/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.22858407]

Death of science fiction and fantasy edition

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[Anonymous No.22858435]

I did not care for the Duko Rigoglio

[Anonymous No.22858449]

>>22858407
That just proves how bad chinese literature is.

[Anonymous No.22858469]

>>22858449
Pretty sure AI could crank out a Wolfe clone at this point
Just read pre-AI literature exclusively and you're good

[Anonymous No.22858479]

>>22858449
it's in all likelihood AI assisted and edited, who knows what AI he used or what he trained it with

[Anonymous No.22858482]

>>22858479
article if you wanna read it
https://archive.is/3AiBD#selection-864.0-864.1

[Anonymous No.22858534]

Any fantasy book with arranged marriages? Female lead accepting her fate and marrying the ugly/bad guy and trying to make things work or Male lead being forced to marry someone and trying to adapt to a new culture are things I really enjoy

[Anonymous No.22858571]

>>22858449
This. It does not surprise me AI could out-write a typical Chinese fiction author considering what is acclaimed over there. It's basically all webnovel-tier cultivation trash.

[Anonymous No.22858576]

>>22858469
>>Pretty sure AI could crank out a Wolfe clone
lol no. All AI can do is produce grammatically coherent sentences in a style, it cannot produce a coherent story. The reason this works for Chinese fiction is because their stories are just rambling nonsensical shit to begin with, without any consideration given to narrative structure.

[Anonymous No.22858585]

>>22858534
Yes, mine.

[Anonymous No.22858612]

>>22858571
>It's basically all webnovel-tier cultivation trash.
so exactly what is acclaimed in /sff/ as well

[Anonymous No.22858624]

>>22858534
Belgariad had an arranged marriage, if I remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.22858640]

>>22858576
nta, but there's literary Chinese SF as well. I've read it and wrote about it. It's just that the vast majority talked about here is stuff that's self-published online. It's like saying western SF is literally only royal road.

[Anonymous No.22858658]

>>22858482
>The nearly 6,000-character Chinese-language novel Land of Memories, by Shen Yang,
>Shen crafted the sci-fi narrative from a draft of 43,000 characters generated in just three hours with 66 prompts.
6000 characters doesn't sound very long

[Anonymous No.22858666]

>>22858407
>pic
>Doesn't now about: Bahdajan, Kremer, & Stojakavich, “Quantifying the Rise of the Machines,” Media Studies Quarterly, 10, 4 (2038).

[Anonymous No.22858667]

>>22858534
Dragon Prince by Melanie Rawn has an arranged marriage but they both love each other and they aren't evil nor ugly. Also she is a yandere, kills her husband rapist (a woman) and kidnaps the rapist baby son to raise it as her own.

[Anonymous No.22858673]

>>22858612
Precisely. People who like this dreck only read it for the wish fulfillment aspects, it's essentially just a form of pornography.

[Anonymous No.22858685]

>>22858658
It's obviously a short story.

[Anonymous No.22858687]

>>22858667
>her husband rapist
Why do yanderes always fall in love with pathetic men? Are there any sci-fi or fantasy books with proper yanderes falling in love with men who actually deserve their love?

[Anonymous No.22858696]

>>22858640
>but there's literary Chinese SF as well.
I seriously doubt any of it is worth reading. The PRC is not a country which encourages freedom of thought and actively discourages ideas it deems to be harmful to the CCP. For example, no Chinese author will ever publish an alternate timeline or near future story where the CCP does not exist or else was defeated by its enemies. Likewise, no speculation of technology or science can occur which casts aspersions on current Chinese society. In short: nothing can be published which might cause the reader to start thinking critically about Chinese society. This is why all Chinese fantasy is utterly vapid, nothing which provokes serious thought is permitted.

[Anonymous No.22858707]

>>22858612
I think that's just some kind of reverse elitism thing.

[Anonymous No.22858708]

>>22858667
What the fuck is it with women and writing about rape

[Anonymous No.22858712]

>>22858696
>this entire post
NTA, but it's clear that you're just as infected by western propaganda as the average Chinese person would be in your imaginary eastern dystopia.

[Anonymous No.22858714]

>>22858712
would be by Chinese propaganda, i mean

[Anonymous No.22858721]

>>22858687
In his defense, his rapist looked like picrel, you can't really blame him.

[Anonymous No.22858722]

>>22858712
Ah yes, western propaganda like being exposed to literally hundreds of utterly vacuous Chinese fictions devoid of serious ideas. I sifted through enough garbage to realize there are no diamonds in that particular landfill. I welcome evidence to the contrary but I believe if you had any you simply would've named authors and stories instead of accusing me of being a victim of propaganda (which is a common CCP shill tactic)

[Anonymous No.22858724]

>>22858721
>In his defense, his rapist looked like picrel
So it wasn't a rape.

[Anonymous No.22858725]

>>22858721
If he cums it's not rape

[Anonymous No.22858729]

>>22858712
I don't see how anything he said is wrong. Unless you deny the censorship regime in China.

[Anonymous No.22858736]

>>22858696
Granted most of it that's better isn't allowed to be published in China and only appears in western publications under pseudonyms.

[Anonymous No.22858769]

>>22858687
>yanderes falling in love with men who actually deserve their love
I don't understand this obsession with "men deserving love" that americans have. The literal point of yanderes are extreme obsession without any logical reason. A guy can't "deserve" a yandere just because he's whatever the fuck you have on your mind, probably some variation of gigachad.

[Anonymous No.22858777]

>>22858435
>>22858449
>>22858469
>>22858479
>>22858482
>>22858534
>>22858571
>>22858576
>>22858640
>>22858667
>>22858687
>>22858707
>>22858722
>>22858769
Sneed

[Anonymous No.22858785]

>Sauronman is an agent of Sauron
>Grimliar Eviltongue is le deceptive
>Bartenderman Bitterbeer runs the tavern
Bravo Hackson

[Anonymous No.22858791]

>>22858777
based....

[Anonymous No.22858803]

>>22858708
She herself gets gangraped by mercenaries while her husband is getting abused by her rival.
>>22858724
>>22858724
Unironically that's a plot point, Rohan feels he cheated on Sioned because he actually enjoyed some of it, she raped him several times so he was pretty literally mindbroken for almost 100 pages

[Anonymous No.22858807]

>>22858769
A yandere is the perfect woman, so she should be matched with someone equally charming. I don't understand this obsession with pairing angels with monkeys that Jews have.

[Anonymous No.22858811]

>>22858803
>She herself gets gangraped by mercenaries while her husband is getting abused by her rival.
To be honest, I should have expected that.

[Anonymous No.22858826]

>>22858811
You can't spell 20th century feminist fantasy without rape but the gangrape is just a "fade to black" scene, the reverse rape is a bit more graphic

[Anonymous No.22858843]

>>22858826
Enough for me to tick the "yup, rape" box
I left the Vorkosigan Saga at the first book because it was clearly just an elaborate rape fantasy

[Anonymous No.22858868]

>>22858725
> bend over buddy

[Anonymous No.22858979]

Male on female rape scenes makes me hard.

[Anonymous No.22859007]

>>22858696
>no Chinese author will ever publish an alternate timeline or near future story where the CCP does not exist or else was defeated by its enemies
oh no what a tragedy for the arts

[Anonymous No.22859013]

>>22859007
wumao hands seethed this post

[Anonymous No.22859043]

>>22858673
What do you read fantasy for?

[Anonymous No.22859054]

>>22858696
>Likewise, no speculation of technology or science can occur which casts aspersions on current Chinese society
literally every published+translated modern chinese novel does this, it's why the yankkkees bother to get them translated in the first place

[Anonymous No.22859065]

>>22859013
>he said the w word
shut it down

[Anonymous No.22859081]

>>22858576
nigga you can't, he used AI to write the story. AI didn't write the entire story off a single prompt

[Anonymous No.22859155]

>>22857555
awesome. who is the artist

[Anonymous No.22859162]

Finished reading Worm. Setting aside the extremely cringe racial commentary, it was an overall tolerable read.

