

[Anonymous No.22961123]

>>22948102
Opinions on Hippolyte Taine and his French Revolution writings?

[Anonymous No.22961158]

>>22961118
Tons of them. You should be more specific. Read about Ant Hill Kids, for example.

[Anonymous No.22961251]

Has anyone read Will Durant's Story of Civilization series? I'm thinking of starting it, but am also intimidated by its length, so I'm wondering if anyone can give me some thoughts

[Anonymous No.22961260]

>>22961251
You can try it as audiobooks. I have listened to the 2nd and 3rd volumes, they are good.

[Anonymous No.22961277]

>>22948102
I read this one a year or two ago. Can confirm that it's a great read if you are interested in the fall of the Roman empire and early Middle Ages.
>>22948150
Another great book.
I am currently reading pic related and it really gets into the details of the SS. I'm only a little over a third of the way through it though.

[Anonymous No.22961279]

>>22961251
The general rule is that the earlier titles are better, since Durant benefited from a bit more editorial oversight, while in later titles he's basically given free rein and as a result they suffer from bloat. Our Oriental Heritage is serviceable. The best in the series by far are The Life of Greece, Caesar and Christ and The Age of Faith. The Renaissance is fine, but one gets the sense that it's just a bunch of vignettes based on things Durant saw on a trip to Italy. The Reformation is bloated but captures some of the pathos in the earlier titles. The Age of Reason Begins is meh. I ended up dropping everything from The Age of Louis XIV onward at some point during my reading.

[Anonymous No.22961284]

>>22960159
You do realize there's thousands of different sources in different languages, many of which don't exist in that form in anymore, for something like medieval history or Chinese history? The point of reading a history book is that the author has read the primary sources and research and countless other obscure books on the same topic (from a library which people did not have access to in 1900) and they have condensed their expertise into a book for (you), the layman. This is because as much as you want to believe you're an expert you're not. You have not read 100 books on the 16th century, but many of the definitive authors of books on the 16th century have. All the history books I read have massive bibliographies and further reading lists at the end of them because the author put so much research into this one book.
This would be like telling a CEO to read every single data point in every single spreadsheet across a conglomerate company. They hire sub managers with entire teams under them to compile the data and bring them the main points because there is literally not enough time on this earth for one person to do all that.

[Anonymous No.22961290]

>>22961251
The Durants write beautifully, but their work is outdated and below modern academic standards, specially the earlier volumes. Unless you're interested in Western art history or have any other particular reason, they're not worth reading.

[Anonymous No.22961297]

>>22961284
complete and utter delusion

[Anonymous No.22961312]

>>22960159
Remarkably stupid, truly. Nigger.

[Anonymous No.22961313]

>>22961122
I'm really glad you like it, anon, I hope you'll enjoy the rest as well. I hope I will too.

[Anonymous No.22961350]

>>22961297
Completely and utterly BTFO

[Anonymous No.22961797]

>>22960217
>wooow muh hecking science means some jew understands old events better than the people who lived it!

[Anonymous No.22961820]

>>22961797
Yeah Herodotus was definitely 100% telling the truth about everything he recorded with no agenda whatsoever

[Anonymous No.22961836]

>>22961797
Do you think Jews just materialised after 1900? Do you think people, even those who lived during certain events, wrote everything completely unbiased? I hope you're not only not reading anything written post-1900, but are actually living like pre-1900. So get off the internet unless you are trolling, in which case it's an absurd form of trolling anyway.

[Anonymous No.22961887]

>>22961836
an animal cannot lie, for it knows not how.

[Anonymous No.22962096]

>>22948102
What makes a history book outdated?

[Anonymous No.22962571]

>>22962096
the year it was published

[Anonymous No.22962596]

>>22950108
So have you actually read those books, or did you put them on the list without reading them?

[Anonymous No.22963652]

>>22961251
Terrible narrative history that wikipedia does a better job of. At the very least, his coverage of Late Antiquity is utterly horrendous.

[Anonymous No.22963852]

history book recommendation about printing press? I'm currently interested in the subject

[Anonymous No.22964659]

[Anonymous No.22964943]

>>22956899
checked and based, i read lacarriere's été grec and chemin faisant and they were extremely comfy

[Anonymous No.22965086]

>>22960275
Currently reading this and it’s comfy as fuck. He spends like 40 pages talking about wheat and 60+ pages talking about population statistics and its real influences. Absolutely kino

[Anonymous No.22965271]

>>22960303
>Any other good material from the Annales School
Not from the Annalistes but try Victor Lieberman's "Strange Parallels." And the work it superseded, Reid's "Southeast Asia in the Age of Commerce."

[Anonymous No.22965463]

>>22960159
>>22961797
Hey what primary sources am I supposed to read to get information like this >>22965086
:)

[Anonymous No.22965627]

>>22965463
NTA; you read sources such as picrel, which is, specifically, "Price of Edibles and Potables in A.D. 1506," W.H. Sykes (1864), and is as close in that particular case to the primary source as you can get, the original bill of the Salters' Company having likely been lost.

You read bills of fare that survived in archives or were excavated as archaeological evidence. You read the records of medieval royal customs, you read account books kept by courts, monasteries, universities, hospitals, &c — these institutions typically recorded what they spent on commodities and on labor.

