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[Anonymous No.22823068]

Correct order for reading Nietzsche? Let's hear it.

[Anonymous No.22823091]

>>22823068
More anons obsessing over the reading order of Nietzsche and putting more time into charts and curriculums than actually reading. Just lol lol

[Anonymous No.22823106]

>>22823068
I usually start on the first page and keep going until I've read the last page

[Anonymous No.22823125]

>>22823068
Chart:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhilosophyMemes/comments/hz5lba/where_to_start_with_nietszche/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[Anonymous No.22823167]

>>22823125
ty

[Anonymous No.22823188]

>>22823125
>reddit
disregard this

[Anonymous No.22823192]

>be me eight hours ago
>watching smallville, clark kent is literally me
>clark is carrying a copy of the portable nietzsche
>develop newfound interest in reading nietzsche
>start doing preliminary googling
>’nietzsche is known as a severe critic of german idealism’
>develop interest in reading german idealism to better understand nietzsche and become clark kent
>’one must read kant, fichte, schelling, and hegel in that order to fully understand german idealism’
>wow this is a lot of work
>see on reddit that schopenhauer and kierkegaard are also recommended
>they look cool so i don’t mind
>kant looks complicated, google what I need to understand him
>’one should read descartes, spinoza, locke, liebniz, berkley and hume in that order before kant’
>wtf?
>consult 4chan archives
>discover /lit/ philosophy wiki and accompanying philosophy google doc
>’you need to start with the greeks’
>create comically large reading list combining wiki and doc together
>realise i’ve created 100+ book reading list of primary and secondary sources
>start reading pdf on the philosophy of heraclitus
>cry

[Anonymous No.22823232]

>>22823068
1) Also sprach Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.22823444]

>>22823068
the only correct reading order is to read anything but Zarathustra first

[Anonymous No.22823562]

>>22823068
"The Greek State" then in this >>22823125 order

[Anonymous No.22823598]

How should I know? I stopped at schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.22823601]

>>22823068
Start with Wagner. Art and Revolution and Beethoven at the bare minimum. Most of the ideas in TBOT come from Wagner, the title is a quotation from the Beethoven essay. Otherwise you wont know where Nietzsche is coming from or the historical context of his art and ideas. There's a reason Nietzsche discusses Wagner in almost all of his works.

>With this book I have stepped into a new Ring
>Finally, if I am not completely mistaken about my future, it is through me that the best part of the Wagnerian enterprise will live on—and that’s what is almost droll about the affair.
>I am better now and I even believe that Wagner's death was the most substantial relief that could have been given me just now. It was hard for six years to have to be the opponent of the man one had most reverenced on earth, and my constitution is not sufficiently coarse for such a position. After all it was Wagner grown senile whom I was forced to resist; as to the genuine Wagner, I shall yet attempt to become in a great measure his heir (as I have often assured Fräulein Malvida, though she would not believe it).
>It's already beginning, what I prophesied for a long time, that in many pieces I will be R.W.'s heir.—
- Nietzsche while writing Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.22823604]

>>22823601
>In “Art and Revolution,” Wagner associates Apollo with the perfection of the male form, the ordered harmony of Greek architecture, and the swinging rhythm of music. In passing, Wagner comments that Dionysus inspires the tragic poet as he brings forth drama under Apollo’s gaze. A synergy of the two is implied. Hanging in Tribschen was a watercolor of Bonaventura Genelli’s neoclassical painting Bacchus Among the Muses; Nietzsche thought of the picture as he worked on his book. In 1871, Wagner told Nietzsche that the painting, The Birth of Tragedy, and his own work came together in a “remarkable, even miraculous connection.”

[Anonymous No.22823609]

>>22823601
>Nietzsche while writing Zarathustra
Didn't he write it in just 10 days?

[Anonymous No.22823611]

>>22823609
No, I have no idea where you got that idea. He wrote it over many years.

[Anonymous No.22823620]

I dunno about books, that shit's for fags. This lecture series by Raymond Geuss is really good though.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtjwQ74cM2RyEqslIeAzFwV3SrUuwaNtA

[Anonymous No.22823622]

>>22823604
>What Hegel asserted concerning art-that it had lost its power to be the definite fashioner and preserver of the absolute-Nietzsche recognized to be the case with the "highest values," religion, morality, and philosophy: the lack of creative force and cohesion in grounding man's historical existence upon beings as a whole. Whereas for Hegel it was art-in contrast to religion, morality, and philosophy-that fell victim to nihilism and became a thing of the past, something nonactual, for Nietzsche art is to be pursued as the countermovement. In spite of Nietzsche's essential departure from Wagner, we see in this an outgrowth of the Wagnerian will to the "collective artwork." Whereas for Hegel art as a thing of the past became an object of the highest speculative knowledge, so that Hegel's aesthetics assumed the shape of a metaphysics of spirit, Nietzsche's meditation on art becomes a "physiology of art."
- Heidegger

[Anonymous No.22823624]

>>22823609
>>22823611
IIRC it was long periods of contemplation interspersed by hammering out each part very quickly. Might have been ten days writing each part or ten total days weiting.

[Anonymous No.22823717]

>>22823444
I googled it and I saw some redditor say this.
So anyway, I started with zarathustra

[Anonymous No.22823723]

>>22823717
alright pseud

[Anonymous No.22823748]

>>22823723
Your are the the pseud, nietzsche never intended for you to have to read everything else he wrote first, and why do you stop there anyway, what about reading the rest of the germans first, what about homer, the greeks and presocratics?

[Anonymous No.22823751]

>>22823748
>nietzsche never intended for you to have to read everything else he wrote first
incorrect
pseud statement

>b-b-but where does he say this?!?
not gonna tell you pseud
just know that he did
and that you're a pseud

[Anonymous No.22823756]

>>22823751
>y-you have to read bg&e first, h-he said so, e-even though he wrote it after

[Anonymous No.22823759]

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[Anonymous No.22823763]

Liking nietzsche is peak pseud