[Anonymous No.22859165]

>get to questing vow
>remember I'm not playing Repanse or Alberic
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.22859265]

>>22859162
>Setting aside the extremely cringe racial commentary, it was an overall tolerable read.
I don't remember the story touching on race in any way but cursory. It's been a couple years since I reread it though.

[Anonymous No.22859296]

>>22859155
checked. artificial intelligence!

[Anonymous No.22859306]

>>22859265
>don't remember the story touching on race in any way but cursory
...How exactly do you miss one of the early major factions being a White Supremacist organisation, with ensuing cringe commentary?

[Anonymous No.22859471]

>white pride = bad
>any other ethnic pride = good
Another one of those threads, eh /sffg/? The Great Ordeal grinds on...

[Anonymous No.22859477]

>>22858469
>Pretty sure AI could crank out a Wolfe clone at this point
AI fags are absolutely delusional. Have you even read any novels made with AI? They're fucking garbage.

[Anonymous No.22859498]

Does anything live up to the prologue of the darkness that comes before?

[Anonymous No.22859499]

>>22859471
It's the exact opposite here, though.

[Anonymous No.22859512]

My setting can't have humans, I've tried so hard to make them work, even as half components of cyborgs, there's no reason why you would keep flesh in the far future. This makes it super unrelatable to most people, any advice? Sure, human looking might be a decent percentage but there's no way to keep flesh viable, not even for fashionable reasons. Ironically, another species on earth now uplifted has all the reason to still exist.

HARD SCI FI TROUBLES
Do you think people could relate to full on robots? Would you?

[Anonymous No.22859526]

>>22859512
This is like saying there's no point in chimpanzees because humans are better.

[Anonymous No.22859546]

>>22859526
More like what happened to neanderthals. Sure, a component or two, mental or physical could be based on those far far far far distant, human "ancestors" but I doubt you'd be making them still.

[Anonymous No.22859554]

>>22859546
Someone writing sci-fi should understand that animals evolved to survive, and they won't lose that instinct and will to survive just because you point out there's something superior to them.

[Anonymous No.22859562]

>>22859554
Logically speaking, it's not about choice.
It's enforced by time and pressures, dinosaurs became birds. Some species die out, others adapt. A generation ship sent out versus a Neumann probe? Who has the better odds?

[Anonymous No.22859568]

>>22859562
>A generation ship
I'd rather hear a story about these.
>Who has the better odds?
Maybe it's a sad story.

[Anonymous No.22859584]

>>22859568
>>22859562
Actually, I just remembered once reading this story about an artificial intelligence that survived on a destroyed earth after a war with aliens drove humanity into extinction, and I really liked it, so a story about Neumann probe might be very interesting too. It was a very human AI, though.

[Anonymous No.22859590]

>>22859296
no

[Anonymous No.22859593]

>>22859584
I think I know the one you're talking about.
Thanks for the replies btw

[Anonymous No.22859596]

>>22859512
>Would you?
no but i would still read it
in house of suns there's a race of robots that take (perfect) humanoid forms when among the humans even though they're superior to them

[Anonymous No.22859612]

>>22858407
Probably another chink fraud advertising for their AI company using this as shock value.

>Holy Chik

[Anonymous No.22859613]

>>22859554
Nah, boring. "Evolution" has been done to death. There are plenty of other better theories to write fiction about.

[Anonymous No.22859627]

>>22858534
Warbreaker

[Anonymous No.22859634]

>>22859613
>There are plenty of other better theories to write fiction about:

>Panspermia:
This hypothesis suggests that life exists throughout the Universe and is distributed by space dust, meteoroids, asteroids, comets, planetoids, or potentially by spacecraft in the form of unintended contamination by microorganisms. Panspermia does not explain how life originated, but suggests that it could have spread from one planet to another.

>Abiogenesis:
Unlike evolution, which describes how life changes over time, abiogenesis is the theory about how life first arose from non-living matter. It suggests that life on Earth began through natural processes from inorganic substances, eventually leading to the formation of cells.

>RNA World Hypothesis:
This is a widely accepted hypothesis in scientific circles that suggests that before DNA and proteins, early life was based on RNA. It posits that self-replicating RNA molecules played a crucial role in the early evolution of life.

>Directed Panspermia:
This is a variation of the panspermia hypothesis, suggesting that life on Earth might have been purposely seeded by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. This idea borders on both science and science fiction and has been a topic of debate and discussion.

>Clay Hypothesis:
Some scientists have proposed that complex organic molecules may have formed on the surfaces of clay minerals on primitive Earth. The theory suggests that these surfaces could provide the right environment for the formation of life.

>Deep-Sea Vent Theory:
This theory suggests that life might have begun at hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor, where mineral-laden water provides a rich chemical environment in which life could begin.

>Electric Spark Hypothesis:
This idea is based on the famous Miller-Urey experiment, which demonstrated that organic compounds necessary for life could be synthesized from inorganic materials under conditions simulating those of early Earth, including the presence of an electric spark, simulating lightning.

[Anonymous No.22859648]

>>22859634
>Spontaneous Generation:
This is an ancient belief that life can spontaneously emerge from non-living matter. It was a prevalent idea before the development of modern biology and was disproved by experiments such as those conducted by Louis Pasteur in the 19th century.

>Lamarckism:
Proposed by Jean-Baptiste Lamarck in the early 19th century, this theory suggested that organisms can pass on traits acquired during their lifetime to their offspring. For example, a giraffe stretching its neck to reach leaves would then give birth to offspring with longer necks. This idea has been largely discredited in favor of Darwinian evolution.

>Orthogenesis:
Also known as "straight-line evolution," this theory proposed that evolution follows a predetermined or fixed path, driven by some internal or external "force" rather than natural selection. It suggests a sort of directed evolution, which is inconsistent with the random mutations and natural selection of Darwinian theory.

>Vitalism:
This is the belief that living organisms are fundamentally different from non-living entities because they contain some non-physical element or are governed by different principles than inanimate things. While not a theory of the origin of life per se, it challenges the idea that life can be fully explained by physical and chemical processes alone.

>Creationism and Intelligent Design:
These are religiously motivated views that propose life was created by a divine being or intelligent designer. While these are not scientific theories (as they cannot be tested or falsified), they are commonly cited in opposition to evolutionary theory.

>Cosmic Ancestry:
This is a modern version of panspermia, which suggests that life, or the precursors of life, came from outer space and that life on Earth is descended from this extraterrestrial life. Unlike standard panspermia, it sometimes incorporates the notion that the evolution of life is influenced or directed by an external cosmic force or intelligence.

>Hoyle's Fallacy:
Proposed by astronomer Fred Hoyle, it's the idea that the probability of life evolving on Earth is comparable to the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard would assemble a Boeing 747. This argument, often used against the likelihood of evolution, has been widely criticized and debunked by scientists.

[Anonymous No.22859667]

>>22859554
>He thinks scifi is about science
Lol lmao even

[Anonymous No.22859669]

>>22859627
Good book.

[Anonymous No.22859682]

>>22859554
>animals evolved to survive
False. They survived because they evolved.

[Anonymous No.22859691]

>>22859512
Explain why mechanical constructs are better than bio organisms.

[Anonymous No.22859713]

>>22859512
>Do you think people could relate to full on robots? Would you?
No. Wheres the drama? You cant have different characters or personalities, opinions or goals. Would one robot think differently from another? No. You would have to leave SOMETHING human behind. The brain? Or if flesh is completely off the table, the Soul?