You read the fragments found in the Cairo Genizah and other similar archives of everyday documents. You read literally every piece of writing from your time period that you can get your hands on, and scour it for any mention of prices. An example can be seen in "Grain Prices and Grain Markets in the Roman World" by Rathbone (2011; via Temin's "Roman Market Economy"), where he cites what we have of Tacitus's writing:
>Tacitus, Ann. 2.87
>Shortage, Tiberius sets maximum price [maybe something like HS 8 per
modius?], and pays merchants compensation of 2 nummi (HS) per modius

Economic history is real history.

[Anonymous No.22965634]

>>22965271
NTA, but thanks for the recs

[Anonymous No.22965766]

>>22961118
Webb, Occult Underground
Wilson, The Occult

[Anonymous No.22965770]

>>22961290
>>22963652

[Anonymous No.22965810]

>>22965627
Give me a list of good economic histories

[Anonymous No.22965907]

>>22965627
Interesting. It was a really a rhetorical question for that other anon, who seems to think everyone should read all these records instead of a book that has done that with a keen researcher's lens. Many of these things are not readily available on the internet, especially not for free, and the original anon expects people to just read countless accounting logs and other minutia instead of thoroughly researched books that did that for you.
There's so much more to understanding history than what the predominant chronicler of the era recorded the kings and generals doing.

[Anonymous No.22965970]

>>22965907
that's why i love these /history/ generals.
even the a bait post generates quality replies.

[Anonymous No.22966222]

>>22962596
Without reading them, there is no way I could physically read all of the books I put in the lists. I just collated the book entries written from the bibliographies and put them in a categories I thought might be appealing to beginners on a subject. If anons want to read the bibliographies directly I usually posted the link in the past. But given that this is an image board, I posted them in picture format so other anons would have to do the least work possible looking for books on historical topics I thought people might find appealing.

[Anonymous No.22966235]

>>22966222
https://imgur.com/a/7YLKv
list of picture charts btw, many of which are mine, but quite a few that are not

[Anonymous No.22966258]

>>22966235
great man

[Anonymous No.22966303]

[Anonymous No.22966426]

>>22966258
Is that quote real?

[Anonymous No.22966943]

>>22962096
The ideology it represents.

[Anonymous No.22967110]

>>22962096
Or emergence of new evidences (archeological, open archives, etc), new scientific/philosophical methods of inquiry, widening of field of concomitant researches.

Which ideology did the Pirenne's thesis represent, for example?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_and_Charlemagne

[Anonymous No.22967734]

>>22960275
What is the thought process behind that cover? It's taken from a famous painting of Icarus falling into the sea, except they cropped out Icarus

[Anonymous No.22968062]

>>22967734
It seems very obvious to me, you already gave half of the answer: this is a book about everyday life in Early Modern Europe, so they took a painting from renaissance Italy (presumably) in which Icarus falls from the sky and cropped out Icarus, leaving the peasants and landscape below, they are out there working the field, Icarus is not an everyday man nor is his life that of an everyday man, but these people below him, shown by the painter, are. The book is not about the heroes and kings of history and myth but about these people that can only gaze upwards in amazement or awe, while they themselves are living their lives in an entirely different but nonetheless important way. The cover is very suitable for that purpose.

[Anonymous No.22968068]

>>22948102
Books focused on Mid to Late Middle Ages? Also interest in early medieval monarchy.

[Anonymous No.22968094]

>>22961251
For their time they were good books for a general audience but for anyone seriously into history they are very outdated and shoddily researched even compared to books that are a hundred or even hundreds of years older than his. Modern historical writing can often seem very gay and sterile but if it's well researched it still gives you a much stronger foundation and essentially everything pre 2000 is completely free from all this constant 'gender' or race crap - which I am not against entirely, I just hate when historians try to poorly lecture their readers on 'wrong think'. If historians expect their audience to be sub 100 IQ midwits who only want to read mysoginist and outwardly racist drivel then they should not write at all. Sorry for the tangent.

[Anonymous No.22968101]

>>22968068
What do you consider late Middle Ages? 1200s?

[Anonymous No.22968191]

>>22968101
Anything after the Hundred Years War is the Age Of Reason to me

[Anonymous No.22968221]

>>22967110
You'd almost certainly be called an islamophobe for suggesting it nowadays...

[Anonymous No.22968243]

>>22968068
Making of Europe by Bartlett and Autumn of the Middle Ages by Huizinga

King's Two Bodies by Kantorowicz

Sacred Touch by Bloch

Fiefs and Vassals / Kingdoms and Communities by Reynolds

Anything by Duby

[Anonymous No.22968394]

>>22968068
>early medieval monarchy.
Charlemagne's practice of Empire for administration of Charlemagne and his son Louis
Paths to Kingship in Medieval Latin Europe, c. 950–1200 isn't exactly the same but it's the period just after
Byzantium in the Iconoclast Era, C. 680-850 for Byzantium. They are pretty focused on the administrative and religious part of Empire

[Anonymous No.22968402]

>>22968221
non-sequitur rhetorical device to generate outrage among the masses

[Anonymous No.22968858]

what is /lit/'s opinion on Isaac Asimov history books?

[Anonymous No.22968888]

any good books about late 19th-early 20th century america? really interest in this period

[Anonymous No.22968890]

>>22968888
also I think this painting is older than the period I was describing but I just used it cuz it looked nice

[Anonymous No.22968903]

>>22968888
How early? Allen, "Only Yesterday" is the 1920s.

