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We’ll be going at the rate of one play a week. Please drop which play you want to read first, and we will start by popular consensus if there is one (otherwise I’ll just decide)

Link to /lit/‘s poetry discord
https://discord.gg/wy4aW4zj9A

>> No.22897703

>>22897701
>Link to /lit/‘s poetry dis-
And thread ruined.

>> No.22897713

>>22897701
Good idea anon. I'd be fine with any order as long as:
>we alternate between the better and worse plays instead of going worst to best or best to worst
and
>we read the histories in their historic chronological order (starting King John) as opposed to the order they were written in

>> No.22897731

>>22897701
>Link to /lit/‘s poetry discord
YWNBAW also fuck off back to r*ddit faggot.

>> No.22897737

>>22897701
Let The Merchant of Venice be first.

>> No.22898130

>>22897713
I concur.

>> No.22898339

>>22897713
And we leave Hamlet for the very last play.

>> No.22898388

>>22898339
Sounds good

>> No.22898401

Was excited for this until I saw it will involve discordtrannies.

>> No.22898626

What's wrong with the discord?

>> No.22898634

>>22898401
I've been on that discord for sometime and I've only encountered one or two trannies but that's it. there's no more of em

>> No.22898640

>>22898401
What if I told you trannies roam this site too?

>> No.22898679
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22898679

this is now a Shakespeare hate thread.

>> No.22898684

>>22898401
heavens to betsy i'm clutchin my pearls

>> No.22898693

>>22898679
what a fucking FAGGOT

>> No.22898703

>>22898679
What an extraordinarily embarassing take lmao

>> No.22898709

>>22898679
I love Hamlet even more now (after Martin Lings almost ruined it for me)

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22898715

>>22898693
>>22898703
>>22898709

>> No.22898812

>>22898709
>Martin Lings almost ruined it for me
How so?

>> No.22898818

>>22897701
>>22898679
>non-english speakers
Did these guys just read a bad translation or what?

>> No.22898837

>>22898818
Tolstoy could speak English.

>> No.22898842

>>22898818
Read What is Art? I forget specifics as it was a while ago but Tolstoy thought writing was useless if it wasn’t for the Christian god. Don’t feel like looking it up, maybe someone could correct me, but it’s a major reason I soured on Tolstoy as he became a holier than thou zealot caricature. Don’t take any of his later opinions seriously

>> No.22898902

>>22898842
christianity really is a psychological gimp on any otherwise intelligent or creative person

>> No.22898910

>>22898818
Shakespeare was an absolute sensation with English readers. Voltaire hated him because he started eclipsing French drama as the most popular with elite. Tolstoy and his whole class could read English, his peers loved Shakespeare, he mainly didn’t because he believed the dialogue in Shakespeare was unrealistic and pompous. Later in life he also disliked him for the same reasons he disliked his own work, not didactic enough in morality

>> No.22898913

>>22898842
>>22898902
Tolstoy did not worship the Christian god and was excommunicated. He just subscribe to what he considered Christian ethics

>> No.22898923

>>22898913
I don't care about whatever types of christianity you consider real or fake christianity, because all of you infight and believe one another is going to hell, if you subscribe to christianity, christian ethics, follow jesus, you are christian and my statement 100% applies.

>> No.22898929

There's a perfectly good Shakespeare thread that doesn't shill a gay discord. Organize there.

>> No.22898955

>>22898339
Not the Tempest?

>> No.22899120

>>22898842
your framing is false, he does not directly tie Shakespeare with the Christian morality then proceeds to dismiss it. in fact he was direct with how he approached Shakespeare, he expected to derive great aesthetic pleasure(his words), but he was extremely disappointed. he approached as a technical work, with the honesty of a writer and reread his works many times over.

he was so shocked that he reread many times besides inEnglish, even from different translations both in Russian and German from Schegel. and he even admits that, at the time of writing it he was over 75 years of age, as an old man, he read Lear, Hamlet, Othello, Henriad(complete), Cymbeline and The Tempest, Troilus and Cressida once again to check himself before writing his opinions in the book, at the result he once again hated them.

he just simply fucking hated it for what it is.

>> No.22899130

>>22899120
>he read Lear, Hamlet, Othello, Henriad(complete), Cymbeline and The Tempest, Troilus and Cressida once again to check himself before writing his opinions in the book, at the result he once again hated them.
There's the problem. He didn't read Macbeth.

>> No.22899140

>>22899130
no you misunderstand me, those are the ones he reread, again, finally before he wrote his opinions in the book. when he first picked up Shakespeare he read King Lear, Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet and Macbeth.

>> No.22899800

>>22897713
>we read the histories in their historic chronological order (starting King John) as opposed to the order they were written in

We’ll start by doing this unless there are objections

>> No.22899828

>discord
You fucking faggots ruin everything. Either post shit on /lit/ or don’t you don’t need a faggy circlejerk added to it. Just use Reddit if that’s what you want

>> No.22899835

>>22899828
>Tue
I'm a nonce btw

>> No.22899959

>>22899800
It's a pretty based way to learn English history.

>> No.22900030

>>22899800
History followed by a comedy or a tragedy perhaps?

>> No.22900197

>>22900030
I second altering between histories, comedies, tragedies

>> No.22900559

>>22898679
Isn't HATING Shakespeare just contrarian? I get maybe thinking he is a bit overhyped(no one could possibly live up to his reputation) but HATE is a strong word. Certianly Shakespearehas some merit.

>> No.22900605

>>22900559
Nowadays it's the opposite. Retarded 80iq zoomers who have only half-read Romeo and Juliet once in high school sperg about how overrated, bad, hecking problematic etc. Shakespeare is, to the point where the act of resistance now is to say that he actually is as great as his reputation claims.

>> No.22900613

>>22900559
https://youtu.be/hhMnHRYxmwo?si=2IMLoLpoh1GbXgeK