[Anonymous No.22859716]

>>22859691
Soft and squishy

[Anonymous No.22859730]

>>22859716
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.22859731]

>>22859713
>Would one robot think differently from another? No
why not

[Anonymous No.22859735]

>>22859691
Speed of improvement and iterations, sheer numbers, flexibility. It's simply faster to get it out there, fixed, improved. Are you going to train 500 astronauts or print the same probe 500 times? Should they carry astronauts or just print more of themselves when they arrive? Who can communicate faster and better? Two guys talking or two robots sharing information?
>>22859713
They probably would. Think of self learning in what we call AI now, nothing like actual AI but think of that. I see no reason why other than printing the same model (even then you want divergence) why would any given robot need to think the same.
Print a literal army of the same guy with shifted values and you can get innovation going on. Maybe a certain AI works better with another than just themselves (for your own criteria)

[Anonymous No.22859741]

>>22859713
Even dumb AI with the same goal would have conflict with another copy of themselves, they're not really the same guy the same way I wouldn't be my twin or clone.
Tell them, Maximize production of whatever
I could see two going different ways about it and clashing with another over it.
And this is just with the could happen in the near future, not bringing fiction and characters into it. I don't see why robots would need to think the same.

[Anonymous No.22859751]

Of all modern fantasy writers Sanderson is easily my favorite.
And don't get me wrong, Sanders isn't really special at all and you miss nothing if you don't read Sanderson books.
But with Sanderson it's basically a cult you are "joining" and a very unique experience.
Sanderson's writing is the definition of "mid" and he wouldn't write about a porn scene, even if you hold a gun to his head.
But this is why Sanderson is so successful. His success is literally just being more consistent than his competition
>easy to read writing style
>he ACTUALLY FINISHES HIS BOOKS!!! (just look at GRRM or Rothfuss. You get cucked since 2011... Hell, don't be surprised if Sanderson finishes GRRM's sixth and seventh book...)
>you always get new books from Sanderson
>because he has no porn writing, you actually read his books for the story and not just to read the next creampie scene
>he is so large, that you can chose between a lot of different physical versions
>he actually promises something and DELIVERS

Sure, Sanderson is full with faults and everything he does is nothing special in itself. But reading his books is like talking to an old friend who was always there for you, even though he is nothing special.

The biggest advantage of Sanderson is simply that he isn't a sjw. Sure, the moment he starts talking about politics or religion his books are shitting themselves and you can skip the next 20 pages, but he is still very old school and a nice person in general.

Sanderson is also one of the few authors I can actually read from start to finish without dropping the book. I dropped 1984, I dropped Lolita, I dropped to many other books that were recommended, because I simply don't like the writing style. Especially Lolita is a book that is all about one specific theme and the whole hype would be gone if she would have been just 18 years old. The same with 1984. The moment you ignore the whole "the state is watching you" meme, it become a boring drag that just stagnates after the first few pages.

It's insane how Sanderson makes me to continue reading. Especially garbage like this other shilled dude here is something I instantly dropped. I couldn't take more than 40 pages of reading some over-complicated writing with the only goal to pretend that "I'm so smart". If I want to read very boring and tedious written garbage, I would just pull out law books.
It's insane how so many writers don't understand that no one gives a fuck about your copy pasted grammar or very uncommon words. People want to read a story and not a repetition of the 1000 least used words and grammar in literature.

[Anonymous No.22859804]

>>22859498
What, where the little boy gets raped?
Yeah, I can think of a few better prologues.

[Anonymous No.22859808]

>>22858407
Love slopping my stories' characters on a whim for free, boys.

[Anonymous No.22859810]

>>22859808
>for free
lol. it's at the cost of your dignity as a human being.

[Anonymous No.22859825]

>>22859735
>>22859741
Ok. In the context of a compelling story, if they're programmed differently with the same ultimate goal in mind, then sure dramatic conflicts will arise, just like human stories. I guess the author would have to arbitrarily deoptimize the robots by having them speak English to be relatable to the reader. Which is fine. Or have dialogue that suggests opposing logics.
And as for personality and opinions I dont know enough about your setting. Who is doing the printing and programming of these robots? Human or a Godbot or purely accidental techno-evolution. Maybe theyre intentionally programmed with differences to account for every possible outcome, and even redundancies.
So, overall I guess the answer to the OP question "Do you think people could relate to full on robots?", the answer is yes, if you write them like humans.

[Anonymous No.22859831]

>>22858571
Modern shit. Read classical works instead.

[Anonymous No.22859847]

A girl recommended me to read a novel by
Alexandra Bracken. Should I ignore her? I do not trust a woman who writes YA.

[Anonymous No.22859853]

>>22859847
just fuck her. then during post-coital vape talk ro her about the cliffnotes you read earlier that day

[Anonymous No.22859872]

One day soon I'm going to get a new shelf and organize it but I'd say right now the majority if sci fi and fantasy

[Anonymous No.22859875]

>>22859808
How do you do it? I'd like to make portraits of my characters but I'm a poorfag.

[Anonymous No.22859879]

>>22859512
Might be interesting (depending on you obviously). If everyone is a robot can explore more forbidden themes consequence. Example; the same way Samurai Jack is allowed to show gore and dismemberment to kids because they are robots, you could write racial/gender analogies of superior robots being objectively better at certain tasks than the lesser robots - regardless of how or why they have superior programming.

[Anonymous No.22859883]

>>22859875
you just describe them? have you not used dall-e?

[Anonymous No.22859884]

>>22859872
fascinated by the idea of someone actually reading a florio book

[Anonymous No.22859891]

>>22859883
Not really no. The art style of that one looked way better than anything I've ever seen from there

[Anonymous No.22859894]

>>22859891
yeah you can describe the artstyle as well "high detailed illustration, intricate ink lines, ukiyo-e style" etc...

[Anonymous No.22859898]

>>22859894
Cool, thank you. Is there a list of options or guide somewhere for terms to use?

[Anonymous No.22859910]

>>22859898
its not like a code, just basic english, but yes there are lists of keywords that people have had success with. they usually just boil down to knowing art related words.

[Anonymous No.22859947]

This is truly the Great Ordeal

>>22859847
Just send her my way bro

[Anonymous No.22859950]

>>22859898
My dude, do you even read?
Like, at some point you might picked up words for styles or genres from anywhere.

[Anonymous No.22859955]

>>22859751
>Sure, the moment he starts talking about politics or religion his books are shitting themselves and you can skip the next 20 pages, but he is still very old school and a nice person in general.
does he proselytize for mormonism?

[Anonymous No.22859959]

>>22859955
Yes, all of the heroes in Sanderson novels are allegories for Joseph Smith

[Anonymous No.22859975]

>>22859872
>capeshit

[Anonymous No.22859982]

>>22859883
i have used it to make planet but when i have used it to make characters they never come out looking like what i want them to look like or i get blocked and i'm not sure if i should be outsourcing my imagination to ai i don't think it would be good for me in the long run

[Anonymous No.22859983]

>>22859950
rude cunt

[Anonymous No.22860013]

are there any fantasy books with a setting inspired by mesoamerica?

[Anonymous No.22860075]

>>22859054
>yankkkees
God, I wish that were so

[Anonymous No.22860256]

>>22860013
Stone Dance of the Chameleon
Maztica Trilogy (tfw no brown gf...)

[Anonymous No.22860298]

>>22858469
>>22858479
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>>22858687
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>>22858979
>>22859265
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>>22859648
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>>22859751
>>22859804
>>22859847
>>22859959
>>22860013
>>22860256
Great post anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good??!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good??? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?

[Anonymous No.22860316]

>>22859872
up your shelf game, get one on FB marketplace or something

[Anonymous No.22860344]

>>22859872
based shelf bro

[Anonymous No.22860349]

>>22859872
>capeshit novels exist

[Anonymous No.22860350]

>>22857642
In the scene, Mazrim Taim with a couple of Asha-man barge in on a meeting that Elayne is having. As soon as they enter the room, Elayne opens herself to a link, and the three other girls immediately slip into the link. Merilille first. It was remarked how easy and quick Merilille linked up. So not only is she adept enough to make a link in a second, she's also sharp enough to decide on making the link in a second.
In fact, not only is it noted how quickly the power users acted. It's also noted how every women quickly shifted to wield their respective weapons in a concealed manner.