[Anonymous No.22968966]

>>22968903
I'd say maybe post-civil war to 1940s would work. Large period I know but I would read any book no matter how small a period it covers within this frame.

[Anonymous No.22969303]

Any based American History books? Bonus points if before 1940's.

[Anonymous No.22969374]

>>22969303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_History_of_the_United_States

[Anonymous No.22969376]

>>22969374
The book on the gilded age is pozzed though.

[Anonymous No.22969387]

>>22969376
You can read "American Colossus: The Triumph of Capitalism, 1865-1900" by H.W. Brands instead. Or whatever you find.

[Anonymous No.22969448]

>>22948102
Thoughts on psychohistory?

[Anonymous No.22969474]

> By the end of the 1930s, there were hundreds of paid Soviet agents working inside the US government (either 221, according to contemporary Soviet records, or 329, according to the Venona decrypts), from the Departments of Agriculture and State to the Treasury and the US Army. Then there were the seventy-five-plus spies and informants working under Stalin’s spy leader, Shumovsky, who stepped up his activities still further after US recognition of the USSR allowed many Soviet nationals to operate perfectly legally under diplomatic cover. In 1935, Shumovsky brought a team of Soviet aviation experts large enough to occupy seven cars—led by Stalin’s most brilliant aircraft designer, Andrey Tupolev—on an open buying expedition of US aviation factories; Stalin gave Tupolev $600,000 to spend as he saw fit. Shumovsky’s penetration of US aviation was so thorough that, by 1938, a disgruntled American aeronautical engineer informed the US air attaché in London that “the Russian government has agents in practically all American [aircraft] factories.”
The absolute state of Roosevelt's government

[Anonymous No.22969592]

>>22969376
What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.22969686]

>>22969376
I've read criticisms about that volume too.

[Anonymous No.22970265]

Agincourt: Henry V and the Battle That Made England - Juliet Barker

>Battle of Agincourt, (October 25, 1415)Battle resulting in the decisive victory of the English over the French in the Hundred Years’ War. In pursuit of his claim to the French throne, Henry V invaded Normandy with an army of 11,000 men in August 1415. The English took Harfleur in September, but with their forces cut in half by battle and disease, they resolved to return to England. At Agincourt they were cornered by a French army of 20,000–30,000 men, including many mounted knights in heavy armor. On a cramped battlefield where the superior French numbers offered little advantage, Henry made skillful use of his lightly equipped, mobile archers. The French were disastrously defeated, losing over 6,000 men, while the English lost fewer than 450

[Anonymous No.22970324]

>>22948137
> smaller brains
> npc troglodytes
> slopification
More like it lead to human devolution

[Anonymous No.22970348]

>>22969303
Henry Adams on Jefferson's and Madison's presidencies.

[Anonymous No.22970480]

Recommendations for the World Wars? I’ve never been much into history and I want to start working on that

[Anonymous No.22970628]

>>22970480
Start with picrel.

[Anonymous No.22970676]

>>22970480
B. H. Liddell Hart

[Anonymous No.22970681]

>>22970480
This >>22948150

[Anonymous No.22971299]

>>22970676
kinda nuts this stuff actually happened

[Anonymous No.22971346]

What's the point of this general when it's the same posts every single time?

[Anonymous No.22971620]

>>22948102
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/3131472
/lit/ what is your verdict?

[Anonymous No.22971730]

I'm about to start this. Been reading much German Fiction and non-ficiton but this will be the first book that digs in to the history of Prussia.

[Anonymous No.22971752]

>>22971346
What's the point of these posts when it's the same posts every single time?

[Anonymous No.22972013]

>>22965766
>>22961158
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

[Anonymous No.22972336]

Any good Russian/Eastern Europe history books?

[Anonymous No.22972400]

>>22970480
start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.22972850]

any books about the finnish civil war

[Anonymous No.22973449]

>>22972336
>Eastern Europe
By country:

Orest Subtelny - Ukraine: A History (2009)
Paul Robert Magocsi - History of Ukraine: The Land and Its Peoples (2010)

Andrew Savchenko - Belarus: A Perpetual Borderland (2009)

Michael North, Kenneth Kronenberg - The Baltic: A History (2015)
Andrejs Plakans - A Concise History of the Baltic States (2011)
Eidintas Alfonsas, Bumblauskas Alfredas, Kulakauskas Antanas, Tamošaitis Mindaugas - The history of Lithuania (2015)

Norman Davies - God’s Playground: A History of Poland (2005)
William Fiddian Reddaway - The Cambridge History of Poland (1978)

Jaroslav Pánek, Oldřich Tůma - A History of the Czech Lands (2019)

Stanislav J. Kirschbaum - A History of Slovakia: The Struggle for Survival (2005)

Bryan Cartledge - The Will to Survive: A History of Hungary (2011)

Keith Hitchins - A Concise History of Romania (2014)

Rebecca Haynes - Moldova: A History-I.B. Tauris (2020)

R. J. Crampton - A Concise History of Bulgaria (2006)

[Anonymous No.22974186]

>>22973449
No Russia? Also disappointed no Bitter Glory in Poland section.

[Anonymous No.22974288]

>>22966222
>>22966235
So, he didn't read them. Would explain why there's so many shitty meme recomendations like Tom Holland, who is not a historian, but a journalist who writes pop history books from time to time

[Anonymous No.22974290]

>>22974186
that post is so dog shit is probably b8
"History of Ukraine" lmao

[Anonymous No.22974295]

>>22974288
Pop <Thing> is valid as long as it is correct.

