/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22922129]

what separates poetry from prose?

[Anonymous No.22922135]

the hemistiche

[Anonymous No.22922137]

After 2000 AD? Whininess, pretention, and line breaks. Thanks for posting your picrel

[Anonymous No.22922139]

>>22922129
The impertinent mathematicization of art.

[Anonymous No.22922144]

>>22922129
>I throw the quesadilla at the wall.

Gets me every time
;-;

[Anonymous No.22922158]

>>22922129
The ending line has a very tang dynasty feel to it

[Anonymous No.22922162]

>>22922144
>>22922158
It's a genuinely beautiful poem

[Anonymous No.22922168]

>>22922129
I think the last line is poignant and has merit but so much of the poem is mired in attempts to mimick contemporary vernacular. It takes away from what is supposed to be a tragic tale of a woman realizing her life is slipping away and adds unpleasant comedic elements. It's a tonally confused piece
Clearly written by someone who has a creative mind but pretentions about the worth of vulgar language
Though I'm sure the Latin Priests who first read the Divina Comedia thought the same thing, perhaps I'm in the wrong

[Anonymous No.22922174]

>>22922129
that's a beautiful poem. I wonder what her bussy do?

[Anonymous No.22922180]

>>22922168
perhaps you'd find prose more aligned with your tastes on gay.com

[Anonymous No.22922187]

rhyme, meter, imagery

Of course if you are basing poetry off modern stuff which is just virtue signaling and affirmations of the liberal status qou than you will realize that poetry died after ezra pound and the modernists

[Anonymous No.22922192]

>>22922187
I read that same analysis on gay.com, and found it agreeable

[Anonymous No.22922223]

>>22922168
>woman

[Anonymous No.22922231]

Prose is more concrete, and uses the sentence as form. Poetry is more figurative, and uses the line as form.

There is an entire universe of gray between them, thank God, or else ChatGPT would have become the collective consciousness by now.

[Anonymous No.22922356]

>>22922223
This but unironically. OP's poem does not work in a society where we 'accept trans people' as their preferred gender, no questions asked. Any and all nuance is lost. Poetry dies when metaphors become literal reality, which is what the progressive left wants.

I don't know that the progressive left is even wrong to want that, but I do know that it means the end of poetry. Imagine how much less an impact something like Calamus would have if we are only permitted literal readings and cannot question the identity and the sincerity of the author. There is nothing left.

[Anonymous No.22922396]

>>22922356
You are giving "the progressive left" excess of its due in the destruction of metaphors. The emergence of quantitative empiricism and all the rest of it is of an altogether grandiose order compared to the historically contingent sociopolitical developements of American liberalism after Obama. Give credit where credit is due. Nancy Pelosi or the sociology department or corporate culture can only cause so much. Rather they are like bouys on the tide, some nearer to your view than others, and perhaps you are yourseld on a rocking or wide adrift boat.

[Anonymous No.22922401]

>>22922396
Fair enough anon; I use the term 'progressive left' as a catchall because I am tired and drunk and don't have the mental bandwith to find a more descriptive or accurate term. Regardless of the bogeyman's name at which I am pointing though, my main point - that the death of metaphor due to the unquestioning literal acceptance of another's speech - about the death of poetry is I think not wrong. I am open to other thoughts/conclusions, though.

[Anonymous No.22922490]

>>22922168
I don't agree. This is an extremely sincere, bare poem. There's no artifice to the use of contemporary vernacular or comedic elements. If they are not the exact bare thoughts of the author, they are at least those of the narrator. This person is exactly this crude and detached from their own life. The ironic self-distance poisoning a generation is part of what allows the unresolved underlying issues protrayed here, and part of what what's poignant about it.
It's about a condition of knowing exactly what the problem is, but internally using "humor" to distract yourself from it because it's too big and maybe too late to do anything about.

[Anonymous No.22922574]

For modern poetry, my go-to definition is the one that I attribute (perhaps wrongly, but no matter) to T. S. Eliot: "Poetry is a system of punctuation." Specifically, poetry employs line breaks, chosen by the author rather than by the typesetter, as a form of punctuation

This of course applies only to poetry which is primarily meant to be read in silence, where the visible ordering of elements on the page, rather than the rhythms of the voice, are what structure our experience of the poem in the first instance. This is also a purely formal definition, treating "poetry" as synonymous with "verse and things that are presented as though they were in verse"

More impressionistically, I like to say that poetry is "the music of ideas," ideas presented in an intentional way, so that the manner of their presentation becomes an end in itself. I think you can find a roughly similar definition for "literature" in Roman Jakobson.

Or as the Sanskrit tradition of poetics (alankāraśāstra) has it: śabdārthau sahitau kāvyam, "Poetry/'belles-lettres' is word and meaning combined." "Combined" here has a very strong sense: the poem's verbal form and its content must be as closely knit together as Ardhanārīśvara, the Half-Woman God, whose right half is the right half of Śiva and whose left half is the left half of Umā, His consort—two souls residing in a single body radiant with the beauty of both. Without the one, the other would be nothing. Or, again in more modern terms, the form must fit the content, and the content the form.

The poem in the OP is rather nice btw, the last line is predictable enough but still hits the spot.

[Anonymous No.22922691]

>>22922129
Rhythm, meter, and form

[Anonymous No.22922875]

a $5 quesadilla isn't perfect.
lol at a tranny shitting on a felon

[Anonymous No.22922894]

>I throw the quesadilla at the wall

[Anonymous No.22923006]

>>22922187
>>22922231
>>22922574
>>22922691
fuck the rules and conventions. imperfection here and there is essential or else you're hardly actually giving any attention to what you're reading.

[Anonymous No.22923100]

>>22922129
Marketing.