/lit/ Top 100 Books of All Time 2023 [Thread 3]

[Anonymous No.22862383]

-Submit your top 5 books to the linked form:
https://forms.gle/yA41f2WhBfVMMr8U6
-Submission format: Author's Surname - Title
>Kafka - The Trial
If the author is unknown leave the space for the author blank.
> - The Holy Bible
-Form will be active from 12/16 to 12/26.
-Ties will be broken through a poll from 12/26 to 12/30.
-Results will be posted after my New Year's hangover.

[Anonymous No.22862387]

Post the sheet.

[Anonymous No.22862390]

what if the book has multiple authors?

[Anonymous No.22862394]

>>22862390
Break up the surnames with comas and I'll figure out the formatting later.

[Anonymous No.22862402]

what if there are different books with the same title written by different authors who share the same surname?

[Anonymous No.22862416]

How are the following series being handled? Is each book counted as its own, or are they combined as a single work?
>Dune series
>Updike rabbit series
>Harry Potter series
>LotR series

[Anonymous No.22862421]

>>22862416
Not op but afaik they're handled as single series, at least in older charts they were single.

[Anonymous No.22862446]

>>22862416
>>LotR series
It's not a series. It's a single book split in different volumes.

[Anonymous No.22862465]

>>22862402
Name one case dumbo-kun

[Anonymous No.22862471]

>>22862383
what if my mom wrote a book but it hasn't been published publicly just private copies?

[Anonymous No.22862474]

>>22862465
i can't be expected to know every book ever written, i'm just checking op has accounted for this possible but unlikely scenario

[Anonymous No.22862488]

>>22862383
Threadly reminder to vote Wagner.

[Anonymous No.22862638]

>>22862471
I'll accept it. Love good relationships with mothers.
Vote Wagner though!

[Anonymous No.22862648]

>>22862474
Alright, just to please you:
In the extremely rare circumstance that anon suggested add a library of congress number to the end of your submission.

[Anonymous No.22862659]

>>22862421
I can do this. Counted LoTRs as a single submission considering it's a single novel released in volumes.
On this topic I was wondering if I should count The Sea of Fertility as one submission or as individual novels?

[Anonymous No.22862676]

>>22862383
I haven't read 5 books.

[Anonymous No.22862679]

I voted :3

[Anonymous No.22862771]

>>22862383
Thanks for doing this anon

[Anonymous No.22863140]

>>22862383
If all Shakespeare plays are counted as one then he has to be #1. Otherwise it's an embarassment for us, /lit/ frens

[Anonymous No.22863161]

>>22863140
/lit/ charts are never about quality. It's impossible to hope for objectivity considering the randomness involved. Just got to hope for good taste.

[Anonymous No.22863185]

>>22863140
>>22863161
The idea of a consensus chart like this is just toe testing the waters to see the temperature of the board. True taste should always be looked for in individuals.

[Anonymous No.22863239]

Please keep the musicians in the music board. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.22863261]

>>22863239
Nobody is talking about musicians, schizo.

[Anonymous No.22863314]

>>22863261
Here
>>22862488
>>22862638

[Anonymous No.22863317]

>>22863261
That negro spamming Wagner

[Anonymous No.22863329]

>>22863317
You are brown

[Anonymous No.22863344]

I submitted:
>Aeschylus - The Oresteia
>Kant - Critique of Pure Reason
>Sebald - The Rings of Saturn
>Bernhard - Gathering Evidence
>Wittgenstein - Philosophical Investigations

[Anonymous No.22863382]

>>22863329
Jewish*

[Anonymous No.22863391]

>>22863344 (me)
i realise i should have learned german instead of french lol

[Anonymous No.22863395]

>>22863391
philosocuck?

[Anonymous No.22863425]

>>22862488
Which one? One of his music dramas? Opera and Drama? The entire prose works?

[Anonymous No.22863432]

>>22863329
Stop being racist or I won't vote for him like I'm planning to.

[Anonymous No.22863471]

>>22863432
Because you are brown

[Anonymous No.22863506]

>>22863239
That includes Aeschylus, Sophocles and Homer.

[Anonymous No.22863508]

>>22863425
Der Ring des Nibelungen. His greatest literary work.

[Anonymous No.22863532]

>>22863471
I warned you.

[Anonymous No.22863566]

>>22863532
based hebrew

[Anonymous No.22863599]

>>22863532
Noooooooo.

[Anonymous No.22863623]

>>22863344
Kant is based

[Anonymous No.22863631]

>>22863344
nice
>>22863506
retard take

[Anonymous No.22863648]

>>22862383
>Catch 22
>The Trial
>Augie March
>The Passion According to GH
>Portnoy’s Complaint

[Anonymous No.22863672]

>>22862383
First time voting
>Blood Meridian
>Catch-22
>The Trial
>Stoner
>Dead Souls

[Anonymous No.22863674]

>>22863672
is dead souls any good?