[Anonymous No.22974340]

>>22974295
It's not just about him writing pop history. He isn't a historian in any shape or form, he didn't study history nor methods used by historians in their works. That's a problem especially when working with sources. He's been criticized for overinterpreting sources or taking unreliable sources at face value (very common mistake among those who aren't college educated in history). He may be largely correct when it comes to basic objective facts, but anything below the surface level is guaranteed to have unacceptable mistakes.

[Anonymous No.22974342]

>>22974290
pidorashka pls. russia is not a country.

[Anonymous No.22974353]

>>22948385
Got me good anon. None of them but the effort was worth saving. Something like this does take a true labor of love.

[Anonymous No.22974355]

>>22974340
Cite these unacceptable mistakes.

[Anonymous No.22974385]

>>22974186
>No Russia?
Why do you want to learn a history of the semi-fictional state, which only exists because the West, China and India give it money for its oil and gas?

[Anonymous No.22974413]

>>22974355
I don't keep a list, but there are some well known egregious examples, like him talking about the impact of destruction of the holy sepulchre on all christians, but using only a historical account of one monk. And that one was pretty misleading, because Holland tried to prove that all christians suddenly became hysterical and were worried about the future, which is obviously not true. Most christians probably didn't even hear about it, or didn't even know Jesus died in the Middle East. Most uneducated people at the time would assume Jesus lived somwhere in Europe, if they even were aware about the continent they lived on and not just their closest region. There's no sources about elites reacting any differently, in fact there's not many sources about people's reaction to that particular event, so basing your entire argument on one source that's clearly biased isn't a good look, even for a pop history book.

[Anonymous No.22974424]

>>22970480
To Hell and Back: Europe 1914-1949 - Ian Kershaw

[Anonymous No.22974435]

>>22974355
There was also a controversy when he claimed Quran was developed over the years based on slim evidence and ignoring evidence to the contrary. Even anons on /lit/ have their own reservations towards him, when he tried to disprove pagan origins of the Holy Grail, also using questionable and insufficient sources (>>/lit/thread/22264500))

[Anonymous No.22974457]

Highly enjoyed this book, as well as Tom Holland's "In the Shadow of the Sword" (whose cover I will post in response).

Are there any other books that can give me a real idea or understanding of the Islamic world, and how Islam plays a part in it politically and culturally? Thnaks.

[Anonymous No.22974474]

>>22974457

[Anonymous No.22974484]

>>22974474
There is the same title with a subtitle "In the Shadow of the Sword: The Battle for Global Empire and the End of the Ancient World" instead of your "In the Shadow of the Sword: The Birth of Islam and the Rise of the Global Arab Empire". Are they the same books?

[Anonymous No.22974502]

>>22974484
Holland's book also talks out how the Islamic revolution ended the ancient world, so yes, I have to assume so.

I listened to the Audiobook for both books, both have good narrators (although you might want to read the book for Holland's book, due to the narrative).

[Anonymous No.22974506]

>>22974484
>>22974502
Yes, same book.

[Anonymous No.22974714]

Please don't post pop history and books written by irresponsible journalists.

That's not history at all.

[Anonymous No.22974933]

>>22974714
Well then nigga recommend me some better books.

[Anonymous No.22974952]

>>22960239
Genetics are open source and you can analyze them yourself with the same tools labs use, and force the authors to retract a paper or correct it.
Cope

[Anonymous No.22974996]

>>22948102
Is it easier to learn history starting at a point in time and going forward? Or going backwards from now?

[Anonymous No.22975024]

>>22974996
It is easiest to learn by reading what interests you :)

[Anonymous No.22975041]

>>22974288
>So, he didn't read them.
I am not the one who made the ones with Tom Holland, lol. It seems like you are just trying to pick a fight, honestly.

[Anonymous No.22975044]

>>22975041
>I am not the one who made the ones with Tom Holland
Good for you

[Anonymous No.22975049]

This.

One of the most interesting history books I've ever read that I still think about to this day.

[Anonymous No.22975075]

>>22975044
But I still don't see the problem. If a Tom Holland book makes people interested in further history reading, then that is good. tmk the more pop history charts still have decent recs.

[Anonymous No.22975092]

>>22970480
Hitler's War - David Irving

[Anonymous No.22975112]

>>22975092
Funniest thing about David Irving is that there is no historian that can debunk his claims, he probably knows the most about Nazi Germany and the person that knows second most is far behind in knowledge.

So they made him an example

[Anonymous No.22975136]

>>22975092
David Irving is trash.

[Anonymous No.22975140]

>>22975136
>SHUT IT DOWN

[Anonymous No.22975170]

The best what you can find on Russians

[Anonymous No.22975250]

>>22975092
My nigga

[Anonymous No.22975278]

>>22974933
About...?

[Anonymous No.22975281]

>>22974996
Read whatever truly interests you.

[Anonymous No.22975320]

>>22970480
Chester Wilmot’s The Struggle for Europe

[Anonymous No.22975400]

>>22948102
>history books
For fags who need to be feed ideas due to their mental incapability. Real men find primary sources and use their critical reasoning skills to triangulate a picture. Maybe a broad book on theory for gleaning effective executive practices (after confirming their efficacy first hand of course.)