Mazrim was already aware they embraced the source, and told his men to be at ease. Mistakenly believing only 2 women held it, when 4 did. They talk a while about this and that issue. Then another person barges in the room to call Elayne to her appointment. And the whole situations plays out with Elayne undressing in front of everyone. If Taim was going to take issue with channeling by that point, and a mere screen to keep Elayne modest, it would be very odd of him.

And no, I'm not overthinking things. I'm being forced to explain what *should* be obvious to the oblivious.

[Anonymous No.22860351]

>>22859810
As long as you're not trying to use it commercially, what's the harm?

[Anonymous No.22860363]

Why is Ambercrombie so bad?

[Anonymous No.22860369]

>>22859975
>>22860349
What do you think sci-fi/fantasy is?

[Anonymous No.22860371]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.22860373]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

[Anonymous No.22860391]

>>22860363
What has been up to lately? Any new books since he finished his last trilogy?

[Anonymous No.22860397]

>>22860371
>>22860373
samefag

[Anonymous No.22860428]

>>22860371
>Reverend Insanity = Literally about an a-moral bugman killing/consooming/cultivating
>Lord of The Mysteries = Boring asian steampunk with a tarot magic system for card fags and some magic items thrown in for variety.
>Neuromancer = Decent cyberspunk i'm putting together a team novel
>Hyperion = Interplanetary high tech trooning
>The Prince of Nothing = Bakker is for fags and fags are for Bakker.
>The Wandering Inn = Stay at home moms power fantasy with a main character whos most prominent power is complaining while being a pacivist.
>Between Two Fires = Heaven Vs hell but in medievil FRANCE!
>Mother of Learning = Time loop and like all of the subgenre goes literally nowhere over and over again, has a decent magic system and a main characters sister that is annoying as fuck.
>Cradle = Every second novel is a dud in the series with a birdbath of a main character. Only decent thing is the fights that get stale real quick because it does not take long to realize they are all ill conceived magical games of uno.
>I Shall Seal the Heavens = Proto xianxia at its worst, MC gets kidnapped into strong but lowly down on its luck sect. Queue haughty young masters, saving face and swilling ginseng infused tiger penis soup by the gallon.
>A Song of Ice and Fire = Fantastical medieval degeneracy where the caracters who should live die and the characters who should die live. Also author is too busy getting fat and old to finish the series.
>The Poppy War = Fem-C gets accepted to 20th century china-esque martial academy and gets looked down upon while struggling to overcome amidst pseudo researched equally vintage china political bullshit.

[Anonymous No.22860430]

>>22860373
>Azarinth Healer = Starts good but fizzles hard midway. Author also makes the main character a low key lesbian because they clearly have no idea hat to do with their love life.
>Primal Hunter = MC+background is so impossibly nonsensical that he's not even cannon in his own setting.
>He Who Fights with Monsters = every character that isnt the MC is just there to be amazed at how smart Jason is while he tells them shit they already know before reminding them (incorrectly i might add) that 'Oh you have no idea".
>Dungeon Crawler Carl = The MC's sidekick (A cat named 'Princess Donut') is so much smarter than Carl (the MC) that every scene the two are in is eye-gougingly painful. This would not be so much of a problem if such scenes did not constitute the majority of the series.
>System Universe = After the initial premise is established it turns into how to pander to followers at a snails pace AKA; 'Filler McFiller Face - The Excessively Extended Sleep Inducing Saga'.
>Dissonance = MC gets god fucked more then once as he goes about becoming a man/bear/goat/pig/axolotl hybrid who also has many super sekret identities.
>Defiance of the Fall = Brain dead MC with very-much-just-barely opposed kingdom building with a wafer thin cultivation system
>Iron Prince = edgy school setting with even edgier MC who has lightning powers and no discernible challenges what so ever.

[Anonymous No.22860434]

>>22860428
most of your reductionisms imply you havent even read the books youre critiquing

[Anonymous No.22860435]

>>22860428
>Lord of The Mysteries = Boring asian steampunk with a tarot magic system for card fags and some magic items thrown in for variety.
You could at the very least correct this, no?
https://lord-of-mysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Pathways

[Anonymous No.22860441]

>>22860369
based kino literature for intellectual connoisseurs

[Anonymous No.22860442]

>>22860428
>Lord of The Mysteries = Boring asian steampunk with a tarot magic system for card fags and some magic items thrown in for variety.
You could at the very least correct this, no?
https://lordofthemysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Pathways

[Anonymous No.22860452]

>>22860435
I'll be honest, i really didn't make it through much of that one before bailing as it didn't engage me and the rundown was the information i gleaned before i did.
In the interest of fairness (not to the recommendation spammer) i'm willing to add things pertinent to magic systems and such so as to remain factual. So the link you posted implies there is classes based off achievements or crafting if i'm reading it right?

[Anonymous No.22860456]

books with this feeling?

[Anonymous No.22860458]

>>22860452
That was the wrong link, I reposted the correct one. The first one is obsolete.

[Anonymous No.22860483]

>>22860458
>https://lordofthemysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Pathways
"A Pathway, or Path of the Divine, corresponds to a series of 10 named potion formulas that give access to supernatural and mystical powers. Once a being has drunk a potion, they are said to have become a Beyonder of that pathway. Each pathway belongs to a group containing one or more neighboring pathways, which a Beyonder can safely switch within at High-Sequence. At the end of each pathway, only one Beyonder can attain divinity and become the unique True God of that pathway. "

So it's actually a potion based class system that actually has nothing to do with the tarot scene at the beginning?

[Anonymous No.22860494]

>>22860483
Yeah, that's an entirely different thing. It has nothing to do with the power system.
https://lordofthemysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Tarot_Club

[Anonymous No.22860496]

How do orcs communicate with humans? I never read LoTR

[Anonymous No.22860512]

>>22860496
speaking

[Anonymous No.22860513]

>>22860494
>Lord of The Mysteries = Hard to into asian steampunk with potion based class acquisition, achievement and crafting progression with un-lockable magical items AND sekret tarot organizations because it wasn't already confusing enough.

Sound about right ?

[Anonymous No.22860528]

>>22860496
vocal cords

[Anonymous No.22860531]

>>22860513
Oversimplified, and it isn't really hard to get into. But okay.

[Anonymous No.22860533]

>>22860512
>>22860528
I mean they just have human language programmed into them or are there orc language teachers or what?

[Anonymous No.22860536]

>>22860513
Lord of the Mysteries is about lies and uncovering true history, or one might say mystery.

[Anonymous No.22860558]

>Reading the American edition of Last and First Men
>The Foreword literally suggests you skip the first 4 parts (roughly 25% of the book)
Do Americans really?

[Anonymous No.22860607]

>>22860558
>implying the first book in a series doesn't have all its information restated in the sequel books

[Anonymous No.22860665]

>>22860607
It's a standalone.

[Anonymous No.22860704]

>>22859735
Okay sure but what use would spreading out to the stars even be if nothing human survives the process?

[Anonymous No.22860731]

>>22860531
Thank you for your assistance fren.
>>22860536
See when you try to sell it to me like that i want to read it.

But this is an excerpt from the first chapter;

"Why would I suddenly have such an excruciating headache in the middle of the night?

And it’s really painful!

Could it be something like a cerebral hemorrhage?

F**k, don’t tell me I’m going to die young?

I need to wake up! Now!

Eh? Why doesn’t it seem to hurt as much as before? But why does it still feel like a blunt knife is slicing through my brains…

From the looks of it, sleep is impossible. How am I to show up for work tomorrow?

Why am I still thinking about work? This is some authentic headache. Of course I have to take time off! I don’t have to worry about my manager’s grumblings!

Hey, putting it that way, it doesn’t seem too bad. Hehe, I can end up getting some spare time for myself!

Throbbing pain inundated Zhou Mingrui, allowing him to slowly accumulate immaterial strength until he was finally able to move his back and open his eyes. He finally broke free from his reverie."