[Anonymous No.22863679]

>>22863674
Nta but yeah. Reminds me of Seinfeld set in serfdom Russia. Helps if you know the historical context

[Anonymous No.22863699]

>>22863674
It's great. The characters are the best part of the story. They vary so much and have so many special eccentricities that the book is hilarious. Just be sure to get a decent translation. Guerney's the best, I own a copy of Penguin Classics (Maguire) but be sure to avoid Pevear and Volokhonsky. Theirs is so cold and technical that all the humour are sucked out of the story

[Anonymous No.22863769]

>>22863679
>>22863699
coolio. have been enjoying gogol's short stories (ronald wilks' translation) so pretty excited to jump into dead souls soon.
>Guerney's the best
will look into it
>be sure to avoid Pevear and Volokhonsky
i am aware. i used to think i disliked russian lit until i realised P&V were the problem. true story.

[Anonymous No.22863773]

>>22863679
You need to go back.

[Anonymous No.22863782]

>>22862416
There's a single book edition, so...

[Anonymous No.22863795]

>>22863782
The fact that they were published in 4 different decades is a reason to consider the works as single books with the same character.
And the book you posted doesn't even include Rabbit Remembered.

[Anonymous No.22863890]

>>22863769
I thought Gogol's short stories were overrated until I switched from P&V to Wilks. Now I consciously avoid reading any P&V translations

[Anonymous No.22863905]

>LOTR
>Canticle for Leibowitz
>Gormenghast
>Augustus
>Ring of the Nibelungs
Rate my picks /lit/.

[Anonymous No.22863957]

>>22863905
Based and Christian myth pilled.

[Anonymous No.22863961]

>>22862383
I voted for 4 Tolstoy books.

[Anonymous No.22863978]

>>22863905
I enjoyed Titus Groan more than Gormenghast but that's just me

[Anonymous No.22864041]

>>22863978
I voted for the trilogy

[Anonymous No.22864062]

>>22864041
There is no trilogy.

[Anonymous No.22864106]

>>22863978
I'm voting Gormenghast in general since I hope OP will take it as the trilogy instead of the book.

[Anonymous No.22864135]

>>22864106
Again. There is no trilogy.

[Anonymous No.22864144]

>>22864135
Fine. Three novels, a novella, and an uncompleted fourth novel. Happy?

[Anonymous No.22864153]

>>22864144
Would you also mind telling OP which book did you vote for? I doubt he can make an educated guess.

[Anonymous No.22864200]

>>22864135
Weird because thats what It says on the cover

[Anonymous No.22864202]

>>22864062
>>22864200

[Anonymous No.22864207]

>>22862383
This whole series/collected works thing has really overshadowed the project. For next year we should do a few lists like
>favorite writers
>favorite books
>favorite short stories
>favorite essays/essayists
>favorite poems/poets

Or whatever else. We already know in general what the top 100 books will look like outside of a massive shilling or illegal voting campaign. We should spice it up

[Anonymous No.22864241]

>>22864207
>For next year...
its still this year

[Anonymous No.22864251]

>>22864200
I challenge both of you to find a word of Peake where he describes his series as a trilogy.

[Anonymous No.22864252]

>>22862383
Can I edit my answers, OP? I'd like to remove my support for a book due to recent developments

[Anonymous No.22864320]

>>22864252
You are either voting for the wrong reasons or voted for a book you didn’t finish yet. Tsk tsk tsk

[Anonymous No.22864327]

>>22864320
I edited my answers. Happy counting!

[Anonymous No.22864496]

>>22864251
It's a series and only three books were completed, thus, it's a trilogy.

[Anonymous No.22864541]

I voted
>Moby Dick
>Growth of the Soil
>If on a Winter's Night a Traveler
>Klara and the Sun
>The Cossacks by Tolstoy

[Anonymous No.22864543]

I added my contacts to one of my answers.

[Anonymous No.22864548]

>>22864496
Actually 4 books were completed. And according to your reasoning that would make it a tetralogy.

[Anonymous No.22864549]

>>22864543
why? wanna get fucked by OP?

[Anonymous No.22864560]

>>22864548
>he's counting the story that first appeared in some anthology with other authors

[Anonymous No.22865043]

>>22863314
>>22863317
We're not going to have this debate again. Wagner was a dramatist, his works are published in book form. It's a fact you're going to have to cope with.