[Anonymous No.22975415]

>>22974996
Forward
>>22975024
>>22975281
Wong answers. thats how you delude yourself into niches following pest theories that MUST be true. Read chronologically and the manifest and evident permutations of causation and iteration expose themselves intuitively and you can cultivate good reflective abilities.

[Anonymous No.22975562]

>>22960250
Probably because the author is a journalist, not a historian, and doesn't try to hide his opinions on the subject matter.

[Anonymous No.22975658]

>>22975400
>primary sources
What if primary sources don't conform with archeological or other (for example, calculated dates of eclipses) evidences?

[Anonymous No.22975706]

>>22975658
>archeological
Proven to be 90% a sham

[Anonymous No.22975738]

[Anonymous No.22975758]

>>22975706
cope. the "read only primary sources" brainlets who pop up in history threads have usually never read primary sources themselves and solipsistic retards who can't admit that they will never be able to read all the relevant historical data and therefore rely on the work of historians. It's the equivalent of wilderness survivalists or preppers but for humanities

[Anonymous No.22975799]

>>22975758
>the seething begins
The moment genetics became a thing archeology was revealed to be bullshit

[Anonymous No.22975834]

>>22975799
oh, it's a haploautist. nothing to see here.

[Anonymous No.22976909]

I got filtered by this. It was so fucking boring I dropped it after 100 pages.

[Anonymous No.22977156]

>>22975799
younger dryas is real
they dont want you to know a bout the cyclical civilizations

[Anonymous No.22977208]

>>22975658
archeology is a primary source. Its a thing that was there. If you take a look at the evidence itself.
>>22975758
Thats me, im the brainlet. I read primary sources all the time. Im reading through the chronicles of Jean Froissart right now.

You are a defeatist. You can read primary sources, and like I said refer to secoundary and tirtiary sorces like theory and overviews as mere secondary reference material. In fact I would encourage it. helps you to be an actual critical human bean. (you are a bad bean, or a bean on its way to badness, I can tell).

[Anonymous No.22977300]

history is whatever i want it to be.
simple as.

[Anonymous No.22977317]

>>22977300
but what if you decide you want it to be something different?

[Anonymous No.22977370]

Any recommendations for books about the reformation or that time period? It doesn't have to be church history/theology related. I want to read about that event with it not being very religiously bent.

[Anonymous No.22977413]

>>22960391
they were giant wooden structures, dont think they were marble or anything. They tore them down once they started to decay and crumble.

[Anonymous No.22977593]

>>22974996
Someone said in parellel but after spending three books on one particular period it gets a tad boring

[Anonymous No.22977762]

>>22975400
incoherent bait

[Anonymous No.22978018]

>>22977370
See >>22957432

[Anonymous No.22978062]

For anyone interested in the Napoleonic period

[Anonymous No.22978117]

Couple this with the "The First European Revolution" by Robert Moore. Together they provide two different (Bartlett is more concerned with military matters, Moore with Religious) but complimentary narratives that Western civilization finds its origins in the middle-ages rather than antiquity.

[Anonymous No.22978489]

>>22948687
what a life

[Anonymous No.22978850]

>>22953448
The Terrible Hours

[Anonymous No.22979064]

>>22948102
Any must read books on japanese history? I dream of a book series like The landmark. At least with maps and illustrations. Same question for chinese history. Bonus for their relation through history. I'm looking for any period but not modern pre 2000 or pre second world war for generalistic books.

[Anonymous No.22979099]

>>22948102
any books on Sea People?

[Anonymous No.22979167]

>>22965810
Power and Plenty
Collapse of Complex Societies

[Anonymous No.22979415]

>>22968858
For me they are a good introduction if you know shit about the period or for young people

[Anonymous No.22979493]

>>22979064
Marius Jansen

[Anonymous No.22979607]

>>22975278
>Destiny Disrupted
>Shadow in the Sword
Along the subject of these books, I guess? Understanding Islam from the outside?

[Anonymous No.22979635]

>>22979099
https://www.scribd.com/document/32209488/Atlantis-the-Mystery-Unraveled-Jurgen-Spanuth-1956-226pgs-CIV

For the schizo version

[Anonymous No.22979787]

>>22979493
Just making of modern japan or other books?
I have some from Edwin O. Reischauer too

[Anonymous No.22979813]

>>22979064
>Any must read books on japanese history
George Samson has a three volume series on the history of japan from the beginning to 1867

[Anonymous No.22979861]

>>22979813
Got them already, watched a lecture where it was talked about. Thanks

[Anonymous No.22979873]

>>22979813
>>22979064
Japan
Tale of Heike - Royall Tyler
Gukanso - medieval buddhist history of japan
Tales of gods and sovereigns - medieval shinto history of japan

Three unifiers
Chronicles of Oda Nobunaga - primary source
War and faith ikko ikki in late.muromachi japan
Hideyoshi - mary elizabeth barry
Japonius Tyrannus oda nobunaga reconsidered
Tokugawa Ieyasu - conrad totman
Karl friday - taira no masakado
Yoritomo and the founding of the first Bakufu

[Anonymous No.22979875]

>>22979873
I'll look into all of them thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.22979884]

>>22979873
TOKUSHI YORON - japanese narrative history written in the tokugawa period about pree tokugawa japan

[Anonymous No.22979887]

The World Turned Upside Down by Pierre Francois Souyri

[Anonymous No.22979898]

I had a vague idea that Israel was created on some questionable principles, but, if true the things reported in the book, it's even worse than I thought, and I don't think there will ever be peace without both sides compromising a lot.