I get it's a translation and have delved into more then a few bad translations of Korean, Japanese, Chinese even Philipino works in pursuit of novel entertainment. More often then not the above monologuing is a hallmark of a character who espouses the obvious frequently throughout the novel(which annoys me to no end). I stuck with it a few more chapters and yeah the writing (or translation) didn't improve. I'm glad you found a novel you enjoy and that you feel so passionate about it, also sorry that i cannot share your enthusiasm.

[Anonymous No.22860841]

>almost done The Unholy Consult
>Likaro status: FORGIVEN

[Anonymous No.22860868]

I finally gave Pale Lights a try after letting the chapters build up. Strangely compelling. ErraticErrata has clearly improved on his first book's flaws.

[Anonymous No.22860906]

>>22860841
GREAT ORDEAL STATUS: FAILED

[Anonymous No.22860925]

>>22859872
grim shelf, this

[Anonymous No.22861091]

>>22860731
>"Why would I suddenly have such an excruciating headache in the middle of the night?

>And it’s really painful!
You fags read this shit?

Willingly?

[Anonymous No.22861095]

>>22861091
It's a bad translation. The world-building is top notch. The sequel has a better translation, with the French and everything. Circle of Inevitability

[Anonymous No.22861101]

>>22860428
>>Mother of Learning = Time loop and like all of the subgenre goes literally nowhere over and over again
That's generally the point of the genre investigating a loop with many dead ends until you find the way through. I can understand not liking it.
>has a decent magic system
I'd honestly say it's just okay, and I like the series.

>and a main characters sister that is annoying as fuck.
As are all little sisters.

[Anonymous No.22861130]

>>22860731
>But this is an excerpt from the first chapter;
Jesus fucking christ above

[Anonymous No.22861204]

Any one else in here reading the Mech Touch, besides me.
Really enjoying it.

[Anonymous No.22861223]

Just finished The Unholy Consult, Bakkerbros. Im trying to make sense of the ending. So: Kellhus' descent into madness is completed when he witnesses The Inverse Fire, then he becomes fully possessed by Ajokli so that Ajpkli can turn the world into a pseudo-hell. Kelmomas' motivations and actions are unseen by the gods because he possesses a soul that is of the Outside in his dead twin, he kills Kellhus' physical body, then gets shoved into that coffin and transforms into the No-God. Mimara and Acha's baby is born, Mimara sees Kellhus' soul with the Eye and lnows instantly that he is Ajokli. Serwe dies, Sorweel becomes le ebin White Luck Warrior but doesnt really do shit as Kelmomas spots him as he did with the previous one. I struggled to understand Cnaiür's conclusion, though. Which seems to imply that he was also possessed by Ajokli, or that when Kellhus' body died, Ajokli then possessed him? apologies for the wall of text

[Anonymous No.22861225]

>>22861204
>Reading AI description
>"Oh, so it's Battletech basically? Interesting, I think I'll-"
>RPG elements

[Anonymous No.22861262]

>>22861225
>>RPG elements
What explains the popularity of this genre? Is it autism?

[Anonymous No.22861267]

>LAST READ
>CURRENTLY READING
>NEXT READ

[Anonymous No.22861269]

>>22861267
>LAST READ
See >>22861223
>CURRENTLY READING
Plato's Meno
>NEXT READ
Probably a few Aickman short stories, or maybe Burning Chrome by William Gibson.

[Anonymous No.22861277]

>>22861267
>Last
Between Two Fires
>Current
The First Crusade: A New History
>Next
Memoirs of Hadrian

[Anonymous No.22861293]

>>22861223
When Kellhus descends into the crowd at the end and Mimara sees him for what he is, that's the reactivated No-God disguised by the same tekne that the Mutilated used to hide themselves before Ajokli/Kellhus saw through it. Mimara is the only one who can see the truth right before the whirlwind starts to form. Kellhus is dead, killed because while he was possessed by Ajokli he was blinded to Kelmomas's presence, and when Kellhus the man spots his son, it breaks the possession and allows the nearest skin spy to touch him with the trinket. Since Kellhus is dead, Ajokli looks for his soul to devour it, but cannot find it. He possesses Cnaiur and walks into the whirlwind, right at the No God, because he literally cannot see it. He'd screaming for Kellhus's soul, which implies Kell had found a way to cheat death, likely due to the Decapitants. I hope some of this helps.

[Anonymous No.22861299]

>>22861293
>>22861223
NO-GOD BOOK 1 FUCKING WHEN

[Anonymous No.22861313]

>>22861299
Welcome to the slog of slogs, brother.

[Anonymous No.22861332]

>>22861313
Sorweel bros.... our response?

[Anonymous No.22861345]

[Anonymous No.22861404]

I've read that Bakker's primary fiction influences were Dune and Tolkien's Middle-Earth. Is anybody aware of other fantasy works that have influenced him? I know his primary area of interest is philosophy, but surely the guy has read and liked other fantasy fiction aside from the two most famous worlds in the genre.

[Anonymous No.22861412]

>>22861262
The only people I know IRL who read RPGlit slop are all extreme number autists, so probably yes

[Anonymous No.22861414]

>>22861404
Well Cnaiur is definitely a Conan expy, at least in broad strokes. Other than that, look around for some of Bakker's interviews.

[Anonymous No.22861443]

>>22860013
this but mespotamia

[Anonymous No.22861470]

>>22861414
>I wrote The Prince of Nothing and The Aspect-Emperor for two kinds of fantasy readers: those who love believing in secondary fantasy worlds, and those who think they have ‘outgrown’ the genre. Over and above that, they’re dark, violent, cerebral and genuinely controversial. I’m beginning to think they have a real shot at becoming ‘classics.’
>at becoming 'classics'
lmao okay Scotty

[Anonymous No.22861578]

>>22861267
>last
House of Chains - Erikson
>Current
The Dirty Streets of Heaven - Williams
>Next
Either Midnight Tides or Happy Hour in Hell

Not certain which yet since I'm still kind of annoyed about the intentional anti climax of the Tavore/Felisin storyline all these weeks later lmao

[Anonymous No.22861657]

Bought Asimov's Caliban today without realising after I purchased it is not actually written by Asimov himself but takes place in his universe. Tell me more hardcore Asimov fans, is it worth the read? Plot sounds Helland interesting but not so sure how I feel about reading fanfiction. I also got Robot Dreams too

Favourite Asimov short story?

[Anonymous No.22861718]

>>22859306
I don't remember any cringe commentary. The story doesn't go out of its way to preach about race. The white supremacists are mostly approached in a manner more nuanced than "racism bad". The story kinda assumes the reader understands that.

[Anonymous No.22861740]

>>22861225
Actually the RPG elements drop off pretty hard after the first three or so arcs.
Its not litRPG nonsense if thats your worry, he doesn't have skills as in abilites he can use, nor does he focus on self improvement or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.22861741]

>>22861657
>>22861470
>>22861414
>>22861404
>>22861313
>>22861293
>>22861223
>>22860841
>>22860731
>>22860430
>>22860428
>>22860373
>>22860371
see >>22860298

[Anonymous No.22861744]

>>22861741
Why expend the effort, anon?

[Anonymous No.22861750]

>>22860397
We got Einstein here

[Anonymous No.22861762]

>...6 months has passed since then
so nothing happened during the 6 month period of training or w/e the reason author decided to skip so much time

[Anonymous No.22861767]

>>22861740
>actually the XNDFBA(UDBE drop off pretty hard after the first THREE OR SO arcs
lmfao like I'd care. dumbass. that's at least three whole damn arcs I'd have to read before it lets off the gay shit.

[Anonymous No.22861922]

>>22861267
cathedral (it's not sffg but i don't care, and it was great)
alice in wonderland
i don¡t know actually, my list is empty

[Anonymous No.22862015]

>>22861767
Fine then, be a faggot.

[Anonymous No.22862021]

>>22861762
Do you expect the story to tediously follow every single waking moment of the main character? Or else do you expect every single moment of his life to be so noteworthy it must be chronicled in detail?

