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[Anonymous No.22901982]

>by most accounts, has a relatively boring life (compared to most other writers, both of his time and earlier/later, and from other countries)
>People cannot accept it, so they spend their lives trying to spice it up, saying he was someone else, a collective of people, a woman, a catholic, homossexual, bissexual, transsexual, a noble, university educated, a foreigner, an alchoolic or that he had mistresses
Lmao, Shakespeare speculators are the saddest people to have ever existed.

[Anonymous No.22902004]

>>22901982
based, he reminds me of myself. But I chose philosophy and not playwriting.

(yes, I am the greatest philosopher alive)

[Anonymous No.22902024]

>>22902004
>I am the greatest philosopher alive
Not a feat of especial note

[Anonymous No.22902027]

>>22901982
I think he's just some gay guy that wrote fan fiction in his spare time and he was just a little better at it than the average person, or maybe there's a shitload of bad plays that didn't get immortalized while he was honing his craft. I bet there's a million shakespeares write now creating high quality scenes and stories about furries and vampires or whatever.

[Anonymous No.22902030]

>>22902027
There really isn’t

[Anonymous No.22902031]

>>22901982
He was a bisexual catholic though

[Anonymous No.22902038]

>>22902024
I was trying to be modest

[Anonymous No.22902209]

>>22902031
This. Perhaps not by the strictest definition of either of those terms but you need only read his work to discover explicit tendencies towards bisexuality and possibly vaguer, implicit tendencies towards Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.22902239]

>>22901982
Post the webm, you know which one

[Anonymous No.22902245]

>>22902239

[Anonymous No.22902254]

>>22902239
Nvm i have it
>>22902245
Thanks for your input i suppose

[Anonymous No.22902259]

>>22902209
The only thing that suggests he was bisexual is the sonnets. Nothing in the plays could lead one to assume it unless you were purposefully bending them to that meaning. As for his Catholicism he was clearly very much situated in the Anglican world of the time, even if, hypothetically, he remained true to Catholic ritual and culture. From his works I doubt he thought the Pope was inviolable or that the English state should be subservient to the church.

[Anonymous No.22902332]

>>22902259
You don't even think that the gender-bending sexual attraction in Twelfth Night even at least seems in accordance with him being bisexual? Definitely not a smoking gun and on its own wouldn't mean much, but within the context of the sonnets you could see that it makes sense coming from that guy. I haven't really read much Shakespeare anyway so I'd be surprised if there wasn't more examples... but the idea of
>a man falling in love with a guy who is really a woman
and
>a woman falling in love with a guy who is really a woman
both seem in accordance with it. I guess you are speaking about more explicit and definitively bisexual stuff, in which case I'd agree. After all, Olivia doesn't even end up marrying Viola but ends up with her brother.

[Anonymous No.22902622]

>>22902259
>The only thing that suggests he was bisexual is the sonnets.
Not the fact that he wrote plays? Jokes aside
>>22902332
Shakespeare just had a juvenile sense of humor. High wit, low comedy at its absolute peak.

[Anonymous No.22902776]

>>22902332
>You don't even think that the gender-bending sexual attraction
That always just seemed like traditional comedic relief/contrivances to me, without any of the questions of personal motivation such would have in today's society.

[Anonymous No.22902875]

Seeing the make up of his plays, he was a man who traveled all over britain and knew the locations in scotland very well, but he likely never once left the island, and if he did it was probably a brief holiday to france. I doubt he would be aby great noble because I'm sure someone like Francis Bacon would know basic geography outside of britain.
As for the topic of his sexuality, he was obviously very intimate with women and was very interested in the topic of Love. However, there's very little to go by for Homosexuality. His sonnets have some subtext pointing to it, but there's no real evidence in his plays of homosexual relations. You would think he would be more daring like Marlowe was about this subject. Shakespeare never really shied away from shocking or morally abhorrent subject matters, especially in his early career. But there's not much to work on.
With all that said, I have full reason to believe Ben Jonson's eulogy on Shakespeare. He was a common man, born to a Glovemaker, who abandoned his wife and family to join a theater troupe. He was a brilliant man who would get on the nerves of his contemporary playwrights, one who loved to draw in a crowd and entertain but grew into one who came to love the art of poetry in all ways and worldly enough to express so many different aspects of Human emotion. Likely also a man who was unfaithful to his wife too.
Though to be fair this is how I imagine the man

[Anonymous No.22903423]

>>22901982
There's not much information on him to begin with. That's part of the reason.

>>22902031
Do you have a sliver of proof? No, you don't. Also makes no sense to call someone from that time 'bisexual' when the notion developed in the late 20th century.

[Anonymous No.22903453]

>>22902259
The sonnets and the multiple attractive crossdressers in his play. Remember that in Elizabethan theatre boys and youths played all the female roles. Shakespeare Cleopatra and Ophelia for twinks. Given the textual evidence its very plausible Shalespeare was bisexual.

[Anonymous No.22903492]

It's funny how the bugman is so stupefied by Shakespeare that he creates this self protective fiction like: "Oh, one man alone couldn't have written this . . . but maybe ten men. Ten men of my intellect that were collectively Shakespeare, then it would be possible." That always gets me chucklin

[Anonymous No.22903509]

>>22902332
I have heard that, in Shakespeare’s time, cross dressing was a typical activity partaken by commoners on the Twelfth Night of Christmas. So that would actually be expected in a play called Twelfth Night, and probably doesn’t point towards Shakespeare being a homo.

[Anonymous No.22903524]

>>22901982
>>by most accounts, has a relatively boring life (compared to most other writers, both of his time and earlier/later, and from other countries)
Most writers have boring lives, poser . That's how I know your a poser. Time spent doing anything else besides writing, such as having fun and living life, means less time writing. The axiom is irrefutable.

[Anonymous No.22904041]

>>22903524
*Enters the chat*

[Anonymous No.22904047]

>>22903524
What about playwrights around Shakespeare’s time like Kyd and Marlowe?

[Anonymous No.22904067]

>>22903524

[Anonymous No.22904069]

>>22901982
>had an affair with an older woman and got her pregnant when he was seventeen
>nooooo he was a faggot, only faggots write plays!