[Anonymous No.22979899]

>>22979887
I read Pierre Francois Souyri in french, I have 3 of his books I didn't know he was popular for international readers.

[Anonymous No.22979909]

>>22979899
He's the only one who talks about muromachi japan

[Anonymous No.22979910]

>>22979899
This is just a typical case of a book existing in another language which has no analogue in English and thus it is translated into English

[Anonymous No.22979913]

>>22979898
>if true the things reported
Did you know MLK was a criminal? It's true, he was arrested multiple times and was locked up in jail.

[Anonymous No.22979938]

>>22979910
There's no medieval overview of japan written in english really? I really enjoyed the french version of the book that I found in my local library. Bought the "Nouvelle histoire du Japon" a reference for french students in japanese history and culture. There's another book I was looking into about the samourai might be a next purchase too "Les Guerriers dans la rizière"

[Anonymous No.22979939]

>>22979913
Well, I don't think I've phrased it the best way possible as to say what is my take on it. I do believe it's true, specially considering the recent events.

[Anonymous No.22979956]

>>22979939
The point is that it's very easy to mislead with selective reporting and true statements such as "MLK was a criminal." Pappé isn't neutral, he's pro-Arab.

[Anonymous No.22979979]

>>22979956
I did notice some contempt for the Israeli society, but it doesn't seem to be unjustified. Given the expulsion of the natives and subsequent expropation of land, it doesn't seem to me unwarranted to call Israel a den of thieves. But that might be my "third worldism".

[Anonymous No.22980002]

>>22979938
Kamakura and Muromachi japan (excluding sengoku jidai) tend to be overlooked in english sources

[Anonymous No.22980020]

>>22980002
I didn't know that thank you. Is there a known reason for it? Is it true in other languages?

[Anonymous No.22980031]

>>22980020
I have no idea why. Like there are monographs about those periods but they tend to be narrow in scope. Luckily George Samson is very good but it would be nice to have more

[Anonymous No.22980041]

If only this was on libgen...
The guy who wrote this was a key figure in the southern court in the nanbokucho period

[Anonymous No.22980046]

>>22980020
Muromachi has some stuff but Kamakura has jackshit. I count the ones I know of with one hand

[Anonymous No.22980153]

>>22979064
I've had this sitting on my shelf for a few years now. Looked interesting, but I haven't got around to reading it yet so I'm not sure if it's any good. Maybe someone else can chime in.

[Anonymous No.22980174]

>>22975799
Some of it, not all
>>22975834
Haplos are like 1% of genetics and mostly useless. They were known for decades and people thought they reflect "mixed populations"

[Anonymous No.22980191]

>>22979064
>Same question for chinese history.
This

[Anonymous No.22980198]

>>22979064
>Same question for chinese history
This

[Anonymous No.22980269]

Sengoku Jidai. Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, and Ieyasu: Three Unifiers of Japan

The Onin War: History of Its Origins and Background

>>22980191
China
Cambridge histories are good in general.

Pre-Han and Han
Grand Scribes Records - William H. Nienhauser (records of the grand historian)
Fire over Luoyang
Imperial Warlord – A Biography of Cao Cao 155-220 AD

5D10K and Song
Richard Davis Historical Records of the Five Dynasties
Peter Lorge the Reunification of China

Yeah I haven't read too much of China

[Anonymous No.22980275]

How does find information of new history books. I hate searching individual publishers and their clunky websites

[Anonymous No.22980292]

>>22980275
it depends on your area of interest.
perhaps you can follow academic experts of that topic and check what they are working on.

[Anonymous No.22980303]

>>22980292
Scholarly publications have reviews of new books in their field. Not sure where exactly you'd look for this in the case of history though.

[Anonymous No.22980306]

>>22980303
also meant for >>22980275, sorry

[Anonymous No.22980309]

>>22980303
>Not sure where exactly you'd look for this in the case of history though.
I just occasionally browse the sites of history book publishers

[Anonymous No.22980327]

>>22980309
usually edinburgh university press
and bloomsbury

[Anonymous No.22980348]

>>22980309
>>22980327
I googled "history scholarly publication with book reviews"
This came up: https://libguides.princeton.edu/history/bookreviews
A similar google search would probably suffice to find similar guides for other major fields - there's also probably some more centralized and streamlined way of finding this sort of information but this way usually works with a bit of effort.

[Anonymous No.22980396]

Any good recommendations about major disasters?

[Anonymous No.22980428]

>>22956564
>beaglehole

[Anonymous No.22980466]

>>22980348
>https://libguides.princeton.edu/history/bookreviews
most of those links are behind this. you're better just noting down the most common publishers

[Anonymous No.22980473]

>>22966426
Anything is real if you can imagine it hard enough

[Anonymous No.22980478]

Why is /history/ always the comfiest, most on-topic thread on /lit/ that actually discusses books?

[Anonymous No.22980479]

>>22980478
because /his/ is a shit board

[Anonymous No.22980486]

For me, it’s Numa Denis Fustel de Coulanges.

[Anonymous No.22980492]

>>22980479
That doesn't explain why it's consistently the only /lit/ thread that isn't a meme fest

[Anonymous No.22980505]

>>22980466
No idea what you’re doing to get that but the last four links all seem to work just fine, with Isis and History: Reviews of New Books you can try finding titles that look interesting in the table of contents and then seeing if you can get it through scihub or anna’s archive. The publisher thing seems fine desu but this way you get a more in-depth, less biased take on the book in addition to casting a wide net within the given subdiscipline.