[Anonymous No.22865484]

>>22865043
I'm sure Tarantino has some librettos published as books too. That doesn't make them literature.
As for Wagner's Der Ring. It's common sense to refer to the original myths known as the Nibelungenlied instead of the musician's take on them.

[Anonymous No.22865659]

>>22865484
>Tarantino
>librettos
Oh, you're retarded. I understand now.
>It's common sense to refer to the original myths known as the Nibelungenlied instead of the musician's take on them.
I guess that means not reading any Greek plays as well, yeah? Since you should refer to the original myths that were circulated orally before they were documented in that form.

[Anonymous No.22865669]

>>22865484
Somehow I‘m not surprised the anti-Wagner resentment comes from a cuckold porn viewer.

[Anonymous No.22865684]

>>22865484
>I'm sure Tarantino has some librettos published as books too. That doesn't make them literature.
You mean screenplays. And no, they're really not similar. When you look at theater, the written play is the text. It's not written for one specific production, but rather it exists and may continue as the basis for multiple productions. When someone puts on a new production of Hamlet or Death of a Salesman, they go back to the same original script by Shakespeare or Miller and perform a new rendition of that same written work. Every stage director may take some creative liberties, but rarely does one perform Hamlet and hire a new playwright to write an entirely new version of Hamlet. And when we refer to Hamlet as a historical piece of culture, we're referring to the written work of Shakespeare, not a specific performance of it.
In cinema, however, the script is more like a blueprint, written as the basis for one specific production. When Steven Soderbergh remakes Ocean's Eleven, he doesn't go back to the same script used for the 1960 film (as we would with Hamlet on stage), but rather Warner Bros, and he hires a new writer to write an entirely new script written specifically for this production. If, in 40 years, we get another remake of the film, the producers would hire yet another screenwriter to make yet another new script for that production. We don't hold up the original script and feel any obligation to remake that specific collection of scenes and dialogue the way we do with a play. And so, in cinema, the film itself is the "text" that continues through the years. When we refer to Ocean's Eleven as a historical piece of culture, we are speaking of a specific film (we wouldn't say Ocean's Eleven to mean "that general story that Clooney and Sinatra and various other actors have performed at various times in various ways").
In short, when we talk about Hamlet as a cultural product, we're talking about a written text; the script is what lasts through the years. When we talk about Ocean's Eleven as a cultural product, we're talking about a specific produced film. And this is partly dictated by the nature of theater vs. cinema. There is no one performance of Hamlet (on stage) that lasts through the years; as a live performance, it doesn't have permanence. A stage performance is not a "thing" that we can keep. The script is what lasts over time; it's the thing that lasts. In cinema, on the other hand, the performance does last, recorded on celluloid (or a hard drive), such that the film becomes the thing that gets passed down through the years. Just like a building, we can go back and look at the original blueprints, and compare it to the final thing that was produced, but when we discuss architecture, we wouldn't hold up the blueprints for the Empire State Building as the thing in question -- we would look at the actual Empire State Building.

[Anonymous No.22865700]

>>22865484
brb going to vote for a Tarantino screenplay out of spite

[Anonymous No.22865751]

>>22865684
You are just describing what an adaptation is. And in doing so you are just proving my point.
Der Ring des Nibelungen is just a musical rendition of the literary Nibelungenlied.

[Anonymous No.22865760]

But these lists are wrong. Anons never discuss these books here.

[Anonymous No.22865791]

>>22865751
>Der Ring des Nibelungen is just a musical rendition of the literary Nibelungenlied.
No, it's not. The text is completely different, it's its own work, both musical and dramatic. Wagner is a playwright, whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.22865817]

>>22865484
Then Shakespeare shouldn't be included either. The only literature he wrote is the poetry. Plays aren't literature in this paradigm.

[Anonymous No.22865818]

>>22865791
Did i say he wasn't?
No, i didn't. What i said is that his contribution to the world of music is much bigger than it is his contribution to the world of literature, which is minimal (unlike Goethe's Faust) and that Der Ring is a musical take on the Nibelungenlied just as much as Lord of the Rings is a literary one.
That's why he's studied in Musicology departments and not in Literature departments. No false equivalence can change this fact.

[Anonymous No.22865852]

>>22865817
It shouldn't be necessary to explain the difference between an opera and a threatre play. Or between oral tradition and the written one.

[Anonymous No.22865868]

>>22865852
Both are dramatic works.
Both are written and published as books.

