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>mogged Buckley
>mogged Mailer
>mogged Hitchens
>(unironically) fucked Kerouac
Could anyone stand against The Goreman?

>> No.22916664

>>22916649
>>mogged Mailer
bullshit

>> No.22916683

>>22916649
>(unironically) fucked Kerouac
Sodomized and facefucked him specifically lmao

>> No.22916715

>>22916664
Not even debatable. The audience was laughing at the poor fool.

>> No.22916778

>>22916715
>Not even debatable. The audience was laughing at the poor fool.
Who gives a shit about the audience? Mailer was obviously right- Vidal became an insufferable buffoon and His "M3- Miller,Mailer Manson" article was pure intellectual pornography, for which Mailer rightfully called Him out.

>> No.22917722

>>22916649
Don't forget
>Mogged Hemingway

“What other culture could have produced someone like Hemingway and not seen the joke?”

>> No.22917753

>>22916683

What is the source for these scurrilous allegations? Pictures or it didn't happen.

>> No.22917757

I find it telling that all anybody really remembers of Vidal any more is his personality and his public feuds, rather than his actual books. More of a personality than an actual writer, in that respect.

>> No.22917794

>>22917757
> all anybody really remembers
He’s also read desu

>> No.22917824

>>22917794
Really? I never see threads about Julian on here, or any of his other books.

>> No.22917831

>>22917824
Lurk moar

>> No.22917858

I read 600 pages of essays by him in about a week. I am nowhere near that fast a reader normally. The man is on fire. He cuts right to the heart of it.

He was a grandson of a Senator and bumped elbows with Roosevelts (both families) growing up. He knew who these people really were, but he was also a curious intellectual who had access to amazing libraries and excellent anecdotes from birth. He is sharp as a motherfucker. Nobody talking politics in 2024 has anything remotely like his comprehension of history, in particular its personages.

The writer of historical fiction is essentially making portraits of real people. They have a better genre for doing this than autobiographers (*ahem*, focused historical fictionists) because their craft requires reading of history as well as novels. If you read history and novels, eventually you get a kind of freakish insight into the actors, where you know them better than they know themselves (unless they were readers. readers have far more complex personalities).

Definitely check out his essays. I am 100 pages along in Lincoln and got distracted, but was really enjoying it and expect to pick it back up. I disliked the idea of historical fiction until I discovered Gore Vidal.

he had a superficial arrogance and elitism, but was actually a very sweet and misunderstood man at heart

>> No.22917866

>>22917858
Whats the name of the book?

>> No.22918068

>>22917858
>very sweet

If he was so sweet why was he so adamant about not returning the favor? He even admitted that he always had to pay because there was no excuse for how bad he was in bed.

>> No.22918095

>>22918068
He was a confused heterosexual

>> No.22918133

>>22918095
nah he's too smart to be straight

>> No.22918140

>>22918133
Wrong. He said it himself.

>> No.22918604

>>22916649
Vidal is my favorite Atheist to be honest. He was critical of the Church where it mattered and didn't shy away from calling out the Jews and Muslims.

>> No.22918609

>>22918604
> didn't shy away from calling out the Jews
Proof?

>> No.22918616
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>>22918609
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/05/08/vidals-outburst-an-ominous-new-stage-in-anti-semitism/65b9de62-b9f3-4b02-8676-bcd1cd901885/

>Vidal's main point is that most American Jews are "Israeli fifth columnists" who "stay on among us, in order to make propaganda and raise money for Israel."

>> No.22918631

>>22918616
Based & redpilled.

>> No.22918638

>>22916649
What Vidal book should I read first? I have never read him

>> No.22918684

>>22917753
>What is the source for these scurrilous allegations?
Vidal himself:

>In Palimpest, Vidal’s memoir, he devoted 10 pages to describing his final meeting with Allen Ginsberg in 1994, and how the two men discussed what happened that August night with Kerouac. “Jack bought Burroughs and me together at the San Remo, on the edge of Greenwich Village,” wrote Vidal. “Hot night. Jack was manic. Sea captain’s hat. T-shirt. Like Marlon Brando in Streetcar. Drinking beer. Burroughs looked like a traveling salesman who had traveled too far in a wrinkled gray suit. He had published a good novel, Junkie under the name William Lee....Bill was quiet. Jack was loud. I suppose he was drunk.” Instead of letting Burroughs make a pass at Vidal, Kerouac started flirting with Vidal himself.
>According to Vidal, the two writers had intercourse. In the morning, Vidal wrote, “We had woken up on a low double bed...Jack was hungover. After we had dressed, he said he would have to take the subway back to wherever he was living with a black girl,” who would be Alene Lee, the woman who inspired The Subterraneans. “Only I don’t have money,” said Kerouac. “I gave him a dollar, and said ‘Now you owe me a dollar,’ which he reports in The Subterraneans.
>Forty-one years later, Ginsberg told Vidal that “’Jack was rather proud of the fact that he blew you.’

>> No.22918721

>>22918638
His work is quite diverse, so it depends on your personal taste.
My favorite novel of his is Julian, about the Roman emperor. It seems a common pick here, too. His Narratives of Empire series about American history is also worth a note. If you want something more gay, try The City and the Pillar.
And be aware there's a wide consensus about Myra Breckinridge being trash.

>> No.22918726

>>22918721
I remember some guy here said his favorite was Creation. Thoughts on that one?

>> No.22918742

>>22918726
Not a big fan of Creation, but I can see why some people like it. If you're interested in Ancient Persia, then it's definitely worth a read.

>> No.22918751

>>22918742
> Not a big fan of Creation
May I ask why?
> If you're interested in Ancient Persia, then it's definitely worth a read.
I’ll start with Julian then try Creation. Then Burr, if I like it I’ll read Lincoln and maybe the rest of that series

>> No.22918774

>>22918751
I guess it comes down to its setting. I don't care enough about Persians/Asia to really like a 500 page book about them. I found Julian much more interesting (and funny).

>> No.22918780

>wrote an entire book about Julian
>yet his favorite emperor was Justinian

what did mean by this, Gorebros?

>> No.22918784

>>22918780
Maybe one figure lends himself to storytelling more than the other?

>> No.22918800

>>22918780
Julian was the last pagan emperor, that makes him a very intriguing subject, even if he wasn't a great leader.