[Anonymous No.22980559]

>>22980269
>>22980041
>>22979873
>>22979813
More Japan

>Heian (classical antiquity)
Insei Abdicated sovereigns in the politics of late heian japan 1086-1185

Suguwara no Mizhizane and the early heian court

Imperial politics and symbolics in ancient japan - the tenmu dynasty 650-800

Yoritomo and the founding of the kamakura bakufu

Karl Friday is an expert on the early samurai (for lack of a better word)

>Medieval and Early Modern
In Little Need of Divine Intervention: Takezaki Suenaga's Scrolls of the Mongol Invasions of Japan

H paul varley - Kenmu restoration
Japans Renaissance the Politics of the Muromachi Bakufu

A sense of place _ the political landscape in late medieval Japan

Chris Glenn - The Battle of Sekigahara_ The Greatest, Bloodiest, Most Decisive Samurai Battle Ever

Conrad Totman - The Green Archipelago_ Forestry in Pre-Industrial Japan-University of California Press (1989) - why Japan is such a green place. Much of the forests and other greenery were destroyed and only restored in the early modern period

John Ferejohn, Frances Rosenbluth - War and State Building in Medieval Japan-Stanford University Press (2010)

John W. Hall - Japan in the Muromachi Age-University of California Press (1977)

Minoru Shinoda - The Founding of the Kamakura Shogunate 1180–1185. With Selected Translations from the Azuma Kagami

Re-visioning _Kamakura_ Buddhism -- Payne, Richard Karl

Robert E. Morrell - Early Kamakura Buddhism_ A Minority Report

Samuel Hawley - The Imjin War_ Japan's Sixteenth-Century Invasion of Korea and Attempt to Conquer China

The Origins of Japan’s Medieval World _ Courtiers, Clerics, -- Jeffrey P. Mass

Archeology
Himiko and Japan's Elusive Chiefdom of Yamatai: Archaeology, History, and Mythology

Sacred Texts and Buried Treasures Issues in the historical archeology of Ancient Japan


Buddhism
Foundation of Japanese Buddhism (Vol 1 and Vol 2)

Primary Source Translations
Tales of the Heike (multiple translations avaialble) - Genpei War basically the Iliad of Japan

Kojiki - Heldt Gustav (oldest historical chronicle of japan)

Nihongi - william aston

A Tale of Flowering Fortunes Annals of Japanese Aristocratic Life in the Heian Period

Pillow book - account of heian court

Tale of Genji - similar to above

Tokushi Yoron - Joyce Ackroyd

The history of the fujiwara house (toshi kaden) - mikael bauer

Okagami - Life of Fujiwara Michinaga one of the most powerful nobles in the heian period

Chronicles of Oda Nobunaga - only primary sengoku source in english as far as I'm aware

Taiheki a chronicle of medieval japan - partial translation (12 out of 40 chapters)

The future and the past - a translation and study of gukansho, an interpretative history of japan written in 1219 - medieval japanese chronicle from a buddhist perspective

The Onin War: History of Its Origins and Background with a Selective Translation of the Chronicle of Onin by H. Paul Varley - usually held as start of sengoku jidai

[Anonymous No.22980568]

>>22980559
Japanese Historical Text Initative
https://jhti.berkeley.edu/search%20gateway.html

[Anonymous No.22980575]

>>22980559
>>22980269
>>22980046
>>22980031
>>22980020
>>22980002
>>22979938
>>22979910
>>22979899
>>22979887
>>22979873
>>22979884
>>22979813
Jesus.

[Anonymous No.22980608]

>>22980478
A relatively small subset of readers actually read nonfiction/history books nowadays, so we get a much smaller amount of posers and shitposters than fiction related threads.

[Anonymous No.22980652]

>>22972850
currently reading pic related.
i think most of the books are either in finnish or not available in libgen.
also finnish history books are expensive.
pic related is over $200.

[Anonymous No.22980688]

>>22980559
Ascended weeb, I kneel

[Anonymous No.22981473]

>>22980559
Thank you. As a primary source, I'd add Lady Sarashina's diary for a more "failed" version of the court lady.

[Anonymous No.22981523]

>>22980269
>>22980559
>>22980568
Thank you for all of it just came back to the thread, i'll check them now. Thanks anons

[Cave_Master No.22981546]

>>22980492
Because lots of people enjoy history and the only history board is pure garbage, so anons that actually read history books go elsewhere to discuss their interests

[Anonymous No.22981672]

any definitive book(s) on egyptian history?
i assume it will be volumes of books

[Anonymous No.22982731]

Someone should make a chart for the japan books

[Anonymous No.22982732]

>>22966222
good job nigga, i appreciate u. and thank you for the the list.

[Anonymous No.22982742]

>>22976909
Me too. Wood drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth.

[Anonymous No.22982963]

>>22961820
You chose a weak example. Herodotus wrote what people told him and he made that quite explicit. He never portrayed any of those stories as facts either.

[Anonymous No.22983162]

THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE CONQUEST OF NEW SPAIN BY BERNAL DIAZ

[Anonymous No.22983525]

>>22974952
dna doesn't even exist

[Anonymous No.22984141]

>>22980396
Ghosts of Vesuvius

[Anonymous No.22984350]

>>22978062

Should I read this or Napoleon: A Life?