It's normal for stories to skip time to get to interesting moments. Ordinarily though you'd at least write a brief summary about the stuff you skipped, not just go "so anyway six months later".

[Anonymous No.22862039]

>>22861267
>LAST READ
Elantris by Brandon Sanderson. Pretty great novel, and his first one surprisingly, so I think he's actually gotten worse over time since a lot of his more recent stuff wasn't nearly this fun.
>CURRENTLY READING
The Desert Spear, book 2 of the Demon Cycle, by Peter V. Brett. Sequel to the Warded Man, I had an anon tell me he found this book a pain, but I'm enjoying it a lot right now. Jardir is a pretty compelling antagonist character.
>NEXT READ
Probably start the Age of the Five trilogy by Trudi Canavan. I managed to get the whole set in mass market paperback at a used book store the other day for under $10 total.

[Anonymous No.22862042]

>>22861578
>Not certain which yet since I'm still kind of annoyed about the intentional anti climax of the Tavore/Felisin storyline
Midnight Tides is my favorite book in the entire series, if that motivates you at all.

[Anonymous No.22862073]

>>22858407
We made it Malazanchads!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt47AFFIZuU

[Anonymous No.22862079]

>>22861262
>What explains the popularity of this genre? Is it autism?
Yes, absolutely. Many autists struggle with abstraction / metaphor so a lot of them take video game mechanics extremely literally. So where a normal person understands that video game mechanics are an abstraction used to represent things in a quantifiable way for the sake of gameplay, autists take it completely at face value and believe those abstractions are actually concrete aspects of the game world.

So in other words, for autists fantasy / sci-fi settings where people have UI floating in front of their face and modifiable stat blocks and leveling systems makes perfect sense because that is how they have understood sci-fi / fantasy stuff through games up til now.

[Anonymous No.22862095]

>>22862039
Elantris 2 and 3 will be out in some years.

[Anonymous No.22862117]

>>22862039
grim taste

[Anonymous No.22862127]

>>22862095
I'd heard, but we'll see if he can restrain himself writing them. Feel like anymore his books are so bloated with unnecessary fluff. You look at his older stuff like Elantris and Mistborn and it's surprising how fast the story moves without hundreds of pages of flashbacks, one-off character interludes, and unnecessary PoV switching.

[Anonymous No.22862136]

>>22862117
What have you read recently?

[Anonymous No.22862164]

>>22862136
>>22861269

[Anonymous No.22862261]

>>22862079
>Many autists
There is no such thing irl. Autism at least the 4chan autism isn't real. There are people who have genuine mental developmental problems but they require constant 24 hour care and they obviously don't read (because they are capable of it)

[Anonymous No.22862304]

>>22862261
Autism is a spectrum, shitlord. 4channers identifying as autists is VALID.

[Anonymous No.22862322]

>>22862261
It's a spectrum you fucking faggot. You're a golem who forms his entire world view based off what media tells you.

[Anonymous No.22862381]

>>22862261
Nigger

[Anonymous No.22862424]

>>22862322
>>22862304
The whole autism is a spectrum thing is what the media always says, though.

[Anonymous No.22862462]

>>22862042
I've heard good things about MT from a few others I just needed a good palette cleanser after HoC and now since I'm enjoying Bobby Dollar enough I might have to finish the second and third before I get back to Malazan. I'm certain I'll be finished with the rest of main series and maybe a few ICE side novels by the end of 2024.

[Anonymous No.22862538]

Reading this one now

[Anonymous No.22862573]

>>22862261
Autism is very real, and it's one of the reasons it can be maddening talking to people on this website. High functioning autistics don't qualify for disability because their autism doesn't render them totally incapable of caring for themselves or participating in society, but it does frequently make them totally friendless due to causing obnoxious behavior.

[Anonymous No.22862587]

>>22858407
how do i get into genreshit? is there a chart?

[Anonymous No.22862589]

>>22862587
Start with Odyssey. End with Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22862604]

>>22862587
Idk read something easy from like Brandosando for fantasy or maybe something like John Scalzi's Old Man's War, they aren't the pinnacle of genre fiction but they're easy enough to read and pretty interesting

[Anonymous No.22862612]

>>22862587
wh40k lore books

[Anonymous No.22862614]

>>22862587
Read
>>22862538

[Anonymous No.22862653]

>>22862587
Probably stop thinking of it as "genreshit" for a start. I don't really know how to advise beyond that because getting into fantasy and sci-fi was as natural to me as breathing, I've been reading it for the vast majority of my life and have never had a problem enjoying it.

[Anonymous No.22862672]

>>22862587
>calling it genreshit
You're trying to sound smart and like fantasy is beneath you, but you can't even click a very obvious link in the OP to find the charts you're requesting.

[Anonymous No.22862688]

>>22862672
The only people who think in terms of "genre" versus "literature" as some clearly delineated and agreed upon categories are people who believe what marketing and teachers tell them.

[Anonymous No.22862689]

>>22862587
I think I started with this chart when I first came here looking for stuff to read.
The charts in the OP are decent if you use common sense.

[Anonymous No.22862692]

>>22862304
>>22862322
>>22862381
>>22862573
lol why do you people even care so much? It's not like you have autism (which doesn't exist in most cases except the people who are genuinely mentally disabled)

[Anonymous No.22862727]

>>22862692
Current estimates are that 1 in 36 in the US have some form of autism. That's 2.8%. Males are much more likely to be autistic. 4chan is male dominated, mostly US, and attracts autistic anons and the mentally ill in general. I wouldn't be surprised if 10% or more of all 4chan users were.

[Anonymous No.22862731]

>>22862692
There is a world of difference between a low-functioning nonverbal autist and a high-functioning autist who has trouble socializing, and even then there are functional autists who do and do not have self-awareness.

[Anonymous No.22862735]

>>22862538
what happened to your thumb

[Anonymous No.22862753]

>>22862689
I thought most people here liked tigana

[Anonymous No.22862757]

>>22862689
Good stuff in there but the ranking is fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.22862780]

>>22862735
I have psoriasis ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ

[Anonymous No.22862799]

>>22862780
He meant your short finger nail on your clubbed thumb. Which is caused by lack of oxygen. You have heart issues. Possibly sleep apnea.

[Anonymous No.22862808]

>>22862587
Just start with David Eddings.

[Anonymous No.22862811]

>>22862672
>very obvious link
i need a chart for the chart link, i went to the 4chan_lit folder and only found weird pdfs that looked like self-published e-zines and not much else

[Anonymous No.22862845]

>>22862612
DUDE, EPIC LORE VIDS, SOOOOOO BASED
FOR THE EMPEROR!! ROCK ONN BORTHER lml

[Anonymous No.22862854]

>>22862811
Book folder then Science Fiction fantasy or just use: https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

[Anonymous No.22862885]

>>22862808
This, Eddings is the best entry point.
Fair warning: You are probably going to fall in love with Mommy Polgara

[Anonymous No.22862923]

>>22862885
Gay. Ce'Nedra is obviously the best girl.

[Anonymous No.22862960]

>>22862538
I have that same edition. It's a good book

[Anonymous No.22862986]

>>22862845
you can do this about anything

[Anonymous No.22863024]

>>22862986
So?

[Anonymous No.22863026]

>>22862808
I don't know how people can stand Eddings
He had maybe two books in him and then he just mixed and matched them to produce the rest of his oeuvre

[Anonymous No.22863103]

>>22862689
>Zelazny in great
>Peake in okay
>elric in shit
Grim list.

[Anonymous No.22863176]

>>22862923
Anon, she's like 15 in belgariad, Malloreon Ce'Nedra is hot tho

[Anonymous No.22863234]

>>22862808
Cringe garbage writing child abuser. Fuck him and fuck you.

[Anonymous No.22863259]

>>22863234
Chill out redditor, he served his time.

