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Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:25:55 2024 No.22924532 [Reply] [Original]

>During his early years at Harvard, he [Ralph Waldo Emerson] wrote erotic poetry about a classmate named Martin Gay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:26:25 2024 No.22924533 >>22924532 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:27:03 2024 No.22924535 >>22924532 Remember when Ivy league educations meant something? One quick browse through the Harvard Crimson and you will discover how far the general intelectual level at those universities has fallen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:28:31 2024 No.22924545 >>22924532 Why was homoeroticism so common in 1800s America? Those Melville letters to Hawthorne oh boy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:29:49 2024 No.22924551 >>22924545 Emerson, Whitman, Melville, Dickinson, Lincoln… who else was a homo?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:31:54 2024 No.22924561 File: 41 KB, 500x500, IMG_2502.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22924551 Dick in what??

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:33:56 2024 No.22924564 >>22924551 Why, "nearly every man who approaches greatness" of course

Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:34:00 2024 No.22924565

>>22924551
What about the Melville-Hawthorne correspondence was gay? I read through their entire correspondence (the Divine Magnet) and never got that impression once. Maybe I missed something. Melville and Hawthorne were very conservative and frankly Orthodox in their Christian understanding, especially if their correspondence was any indication. I doubt they tolerated himosexuality in any degree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:35:40 2024 No.22924567 File: 114 KB, 773x873, IMG_2503.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wtf

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:36:23 2024 No.22924571 >>22924565 Maybe that was true for Hawthorne but I read Moby Dick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:37:19 2024 No.22924580 >>22924565 1. Melville was a sailor. Enough said. 2. Melville wasn’t an orthodox Christian, he was a gnostic

Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:38:04 2024 No.22924582

>>22924567
>I feel that this Hawthorne has dropped germinous seeds into my soul. He expands and deepens down, the more I contemplate him; and further, and further, shoots his strong New-England roots into the hot soil of my Southern soul.

https://medium.com/@penguinrandomus/5-reasons-to-believe-herman-melville-loved-nathaniel-hawthorne-4c0741a99fa5

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:41:51 2024 No.22924594 File: 242 KB, 1454x632, IMG_2504.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22924582 wtf

Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:41:52 2024 No.22924596

>>22924580
Did you even read the divine magnet? He was clearly a practicing Christian. He wasn't part of the denomination known as Orthodox but he adhered to the traditional theology and dogma of Christianity (the eccumenical councels), which is what Orthodox are, so one could definitely say he was an Orthodox Christian of sorts.

>all sailors are gay
projection, can't imagine making being so childish as to make such a blatant generalization about one occupation.

Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:46:17 2024 No.22924616

>>22924582
we only think this sounds gay because we grew up with a hypersexual media that expressed itself mainly in innuendo. not saying melville wasn't gay but i don't consider this an indicator especially when you know how hawthorne influenced moby dick's writing.

Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:46:50 2024 No.22924617

>>22924594
This is just a man expressing his love and gratitude to another friend- nay, a brother. If any of you had anything approaching the actual heart and soul of a poet, you would understand how gratifying it is to finally meet someone who fully understands you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 20:47:50 2024 No.22924619 >>22924616 >>22924617 Okay, we solved the mystery. Not gay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 06:57:36 2024 No.22926048 >>22924532 Homoeroticism is /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 07:37:46 2024 No.22926109 >>22924565 Just because he was a christian doesn't mean he wasn't a hypocrite like Tolstoy or Dostoevsky.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 07:39:16 2024 No.22926112 >>22924616 Are you fucking serious dude that is the gayest thing I've ever read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 07:44:34 2024 No.22926117 >>22926112 your mind is tainted

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 08:03:04 2024 No.22926153 >>22924551 All great men are at least in some respect. The desire to cope with exclusion from the cthonic force/prison of woman is what drives men to both homosexuality and the building of society, language, culture, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 08:16:22 2024 No.22926170 >>22924582 >>22924594 This nigga sweet as a sugar plum Also you can just read his novels and that makes it plain as day

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 08:22:27 2024 No.22926181 >>22924617 >>22924616 This is silly. Its not expressly sexual but that doesnt make it totally not-gay. Its a normal amount of gay for the historical context

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 08:26:36 2024 No.22926185 >>22926181 it's gay like the socratic idea of love is gay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 08:29:10 2024 No.22926189 >>22926185 Yes. Unironically Gay =/= Homosexual

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