[Anonymous No.22984390]

>>22970628
I've been trying to get my hands on that one for ages now, but it's either never available or too expensive to order ( for my cheap ass anyway ), is it worth the read?

[Anonymous No.22984397]

Is it possible to get a thread like this going on /his also? Maybe as a beachhead against the polcels and tradcath larpers that have overrun the place? Try to make it somewhat decent, at least to /lit's level (which isn't exactly high itself)

[Anonymous No.22984449]

>>22984397
I've seen a few attempts but those threads always die within a 100 posts, while on /lit/ they regularly hit the bump limit. Problem is the vast majority of /his/ posters have never read a history book in their lives, and I would assume they intend to keep it that way. So its hard to sustain any discussion on a board on like that. Here on /lit/ you at least have people that ready ( or that pretend to read at least) .

[Anonymous No.22984460]

>>22984397
>will you help me turn a cesspool into a reddit cesspool
How about we don't, retard.

[Anonymous No.22984484]

>>22984460
what are you crying about?

[Anonymous No.22984519]

>>22984397
Past attempts have died pretty quickly. The average /his/ poster has never read a book

[Anonymous No.22984530]

>>22984397
This is not a joke, nobody on /his/ reads.

[Anonymous No.22984915]

>>22979167
Expensive but whatever

[Anonymous No.22984957]

>>22984915
No, don't buy those, they aren't worth the money. Good economic histories don't cover more than a limited region in a limited period, this is why you haven't gotten any real recommendations. Big-idea books are always incorrect in the details and often in whether the idea is at all defensible, not unlike Diamond's "Guns and Germs" and other such trash. Hedgehogs in Isaiah Berlin's terms, people who are fans of One Big Theory approaches, don't model the world well nor do they make correct forecasts.

There's Victor Lieberman's "Strange Parallels" but that requires specialist knowledge and is also not really an economic history. Pick a region of interest, perhaps your own if you are European, and search for "economic history of <region>". "The Wages of Destruction" by Tooze on the German economy is one example. Maybe Braudel's "Mediterranean" if you don't mind economic data that is out-of-date (Braudel was working from memory in the 1940s).

If you insist on big ideas, you have to read at least a few books whose authors disagree with each other but are each intelligent and attentive to detail. A possibility for the British Industrial Revolution is the set of Greif, "Institutions and the Path to the Modern Economy" for the brilliant modeling work, Clark, "A Farewell to Alms" (the closest to truth on this list), who criticizes Greif in passing for his failure to consider the underlying genetics, and Mokyr's personality-focused account.

[Anonymous No.22985024]

What does /lit/ think of pic related? I've just started volume V. I'm reading the original editions too.

I like the writing style but am I wasting my time?

[Anonymous No.22985070]

>>22984350
Peninsular War is one long campaign with minimal direct intervention from Nappy personally. Probs want the overall biography first.

[Anonymous No.22985073]

>>22980153
Commodor Perry basically sailed in on metal ships, fired cannons at some random Japanese buildings, and anmounced that Japanese isolation was over. Seems kino, and then you'll understand the Japanese ramp up under the Meiji restoration, and how it led to their 20th century situation

[Anonymous No.22985105]

>>22985024
>I like the writing style but am I wasting my time?
No. Even if they aren't 100% representative of modern scholarship they still contain many of the ideas, or at least were part of the debate which did inspire the ideas of today. They are also a competent complete narrative of the periods they cover.

[Anonymous No.22985214]

>>22984350
Yes

[Anonymous No.22985358]

>>22960391
Exposing The Expositions 1851-1915: Ancient Rome in America?
by Howdie Mickoski

trust me bro you will learn a lot from this book

[Anonymous No.22985365]

>>22965810
MITI and the Japanese Miracle - Chalmers Johnson

[Anonymous No.22985767]

>>22948687
This is looked at as an example of great history writing, but bad historianship.

[Anonymous No.22985769]

>>22978489
He lived a half impressive, half retarded life.

[Anonymous No.22985773]

>>22979898
>A History of Modern Palestine
Guaranteed to be a steaming pile of propagandist refuse.

[Anonymous No.22985897]

>>22970265
>Juliet Barker
>Juliet
A woman... Anon, be serious.

[Anonymous No.22985932]

>>22957299
By that logic, we can throw out all historianship and navel gazing by any and every author on his own ethnos or nation. In other words, you're stupid.

[Anonymous No.22986666]

>>22985105
The parts on the Assyrian and Babylonian empires were some of my favorites. Some parts are kind of a slog, while others also being too brief at the same time. All of the sections on art have been painful so far, as the first volume of plates covers vol I-IV and I can't find a copy anywhere online. Basically hundreds of pages of "see pic related" but not being able to actually see the image. The parts on military campaigns sometimes have left me saying "that's it?".

I guess I'm supposed to be inspired to look for a more specialized book on a topic I like, but I don't want to hop off and never finish this task. Plus, I've got PDF scans which are pleasing on the eyes, too many online books give you a eye-raping xerox black and white instead of the beige of an old book.


Volume I is probably the least useful. The ideas about geographic prehistoric evolution seem rather speculative without solid DNA understanding. I recall there was even a passing mention of the Piltdown man "discovery", although even the author made clear that there were some questions. They didn't claim it was a hoax, but they didn't hail it as being fact either. kek that it still made it in there though.

[Anonymous No.22986755]

>>22984397
Impossible.