[Anonymous No.22863262]

Heinlein Chads stay winning

[Anonymous No.22863321]

If there is one word Bakker likes more than 'phallus', it's probably 'incredulity'

[Anonymous No.22863339]

>>22863321
Kind of like GRRM is obsessed with calling everything a mummer's farce. I'm sure there were even more grating repetitions but it's been a while (read: more than a decade) since I read any GRRM

[Anonymous No.22863373]

Lest we forget.

[Anonymous No.22863483]

I need some fantasy where magic users actually fuck shit up. Malazan did it right with mages actually being feared and going all dbz on each other. I suppose Dying Earth too with how wild the spells are

[Anonymous No.22863486]

>>22862021
I kind of at least expect something of note to be happening during that period of time and want to know what sort of progress or regress is being made
it pretty much solidifies with author being lazy later in the story and asspulls knowledge during crucial moments from that period of time

[Anonymous No.22863488]

Fun read solid 4/5, the mystery ended up being a bit disappointing in the end but I throughly enjoyed the journey getting there. I did think the romance between Bobby and Caz was kind of random and the two very detailed chapters of them fucking made my think Tad was writing with one hand under the table. I want to see more of the Wigger Garcia and Foxy Foxy, idk but for side characters they absolutely made whatever chapters they were in. Would recommend if you're looking for something short to break up a long series you're reading.

[Anonymous No.22863612]

https://web.archive.org/web/20040113221814/http://www.locusmag.com/SFAwards/Db/LocusAT1998.html
>The Stand
>fantasy

[Anonymous No.22863624]

Hack.

[Anonymous No.22863687]

>>22862799
Naw that's the camera angle, crazy how my doctor never caught that but some random fag on lit thinks he's smarter than he is... get outside more friend

[Anonymous No.22863712]

>>22860013
Black Sun - Roanhorse

[Anonymous No.22863717]

>>22862689
Whoever made this is fucking terrified of sex lol, half of the bottom tier is just books that aren't afraid to explore plot and themes by using it.

[Anonymous No.22863723]

Yo this nigga's short horror stories do be bussin fr, does I Am Legend stand up alongside them?

[Anonymous No.22863743]

>>22860350
Not the anon who you're responding to, but you're definitely overthinking that scene.
The wise ones set that up to be embarrassing for Elayne intentionally, she knows that, she mentions it later. Elayne also has control of the circle, so she's the only one who can do anything with it while they're linked. Elayne doesn't erect a screen because that would defeat the point of the ritual hazing the wise ones are subjecting her to. The end. That's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.22863752]

[Anonymous No.22863810]

>>22861267
>Non-stop Brian Aldiss
>Abhorsen Garth Nix
>? probably some YA shit to bump up my Goodreads kill count maybe Visser or some Bruce Coville

[Anonymous No.22863823]

Two friends have brought this book up in the past two days. Is it a coincidence or is it actually good?

[Anonymous No.22863833]

>>22863687
Anon... literally all your fingers are clubbed. You're not well.

[Anonymous No.22863837]

>>22863823
it's gender bent Eragon.

[Anonymous No.22863850]

>>22863810
>Non-stop Brian Aldiss
What did you think of this anon? I feel like it's the kind of book that really benefits from a second read through but I haven't actually bothered to do it yet.

[Anonymous No.22863886]

>>22863833
Dawg... I'm 6' 4" and in super good shape with normal fingers lol... try harder mane ... I'm just here for some book recs but now I also want you to feel bad about yourself because you will forever be a pathetic small manlet and die that way

[Anonymous No.22863907]

>>22863823
An anon commented on it somewhat recently and it sounded like generic chicklit with a fantasy veneer

[Anonymous No.22863935]

>>22863886
But you just mentioned "your doctor". Did you not know that the average young man visits a doctor precisely 0 times between the ages of 20 and 30? You obviously are sick. You know that you're sick. I'm merely telling you that you're more sick than you think.

Your short ring finger, by the way, is also a sign of low testosterone levels. You should get those checked too.

[Anonymous No.22863946]

>>22861267
Not /lit/ but I was reading kill six billion demons which isn't even that good and bemoaning how boring most fantasy settings are recently.
Also a bunch more shitty webnovels, really don't think it's worth continuing to dig for gold there. Dunno why it's so hard to right a 'progression fantasy' style story that doesn't suck.

Currently reading Dragonclaw, wanted to read about witch protagonists and this was one of the only fantasy stories I found during my initial search. Too early to comment.

Next is either trying more witch stuff or probably moving onto something entirely new. I think I've exhausted webnovels now so I might go back to published new releases next year or maybe genre classics. Maybe Anubis Gates.

[Anonymous No.22864018]

>>22863935
Yes but I visit my doctor often ... you're regurgitating some autistic fact you picked up try harder faggot get some pussy or something

[Anonymous No.22864051]

>>22864018
>my anecdotal rebuttal uhhhh get sum pussy!!
go back to grindr you flaming homo you and that other guy are both literally retarded

[Anonymous No.22864059]

>>22863946
>not /lit/
This is /sffg/. Of course it is not /lit/.

[Anonymous No.22864150]

>>22862689
i love dune

[Anonymous No.22864410]

I watched the first episode of the way of choices TV show and it has major spoilers before it gets to the contents of the book. Sad!

[Anonymous No.22864447]

>>22864051
Look man I'm just here for some book recommendations ... stop projecting faggot

[Anonymous No.22864452]

>>22864447
>b-buh projection!!!
spew your buzzwords elsewhere underage newfag

[Anonymous No.22864475]

>>22864452
very ironic post

[Anonymous No.22864512]

>>22864475
get some pussy, faggot nigger lol

[Anonymous No.22864519]

i'll settle this. both of you list your last completed book. who ever wins is the loser

[Anonymous No.22864614]

>>22863321
He uses the word "slog" which is a good description for The Judging Eye.

[Anonymous No.22864630]

>>22864614
the great ordeal more like the great slog!

[Anonymous No.22864658]

Is Sev the Outsider? I'm losing interest fast

[Anonymous No.22864701]

>>22864658
TO is older than Sev

[Anonymous No.22864720]

>>22862727
It's a nonsense that american doctors diagnose to make people feel better (it's not your fault you are a complete looser in life, it's just autism lol), that and also to sell more medications

>>22862731
That is not autism.

[Anonymous No.22864741]

>>22864720
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.22864860]

>>22864720
>Looser
ESL detected. Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.22864954]

>>22864741
Why? Why do you care about my opinion or about the clearly fake 'autistic' people?

[Anonymous No.22865501]

How to into Clive Barker?

[Anonymous No.22865586]

is there a chapter by chapter summary of the warrior prophet? I got bored at some point and don't remember where I stopped

[Anonymous No.22865588]

>>22863717
>terrified of sex
>Wolfe
>Bakker
>Neuromancer

[Anonymous No.22865620]

>>22865588
rape and a bit of heterosexuality doesn't really impact my point when it's such a recurring theme at the bottom
Lanark's the closest thing to an actual exception

[The Bungalow House No.22865695]

The Bungalow House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fteka44kbY

[Anonymous No.22865705]

>>22863723
Not sure how much horror it actually is but I Am Legend is a very good book regardless.

[Anonymous No.22865708]

>>22858449
It's probably CCP propaganda desu.

[Anonymous No.22865780]

>>22865586
restart

[Anonymous No.22865783]

>>22863946
I think it's pretty good by webcomic standards

[Anonymous No.22865841]

>>22865501
Books of Blood lad

[Anonymous No.22865846]

>>22865586
Try The Second Apocalypse wiki.

[Anonymous No.22865894]

why are the aliens in 3 body problem more advanced than humans when they have their planet wiped clean of life every now and then?
aren't they a younger race than humans?

[Anonymous No.22865922]

>>22865894
did you not read the book???