[Anonymous No.22865978]

Bob Dylan win Pulitzer

[Anonymous No.22866008]

>>22865978
>Special Citation Pulitzer

[Anonymous No.22866025]

>>22862383
>Sign in to Jewgle to vote
"No"

[Anonymous No.22866538]

>>22866025
post your votes here, m8

[Anonymous No.22866586]

I submitted:
>Hamlet
>Book of the New Sun
>Ash Wednesday
>Paradise Lost
>The Brothers Karamazov
Have a happy Christmas /lit/

[Anonymous No.22866874]

>>22865818
>his contribution to the world of literature, which is minimal
Symbolism begs to differ. Wagner influenced many writers, poets, novelists, and playwrights. They incorporated elements of his themes, narrative techniques, and symbolic imagery. His impact on literature is profound and enduring.

[Anonymous No.22866879]

>>22865852
As implied here >>22865684 both Shakespeare's and Wagner's works are meant primarily for theatrical productions. However, both can be read just fine on their own.

[Anonymous No.22866880]

>>22866586
>Hamlet
You can’t vote for Hamlet, you have to vote for all of his works

[Anonymous No.22867202]

*brap*

[Anonymous No.22867219]

>>22866879
Wagner's librettos cannot be enjoyed separately from his music. That's the key difference. Sound design and acting/singing skills are not necessary to enjoy Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.22867345]

>>22865684
This. So tired of people not understanding the differences between a script and a play.

[Anonymous No.22867349]

>>22865484
>>22865700
Anons, you can vote for the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood novel. You don't have to resort to his screenplays.

[Anonymous No.22867361]

>>22865818
>Der Ring is a musical take on the Nibelungenlied just as much as Lord of the Rings is a literary one.
Holy shit stop talking about things you know nothing about. Both 'Rings' are unique works of literature.

>>22867219
Wagner is not opera, or at least typical opera. His revolutions in the libretto had the effect of raising the quality of the text to that of a great dramatic work. As far as I know there's no other 'libretto' in Bloom's Western Canon.

[Anonymous No.22867377]

>>22862383
This whole argument is pointless. Wagner won’t get that many votes even if it’s allowed. If he’s somehow high on the list it is obviously a concerted effort and should be deleted

[Anonymous No.22867656]

>>22863795
>some point between the second and third of the series, I began to visualize four completed novels that might together make a single coherent volume, a mega-novel. Now, thanks to Everyman's Library, this volume exists, titled, as I had long hoped, with the name of the protagonist, an everyman who, like all men, was unique and mortal
agreed it would have been better if it included the novella, but it's already a 1500 page hardcover.

[Anonymous No.22868606]

>>22867219
Yes, they can, at least from The Ring onwards. They're not traditional librettos, but much closer to poetry.

[Anonymous No.22869407]

my picks:
The Rings of Saturn
In Search of Lost TIme
THe Magic Mountain
Snow Country
Invisible Cities

[Anonymous No.22870533]

Tiebreaker WHEN. Also gib results already.

[Anonymous No.22870593]

>>22866538
>post your votes here, m8
⁃ Euclid - The Elements
⁃ - Talmud Bavli
⁃ Yudkowsky et al. - Project Lawful
⁃ Marx - Das Kapital
⁃ Euler - Introductio in analysin infinitorum

Interpreting "of all time" to mean "with the most historical impact according to me" rather than my personal favorites.

[Anonymous No.22870620]

Doubt any of mine will make the list except one or two but I voted for my top favorite and ones I thought had a slight chance

Letters of Van Gogh
Tropic of Cancer
The Rainbow
Les Chants de Maldorer
Leaves of Grass

[Anonymous No.22871692]

>>22870593
fucking retard, it’s a list of your personal favorite books. fucking newfags i swear

[Anonymous No.22871760]

>>22870533
Can you read?

[Anonymous No.22871766]

I'll be delaying the polls until the 27th. I have family unexpectedly staying over until midday tomorrow so I doubt I'll be able to format votes in time.
Sorry about the Delay, OP.

[Anonymous No.22871777]

>Dostoevsky - The Brothers Karamazov
>Murakami - Coin Locker Babies
>Schulz - The Street of Crocodiles
>Salinger - Nine Stories
>NisiOisin - Kizumongatari
Someone submit for me I don't want to make an account just to vote

[Anonymous No.22871781]

>>22871766
are votes submitted in the threads being added to the poll?

[Anonymous No.22871783]

>>22864207
Sure, you can start your excel file and compile answers and then make a chart and upload it.

[Anonymous No.22871916]

>>22871781
no

[Anonymous No.22871941]

>>22871916
>Melville - Moby Dick
>Cather - Death Comes for the Archbishop
>Faulkner - Absalom, Absalom!
>Ishighro - The Unconsoled
>Aeschylus - Orestaia

[Anonymous No.22872782]

>>22871781
No. This is enough work as is. Submit it to the form.

[Anonymous No.22872805]

>Aeneid
>El Aleph
>Stoner
>The Glass Bead Game
>2666