[Anonymous No.22865933]

>>22865922
I read it and I'm on the next one. their development level is impressive and yet they're still astounded by the human civilization potential and are afraid of getting wrecked in turn.
It makes no sense, they're far better than humans at civilisation and probably will stay like that even if they leave humans to develop science.
this is a plot hole

[Anonymous No.22865944]

went to barnes & noble to try to buy some books for christmas for friends because amazon couldn't ship fast enough... Scifi had one tiny section. I was looking for Red Rising and Player of Games. Couldn't find Red Rising, but all of the other books from the series were there fully stocked lol.. Idk if people just bought it out or they didn't have any copies? Given the sixth one came out recently I would think they would have a lot of them. Then, with regard to Banks, they only had Look To Windward and Inversions, two of his more eclectic books...

Oddly enough, they had a ton of Anne Leckie books who I thought was less known than Pierce Brown??? Isn't Pierce Brown SUPER mainstream??

Also, they weirdly had a TON of Asimov's books, like his whole bibliography was there for sale.

Anyways I ended up coming away with nothing since I already ordered Anne Leckie's latest book off of amazon for myself.

[Anonymous No.22865953]

>>22865933
the trisolarian's observation is that humanity's technology seems to expand at an exponential rate rather than a linear one, so while during the first books humanity is behind them, they need to block physics development to stem the growth to ensure that they can conquer humanity, rather than arriving at earth after their long voyage and finding some powerful fleet of super advanced ships.

They're older than humanity, and their thinking/culture is far less malleable than humanity. Despite the planet getting wiped by the suns, they are still more advanced given their age as a civilization.

Enjoy book two and three though, they're fun reads

[Anonymous No.22866058]

can you have some FUCKING respect for people that haven't read the book you're discussing and use spoiler tags properly

[Anonymous No.22866080]

>>22866058
If you don't like spoilers, just forget them.

[Anonymous No.22866081]

>>22865783
It's good by comic standards but it's way too heavy on the setup imo
Still it's a cool setting which has really been my main takeaway, I'd love to read more stuff that just goes for it like that but Senlin Ascends is the only recent fantasy I can think of that does that whilst still being normal fantasy instead of horror like the vorrh or similar works

[Anonymous No.22866120]

>>22866058
the message the aliens send spoils this part anyway so you didn't get spoiled

[Anonymous No.22866195]

>>22866058
You will learn about how the great ordeal failed and you will like it

[Anonymous No.22866221]

>>22866058
Great Ordeal status: I agree, but posting stuff like this just feeds the trolls, anon

[Anonymous No.22866243]

>pride this pride that
No, I don't wanna know that a guy being better at something hurts your fragile pride, protagonist-kun. Fucking hack authors can't stop writing this shit

[Anonymous No.22866254]

>>22866058
sorry for spoiling the first chapter of the first book, retard.

[Anonymous No.22866318]

Winds of Winter announcement on Christmas morning tomorrow

You heard it here first bros

[Anonymous No.22866358]

Are there irl forbidden tomes that send you insane?

[Anonymous No.22866421]

Best alien invasion novels?

[Anonymous No.22866439]

> Volume 9 Ending + Epilogue dropped
TWI bros, we keep winning

[Anonymous No.22866473]

>>22866421
Call of Cthulhu

[Anonymous No.22866499]

>>22858435
Nobody made it to his part of the series, based Short Sun anon.

[Anonymous No.22866551]

The best poem in the 20th century, inspiring Clark Ashton Smith, Lovecraft, Ligotti, modernists, and postmodernists alike...
https://theotherpages.org/poems/part2/sterling02.html

[Anonymous No.22866593]

>>22866551
Nice cover. This poem has been on my PTR for a while now, but I always end up just sitting down with Poe, Longfellow, or Shakespeare instead. Gotta get around to it sometime.

[Anonymous No.22866624]

>>22866593
lovely pic

[Anonymous No.22866760]

>>22858534
mages Blood

dad sells his pajeet daughter so she can marriy an old wizard who wants to sire some offspring

[Anonymous No.22866820]

>>22866593
What's PTR

[Anonymous No.22866891]

>>22866820
Pygmies To Ream

[Anonymous No.22866938]

>>22866820
Plan to Read (list)

[Anonymous No.22866977]

>>22866820
Public test realm

[Anonymous No.22866979]

>>22866820
Penetrate the Rear

[Anonymous No.22866988]

>>22858534
>Male lead being forced to marry someone
Paul Atreides
>trying to adapt to a new culture
Fremen

[Anonymous No.22867070]

>>22866820
Phallus-to-rape

[Anonymous No.22867074]

>>22867070
This is Kellhus btfo'ing Proyas, while they dine on sumptuous Meat? Who is the girl damned below?

[Anonymous No.22867100]

Not too fond of how the Covenant of Steel trilogy ended. Ryan still hasn't written a better book than Blood Song.

[Anonymous No.22867126]

>reddit comment chain
you guys are very uncool.

[Anonymous No.22867156]

>>22864701
aww man
does he show up at all?
might have to take a break if he's gonna take a while to make an appearance

[Anonymous No.22867164]

>>22867156
He shows up only as a young boy sending a message. I don't know why you are making these questions if you haven't finished it yet.

[Anonymous No.22867171]

>>22867126
>comment
Do you even know where you are thoughever?

[Anonymous No.22867178]

>>22867164
I like sev but if he's not in litany of the long sun imma read something else

[Anonymous No.22867265]

>>22860013
Saga of the borderlands by Liliana Bodoc

[Anonymous No.22867277]

Are any of the DnD books good?

I want something on that vein

[Anonymous No.22867284]

>>22867277
salvatore is a competent writer

[Anonymous No.22867294]

>>22867277
Someone posted a list of them before
>>22837902

[Anonymous No.22867366]

>>22867277
Broken Sword inspired DnD and is better than any Tolkiendrone slop. Read that instead of media tie in novels.

[Anonymous No.22867408]

based thougher

[Anonymous No.22867467]

This Christmas, I hope Bakkerfag finally receives the help that he needs for his severe and crippling autism.

[Anonymous No.22867516]

>>22867467
Only help he needs is a swift kick in the ass and a swirly for being such a repulsive nerd.

[Anonymous No.22867524]

>>22863717
It's the Bakkerschizo. He frequently edits charts made by other people to insert bakker some place high up on the chart, but not at the top, because he imagines this makes it "less obvious", when nobody but him would ever even include bakker on any kind of chart to begin with.

[Anonymous No.22867526]

>>22867467
"Bakker" is actually pronounced "baker" but retards don't realise that.
Bakker is 6'4" and chews tobacco daily; he's a massive guy from the rugged wastelands of the prairie. Say one word wrong to him, and he'll have you hogtied on the back of his truck, driving straight to Simco so he can use you as mulch for his "tobaccy yields, ay," pissing on your charnel mound and spray cropping with his massive fucking mangled cock, crossed between a dagger and a big white-and-pink python

[Anonymous No.22867535]

>>22867516
If by swirly, you mean the spin from the bore of a rifle then I do agree my fellow book reader.

[Anonymous No.22867612]

Did you guys hear about the Great Ordeal?

[Anonymous No.22867618]

Jolenta wanted the BTC

[Anonymous No.22867624]

Esmenet's butt!

[Anonymous No.22867664]

>>22867277
Cugel.

[Anonymous No.22867696]

>>22860373
is anything in this genre actually good
Even judging it as a modern version of pulp the stuff I've tried hasn't been any good

[Anonymous No.22867750]

Sex with Esmenet!

[Anonymous No.22867879]

>>22866421
footfall

[Anonymous No.22867886]

>>22867879
I think you mean Firefall

[Anonymous No.22867911]

>>22867696
Of course not

[Anonymous No.22868079]

Esmenet's sweaty armpits after a long steamy day of whoring!

[Anonymous No.22868445]

>>22867074
serwe

[Anonymous No.22868515]

>>22868445
Somebody needs to put a wojak Second Negotiant in the face of one of the Decapitants somehow

[Anonymous No.22868609]

Brittany!

[Anonymous No.22868630]

new
>>22868629
>>22868629
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